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    Mandatory Vaccines For Children. It is being voted on soon!
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    I feel very sad today at this development.

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    New York Ends Religious Exemptions For Required Vaccines
    June 13, 20195:26 PM ET
    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a bill Thursday ending vaccination exemptions based on religious beliefs, the latest attempt to address the growing measles outbreak, the worst the U.S. has experienced in decades.

    Cuomo said plugging the loophole should help contain the spike in measles cases in New York, the state the hardest hit by the uptick in the contagious virus due to low vaccination rates in ultra-Orthodox communities.

    "The science is crystal clear: Vaccines are safe, effective and the best way to keep our children safe," Cuomo said after signing the bill. "While I understand and respect freedom of religion, our first job is to protect the public health and by signing this measure into law, we will help prevent further transmissions and stop this outbreak right in its tracks."

    The Democratic-controlled Legislature approved the measure, which also eliminates other nonmedical exemptions for schoolchildren across the state.

    "We are facing an unprecedented public health crisis," said Sen. Brad Hoylman, the legislation's sponsor. "The atrocious peddlers of junk science and fraudulent medicine who we know as anti-vaxxers have spent years sowing unwarranted doubt and fear, but it is time for legislators to confront them head-on."

    The exemption, which exists in some form in most states, allows parents of schoolchildren to cite their religious beliefs in opting their kids out of required vaccines. Supporters of keeping the religious exemptions say religious freedom should not be overpowered by state laws.

    After the final vote tally was announced in the assembly, howling protesters, including the parents of unvaccinated children, filled the chamber, chanting "shame on you," until lawmakers moved to recess.

    New U.S. Measles Cases Break 25-Year-Old Record, Health Officials Say
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    New U.S. Measles Cases Break 25-Year-Old Record, Health Officials Say
    Assembly member Patricia Fahy echoed Cuomo's stance before casting a vote in support of the measure. "When we put the rest of the public at risk," she said, individual choices to not vaccinate children become "another matter."

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last week that the number of new measles cases this year has exceeded 1,000, the highest count in 27 years.

    Most of those new measles cases have been concentrated in ultra-Orthodox areas of New York, including Rockland County and parts of Brooklyn, adding urgency to the statewide debate around religious exemptions to vaccines.

    The New York Assembly narrowly passed the bill by a 77-53 vote. It needed 76 votes for passage. Lawmakers in the state Senate advanced the measure by a tally of 36-26.

    A small number of other states including California, Mississippi and Arizona have already passed laws banning vaccine exemptions on religious grounds.

    In New York, about 96% of students have been immunized against measles, mumps and rubella, yet "a measles outbreak continues to affect communities in several parts of the state where the rate is lower," according to state health officials.

    In the 2017-2018 school year, 26,217 students in New York, including those in public and private schools and children in day care and prekindergarten, had religious exemptions from vaccinations, officials said.

    "Although the state can claim high immunization rates overall, preventable diseases like measles remain a public health threat when administrative loopholes allow children to go unvaccinated, carrying the potential to harm communities — and especially our most vulnerable residents," said Dr. Howard Zucker, the commissioner of the state Department of Health.

    New York state Sen. John Liu, who represents Queens, said while he thinks removing the religious exemption is the right move, he has heard from constituents who hold "deep and sincere" religious beliefs who would be "absolutely outraged that anyone would suggest that they don't care about the health of their children." Liu suggested that the tenor of the debate on both sides could be more civil.

    "We can respectfully disagree," Liu said.

    The law eliminating religious exemptions takes effect immediately.

    Unvaccinated students will have up to 30 days to show school officials they have received their first dose of each required immunization.

    In April, New York City health officials declared a public health emergency because of the measles outbreak. Parents of unvaccinated children could be fined $1,000 for not complying with the order.

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    I am sure that others who are looking at this thread may have something to contribute? I am very sad today about the collusion between government and big business. Trump recently signed an executive order concerning GMOs that is very distressing. The evidence in New York suspiciously ties the legislation removing religious exemption with investment in Albany.

    BUT what is absolutely infuriating is that people have bought into a basic belief in their own illness and dependency on pharmaceuticals. People actually believe in the primacy of vaccination over the right to speak and the right to determine the bodily experiences we KNOW we have the right to maintain. IMO the audience that I would like to see feel passionate here is missing. I do not grok how this issue is not galvanizing people?

    All the material needed to self educate and understand is available for the moment. The way to "web browse" sources will not be found on the internet soon.

