WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Quickly, before I go to work. In Homer-Dixon’s book:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...xon#post440998

he repeated an observation from biology:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post445450

where systems that have slack in them, or resilience, are better able to withstand impacts before unraveling. The twin koans of capitalism are efficiency and profits. But in order to do that, systems often sacrifice resilience. Sacrificing resilience for efficiency to skim profits is what makes systems vulnerable to collapse, like we saw with the heavily leveraged financial system’s collapse in 2007-2009. The crazy part is that the leverage is still largely with us, as the governments stepped in to bail out their banking buddies with taxpayer money. As the world runs out of oil, the resilience will decline, leading to susceptibility to collapse. This is one of the primary fears of the Peak Oilers and others.

FE makes all of those fears disappear. Again, it can be surreal to see the heavily entrenched denial of FE that comes from almost all quarters, especially by people who are educated about the energy situation. The Level 3s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level3

have the most invincible denial that I have encountered. I think it is similar to them being the most threatened by the ET reality:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#brookings

Going to work now.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

After months of unsuccessful attempts to obtain permission from Brian’s family to publish an essay on Brian O that included some specifics on what Brian believed was an attempt on his life, I decided to remove the identifying information (I would never name the perpetrators, but I was giving specifics that people could check out for themselves) and publish the essay:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm

I have not linked to it from my home page yet, but I consider the essay published with this Avalon post.

I intended to disclose that alleged murder attempt to help sober up those who are thinking of playing this game. It is a rough road, and if I ever took my show on the road, I would be risking my life, in several ways. I have no desire to field death threats and murder attempts, and it comes with that territory. I will say that the alleged murder attempt that Brian survived was related to public events that he helped organize and participate in.

I still have some more legacy work to do regarding Brian, and we will see how it goes.

I have a busy weekend ahead of me.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Wade,

As I read your last post and essay I so too wonder where all the sentient beings are in our world. I know, but your essay again left me feeling empathic but sorrowful at the injustices and challenges faced by Brian, Yourself, Dennis, Adam and the many who were persecuted literally to death.

I'm stuck for words because there are no words to compensate and or motivate those in our circles we so love never mind humanity as a whole.

Like Brian we will stay the course until we see Heaven on Earth either way

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Your observations are always welcome, my dear. As Brian said, it is a lonely journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#lonely

A few heroes cannot get it done. They are easily picked off, one-at-a-time. And the situation that I discovered the hard way - that the greatest hazard is not Godzilla, but your family and friends:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post459163

has more to do with our predicament than Godzilla does. The most painful attacks that I received did not come from Godzilla. Going bankrupt when the sledgehammer came down was the easy part:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#bankrupt

Watching people around me, some of whom I had known for most of my life, turn into cowards or Orcs chasing the One Ring was the hard part (or both at the same time, believe it or not; or them being effortlessly enlisted into service by the Orcs via brandished fake carrots). My primary lesson, that personal integrity was the world’s scarcest commodity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

was the lesson that I resisted the longest, until I had it finally beaten into my head in no uncertain terms. This pain with family and friends is pretty much a universal condition among those in the FE field. Most of your family and friends will call you crazy. But some get a glimpse of what you are doing and positively respond, and they are the dangerous ones, believe it or not. Every time a friend or family member put me on a pedestal when they caught a whiff of what I was doing, they later attacked me and tried to tear me down. That was due to their ego processes. I mentioned the delusions of grandeur issue:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#grandeur

and my own struggles with it. When I had friends and family attack me, especially those who once put me on a pedestal, that was the issue that defeated them. At some level, they understood the immense ramifications of FE, and they had somebody close to them chasing after it. They lived mundane lives, and somebody close to them was going after the biggest event in human history. They wanted to be a part of it somehow, get a piece of the action, or just get a heady whiff of the potential, as they lived their lives of quiet desperation, punching the clock. So, they would fixate on me. There were times when they were truly helpful, but it was almost always me helping them more than they were helping me. Also, their fixation did not reflect trying to help make FE happen, but they were fixating on what I represented to them. At some level, they knew that they did not have what it took to play the FE game, or even really understand how the world works, and they eventually took it out on me. Those people are gone from my life, but they created as much damage as they could on their way out – and they were the people whom I spent thousands of dollars on to help them, and I never did anything to them that could cause them to attack me, other than to ask them to stop trying to help me or compete with me. I could chalk it all up to their egos or some karma that we had, and it could be just that, but I have this suspicion that their fixation became an opening for lower-astral entities to influence them, to try to knock me off my feet. The forces of darkness are real and vigilant, and this dynamic is common with all high level players in the FE milieu, and there aren’t many of us.

