Church of MMS?

[TomKat]

Jim Humble's MMS is in the news:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-miracle-cure

[ramus]

Posted by TomKat (here)
Jim Humble's MMS is in the news:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-miracle-cure

Hey TomKat how about a lead-in to the article. A brief paragraph or something.

[Bill Ryan]

Jim Humble registered The Genesis 2 Church of Health & Healing as a way of seeking to become exempt from legislation restricting the healing protocols they offer and promote.

For a lot more on MMS (which really can work miracles sometimes), here are some other threads:

• Jim Humble
• Has anyone tried MMS1 or MMS2?
• I want to try MMS, but my girlfriend thinks it's poison
• May we know how safe is MMS from people who have been taking it?

[ramus]

The Clymer Clinic in Quakertown P.A. was injecting bleach into the veins in the Early 70's. The clinic still exists . Don't know if that is still practiced. This has been around a long time. Makes one think that there is some validity to it.

[Justplain]

MMS can be effective. It helps as an antifungal and antibacterial agent. My family has successfully used it as a toenail fungus cleanser, skin rash healer and mouthwash. However, when we tried to use mms to help with my mother-in-law's breast cancer, she couldn't handle the taste/body reaction, so we turned to other methods utilizing high doses of tumeric, echanecea, vitamin c and cannabis oil, which have helped keep the disease in check.

MMS can work, and it helps with a variety of ailments, but its not always useful, so alternate treatments are always good to keep in mind. MMS is an essential healing tool in the naturopathic kitbag.

Regarding the church business, keeping what Bill mentions above in mind helps understanding what that is all about. I believe The organization was finding it hard to get treatment to areas where malaria and cholera were endemic, and use the 'church' cover to get inside those affected territories to help provide treatment, which apparently has had a positive effect.

[Tomkoyote]

The <Chlorine Dioxide=Bleach> propaganda has been going on for years with a periodic resurgence; I noticed lately a new wave of articles re-attacking CD in the last few months. The rhetoric is always the same Chlorine Dioxide=Bleach. There was a video on YT by Kerri Rivera & Dr. Seneff (demonstrating how Chlorine Dioxide destroys Glyphosate), the video was censored by YT a few weeks ago.
Bleach, Sodium Hypochlorite ie NaClO, is a known carcinogen.
Chlorine Dioxide is ClO2, a pathogen killer.
Is ClO2 = NaClO ???
I have been using CD for the last 6 years internally and externally on a regular basis. In the last 6 years, no doctor has seen my face and I haven't walked into a pharmacy, thereby saving a lot of money.

[Patrikas]

This is a typical Fake News story creating fear with misguiding information ,......been using MMS for 10 years daily ive seen many miralces... Unfortunatly i have found that one of the greatest detractors of this wonderfull mineral is a Rigid Mind...Cheers

[TomKat]

Posted by Patrikas (here)
This is a typical Fake News story creating fear with misguiding information ,......been using MMS for 10 years daily ive seen many miralces... Unfortunatly i have found that one of the greatest detractors of this wonderfull mineral is a Rigid Mind...Cheers

I used up a bottle of it about 10 years ago. Don't remember much effect from it. 10 years prior I did the hydrogen peroxide therapy and got more from that.

[CurEus]

It is just fear mongering and propaganda from media. CBC Canada ( Our version of BBC) runs hit pieces a few times a year.....MMS will neutralise many pathogens and pesticides. IF taken correctly.

[enfoldedblue]

Sorry but I must agree with this article. I initially was very open to this treatment. I ordered a bottle, joined the forum and began following the protocol for MS. I felt horrible within a few day, but put it down to a herx reaction and soldiered on. Nearing the end of the protocol, now feeling near death, I went to see my osteopath. The minute I walked in she exclaimed "What is going on, your whole .energy field is gray!" I still continued to the end, but saw zero positive results and ended up having to spend months healing from the damage done.

So that was my personal experience, but there were other things on the forum that I thought were very unethical. For example one woman who was using it to heal her mothers cancer had been extremely positive and excited to see the results. However,after months on the protocol tests showed that her mother's condition had become much worse. She of course was very disappointed by the results as her mother was now close to death. Some people on the forum made some other suggestions that they felt might help the dying woman. However, very quickly a head mod swooped in and stopped people from recommending anything other than MMS. I was quite shocked by this as the woman who had completely followed the protocol was dying. It seemed almost evil to restrict people from sharing other information that might potentially help her.

[Daozen]

Chlorine Dioxide is used by the military. It's used to clean municipal water supplies, and is also used as water purification drops. Freedom of choice reigns. If the Guardian mislead people about this they deserve to have their circulation plummet.

And look at them crawling and begging for donations at the base of each page. Hahaha.

Floppy fringe gatekeepers for the left.

[seko]

I have been using it for ten years still using it today and always good.
My mother had arthritis and was in pain every time the winter season came, now she is fine, no pain in her wrists or legs or fingers.

I have seen people with diseases like prostate cancer, breast cancer, cysts and getting back to normal with MMS.

I have good things to say about it about MMS

[Carmody]

The most important thing of all to know is that intelligence has to be be applied to the idea of it, before the MMS is applied. To understand what it is supposed to do, what it can do and what the dosages should be and so on. It's not a simple cure-all pill. Nothing is.

[spade]

Youtube also took down stuff on Turpentine! Guess these both work. Pine Tree Oil also works for austistic kids.