    WE are basically being divorced from NATURE (within and outside us) and turned into sickly creatures. I agree with RSB's perspective on our relationship to Creator.
    RSB is IMO worth viewing every day to center in the power we have to heal, to stand up for liberty and the stakes that exist politically biophysically and socially in ignoring the present developments. Know and use the truth or not, the truth IS truth.


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    Thecontrolgroup.org is attempting to gather surveys of the health status of 40,000 unvaccinated children. The assumption is that even if all other variables are different, vaccines are associated with definite health issues. The health surveys are confidential and subjectively filled out by parents. There are no scientifically double blind studies where some children received vaccines and others a real placebo. This kind of study is considered unethical.

    Those who have read the available research will discover that the "gold standard" of safety studies have not been done, because vaccines are categorized as "biologics" where the FDA does not require the safety studies of other pharmaceuticals.


    Website for the control group

    Interview with Joy Garner about the project on lost Arts Radio
    Quote 6/15/2019 The Control Group Project - Real Science On Vaccines With Joy Garner (on Brighteon)

    For many years, we have been told by the medical industry and their government agency business partners that it would be immoral to do any real testing on the health of vaccinated children compared to unvaccinated children. Why? Of course, because not vaccinating the control group is blatantly unfair and hurtful to them. We all know everyone needs as many vaccines as possible, and withholding any of them as an experiment would be abusive. Just total common sense, right?Joy Garner Vaccines Poster

    It's much like the argument of the vaccine companies, when they came to Congress and explained they were losing so much money in their business because parents of maimed and killed children damaged by their products (vaccines), as well as family members of maimed and killed adults, kept suing them which was ruining their profits. How inconsiderate of them! Without legal immunity, allowing vaccine companies to kill your children or you with no consequences, they would be forced out of business. And since everyone knows vaccines are the greatest medical breakthrough in 200 years, that they are safe and effective, that they eradicated polio, smallpox and many other terrible diseases, it only made sense for Congress to pass a law so you could not sue doctors or vaccine makers when their products killed your family members. Totally reasonable.

    So Congress said 'great, where do we sign up?', and the vaccine makers and lobbyists for the vaccine industry gladly showed them. They have had no legal or financial liability ever since. Reagan was the president who signed the immunity into law. The crimes against humanity that this immunity allows, continue to this day.

    But greatness lies in "ordinary" people, like for example, all of us. Like you. Like Joy Garner (www.thecontrolgroup.org). Joy decided, 'wait a minute!' (or translated into Canadian, 'hold the phone!'), we already have the control group. No need to deprive a single child of any vaccine to do the experiment, let's just check on the detailed health status of already non-vaccinated kids and compare what we find with national health statistics. Once that data is in the open for all to see, all kinds of new possibilities emerge that could save the kids of the future, and maybe even some alive right now. Want to see what Joy's project is uncovering?
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    Robert Scott Bell has a program that will update people on the medical industrial/government crack down. He was on youtube but today the video was made unavailable due to SME copyright violation. There is something VERY sinister happening fast and furious.

    I am personally not too worried as I am now at an age where I enjoyed all the food, had all the sex, enjoyed all the stuff and etc to make me replete with material life. Honestly, when my body goes dead, I will enjoy experiencing a new realm that I am certain exists. This makes me feel for me all really is well. I love what I love here but it won't ever call me back.

    When people have youth, unfulfilled dreams and children with a hope for life ahead, THIS crunch is a beginning oppression and possibly a deliberate kill switch slowly turned. The heel if ignored will just ground harder and given the silencing and EVEN here the willingness to argue over RIDICULOUS memes and shut down speech, well, the trend bodes ill.

    It disappoints me for humanity that in the case of this issue, people will act like they are not a potential target of coercion and agree to rabid hate and fear of trite issues while silencing others. Maybe this IS the end of the human line and IMO we have our own inability to think straight about priorities to blame.

    RSB is online here and here in case people listen to him with interest.

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    And if Constance looks on, IMO don't agree to the thought forms aimed at you ... they lie.
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    Vaccine hesitancy is based on experiences like this one:

    Quote CBS ” 60 MINUTES” documentary on the swine flu epidemic of 1976 in the U.S. It went on air only once and was never shown again. Watch this video documentary and listen to testimony of people who caught Gullian-Barre paralysis because of the swine flu vaccine. They sued the US government for damages.

    500 cases of Gullian-Barre paralysis, including 25 deaths—not due to the swine flu itself, but as a direct result of the vaccine. At the time President Gerald Ford, on advice from the CDC, called for vaccination of the ENTIRE population of the United States.