Long ago, Dennis told me that the people who screwed him the hardest were “believers” in the cause. Those who were involved because it was merely a job or other business relationship were not the one who sank their daggers in the deepest; it was those who understood some of the ramifications of what Dennis was attempting to do. They turned into Orcs.

As I sit back and read that essay about Brian that I wrote a few months ago, probably the greatest part of me is inspired by such a great man’s journey. Another part is very saddened. I know what he lived through, and that is the great sadness that accompanies understanding the milieu. One pal knew Brian from his Princeton days, when Brian was into mining asteroids and building space colonies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#oneill

He has a NASA background, too, and is a world-class scientist. He said this about Brian: “I miss Brian. He was one of a kind and wonderful.” The man once told me how Brian was always exceedingly kind to him. The angels were lined up ten deep, with trumpets, when Brian passed over, but I don’t want to be writing any more eulogies for FE saints anytime soon. Dennis making the cover of Time magazine, as he has tea with Godzilla, is what I would rather see, but I would not bet on that outcome.

I am obviously trying something different. No heroes, no martyrs, but the ground-rumbling thunder of sentient, stampeding lambs.

I host Easter at my house, a week after moving into it. Last year, it was thirty-five people. So, I have to sign off for the day, as I play party slave to my wife.

I’ll end with a quote from that great spiritual master, Father Guido Sarducci:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Guido_Sarducci

Long ago, I heard him say that Easter was his favorite holiday, because, “Anybody can be born.”

Happy Easter,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I have a long week ahead of me, and the next month will be extremely busy. After that, I may catch a break, and really get going on that energy essay, but we will see. Part of the problem is that the essay will be comprehensive, and as I rifle through the notes of the latest book that I study, I see another interesting book on energy and humanity, or a book on ecosystem relationships and discontinuities (AKA collapse), and I get it and read it, to help the essay cover those bases better. But this is the year that I have to get it done. I think that I have done enough study to make a compelling case, but there is always more to learn. Working 12-hour days does not help, nor does moving my household, and for that matter, nor does posting at Avalon! I have a long-suffering wife with all of this, too. Most whom I really respected in the FE milieu were happily married, although the FE pursuit certainly put everybody through the wringer. They weren’t playing New Age gurus with harems, or the various other roles that the pretenders don. They were the real deal, and the real deals don’t have it easy. Brian O, or Ralph McGehee (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/mcgehee.htm), or Dennis, those overgrown Boy Scouts:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

all had what I consider classic awakening experiences, at least for Americans, where they drank the Kool-Aid deeply, to eventually awaken to what a Big Lie so much of it was. Everybody I know who really awakened went through a similar progression. People who are naturally “rebellious” are doing something different, and I found that those “rebels” were acting out of something like Young Warrior delusions (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors), not really a pursuit of the truth.

Gotta run.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Before I go to work, briefly, I am besieged by people wanting my time, and it is often in the FE field. I fielded another invitation just last night. I can give an unqualified vote of confidence for virtually nobody in the FE field today. It is a handful, at best. That is partly because I do not pay much attention to the field today, but also when I was in the field, and when I currently watch newcomers make their splashes, they do things that send up numerous red flags. Virtually none of them have the personal integrity or worldliness necessary to navigate very far along the path, and some engage in criminal behavior.

