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    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

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    Hi:

    I don’t want to sound too much like a broken record, but lately I have been getting hit with questions like,

    “Let’s build an FE machine in our garage.”

    “My community is having energy problems. What can we do locally to solve our energy problems?”

    “I saw a documentary on how the electric car was suppressed. How can they do that?”

    And this is not from forums like Avalon, but people in my daily life. It seems to be my fate to constantly field such questions. At this time, there are no local FE solutions feasible on Earth. The forces arrayed against FE appearing on the scene, Godzilla by no means the only obstacle, ensure that no local effort can succeed. There is no place on the planet to hide and do it. If a hundred saints and a thousand almost-saints got together someplace with unity of purpose, then yes, it might have a prayer, but I have never heard of such a gathering. Stuff like TED is show business for the elites, not even remotely close to having the right stuff to begin such an effort.

    Those are all square one questions. My goal, when I get the conversation going, is to take it far above those introductory questions. We will see how it goes.

    Best,

    Wade
    The window motor on the driver's-side door of my car is broken - no energy flowing through it - can you fix it for me?

    hehehehehe Yes, Wade, I suspect you'll always get questions from everyone, from mundane to sophisticated, related or merely tangential to the encyclopaedic subject of "energy", but that are not within your goals. You got where you are after decades of deep thought and experience, (and some traumatic experience) - there's no way for most to catch-up, but those who are sincere can catch-on. At least people are recognizing you as "an energy guy", and the world will be a better place if they get directed to educational material by you, rather than someone with low integrity or a lack of understanding of the scarcity gambit.

    Many in the world are burning twigs or dung for energy, wondering only if they will find more twigs and dung tomorrow. Many flip the light switch and don't think about the myriad ramifications of the energy scarcity game at all, and may never - until and unless they are heavily, negatively, personally impacted.

    Perhaps you could produce a pamphlet-sized cluster of paragraphs that succinctly encapsulates the current state of energy energy paradigm change impasse, and point those folks to further reading. If they refuse to even read that, suggest that they may want to change the batteries in their TV remote control, and walk away. Your mission must not be diluted or sidetracked.

    Love ya, bro!

    Dennis


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    It seems to me that life evolving to the stage of Free Energy is the required step to get out of the away of another mass extinction

    Once free energy is publicly available and used properly it will truly unlock our evolution as a species in cooperation with the environment (and not at the expense of it), but a mass extinction event will become very unlikely if not impossible.

    I can hardly wait to get to the human part of the story

    I've been watching some Star Trek lately and there is something I cannot wrap my mind around. Obviously the various races and wars of conquest in the series are a reflection of the current state of affairs on Earth, but projected at the Federation Level. But what I am wondering is: are galactic wars really a possibility? To travel that far would imply that you have discovered Free Energy, and with Free Energy there is no competition. Why would you wage war then? It's unbelievable in the show how different factions are ready to start a major scale war over a tiny planet when there are so many planets out there! And the idea of borders and the neutral zone seems so ridiculous (Reminds me of someone saying that this is like dogs pissing around to mark their turf). I highly doubt that this is the way you conduct yourself as a galactic race, even thought there is a lot of material here on Avalon and elsewhere, suggesting that "space wars" are in fact a reality... How far do you need to go until you get it that you don't need to make war any longer!?

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    Hi Dennis and Ilie:

    It is a pleasure to hear from you both on the same day. Damn, Dennis, your former picture made you look like one of the Beach Boys playing a tune, and you current one is an example of what choirboys look like when they go gray. You write and appear almost too wholesome for words.

    Thanks for the suggestion. I have tried to meet new readers halfway, in several of my more recent essays:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm

    I may do more in that direction one day, but after I lay that big egg of an essay. One of my friends, who was a star Silva instructor, told me about what Jose did in his public work. He basically repeated a few key Silva Method ideas to his audience, the vast majority of whom had never even heard of meditation. His public work was a constant drumbeat of the most basic ideas, introducing people to ideas that were completely new to them. He demonstrated the patience of Job. It was undoubtedly good work, but I shudder to think that it ends up being my fate on the FE issue, repeating Square One ideas all day long.

    As you know, I am trying to raise the energy conversation to a level where the energy issue will be understood to be so central to the human journey, and the potential of abundant clean energy so monumental, that people will continue to think about it, discuss it at a high level, and if enough people can keep their eye on the ball, it may catalyze something. Even if it does not, it will be a discussion that really has not happened before. It should interesting, if nothing else.

    Hi Ilie:

    I was watching a video of Uncle Noam recently, and he said that he doubted that we would wipe ourselves out as a species in the near future, but that we could make it so bad that many of us would wish we were dead. Peter Ward thinks that if we keep on burning prodigious amounts of hydrocarbons until we use up all the oil, coal and other fossil-based hydrocarbons, at around 1,000 PPM of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, we could well trigger a catastrophe where we get a Canfield Ocean and hydrogen sulfide event, wipe out the ozone layer or some other such joy, and truly make Earth inhabitable.