    Quote Retrospective: What Happened With Swine Flu in 1976
    By Jennifer Couzin-FrankelApr. 25, 2009


    Infectious disease specialist Edwin D. Kilbourne, now 88 and retired, was at the center of the last swine flu scare in the U.S. In 1976, a swine flu strain swept through Fort Dix, a military base in New Jersey. The virus infected about 500 soldiers, though not all got sick; one died. Kilbourne, then at Mount Sinai Medical School in New York City, specialized in developing vaccines to specific flu strains and was quickly recruited to help combat a feared swine flu epidemic. Forty million Americans were subsequently vaccinated against the virus, and several hundred developed a neurological condition, Guillain-Barré syndrome, fanning controversy about whether such extensive vaccination was necessary. Kilbourne spoke with ScienceInsider from his home in Connecticut earlier today. Parts of the interview were edited for clarity.

    Q&A after the jump.

    Q: What are your memories of that time?

    I’d been recombining, or resorting, influenza viruses for several years before that, to produce high-yielding influenza viruses [that could be developed into vaccines]. David Sencer, the director of the CDC who later had to resign [as a result of swine flu], was a friend of mine and put me on the advisory committee having to do with the Fort Dix situation. [Virus samples were] sent to me at my lab in Mount Sinai School of Medicine, where I was chair of microbiology. Within several weeks, we had a high-yielding virus [and] I had the vaccine virus made. … There was reason to be scared—we knew that a virus very similar to the swine flu had been present in 1918. That gave cause for great concern to those of us who knew something about the situation.

    Q: You believed it was important to have this vaccine?

    I believed it was important—this could have been the putative virus of 1918 for all we knew. [But] there were those violently opposed to the situation. I call it my 15 minutes of infamy. It got to be a bad word, swine flu. On the other hand, had we not had the vaccine and something had happened, who would be blamed? The entire medical profession.

    Q: What about adverse reactions to the vaccine?

    This was the largest field trial of a vaccine in history, carried out in 1976. There was no baseline for comparison of what is the normal occurrence of Guillain-Barré syndrome. People are arguing to this day whether [the vaccine] really had any effect on the incidence. There are a lot of things that cause Guillain-Barré.

    Q: Were you criticized for developing the vaccine?

    With cartoons, on news programs. … It was an interesting ride.

    Q: If you were advising those who are tackling the current swine flu, what would you tell them?

    The only thing I would have done differently in 1976, retrospectively, is to make the vaccine, promote the vaccine, but not give the vaccine until the last moment—but the problem with that is that you may be too late. By all means, find the prevalent strain, make a vaccine that can be used, and grow it in eggs, and then go with it. [But] I think it’s premature to do it [vaccinate] now.

    Q: Did you continue working on swine flu after 1976?

    Oh, sure. We used it in animal studies, it was used by people in other countries as a rapidly growing vaccine virus. It was an interesting virus.
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    NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS AS MANY VACCINES AS THE US.


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    I have liked this channel's discussions.... talking here about NY mandatory vaccine policy and the way that this connects with other issues aimed at trespass by the government into personal property (including the body) at 8:21:

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    Children's Health Defense is challenging the NY law removing religious exemptions

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    UPDATE!!!!! To be clear with this message, Children's Health Defense will be filing five law suits to address EVERY problem with the repeal law. Successful outcomes will benefit all New Yorkers. it is my suggestion CHD be the ONLY firm we support.
    SHARE LIKE OUR FREEDOM DEPENDS ON IT- BECAUSE IT DOES!
    Message from Children’s Health Defense Chairman Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

    Dear Friends Outraged by New York’s Repeal of the Religious Exemption Right:

    On Thursday, June 13, without even a hearing, the New York State legislature repealed the right to religious exemption from vaccination, and Governor Cuomo signed the measure into law, calling the situation “a public health emergency.” In thirty days, all partially and unvaccinated children will be official second-class citizens, unable to attend any school, public or private, or any camp.

    This extraordinary, unprecedented action is a gross violation of children’s and families’ rights to religion, an education, parenting according to one’s conscience, and informed and voluntary consent to medical procedures. While New York State has an unquestionable interest in public health, that interest may not overwhelm all other fundamental rights. Legislation affecting constitutional rights must be carefully and thoughtfully balanced, something that was impossible in the legislature’s and Governor’s rush to ram through the repeal.