The field is full of naïve newbies and pretenders, and the usual liars get promoted as having keen observations on the milieu, when their primary “virtue” is lying about Dennis:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#libel

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

That lack of integrity in the field is merely common to all human groups today:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

so I am not really picking on the FE field, but the issue will have such overwhelming impact on the human journey that virtually nobody in the field today has any business even trying. Because the field is filled with liars, pretenders, opportunists and provocateurs, and the naïve people led astray by them, some days the whole effort seems pretty pointless. That is why Brian said that the people who will bring FE forward will be new to the field:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#new

That is another reason for my stampeding lamb strategy, to keep people away from the life-threatening minefields of the FE milieu.

Best,

Wade

[Sunfeather]

Orcs chasing the One Ring ~ how sadly very true. When we turn attention from getting away from what we dislike, then perhaps attention will be drawn by our aspiration, moving towards the vision rather than away from the dysfunction ~~~ just a thought

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sunfeather:

You are zeroing in on an aspect of the conundrum. Dennis called it The Treasure of the Sierra Madre effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tre...ra_Madre_(film)

Brian O called it the Gold Rush effect. I call it the Orc and the One Ring effect.

After I saw it happen several times, I told Dennis how shocking it was to see:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#shocked

and he replied that the first fifty times he saw it, he was shocked, too.

Those Levels of the FE Onion, from 1 to 11:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

are, to one degree or another, fear-based reactions to the idea of FE. Almost nobody today can walk past those minefields of fear, and they are not going to begin to understand the abundance message that comes with FE until it is delivered to their homes, just like Machiavelli said:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

Many years of seeing those various fearful reactions is what led me to seeking the sentient lambs. Whenever the pure positive vision is put forth, people nearly invariably respond with extreme naiveté:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#naive

I wrote something several years ago on the issue that a pal published:

http://www.serendipity.li/fe/minefields.htm

Pure positive visions have never worked, because people react to them in naïveté and fear, believe it or not. I put out the positive visions plenty:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

and I wish it was enough, but it is not. And those who played the FE game, putting out the positive visions and trying to make them happen – the ones that I really respected – all were the targets of murder attempts. I have published what I can about Brian’s murder attempt:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#attack

Mallove’s murder drove Brian out of the USA:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#portland

I watched when Godzilla took out several people involved with the Disclosure Project:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#adamiak

I don’t think that Adam has talked publicly about it, but of the many murder attempts that he has suffered through, at least one time it worked, and he was clinically dead, but he was sent back by an angel, because his work was not done. Those who play the FE game at the high levels are risking their lives, and it has informed my attempt to do it in a way that is not risking people’s lives:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#pursuing

but as you can see from this thread, it has constantly been crashed by people with inventor-itis, those who think we can sneak past Godzilla, and the rest of those early-level perspectives. As I have stated before, it seems that newbies to the field just have to try out some of those lower levels before they begin to understand. All those lower levels are the equivalent of trying to pour the new wine into old skins. They are trying scarcity-based ways of bringing abundance to the world. Their very assumptions defeat them before they start.

Unless Godzilla dies in his sleep, or the ETs or Ascended Masters show up, the only thing that I see with a prayer is the Level 12 approach, but I have only encountered a few level 12s in my life. I am trying to grow more, however.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

One last post before I go to work. Everybody whom I respect in the FE field began their journeys naively. Sparky Sweet mailed off working FE prototypes, thinking that he was going to get a ticker-tape parade:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#sweet

Dennis believed the newspaper ads, and thought that the Washington electric companies would love a heating system that delivered the energy savings that they said they were so eager to achieve:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#naive

Brian admitted late in his life how naïve he still was about the reality around FE and Earth-healing efforts:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#prologue

When I raised the money to get us going in Boston, Dennis said that his wife was unsure of letting somebody as naïve as me into that mess. She was right; I was naïve. Not many people like hearing it, but naïveté is the starting point in the FE game. Even when I first dreamed of changing the energy paradigm as a teenager:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#introduction

I understood that the vested interests might not welcome the change. My naïveté was not around that, but how almost nobody had the right stuff to even try to make that change. I took many years before I had it beaten into my head:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