    Ward’s theories, like many on the cutting edge of the multidisciplinary synthesis that has been forming in recent years between climate scientists and paleobiologists, are subject to a great deal of debate. But what is not deniable is that the past 500 million years has seen more than a dozen mass extinction events that were likely brought on by chemical imbalances that had various authors, some of which were life itself, such as the Great Oxygenation Event. What is also undeniable is that no animal has ever altered Earth’s surface and atmosphere as abruptly as humans have, and the final outcome, if we go about our lives with no more foresight than cyanobacteria do, may be catastrophic, of the ecosphere-threatening variety. Scientists already call the Age of Man the sixth great extinction event:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn5

    If we take a mystical view of the galactic situation, for those on the dark path:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

    there can never be enough power over others, and the darkest of the dark all want to be the Emperor of the Universe. On this planet, if you meet everybody’s immediate material needs, such as food, clothing, and shelter, and meet minimum social infrastructure needs such as communication, transportation and education, so that everybody could live like Bill Gates does today (easy with FE and attendant suppressed technologies that exist today, not even thinking about the stuff that makes this world feasible: http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1), you would likely not get many, if anybody, to salute flags and march off to war, to satisfy the evil proclivities of the dark pathers. If they held a war, nobody would show up. That world would look so different than today’s world that people have a hard time even imagining it. So, yes, there have likely been interstellar wars, as insane as that might seem. Some may seem reasonable, such as home planets becoming uninhabitable, and just a few star systems over is a suitable planet, if they just wipe out the aboriginal inhabitants first. I would not be surprised to learn that galactic versions of what the Europeans did to the American Indian:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#before

    have played out in the past, if planets or star systems lost their inhabitability, through just “nature” or species-level stupidity. But if FE was done wisely, that should not have been an issue. I really think that harnessing FE and rising to an enlightened perspective are connected, not the least of which is my suspicion that the ZPF may be divine in nature.

    More to write, but time to go play husband.

    Love and peace,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    OK, a little more this morning on the life narrative. As I have mentioned on my site writings and on this thread, the effects of scarcity can be insidious. When studying the history of science, and I mean going back to the Greeks, the pioneers often suffered greatly at the hands of their “peers,” as all the new breakthroughs challenged the orthodoxies of the day. Religion is the same way; Jesus and Buddha were radicals, challenging the hegemony of the religious establishment. In fact, in a world of scarcity, all areas of human endeavor are that way, as everybody digs in, as they hang their hats on what feeds them. The battles can be bitter. The history of medicine is filled with it:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#real

    and the purer sciences are far from immune. In Peter Ward’s books, he writes very engagingly about life as a scientist. His field work gave him many Indiana Jones moments, one of which crippled him, as he got the bends when trying to save an assistant who passed out 200-feet down. Close encounters with hungry bears and sharks, falling off of cliffs as he hunted fossils, almost being decapitated by helicopter blades as he was unloaded onto a remote island, and many other adventures attended his fieldwork over his storied career. But it sometimes seemed that the biggest dangers came from his colleagues, as they battled over their pet theories.

    Ward is far from alone in writing about the battles that scientists have. The truth can get trampled as scientists vie for priority. Getting papers published, winning awards, and having their theories become the new orthodoxy means promotions, funding, and comfy emeritus years in pipe-smoking splendor. And when you get into anthropology, you are also dealing with the collective human ego, so there can even be more distortion. In Almost Chimpanzee, there is a great quote from Victoria Horner, a researcher on chimpanzee culture, who said:

    “In anthropological terms culture is the human niche. These things are so exclusive from the get go. If we want to understand our place in the animal kingdom, we need to understand that the chimp/human border is so slim. Culture is just the next step. At what point are people going to give in and say, ‘Yes, we are apes’? And be able to handle that? Darwin’s famous quote is that it’s a difference of degree, not of kind. People are just hell-bent on it being a difference of kind.”

    Horner’s quote lays bare one of the common and ingrained conceits of anthropology. So, we get the bias of humanity’s egocentric self-image, reinforced by religious tales (humans given dominion over Earth in Genesis), nationalistic tales (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#weems ), and so on. White Science at least has the ideal of being able to independently reproduce results. And the findings of many disciplines have been coming together in my lifetime, and they have interlocked to form robust datasets that are not easily challenged. One example is carbon dioxide levels over the ages. The latest data was developed by chemical sampling of strata layers and computer modeling. After the data was published, it was confirmed by studies of fossil stomata. Plants develop more stomata in lower carbon dioxide conditions. Absolute radioactive dating has points of alignment with observed dynamics happening today, such as the “snail trail” of mountains left in the wake of the hot spot that gave birth to the Hawaiian Islands:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiia...seamount_chain

    If we are aware of the limits of science, which people such as Carl Sagan were often oblivious to:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#sagan

    it has many valid things to say within its framework, and while scarcity and the human ego have been formidable obstacles in the quest for truth, at least digging for fossils has not yet yielded billion-dollar offers to stop digging:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#radar

    Studying ancient fossils is fairly free of the vested interests that dominate the world economy:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#_edn2

    so, it is one of the purer sciences. But it still always pays to be wary. With those caveats, let’s continue.

    When oxygen levels crashed in the Devonian Extinction Event:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Devonian_extinction

    carbon dioxide levels were some fifteen times higher than today’s. It was a hot world, although an ice age had ended sixty million years previously:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean-Saharan

    Ice ages sequester oceans on land, and the sea levels fall. The rising and falling oceans had dramatic effects on weathering (removing carbon from the atmosphere by the granite-to-sand-and-limestone dynamic mentioned earlier https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post523971 ), creating shallow seas for life form havens, and then draining them; those dynamics had large effects on life and evolution.

    After the Devonian mass extinction, those new life forms, trees, took over. That new polymer, lignin, did not biodegrade, and it formed the coal deposits that we are burning today.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboni...Rocks_and_coal

    There was an interplay happening with ice sheets, the variable sea level, the increased weathering and sequestering carbon in the forming coal beds, and it led to an unprecedented outcome: a radical increase in oxygen levels. Oxygen levels may have reached 35% in the Carboniferous Period, which has never been achieved since. In fact, today’s oxygen levels are likely the highest that they have been since that high-oxygen era.

    The larger the animal, the safer it is from predation, which is thought to be at least partly why animals grew large. At the end of the Cambrian Period, in the oceans, there was an arms race between the shelled animals, with shells up to thirty feet long. Now that animals were moving onto land, and oxygen levels skyrocketed due to that confluence of events, something appeared on the scene that has not been seen since: gigantic insects and other creatures, some seemingly out of arachnophobic nightmares:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboni..._invertebrates

    with fifty-pound, three-foot-long scorpions and amphibians that were nearly twenty feet long:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous#Tetrapods

    The swamps of the Carboniferous Period were something to behold, a completely alien world, suitable to the exotic planets that Captain Picard and his crew might visit. During the Carboniferous Period, which lasted about sixty million years, carbon dioxide levels eventually crashed to modern levels, about 300 million years ago, which began the Permian Period.