[ThePythonicCow]

Someone asked Bill about MMS, over on his Personal Questions thread.

This prompted some further thoughts from me ... which I thought more appropriate to post one of the the recently active MMS threads ... such as this one.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

1. The way it [MMS] does work, when it does, may not yet be properly understood, even by Jim Humble himself.

From the looks of my posting record here on Avalon, I've been working with chlorine dioxide (ClO₂, aka MMS) on and off for the last eight years.

As I continue to get a better sense of how it works and what it can do, I have developed a hypothesis to explain its chemistry, and have been able to develop more uses for it.

My current sense is that ClO₂, as normally made, is dissolved in water as a gas ... small neutral molecules in the water (or blood or other fluid.) In a pH neutral or basic solution, these molecules are chemically rather inert, but will out-gas at room temperatures and pressures into the atmosphere, with a half life on the order of tens of minutes or hours, depending on concentrations and such.

But in an acidic (low pH) environment, which means in close proximity to positively charged electron stealing atoms or molecules (aka an electron thief), the ClO₂ molecule will disassociate fairly easily (at relatively low voltages.) This will place three separate atoms, a chlorine and two oxygen, in the solution. Apparently the chlorine atom will steal back an electron from the electron thief, and ends up as a negatively charged chloride ion, which is abundant in the body's fluids, and quite harmless. I don't have a theory yet to explain whether or not this produces some chlorinated compounds, which are frequently toxic, and if not, why not.

This disassociation also leaves a couple of free oxygen atoms, available to oxidize whatever they can find first, such as perhaps the toxin that made the local environment acidic in the first place.

The net result, in any case, is that oxidizing agents are delivered exactly where usually wanted when treating various germs, viruses, and many other toxins. ClO₂ is inert in "healthy" body interstitial fluids, which tend to be basic, but turns into a biocompatible oxidant, when in the close proximity of most toxins (which are usually toxic just because they are electron thieves, aka "acidic".)

When mixed with some dilute DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide), then ClO₂ is (even more) readily absorbed into soft tissues, which has enabled me to temporarily treat a dental infection, by swishing about 15 ml (1 Tbsp) of that solution around in my mouth for a few minutes, until I can arrange a longer term dental treatment. I include a gram or so of xylitol and/or erythritol in the 15 ml mix, for taste.

When allowed to evaporate at low concentrations into the air, ClO₂ does a good job of removing musty smells in a room that hasn't been cleaned in a while. At higher concentrations in the air, ClO₂ damages lung tissue (the one body tissue that apparently doesn't like ClO₂. At even higher concentrations, such as might more commonly be found when using ClO₂ in municipal water treatment, ClO₂ becomes dangerously explosive ... which is seldom "as intended."

When mixed with some dilute DMSO, then ClO₂ is a good remedy for a wasp bite. While cleaning out the afore mentioned musty room a month ago, I was bitten by a wasp that apparently my unusual bustling activity upset. I immediately made and applied this DMSO mixed with ClO₂ remedy, letting it soak into my stung finger for a few minutes. A couple hours later, I could no longer figure out which finger the wasp had stung. All symptoms were totally gone.

For those of us who are comfortable figuring out chemical proportions and protocols, one can make ClO₂ quite economically, starting with technical grade sodium chlorite flakes (which have about 80% sodium chlorite, 20% sodium chloride), and bottles of hydrochloric acid (I get 10% concentration, and dilute down to 4% as needed, as 10% is more easily purchased, but 4% is more convenient to use in typical ClO₂ protocols.)

For those are not comfortable and competent in such home chemistry, this can harm one's lungs for a couple of days, and/or blow a room up ... beware.

A more convenient and less risky source of ClO₂ materials would be such sites as https://wps4sale.com/, or one of several other such sites such as listed at https://wps.land/

There is an increasing variety of "over-the-counter" ClO₂ products, but those are more expensive and less effective than making your own as needed. The short shelf life of pure pre-made ClO₂ solutions, combined with their poor taste and smell, and their potential harmful effects if misused or mishandled, requires compromises in these products. The lack of anything patentable in basic ClO₂ chemistry ensures that no major pharmaceutical company is going to make a big push to develop ClO₂ based products that would only displace their more profitable, less effective, patent medicines.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Paul, do you have any thoughts about the shelf life of MMS purchased as sacraments from the church?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
Paul, do you have any thoughts about the shelf life of MMS purchased as sacraments from the church?

The two raw ingredients, sodium chlorite solution and the activator (citric or hydrochloric acid) should have very long shelf lives, so far as I know.

I expect that the dry technical grade sodium chlorite flakes and the hydrochloric acid solution that I have on a shelf, in seldom opened containers, as well as the two commonly sold 4 ounce bottles of solution that I have in my refrigerator, will have a shelf life longer than that of my own body ... long enough for my needs.

But I have not studied this question all that carefully, so I could easily be wrong.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

It appears that keeping the two MMS bottles in the refrigerator is your recommendation. Thank you.

[Justplain]

Hi Paul, what proportions do you mix the NaCl with HCl?

And regarding how/why mms is effective, this interview is very interesting (from the glyphosate thread) :

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BZ33PcO4pXo

[East Sun]

Where can I purchase MMS?

I know it's complicated but I would purchase it
regardless of the implications involved.

Thanks in advance.

ES