I was young enough to survive the experience, but others did not. I saw many wrecked and prematurely-ended lives during those days:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#journey

and I decided that I could not afford to pay that price again, nor would I ever ask anybody to get onto the playing field where they could. That is partly why you see my rather strong reactions to naïve, scale-the-ramparts types of posts at Avalon and elsewhere. I already have enough blood on my hands for one life. I am trying for the Level 12, sentient lamb approach:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

That will not be based on denial, but acknowledgement. It acknowledges organized suppression, but does not fixate on it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

It acknowledges that almost all people live in fear, but tries a loving approach. It acknowledges that most people need to have an FE machine delivered to their homes before their eyes begin to open, and leaves them alone until that machine is ready for delivery. A mass movement that caters to lowest-common-denominators (scarcity-based ideologies (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant) will not work, because those are the tools that the social managers use to control the great herd of humanity, and you cannot outmaneuver the master shepherd. Heart-centered sentience is the way that I am trying, but it will be anything but easy, in a world where scarcity and fear dominate. But, I am familiar with seemingly crazy and futile gestures working:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

Kind of like in the Harry Potter movies, help is given to those who need it, especially those who are taking on the big issues. I know that there is something a lot bigger happening than meets the eye. I don’t call it faith, but I know that we get help when we least expect it. It somehow comes with the territory of the game we are playing. I am not really very happy about the state of affairs – I want to live in Heaven on Earth (something like this http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1) – and it can be extremely depressing to realize that we are closer today to this world (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade) than that heavenly one, but this is where we all got plunked down, and I think that our jobs are making the best of it, at least for those of us who want to make this world a better place to live in.

Gotta run now.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Briefly, before I go to work, I am currently reading a book on ecosystem dynamics. I am digging into a subject a little more that was a theme in Homer-Dixon’s book.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post462389

Ecosystems are organized energy and matter flows where geophysical and life processes interact. If life did not appear on Earth, and especially photosynthetic bacteria, Earth would have lost its hydrogen, and hence its oceans, to space. The high atmospheric oxygen content is driven by photosynthesis, and when sunlight splits water, the hydrogen would eventually escape to space, but it reacts with oxygen on the way up and becomes water again. Earth would probably look a lot like Mars if photosynthetic life had not appeared on Earth.

Systems theory has been applied to ecosystems research, and highly interesting and valuable insights have been derived from its study. It is always energy driven. Systems far from thermodynamic equilibrium are where the action is, especially with life forms. Humans began altering Earth’s ecosystems when they harnessed fire:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#fire

and their impact on Earth’s ecosystems has only accelerated, as humans have burned through one energy resource after another (megafauna, forests, arable land, whales, fur, and now fossil fuels and uranium). Only some Stone Age peoples lived somewhat sustainably, because they did not have the metals that could greatly alter the landscape (deforestation and plow agriculture, most importantly), but no civilization has ever lived abundantly. Some obvious trends have attended the “phases” of civilization, which were founded on the energy surplus:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

But today’s phase has an inertia (George Carlin said that inertia was the most powerful force in the universe ), where the vested interests (with Godzilla sitting at the head of the table) are ensuring that we will burn through all of the hydrocarbons before we get to see what is next. They are not only toying with the fate of human civilization, but it is also a dire threat to the planet’s ecosystems, which have been pushed past the edge in many places already (such as the collapse of fisheries). When ecosystems collapse, if they have had their underpinnings weakened sufficiently, they can suffer total collapse. If there is enough resilience left in the system before it collapses, there can be regeneration, such as after certain kinds of forest fires.

Humans have been causing Earth’s greatest mass extinction episode in 65 million years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn5

When mass extinction events like that occur, it takes millions of years for the ecosystems to recover, and different life forms usually come to dominate the new ecosystems. The dinosaurs’ demise left the field open to a previously marginal life form, mammals, to become the dominant land-based animal. Humans wiped out almost all of the large animals as they spread across the planet, mammals predominantly. Humans have already greatly impacted Earth’s ecosystems, in several waves. In the wave that began about five hundred years ago, the white people of Europe drove many other peoples to the brink of extinction, and sometimes to complete extinction.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#genocide

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#first

While some observers are not so sure if that is a bad thing, it is certain that ecosystem diversity, and hence, its resilience, has been greatly impaired by human activities.