    During that period of skyrocketing oxygen levels, reptiles first appeared about 320 million years ago. They were a marked divergence from their amphibian ancestors, with different reproductive strategies, and they were able to make a break from water that would set the stage for their future dominance. But the biggest extinction that we know of lied ahead, and I will get to that soon, but I have to rush off to work. More later.

    Best,

    Wade
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    So many twists and turns in the evolution of this planet. it seems like every few hundreth milion of years something new appears out of nowhere : ) either, a different condition to the earth atmosphere, a new component that help tree's grow to a height or a new species appear like the reptiles. Where does it all come from, is what I would like to know. is it a random devlopment resulting from the conditions of the surface or are those conditions the result of something more sophisticated? God has all the answers, but god's presence yet needs to be lab proved : ) and if it's up to our scientists, preferably with some personal measurments :-) well, I hope a little teasing do no harm.

    Wade, why do you feel that ancient fossils study is not forming any threat to those who would like to limit our knowledge? is it because there is no money risks involved?

    Ilie, I resonate with your passing thoughts about the galactic wars, well, it might be naive of us to think that we have invented the wheel.

    Wars between planets are sure to exist, our current earth situation is probably a result of one of those. Marduk, Enky and Enlil simply brought here what already existed somewhere else, but that is probably another subject for a different discussion thread. if free energy exists and implemented, and life is not revolved around scarcity to its various kinds, than what are the battles about? It is about ego, control domination and ownership.

    It could have been nice if those were in scarcity! It seems that spirituall evolvment is always the answer, and those kind of worlds are there as well. galactic wars have nothing to do with weapons, it probably has a great deal to do with mind control. battles via the mind. mind is the greatest weapon, the greatest creator and the greatest destroyer, and we earthlings, are only beggining to find out about it. but, yes, it will be nice to get to know a spiritually evolved physical place on our realm that will be an example for us. we are probably not inventing the wheel on this one as well


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    Quote Originally posted by Wade Frazier: "The mystical student generally learns that all the various life forms that have inhabited Earth had a purpose of existence, and it was the development of consciousness. Mystical sources say that there are not human souls, nor dog souls, nor frog souls, but souls that choose to express themselves as those species. Michael says that even atoms have personalities"
    I have recently watched a google video - "The illusion of reality" By Professor Jim Al-Khalili, at the end of it, he says pretty much the same thing , using different words:

    " what fascinating to me is that, although, we've learned an incredible amount of our atoms and their behaviour, our scientific journey has only just began, because, although we know how a single atom or just a few atoms behave, the way trillions of them come together in concert to create the world around us, it is still largely a mystery.

    To give you one dramatic example: the atoms that make up my body are identical to the atoms in the rocks, the trees, the air, even the stars. and yet, they come together to create a conscious being who can ask this question :
    What is an atom?

    Explaining all that is surely the next great challenge in science".



    Blessings,

    ~^&*~^&*

    Limor
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    Hi:

    During the Carboniferous Period, when the coal beds were laid down, great swamps dominated the ecosystems. The high oxygen would have encouraged forest fires in those new ecosystems called forests. The swampiness helped keep fires down. Ward argues in his Out of Thin Air that without the high oxygen of the Carboniferous Period, sea animals would not have been able to colonize land. Part of that to do with the many adaptations needed for sea animals to become land animals. One was the issue of locomotion. The amphibians and early reptiles had their legs splayed out to their sides. That configuration meant that they could not breathe and run at the same time. That led to all the early land predators becoming ambush predators, relying on surprise to capture their prey, because they could not run for more than a few seconds before they had to stop to breathe. Today, the Komodo dragon epitomizes that early limitation; it can only run for thirty feet before it has to stop to breathe. Because they could not breathe and exert at the same time, they also had no reason to increase their metabolisms to become high performance creatures. A car with a high performance engine with a low performance drive train would go no faster than the drive train could, so a high performance engine does not make sense unless there is a high performance drive train. And a high performance car is useless on a dirt road full of potholes. It is kind of back to Liebig’s Law, where the scarcest nutrient in the growth equation sets the growth limit:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebig%...of_the_Minimum

    It is similar to a “critical path” in an industrial process. The process can only go as fast as the slowest part can go. Bottlenecks in production slow everything down. Supposedly blind evolution prevented any part from becoming a bottleneck forever (those that did went extinct), as organisms became more efficient, which always meant energy efficient, the end.

    Somewhere during the Carboniferous Period, around 340-320 million years ago, reptiles appeared, diverging from their amphibian ancestors. The great innovation that allowed reptiles to break from the water in a way that amphibians could not was the development of the amniotic egg, which did not need to be laid in water.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amniote

    One of Ward’s hypotheses in Out of Thin Air is that the high oxygen content of the Carboniferous Period is what allowed amniotic eggs to develop, and high oxygen may have also led to live births.

    The new reptiles diverged into three main stocks early on:

    the diapsids http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diapsid

    anapsids, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anapsid

    and synapsids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synapsida, which led to mammals.

