The 4000th post. Another milestone on this comprehensive and hugely valuable threadPosted by Wade Frazier (here)
Here is post 4,000 to this thread...
Following one of the links you responded with,”Hi Melinda:
Class systems began with civilization and will become obsolete with FE. Almost nobody can really imagine it today, but nobody could imagine the end of slavery, either, before the Industrial Revolution began.
I have been fortunate to see the erosion of class systems in my lifetime. You live in the land of pubs, where the class system's roots are deep. During Dennis's amazing adventures, he got to see how the USA' s Eastern Oligarchy acted, as they tried to be like English lords...”
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#class
it was great to see you sum it up so succinctly :
and further down :“6. As further discussed below, elites will become obsolete, as will ideas of rich, poor, and middle class. Elites appeared with civilization, and they will disappear with the arrival of FE, which is largely why they have been preventing FE's public dissemination.”
Sometimes I think people hit a block with this understanding. They try and imagine equality and focus on tangents, such as the fact that people are not all born with equal abilities, and some possess natural leadership qualities that can contribute positively to the organisation of groups. But those things are not the issue. Getting to the stage where we have economic equality and high standards of education is the issue (as I see it.) In an FE future, people will have the time and tools to run far more aspects of their own lives with a much higher standard of living.“Instead of ruling in hell, elites will become regular members of something that resembles heaven on Earth.“
It’s true, I do live in a country where the class system roots run deep. Sometimes I feel a sense of disbelief when I hear people defend the support of a monarchy with tax revenue, because they say it’s ‘good for tourism.’ But as you so often point out, the long-term difference that an FE infrastructure can facilitate is too revolutionary for many people to apply.
Further down the link you’ve posted was another neat summation, about the nature of cities (rooted in energy use.) Last week I began sketching out a post about the disappearance of cities with FE, but it needs a lot of editing. Hopefully I can post it soon. Plenty to get into. Not saying I’ll do the best job, but I find writing a useful way to challenge my own perspective, and the prospect of losing cities got the cogs of my brain going.
Thank you for still being here, for a 4000th post.