If humanity sends it over the cliff with its destructive energy practices, the estimates that I have seen is that it will take Earth’s ecosystems tens of millions of years to recover. And fifty million years from now, when the new dominant life form, which may be intelligent enough to research the past like humans do, perform their studies, they will see six mass extinction episodes in Earth’s past, and the most recent one may be a little mysterious at first. The scientists could not find evidence of a comet impact, hyper-volcanism, gamma ray blasts or the usual suspects of mass extinctions. The signature evidence was the disappearance of the hydrocarbon deposits left by earlier epochs, the quick disappearance of almost all large mammals, and here and there, remnants of an artificial rock were found (we call it concrete), and the spread of ape fossils to everywhere on the planet.

That evidence may puzzle those future scientists for a while, until somebody puts it together with an audacious theory: those ape fossils that spread across the planet as the other animals went extinct may have been intelligent enough to manipulate Earth’s environment on an unprecedented scale. But they quickly burned through their available energy resources, even mining ancient ones from Earth’s crust for a brief time, before they wiped out most of Earth’s species and themselves.

While that ape was capable of manipulating its energy environment with its hands, that audacious theory ignited a fierce debate: was the species sentient? The largest faction doubted that the species was sentient, but more like a creeping cancer that ran its course in few thousand years, leaving behind a devastated planet. But a small fraction made the case that those apes were sentient, sort of. They enhanced their energy practices at the expense of all other species (except those they could exploit) and burned through it all as fast as they could. Those future scientists and others engaged in that debate were a space-faring species that discovered free energy long ago. They knew that the principles of free energy were not that hard to understand or discover. How could an allegedly sentient species fail to tap into that virtually limitless energy source? That issue was one of the primary ones used by the anti-sentience camp. They could not believe that a sentient species would exploit such primitive energy sources and destroy the planet's ecosystems while taking themselves with it. The sentience camp believed that it was possible to be sentient and create such devastating destruction that took themselves out with it. The sentience camp portrayed their theories as a cautionary tale. They theorized that those apes were marginally sentient. Sentient enough to burn through ancient energy deposits, but not sentient enough to see where it was leading, even though the signs must have been obvious.

In short, that is the epitaph that I hope to help prevent humanity from writing for itself. It does not have to be that way:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

Maybe this should have been on the fear of FE thread.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...No-way-in-hell

Going to work now.

Best,

Wade

[Limor Wolf]

It is such a pleasure to read you, Wade. I feel like I am getting rich by the minute. You have a wealth of information and understandings as a result of your various life experiences and probably well prior to that... wich is so rare, I appreciate what you are trying to do and feel humbled by it.

I know that I am acquiring some small knowledge when I begin to take notice of stories about free energy that is publicized in the media (ever so few references) and react to it with different eyes. Today, I bumped into a surprising article, appearing under the 'Economist' section of the biggest newspaper in Israel. It has covered the invention of the Italian - Andrea Rossi, wich was probably already mentioned here or in one of the other FE threads (although,I know, it is not what this thread is about..) . The title says: "An Energy out of nothing", and the article bringing a long and intensive description of this device that apperantly produce more energy than it consumes, it also covered Rossi's 'problematic' past and the government attempts to discredit and withhold such knowledge from the public.
At one point, I would have support such advancment coming out, but today, I commented under this article -

" Andrea Rossi is not a 'believer', and not the a gullible person either, he is an abuser that tries to sell the public what suppose to be free - Air, Oxygen, Hydrogen, the atmosphere , all of it equals to free energy. the meaning of that is non-expendable energy that belongs to every living, breathing creature in this world. The governments, big corporations and oil companies are expansively selling what naturally belongs to everyone, and exists freely, while polluting and depleting our planet earth.This is a public fraud from the begginning. There are many scientists like Rossi, he certainly did not invent the wheel (the article talked about him as the sole crazy inventor of this half free energy device) , free energy exists and is kept in strict confidence by governments and the military, and many scientists like Tesla ended their lives in lack and poverty or buried underground in order that this wonderfull free and abundant option will not be spread out. To patent and try to monopolize something that is naturally belong to all living things, is a continuation of the largest fraud done on the back of humanity. There are some other type of scientists/inventors such as the late Brian O'Leary ,Deniss Lee, Wade Frasier that believe it needs to be completely free to the public, the governments tried to push them, but - "nothing lasts forever"... Could it be that this type of technology that will allow us to keep our house with mildly or without any costs already exist ? And in fact the implications are much larger than that .. What will the oil companies do than? "