    The ice age that the crashing carbon dioxide levels precipitated brought an end to the Carboniferous Period about 300 million year ago. The drying world ended the swampy conditions that favored amphibians, and the rise to dominance of reptiles began:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboni...se#Vertebrates

    The period after the collapse of the Carboniferous rainforests is called the Permian, which lasted for about 50 million years, to about 250 million years ago. During the Permian, the ancestors of mammals, the synapsids, were the dominant reptile, with the Dimetrodon being the Permian’s signature reptile:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimetrodon

    That big fin on its back was for temperature regulation. During the Permian, there were no endothermic animals. Everything was cold-blooded. Being cold-blooded conserves energy. A warm-blooded animal consumes between five and fifteen times as much energy at rest as a cold-blooded one. Although the Carboniferous extinction wiped out most amphibians, oxygen levels kept rising, until it peaked in the mid-Permian, at between 30% and 35%. Then it began a steep slide that mirrored the rise of the early Carboniferous, and crashed to about 15% at the end of the Permian. Not coincidentally, it coincided with the greatest mass extinction yet recorded during the time of animals, with about 96% of marine life forms and 70% of land vertebrates going extinct, and it is the only known mass extinction of insects:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian...tinction_event

    My beloved trilobites lived their last during the Permian extinction, ending a run of nearly 300 million years on Earth:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilobite

    The cause of the oxygen crash is thought to be two-fold. The first was that about 300 million years ago the continents completed their 500 million cycle of breaking apart and coming back together, and the great continent called Pangaea was formed:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea

    One supercontinent uplifted many of the low-lying sedimentary basins and swamps, so they could no longer support that mass burial of plants that characterized the Carboniferous, which removed carbon from the atmosphere. Also the mass extinction that marked the end of the Carboniferous meant that there was also less plant life to bury, and less plant life to produce oxygen. Also, the creation of Pangaea led to a Canfield Ocean, because there were no continents to obstruct the flow of surface waters from the equator to the poles, which in turn create ocean currents, which in turn oxygenate the oceans like they do today:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation

    So, Earth’s ocean during the Pangaea era became a pond instead of rivers of currents that mixed oxygen into the water. That situation killed off all deep sea life, and microbes that had been forced into the margins due to the Great Oxygenation Event thrived in the newly anoxic oceans, and the anoxic part kept growing, right up to the surface. When even the shallow seas became anoxic, photosynthetic, anaerobic bacteria thrived:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_sulfur_bacteria

    and the resultant hydrogen sulfide event may have triggered the mass extinction that followed. That is Ward’s thesis,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_Hypothesis

    but there is still plenty of controversy around it. The hydrogen sulfide would have killed any animal that contacted much of it, on land or in the water, and it could have also damaged the ozone layer. There is evidence of ozone layer destruction during the Permian extinction, but the cause is still disputed.

    One of the primary purposes of this narrative is to make clear how much life was subject to the Earth’s changing chemistry, which was impacted by the position of the continents, what life was adding to the atmosphere, whether it was oxygen or hydrogen sulfide, and animals that could not adapt to the new conditions went extinct. Hot, wet, dry, cold, low oxygen, high oxygen, ultraviolet light, available nutrients such as carbon, phosphorus and nitrogen, these were all factors in what kind of life the environment could support. Even today, humanity is subject to these constraints and, as with the oxygenation or hydrogen sulfide events, humanity is altering Earth’s chemistry. Increased carbon dioxide and methane, and the acid rain that comes from sulfurous and nitrous oxide emissions, deforestation and the great erosion attending today’s human activities (about a quarter of Earth’s topsoil has been lost since 1945), these all have an impact on Earth’s chemical systems, and are greatly impacting the ecosystems. Already, mollusks in the Arctic are going extinct because the acidifying ocean is literally melting their shells from their backs. Glorious reefs that Ward performed research in thirty years ago have already been destroyed by global warming and oceanic acidification, in what is known as coral bleaching:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_bleaching

    We are already fifty thousand years into the sixth mass extinction event, and it is totally human-caused:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

    Megafauna extinctions also happened in Africa and Asia, but those animals evolved alongside humans and learned to avoid them, so their human-caused-extinctions were more modest than the poor creatures who had no experience with the fire-and-weapon-bearing bipedal super-predators. The human-caused extinctions began in earnest in Australia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna

    and has been ongoing ever since.

    Humans wiped out nearly all the megafauna for energy reasons, and that will become clearer when I get to the human part of this tale. Before humans appeared, it was still an energy game for life on Earth. All cosmology, geophysics, biochemistry, and evolution is investigated in a matter and energy framework by today’s scientists, and since matter is just an energy configuration, it is appropriate to say that those sciences are all performed within the energy framework. As I will make the case later, the same goes for human social organization, economics, and politics. The animal needs of humans need to be met before all else, and that is all about the acquisition, preservation and consumption of energy. But, I get ahead of myself.

    Off to weekend chores, but I will try to make another post this weekend.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi Limor:

    On the fossils, yes, no rackets that I know of are immediately impacted by the discovery of old fossils. There have been works, such as Forbidden Archeology, that argue for hundred million year old human footprints, but the evidence is pretty weak, IMO. I have never heard of a dig being classified. For human-related fossils, this is an area with plenty of chaff perpetrated by amateurs, such as Piltdown Man:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man

    And in the professional archeologist area, there has been controversy over human fossils, and misconduct and dogma:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#_edn39

    as with any field. So, with the human fossils, it can be more highly charged, with the investment in the human ego, such as that reluctance to admit that we are apes, and there have been many bitter battles over the extinctions, but eventually the evidence has won out. There have been many radical changes in the prevailing theories over the years, as new evidence has come to light, and new interpretations. That goes for anthropology, too. Eventually, the evidence prevails. There is plenty that the evidence will always be thin for, such as how early humans thought, although their tools can tell us a lot, and there is plenty that the evidence can still tell us.

    Until the ETs are able to come into the open, there is plenty about the universe and our past for which our theories are likely highly inadequate. The ETs will be likely able to tell us a lot about our past, if the universe is really expanding in Big Bang fashion, and so on. With just what I know is suppressed:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

    I know that our physics texts are woefully inadequate. Again, when technologies and discoveries run afoul of the rackets, then look out. Patents get classified, inventors get bought out or wiped out, etc. I have not heard any of those kinds of rumors in archeological circles, other than fringe New Agey claims without a shred of evidence to back them up, or exposed as hoaxes.