    Children’s Health Defense (CHD) has been a leading advocate for children’s health and welfare for some time. It has devoted significant attention to the need for safer vaccines, as Congress called for in 1986 when it granted the pharmaceutical industry virtually blanket liability protection from vaccine injury. CHD supported intensive work to educate New York legislators on the need to preserve the religious exemption. Together with Robert Krakow and Patricia Finn, I represented plaintiffs in Brooklyn to challenge a mandate overriding lawful religious exemptions.

    I will challenge this repeal legislation in court. I am assembling a team of top flight attorneys to challenge this ill-conceived law on multiple grounds. While it is premature to spell out the CHD plan of attack, please know that I will help to bring the best legal talent available anywhere to overturn this unjust law.

    You can help. Please donate money to CHD to challenge the NYS repeal. Doing so is not only essential for the 26,000 children in New York affected by this draconian measure, it is critical for the country. With California and New York having enacted harsh, discriminatory and punitive laws, it is truly just a question of time before other states take a page out of New York’s book to ram through rights-stripping laws. We can fight this and win, but we need your help.

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    New York Ends Religious Exemptions For Required Vaccines
    June 13, 20195:26 PM ET
    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a bill Thursday ending vaccination exemptions based on religious beliefs, the latest attempt to address the growing measles outbreak, the worst the U.S. has experienced in decades.

    Cuomo said plugging the loophole should help contain the spike in measles cases in New York, the state the hardest hit by the uptick in the contagious virus due to low vaccination rates in ultra-Orthodox communities.

    "The science is crystal clear: Vaccines are safe, effective and the best way to keep our children safe," Cuomo said after signing the bill. "While I understand and respect freedom of religion, our first job is to protect the public health and by signing this measure into law, we will help prevent further transmissions and stop this outbreak right in its tracks."

    The Democratic-controlled Legislature approved the measure, which also eliminates other nonmedical exemptions for schoolchildren across the state.

    "We are facing an unprecedented public health crisis," said Sen. Brad Hoylman, the legislation's sponsor. "The atrocious peddlers of junk science and fraudulent medicine who we know as anti-vaxxers have spent years sowing unwarranted doubt and fear, but it is time for legislators to confront them head-on."

    The exemption, which exists in some form in most states, allows parents of schoolchildren to cite their religious beliefs in opting their kids out of required vaccines. Supporters of keeping the religious exemptions say religious freedom should not be overpowered by state laws.

    After the final vote tally was announced in the assembly, howling protesters, including the parents of unvaccinated children, filled the chamber, chanting "shame on you," until lawmakers moved to recess.

    New U.S. Measles Cases Break 25-Year-Old Record, Health Officials Say
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    New U.S. Measles Cases Break 25-Year-Old Record, Health Officials Say
    Assembly member Patricia Fahy echoed Cuomo's stance before casting a vote in support of the measure. "When we put the rest of the public at risk," she said, individual choices to not vaccinate children become "another matter."

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last week that the number of new measles cases this year has exceeded 1,000, the highest count in 27 years.

    Most of those new measles cases have been concentrated in ultra-Orthodox areas of New York, including Rockland County and parts of Brooklyn, adding urgency to the statewide debate around religious exemptions to vaccines.

    The New York Assembly narrowly passed the bill by a 77-53 vote. It needed 76 votes for passage. Lawmakers in the state Senate advanced the measure by a tally of 36-26.

    A small number of other states including California, Mississippi and Arizona have already passed laws banning vaccine exemptions on religious grounds.

    In New York, about 96% of students have been immunized against measles, mumps and rubella, yet "a measles outbreak continues to affect communities in several parts of the state where the rate is lower," according to state health officials.

    In the 2017-2018 school year, 26,217 students in New York, including those in public and private schools and children in day care and prekindergarten, had religious exemptions from vaccinations, officials said.

    "Although the state can claim high immunization rates overall, preventable diseases like measles remain a public health threat when administrative loopholes allow children to go unvaccinated, carrying the potential to harm communities — and especially our most vulnerable residents," said Dr. Howard Zucker, the commissioner of the state Department of Health.

    New York state Sen. John Liu, who represents Queens, said while he thinks removing the religious exemption is the right move, he has heard from constituents who hold "deep and sincere" religious beliefs who would be "absolutely outraged that anyone would suggest that they don't care about the health of their children." Liu suggested that the tenor of the debate on both sides could be more civil.

    "We can respectfully disagree," Liu said.

    The law eliminating religious exemptions takes effect immediately.

    Unvaccinated students will have up to 30 days to show school officials they have received their first dose of each required immunization.

    In April, New York City health officials declared a public health emergency because of the measles outbreak. Parents of unvaccinated children could be fined $1,000 for not complying with the order.

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