There might be a certain benefit for reporting this type of information, or 'invention', because it makes people think in directions they never thought about, allowing them to be more aware. This is probably not any kind of substantial developement that will get our society out of being 'future ape fossils' or 'cancer in remission' but it might implant seeds of possibility in the minds of the herd (the herd does not appreciate finding out how much he was F**d ) , better yet is to KNOW the existance of ourself as energy beings as well as everything else. now, that will bring some results..


P.s

Next thing after persuing free energy, is persuing 'free time'... another resource in scarcity :-)

~ oh, the illusion.. ~

[sandy]

Dear Limor,

Wow, love the rebuttal to the article you read!! You planted some seeds for sure and I say HURRAY!! I do believe that most of the herd do know more and more that they are being f**ked but have resigned themselves to this perversion. To do other wise would take personal integrity and responsibility to evolve one's self.

Until Sugar Daddy becomes even more nasty and easy street is no longer available they will continue to believe in an external authority keeping their heads in the sand and blaming others for their asses being kicked more and more as time passes.

A friend just called me to tell me about going to listen to one of the Chilean Minor's tell his story. The biggest message he received was to never stop living and believing in life and a future. He said the Minor's would gather around and hug those who had become despondent or those who fought were put in the middle while being circled by the others and encouraged to hug one another to get passed their issues.

It was LOVE that got those fellows through and their intention to keep living and working toward a future that created their rescue. Couldn't ask for a better testament than that for what Wade is doing right here in this little corner of the world.

[CdnSirian]

Wade thanks again for taking the time to summarize what you are reading - and expressing your own input. Once in a while when I think of the potential of this species and planet with the use of FE, I flash back to the Apes in 2001, confronted with the Monolith - The Unknown.

FE is difficult to imagine. Yet we (who follow this thread) know we should imagine it, somehow, we must, as best we can.

Power to us.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Limor:

The way that Rossi is going about it is somewhat similar to how Dennis used to do it. Rossi comes from the tinkerer end of it, while Dennis was more from the entrepreneur/marketer/promoter end of it. Dennis had a billion dollar deal on the table long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#billion

I am not saying that Rossi is not on the right track, but I really don’t follow his work enough to know. I have a lot of sympathy for people trying what he is attempting, and I have an understanding of that path, but I don’t really want to watch (I have seen too much spilled blood already), but what I have seen from him - going after patents, secret sauce ingredients, exclusive dealers, chasing corporate America and the like - is an approach that I all-too-familiar with, and I let Brian O know it when he was thinking that Rossi had a chance. Rossi has not begun to get to the hard part yet. Brian eventually began supporting open source FE technology. He chased benevolent philanthropist interest for many years (“benevolent philanthropist” is an oxymoron ). I think that he eventually realized that benevolent inventors were more important. I have never met an inventor with the goods willing to open source it. That is part of the problem.

I highly doubt that such an approach like Rossi’s has a prayer, but it is a free world, sort of. I am trying to do something radically different. I don’t know if it will work, either, but I never saw anybody try it before, and what I am trying to amass has been a key missing feature of all efforts that I have ever seen. There needs to be a nucleus of an aware, caring and informed public. People who know the score, are not distracted by craziness in the world, and who can focus on what really matters, are what I seek. If we don’t solve the energy issue, and pronto, the rest won’t matter. That nugget of heart-centered sentience that I am trying to amass has never been seen before on this planet.