    I think I’ll have time for another post before the day is over, but I am going hiking with my wife soon.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    Today is the one-year anniversary of Brian O’s death. What a great blessing it was to have known him. One of my legacy tasks is to get his date of death corrected. The people who reported it got it wrong. If I can get it changed at the NASA site:

    http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/oleary-bt.html

    then I can get it changed elsewhere. It is similar to how I did his NASA biography first, before braving the waters at Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_O%27Leary

    I have some battles to fight there and elsewhere that I am not looking forward to, but I’ll try to get them done in the next year. That apparent attack by the military:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#attack

    took the wind out of Brian’s sails and shortened his life. I am trying to do my work in a way where I don’t meet a similar fate, which is common at the high levels of the free energy game. I am aiming for a lower profile, where I am not seen as somebody that they need to take out. Time will tell, and what I end up doing in the near future will likely either attract that wrong kind of attention, or I might end up being left alone. The goal is to get the nugget built so that I am obsolete to the process. That is probably wishful thinking, and I know others who have tried that path, but it is not easy to do. But what I am trying to accomplish, ideally, will set the conversation on a course where it will be difficult to derail. It will be up to my audience/participants, not me, in the end. All I can do is try to chart the course.

    Lately, I have been getting hit with Mills and his hydrino efforts. Mills theories are one of many with variations of quantum theory, along the ZPF end of things, and Brian O was involved with Mills at one time, maybe right to the end. You can see that Mills is trying the inventor/capitalist route:

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/

    which I consider to be a dead-end. While I really have no idea if the technology will work like Mills hopes it will, the Wikipedia treatment is standard for stuff like that, calling it BS in the introduction:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklight_Power

    As I have written plenty, anything really good is taken out of circulation almost immediately, so when I see waves made by people like Mills, I get skeptical and am not too interested.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post514878

    That situation with inventors trying to scale the ramparts will likely dog me for the rest of my days, or until FE is allowed to come forward.

    Anyway, back to the energy and evolution narrative. In brief, the energy of light is captured by photosynthetic life, and that largely powers Earth’s ecosystems, and it is also powering the industrial age, at least for a little while longer, until humanity burns through hundreds of millions of years of stored sunlight in a few centuries.

    There are other important dimensions of this life narrative that I have not touched on much yet. As I wrote earlier: (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post522822), according to the predominant theories of life, there are three imperatives for life:

    1. It acquires, preserves and uses energy;

    2. It reproduces;

    3. It evolves.

    The first one’s relationship to energy is obvious, but the other two also are, although the relationship can seem to be indirect. Reproduction is essentially reproducing the energy “machinery” of life, because organisms wear out. Phenomena such as cell apoptosis are just beginning to be understood, and the theories of aging generally revolve around cellular damage:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing#Theories

    and the ability of cells to do their jobs. In the end, the cell runs out of energy, or the process of making energy damages the cell to the point where it dies before its time, which is an energy drain on the organism. In evolutionary theory, as long as an organism lives long enough to reproduce (which would include parenthood in mammals like us), dying after that is not an evolutionary disadvantage. The human phenomenon of dying due to “old age” is pretty new on the life-on-Earth scene for animals. Animals usually die by predation, accidents, other acts of violence, or starvation, before they die of old age.

    There are myriad reproductive strategies by life forms. The one that humans do, live birth via sexual reproduction, is a relatively recent innovation. Asexual reproduction has been the dominant form of reproduction for most of life’s history on Earth. It was not until about a billion years ago that sexual reproduction appeared:

    http://paleobiol.geoscienceworld.org...3/386.abstract

    and the basic advantage of sexual reproduction is somewhat obviously genetic, although, as with many areas like this, there are plenty of competing theories:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evoluti...l_reproduction

    Nick Lane’s Power, Sex, Suicide and Matt Ridley’s The Red Queen are good introduction to the issue of sex (the DNA mixing aspect of it) and aging. The Red Queen explores the theory that sexual reproduction allowed life to survive in the evolutionary arms race between prey and predator, especially at the tiny level (parasites, viruses).

    Plants developed their own methods of reproduction. Seeds appeared in the Devonian:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed#Origin_and_evolution

    and trees appeared in the Carboniferous, and the “naked seed” gymnosperm was born:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnosp...ity_and_origin

    a hundred million years later, a naked seed group diverged,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowering_plant

    and in another hundred million years, flowering plants appeared, which grew fruit, in the greatest symbiosis between plants and animals yet devised. It took more tens of millions of years for flowering trees to displace conifers as the dominant trees.

    But I get ahead of myself again. I have to go play husband now, but I will return to that biggest extinction episode so far (the Permian of 250 million years ago), and revisit Ward’s hypothesis that those animals that could adapt to low oxygen (energy) conditions the best survived, while those that could not went extinct.

    In technical geological terms, the Permian extinction marked the end of an era, dividing the Paleozoic Era (ancient life) from the Mesozoic Era (middle life).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesozoic

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi Wade,

    Re Brian's date of death. Iliie and Bill had opened a thread last year, announcing his passing away on the 29th of july.

    Re Wikepedia and NASA - Battles are always something one is not looking forword to, maybe, energetically, it will be more convenient not to think about it as a 'Battle', but more as an attempt to correct mistakes, an essential deed. the results are not always 100% determind by the one who tries to make the ammends (not a good thing to say to a perfectionist!)

    About Mills Blacklight power - Wikepedia seems to be conveniently 'quoting' other several 'prominent physicists', rather than using their own words..

    long live objectivity..

    ~^&*~&*

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    Hi Wade - I experienced the pleasure of being in Brian O's company at the 2009 Zurich Camelot conference.

    His high capacity intellect was really obvious to me - a kind of cool efficiency in speech which can't be faked. It was pretty obvious then that Brian's main aim then was to encourage younger folk to take the baton. His gentleness was sublime, his comments always measured. He did not associate much with the hoi polloi of which I was one but nonetheless I was glad of his presence.

    I got the impression then of something ineffectual in him but had no idea then of his more rebellious past. Actually rebellion and Brian were uncomfortable bed fellows all along. In that I have something significantly in common with him - a love of peace, an aversion to hatred, and a calm humility which is often confused with ignorance of the ways of the world.

    Hail Brian O.

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    Hi:

    Hi Limor:

    NASA will not be a battle, but I have already been battling on Brian’s bio at Wikipedia. Again, the astronauts have treated me with class. It is the rabble at Wikipedia and elsewhere that gives me a hard time. That is also typical in these realms. Dennis is attacked on national TV, dogged by dishonest “skeptics,” thrown in jail and prison by the local gangsters, lied about by his “peers” and other joys, but the people who run the world take him very seriously.

    Back to the Permian extinction. Why some species go extinction while others survive is one of the many mysteries of evolution. One of the mysteries is how the lystrosaurus survived when almost no other reptile did:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lystrosaurus

    They were about the size of a sheep, and with almost everything else wiped out, they came to dominate land like no other animal before or since, comprising up to 95% of southern Pangaea’s animal life. It was the largest animal on Earth after the Permian extinction.

    The Permian extinction happened over millions of years, in multiple pulses. The extinctions happened during the oxygen crash. One keystone of evolutionary theory is that crises spur innovation. The Permian extinction is thought to have given rise to key changes that led to today’s life. More efficient respiration came out of that time. It is also thought that warm-bloodedness may have come from the same period. Today, the most prominent theory of warm-bloodedness is that it came about to increase aerobic efficiency. The four-chambered heart also appeared at this time, which is thought to have come about to increase blood pressure, to become a high-performance organism. Ward surmises that that increase in aerobic efficiency came as a result of the crashing oxygen levels. Related to increasing aerobic efficiency was the development of a more upright carriage, so that an animal could run and breathe. That led directly to tiny reptiles that ran on two legs. It is controversial whether they initially had warm blood, but their ability to run and breathe at the same time was a great advantage, and those tiny reptiles became what we call dinosaurs today.

    A different line of reptiles also developed warm blood in the late Permian, the cynodonts:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynodontia

    and mammals descended from that line. The cynodonts began a trend that has a big impact on the appearance of humans in that they began to develop larger brains than the other reptiles:

    http://palaeos.com/vertebrates/cynodontia/overview.html

    Their enlarged brains helped them hear and smell better, not increase their intelligence. Mammals and dinosaurs came onto the scene during the Triassic Period which followed the Permian.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triassic

    They started out small, but the bipedal dinosaurs soon came to dominate, and if not for an asteroid that hit Earth 65 million years ago, dinosaurs might still dominate Earth, with mammals a marginal creature that stayed on the margins, hiding from the dominant animals. At the time of that impact that killed off the dinosaurs:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretace...tinction_event

    the largest mammal was about the size of a rat. The oxygen crash rebounded from maybe 10-15% during the Permian extinction to maybe 18% during the Triassic. But it was a time of relatively low oxygen, and those animals that could find ways to maximize their energy production in the low oxygen environments thrived. Dinosaurs could run and breathe at the same time, which gave them a huge predatory advantage. They no longer had to be ambush predators, but could run down their prey.

    If you study these areas, there is no end to controversy and alternative theories. Bible-based creationists try to pick apart the science, with a “The Bible is right” goal in mind. I was exposed to Creationist science back in the 1990s, and was not impressed. That does not mean that there is no creator, not by any means. I regard the vast majority of Creationist science to be Baby Soul efforts. Materialist science is a Young Soul enterprise. They both have pieces of the puzzle, but are far from an integrated perspective. There is no inherent conflict between a creator and evolution. One of Seth’s last books dealt with evolution:

    http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-Evoluti.../dp/1878424270

    But the price of admission to this reality is dealing with the reality on the ground, and that means getting enough energy, surviving, reproducing, and evolving.

    I have to run to work soon, but wanted to briefly address another aspect of respiration in low oxygen environments, which is the diversity in lungs. Mammalian lungs are far different than reptilian lungs. Alveolar lungs are the kind that mammals have, expanding and contracting. In, out, in, out. Reptiles have a septate lung, which is not elastic. One of the big controversies is when the ancestors of birds developed the air-sac system of breathing, which is a variation of the septate lung. Ward makes the case that saurischian dinosaurs developed the air sac system earlier than has been previously thought:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurischia

    and that superior breathing system is what led them to have the lowest extinction rate of tetrapods when oxygen crashed once again (to perhaps the lowest value in the past 600 million years – the entire eon of complex life), during the Triassic/Jurassic extinction event of 200 million years ago:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triassi...tinction_event

    that set the stage for the era of dinosaur dominance, which lasted for 135 million years.

    More later, but some long work days await me.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi Ixopoborn:

    Yes, Brian was no “rebel.” All the greatest “rebels” that I knew were all overgrown Boy Scouts:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

    and their “rebellion” was nothing more than the slow and grim realization that the “system” has only a passing interest in the truth, making the world a better place for all, etc., and is often diametrically-opposed to it. The system is there to serve those who run it, and it is not us. They left the establishment because it was corrupt, evil even, and they could not meet their goals within its framework.

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    Connecting two segments from Wade's posts together - In the first, Wade talked about the "myriad reproductive strategies by life forms.. A sexual reproduction has been the dominant form of reproduction for most of life’s history on Earth." later Wade's mentioned the Triassic Period where the dinosaurs appeard.. I couldn't help but wonder how dinosaurs reproduced.. ? dinosaurs are considered both birds and reptiles, were there any genetics of mammalian as well? I am searching in google for answer. My guess is that some types probably laid eggs.