I am getting offers left and right to speak publicly, be on TV, do interviews, etc. I’ll probably do some of it, but I am trying to follow my agenda, not somebody else’s. I recently responded to somebody who wanted me to join an international effort, to help wake up the naïve, asleep sheeple. That is not my bag, but most of the offers are along those lines. I see many efforts out there that cater to about a third-grade mentality on this stuff. I am aiming a lot higher, but that approach can devolve into a bunch of pipe-smoking navel contemplators, the kind that fill academia. We don’t need any more of that, either.

When I began to engage the public again several years ago, I tried places like ATS:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll1

because they have at least broken out of some of the herd conditioning. But ATS is infested with trolls, and when the trolls ganged up on me, ATS actually banned me, which lends to the suspicion that ATS is really a disinfo mill. But conspiracists miss the boat, too, in many ways. They are united with the pipe-smoking structuralists in their victim-oriented perspective:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

and that is really the root of the problem. Both are victim-and-fear-oriented perspectives. Only a loving and creator-oriented perspective is going to crack this nut, IMO.

Nice post and story, Sandy.

Hi CdnSirian.

Ah, yes, the apes. Not sure how fictional 2001 is. We’ll see what I turn all of that reading into. Yes, keeping our mind focused on it is hard to do. In my interviews with Scott, I once said that the gulf between what can be and what is is simply too much for average people to handle, so stuff like FE and its potential is called crazy. That is Godzilla’s greatest triumph, that when FE comes up and its potential, it is all dismissed with a wave of the hand, called too good to be true, and so on. We are our own prison guards. That is why I state that thinking that your family, friends and associates will light up in recognition when you mention FE is wishful thinking, and dangerous. Heck, I can’t bring up FE with my relatives. It is all so weird to them, and the traumas that my family endured due to my journey was rather extreme, so nobody wants to broach the subject. It gets talked about at family gatherings about as much as my cousin does who brutally murdered his infant son, as in not at all. And when people do decide to listen and not dismiss it, that can be worse. One pal turned his relative onto me and FE. After a couple of conversations about Wade’s World, the man ended up in a rubber room, and I got blamed for sending him off the deep end, and all we did is talk a few times. Your feet have to be planted firmly on the ground to even think about FE.

Going to bed now,

Best,

Wade

[jcocks]

Hi Wade..

I was looking through Kerry Cassidys website the other day, and have come across some interesting information about other companies/organizations working towards plasma fusion technology...

One was mentioned in an interview between Gordon Duff and Mike Harris of repubic broadcasting :

http://projectcamelotproductions.com...rris040912.mp3

Interstingly, they seem to be working with the Iranian government....

The other is an organization called the Keshe Foundation, started by a man by the name of M.T. Keshe

www.keshefoundation.com

Interestingly again, he is of Iranian descent. It seems they are very heavily involved in this area at this time...

The latter is the most intersting link, as he sounds very much to be a level 12er, with the right knowledge to actually get the FE ball rolling.... Kerry will be doing a live interview with him next week, which I will be listening to with great interest.

He also have a discussion board in which he seems to actively participate in. I will be joining up and taking part.

I'm cautiously optimistic that something may actually come of this. I gues its still possible that godzilla could rear his ugly head and smash these movements before they have a chance to take off, but the more who get involved, and if they can get some of the non-aligned governments (non-aligned with the us-godzilla factions) involved it will become very difficult for Godzilla to do so without getting a *LOT* of attention....

The trick is for him to get the information out there as far and as wide as he can as fast as he can......

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Sandy, what a heart touching story (Chilean minors) ,It seems as if we humans sometimes know instinctively what is needed, when becoming fulfilled with strengh and with healing energy precisely in difficult moments. the LOVE and caring is there all the time, it is simply hidden in order to hold on in this rough world. I know about this personally, love has not come easy to me .

I am afraid for now, they did not add my comment to appear under the article (it was on moderated status), I forgot that my home IP adress is blocked ( I had sent in the past very subtle responses that included the word 'government' in them.. :) but I am usually not much interested in commenting on talkbacks), I will try again in a couple of hours from one of the eight computures at work.