    Well, Definite answer can not be achieved, only speculations, some quite amusing. someone suggested that this is why the dinosaurs are extinct, another suggested that when dinosaurs had sex, the earth tactonic plates have shifted ;)
    laughing aside, it will be interesting to find out. sorry for the deviation from this thread's subject.
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    Hi Limor:

    Most dinosaurs laid eggs, but not all.

    http://www.neatorama.com/2011/08/12/...of-live-birth/

    http://askwhy.co.uk/dinosauroids/?p=211

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...nosaurs-fetus/

    Live births go way back, and laying eggs or having live births was a kind of evolutionary cost-benefit calculation. Live births kept the embryo as safe as the mother, but carrying embryos for live birth also limited the mother’s ability to move and survive. Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn’t.

    As I wrote earlier:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post528765

    the development of the amniotic egg allowed reptiles to go where amphibians couldn’t, and is why they survived into the Permian when most amphibians didn’t.

    Mammals shared a common ancestor with dinosaurs, back at the first reptiles:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evoluti...Early_reptiles

    Going to bed now.

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    Thank you, Wade. The links were most interesting to read. Then, there are hints that some of the 'saurs' expressed mammalian behaviour, and few of them might have birthed their offsprings, as the fossilized pregnant dinosaur finds demonstrate. This is a good example for understanding the amount of information that can be extracted from fossils. it is incredible to think how nature or another external factor cares for all the specific needs of every living being on earth.

    The dinosaurs topic always raises many more questions, for example, I wonder, what would they have developed to be today? erected on two legs, like us? some of the 'saurs' types already did. how about inteligence? maybe the answer can be found in crocodiles, if they are indeed a direct lineage, it is doubtful that humans could co-exist with dinosaurs (would be very bad for our egos!) , and the presence of people probably influenced the evolution of crocodiles , or maybe its lack of development, who knows. There seems to be symbiosis in everything.
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    Hi Limor:

    While dinosaurs walked Earth, our ancestors hid in holes. In the same book as these adventures:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads

    as I recall, Roads visited the dinosaurs and saw a T-Rex in action. He described it as an overwhelming experience. The high-energy viciousness that the T-Rex displayed is long-gone from this planet. As he watched the T-Rex in action, he realized that its representative on Earth today is the hummingbird. Roads’s account is one of many like it that I have encountered where a mystical account is later found by scientific findings to likely be valid. Until relatively recently, dinosaurs were thought to be lumbering, slow beasts. But, like with Ward’s thesis and the dinosaurian respiration system, they were high performance animals. The world’s fastest human runner would have likely made a tasty treat for a T-Rex.

    http://www.livescience.com/9519-rex-outrun-humans.html

    Also, some dinosaurs had hands.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumb#O...posable_digits

    And there is reasoned speculation that they were on their way to becoming intelligent:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapient...ient_dinosaurs

    Intelligent dinosaurs with hands…. It reminds me of Michael saying that there are a million ensouled species in our galaxy.

    There has been plenty of research on dinosaur behavior:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur_behavior

    So, let’s continue with the narrative. During the Triassic, some animals returned to the sea, which Ward thinks had to do with the low oxygen in the atmosphere and how hot the world was. There was far more carbon dioxide in the world during the days of the dinosaurs than today. The cooler waters helped, in a low oxygen environment.

    The issue of whether dinosaurs were warm-blooded or not is still a hot topic:

    http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/endothermy.html

    http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/dinosa...armblooded.htm

    Humans have an obvious bias toward warm-blooded animals, but the issue of being warm-blooded or not was likely a cost-benefit issue, once again. On a hot planet, dinosaurs would not have necessarily needed to spend the energy to keep their body temperature in the ideal range. Again, birds are considered dinosaurs:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_birds

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur#Definition

    They are warm-blooded, and many are highly intelligent. Warm-bloodedness is an obvious energy issue:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endotherm_(biology)

    While I think that most people think of dinosaurs as one big group, it was quite diverse, and there were plenty of changes during their reign on Earth.

    In the Jurassic, with their air-sac breathing system in a world of low oxygen, the saurischian dinosaurs:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurischia

    had an advantage over dinosaurs without such a breathing system, and saurischian dinosaurs dominated the Jurassic. The sauropods were the big ones that have amazed children for many years:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauropod

    The rise in oxygen of the Cretaceous Period, combined with the appearance of flowering plants, led to the rise of ornithischian dinosaurs:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithischia

    which dominated the Cretaceous. The easy breathing of a high oxygen environment, combined with the decline of fir trees, favored the ornithischian grazers. The theropods were saurischians and the apex predators of the dinosaur era:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theropoda

    Birds descended from that line. There has been great controversy in recent years regarding the alleged recovery of dinosaur soft tissue and even DNA:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosau...tissue_and_DNA

    which is the stuff of Spielberg’s Jurassic Park. In my backyard, the former CTO of Microsoft has a Tyrannosaurus skeleton in his house:

    http://seattle-mansions.blogspot.com...rex-house.html

    For the people who have everything. I once saw that skeleton from a boat next to the shore. A guy I worked with went to work for that guy, and he has the heads from the T-Rexes used in Jurassic Park in his office.

    Dinosaurs had some fantastic shapes and sizes. The largest flying animal ever would have been a terrifying sight today:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzal...northropi#Size

    http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...lt-506x400.jpg

    not to mention creatures like the T-Rex. The oceans were also full of aquatic dinosaurs, many of which would have kept the surfers out of the water:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronosaurus

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliosau...e_pliosauroids

    The T-Rex and friends would have likely gone along, dominating Earth, if not for a little impact 65 million years ago:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretace...tinction_event

    It is the only mass extinction that is directly-related to an impact event, as far as the evidence today shows. The others have more to do with atmospheric chemistry, whether it was volcanism, hydrogen sulfide events from anoxic oceans, oxygen starvation, etc.

    Birds survived that holocaust, as well as mammals. As I have mentioned before, and Ilie dug up a movie:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post514114

    the air-sac system of birds is about the most efficient respiration system on Earth. Flying insects have the highest metabolisms on Earth, as flying is the most aerobically-demanding activity on Earth. When a bird inhales, the air does not go into its lungs, but into air sacs near its tail. The air then goes over the lungs on its way out of the body. So, directionally, it could be said that a bird is constantly exhaling, but when you look at it as fresh air goes over the avian lung with each breath, you could say that birds are constantly inhaling, as compared to mammals.

    The system is far more energy efficient than that of mammals. Like my high performance car analogy earlier:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post528765

    having highly efficient lungs is only part of the secret of their success. Birds also have highly efficient mitochondria, and that is most likely why they live so long, compared to mammals of similar size. Albatrosses live as long as 150 years, and if you buy a parrot to keep you company, it will likely outlive you if you properly care for it. Mitochondria are the energy factories of complex life, as I have discussed earlier:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post520874

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ria#post521902

    and as reproduction errors over an organism’s lifetime lead to mitochondria that begin to leak free radicals (which are the deadly byproducts of oxygenic respiration), those free radicals do a lot of damage, which ages the organism. It is like an engine that wears out, creating more pollution as it ages, eventually wasting more energy than it produces. Birds have high performance mitochondria, which are necessary to fuel flight. Because of those high-performance mitochondria, they are only at full capacity when a bird is in flight, and the rest of the time the mitochondria are working at a fraction of their capacity. A bird has a lot of slack in its energy-producing system, and this is an important idea. Energy systems that are not running at the limits of their capacity have slack in the system, which makes them more resilient. Less efficient energy systems, constantly running on the high end of their performance curve, are taxed and are less resilient (like humanity’s energy systems today ). They also wear out quicker. That is why birds live longer than mammals do.

    Time to go to work. The age of mammals is coming.

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    Wade
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    Well Wade,

    You only have to post now that there is evidence of the flying dinosaurs breathing fire and the dragon folklore will be vindicated!

    Fascinating reading about Life's processes on Earth. Hopefully we will become proficient remote viewers and will be able to "go see" if the interpretation of the data so far is correct

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    [mod-action] I've moved one post about a free energy invention over here. Please, Wade has made it clear many times now that this is not the thread to discuss the latest Free Energy inventions. Start your own threads about that, or post in one of the many threads on the subject. Thank you.

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    Ilie, You obviously failed to find out that evidence of flying dragon dinosaurs do exist. I was 11 yrs when I got my proof and I always knew I would one day have my own 'Falcor'. And I still do. given the fact that you were one year old at the time, you are forgiven

    About Dinosaurs inteligence, It seems that 'sapients dinosaurs' are mostly based on theories, suggestions and possibilities. The only thing scientists can do is to think of all possible scenarios, connect the evidence of climatic phenomena to the time of the extinction of those big creatures, and hope that some of these hypotheses are right on target. nothing else can be done, unless new discoveries are revealed.

    In one of the links Wade provided, Dale Russell, one of the speculators, created a model of the hypothetical Dinosauroid of a Trodon type, in a possible evolutionary path, in case the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event would not have happened. the 'after' model can very much remind some type of extraterrestrial, according to testimonies and Portraiture made by people who have 'met' them. anyone who search this subject can notice the similarity. just thought to mention it.


    Before and After

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    Hi:

    OK, a little more on the Cretaceous extinction event:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretace...tinction_event

    It was one of the big five extinction events, and the most sudden. Peter Ward’s career was largely spent studying mass extinctions. In one of his books, he said that being able to say why one species went extinct while another survived is like saying why one person lived to be a hundred and another did not. It often seemed to be the luck of the draw. However, the conditions that accompanied the mass extinctions are beginning to be understood, which is influencing the theories on why certain species survived.

    The aftermath of that impact event killed off the food chains that relied on photosynthesis, and the huge conflagrations that accompanied the bolide event burned the world’s forests. So, animals that could find refuge, and those that did not depend on the photosynthetic food chain, survived. There are ecosystems that are called detritus ecosystems, where the life forms feed off of dead organisms. In his Overshoot,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversho...tionary_Change

    Catton called the industrialized world the greatest detritus ecosystem ever, as we burn up ancient life forms to fuel our world. The largest carrion heap ever amassed likely followed that bolide event, and animals that found shelter in swamps and burrows, and could feed on the mountains of dead creatures (or eat those that do), survived, like crocodiles.

    The bird family was diverse, but only one line lived. The others died out:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretace...on_event#Birds

    Those survivors include waterfowl. It is also now thought that they may have been the most intelligent birds:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0127165505.htm

    and their intelligence saw them through. All other bird lines and all other dinosaurs went extinct. As with the other mass extinctions, the aftermath saw marginal life forms come to dominate the new period, as the ecological niches formerly occupied by the extinct species opened up.

    The Cretaceous extinction was so drastic that it marks the end of the Mesozoic Era, and the beginning of the era that we live in today, called the Cenozoic:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenozoic

    The largest existing mammals when that bolide hit were about the size of rats, and they hid in their burrows, ate the dead, and survived. Those bedraggled creatures were our ancestors. Similar to those sheep-like reptiles that took over after the Permian extinction:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eep#post529560

    or how dinosaurs took over after the Triassic Extinction:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triassi...tinction_event

    mammals and birds rather quickly filled the empty niches that the dinosaurs left behind. And they became large. Increasing size in prey and their predators is a kind of arms race.

    Time for bed. More soon.

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    Wade
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