Hello Wade, you seem to work with the 'elimination method' , whatever did not work for you and others in the past is not the way.
They say - "Experience brings wisdom", my question is -is it possible that what jcocks implies that - 'our strengh is in numbers', might have not worked in the past, but has the potential to work now, when certain changes in awarness are happening. it seem to somewhat work in other areas like the growing lack of confidence in the government, finances and there is also a small awakening in the health arena - more and more people are seeking the alternative way. I can guess what your answer might be, I also think that everyone who routinely find interest in this thread can associate abundance, flow of energy together with the love vibration with free energy , but for now, this is still an un-common route. what are your current feelings about it - is 'our strength in numbers' might work now, or a 'few holding the vision' with an inner knowing of what FE is all about, wich one has the most potential to bring the FE into implementation?

It might not be possible not to appreciate and have value and respect towords all the inventors and scientists working on free energy devices, it will have an overwhelming effect on our life as it is, most importantly, on the health of our planet. it's just that the notion of a profit and a patent written on the name of one person, is somewhat contradicting in my mind to the understanding of plenty and abundance for all. some will accuse this thought as naivete, but so be it. We can learn a lot from our neighbors out there (what to do, and what not to do..) , we need to aspire to be our best version of ourselves and behave like it.

off to work

Have an enjoyable day to all,

(and thanks for understanding my English :)

~^&*~^&*

Limor

[jaybee]

Posted by jcocks (here)

The other is an organization called the Keshe Foundation, started by a man by the name of M.T. Keshe

www.keshefoundation.com

Interestingly again, he is of Iranian descent. It seems they are very heavily involved in this area at this time...

The latter is the most intersting link, as he sounds very much to be a level 12er, with the right knowledge to actually get the FE ball rolling.... Kerry will be doing a live interview with him next week, which I will be listening to with great interest.

He also have a discussion board in which he seems to actively participate in. I will be joining up and taking part.

I'm cautiously optimistic that something may actually come of this. I gues its still possible that godzilla could rear his ugly head and smash these movements before they have a chance to take off, but the more who get involved, and if they can get some of the non-aligned governments (non-aligned with the us-godzilla factions) involved it will become very difficult for Godzilla to do so without getting a *LOT* of attention....

The trick is for him to get the information out there as far and as wide as he can as fast as he can......

Thanks for that jcocks....I look forward to the Mehran Keshe interview with Kerry.

cheers


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[Wade Frazier]

Hey guys:

I dealt with Keshe on this thread more than once already, most recently, here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post461583

Rossi and Keshe are merely the aspirants of the hour:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post461803

Hi Limor:

When it is the same approach over and over, with patents, secret sauce ingredients, and so on, call me unimpressed. I don’t think that approach will work because it is not aligned with the kind of world that it can bring about. The approach that those people are trying literally has a success rate of 0-for-50,000. Godzilla takes such efforts out almost in his sleep, and rarely needs to lift a claw, because they will usually be taken out by themselves, their allies, or the local energy gangsters before Godzilla needs to roll out of bed. Trying to make FE happen via the capitalistic path is doomed, extremely so. Strength in numbers is what Level 12 is all about, but not numbers playing the lowest-common-denominator games of self-interest (which is what patents and secret sauce games are). There is nothing different in the approaches that Keshe and Rossi are taking that has not been tried literally tens of thousands of times before. Part of that approach has to do with the human ego, as in: “Where everybody else failed with that approach, I will succeed.” That is like those immortal-feeling boys who are used as cannon fodder:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#business

As I repeat over and over, the day that an inventor with the goods is willing to give it to a worthy group, the inventor path will interest me. I have never met that inventor, and that worthy group does not yet exist. Keshe and Rossi come across as very naïve and unworldly. That is no crime – we all start out that way – but on this playing field, it is a prescription for disaster. I have already seen way too many wrecked and prematurely-terminated lives on that path, and don’t really want to watch more naïve inventors trying to scale the ramparts.

Best,

Wade

[jcocks]

Yeas but he says he is willing to gift the technology, that he does not want payment...

I will still watch the latest developments with interest.

[Wade Frazier]

An audience is fine, and talk is cheap. He has yet to demonstrate anything other than reactions in coke bottles.