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    Oprah on 9 City Tour in 2020 to Promote Pfizer Vaccines
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    "Oprah will be on a nationwide tour in 2020 to promote Pfizer vaccines. This contrasts with Pfizer's being fined Billions for fraud and Oprah's former guests who have told her of the damage to their families due to vaccines. Also, there is evidence that Oprah had received a vaccine for pneumonia a few weeks prior to her coming down with pneumonia. Did Pfizer offer to sponsor her on her tour to keep her from speaking about the fact that their vaccine made here extremely ill? Parents are ready to protest her misguided vaccine advocacy at each stop on her tour:https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2493451517592427 "

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    Watch A Shot in the Dark documentary free on youtube
    A Shot in the Dark - (2020 Documentary)
    1/1/20
    "The truth about vaccines. Please share so the world can wake up. They hide videos like these for a reason, they do not want you to know what vaccines are doing to your health and your children's health. Please SHARE!"


    (A different documentary than Shots in the Dark, a documentary from 2011 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnxAsrAK2hw
    ... Though the theme is the same.
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    The HighWire with Del Bigtree is live now.
    1/13/20 12PM
    LIVE: THOUSANDS GATHER IN ANTICIPATION OF VOTE AT NJ STATE CAPITOL
    https://www.facebook.com/HighWireTal...1555984779551/
    "Continuing our all day coverage LIVE from Trenton, NJ where thousands have gathered in protest of #S2173, a bill aimed at removing religious exemptions for children in public school."

    #OccupyTrenton #JerseyStrong #S2713 #BeBrave #DelBigtree
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    The HighWire with Del Bigtree is live now.
    1/13/20 12PM
    LIVE: THOUSANDS GATHER IN ANTICIPATION OF VOTE AT NJ STATE CAPITOL
    https://www.facebook.com/HighWireTal...1555984779551/
    "Continuing our all day coverage LIVE from Trenton, NJ where thousands have gathered in protest of #S2173, a bill aimed at removing religious exemptions for children in public school."

    #OccupyTrenton #JerseyStrong #S2713 #BeBrave #DelBigtree
    That link quit for me but this is working... well now the first embedded works...

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/4395...00014254260918

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    It seems to take longer for the forum to post it when a video is live streaming.
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    It seems to take longer for the forum to post it when a video is live streaming.
    LIVE: THOUSANDS GATHER IN ANTICIPATION OF VOTE AT NJ STATE CAPITOL | PART 2
    Continuing our all day coverage LIVE from Trenton, NJ where thousands have gathered in protest of #S2173, a bill aimed at removing religious exemptions for children in public school.

    Still live as of this posting:

    LIVE: SENATE IN SESSION, PROTESTERS GROW LOUDER | PART 3
    New Jersey State Senate and Assembly are in session simultaneously, as a vote on controversial bill S2173/A3818 is imminent. Protesters outside are growing in numbers and volume.
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    Full article and videos here-
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-01-...ranscript.html

    VACCINE BOMBSHELL as U.N. health experts admit toxic vaccine ingredients are harming children worldwide – see video, transcript

    A Dec. 2, 2019 World Health Organization “Global Vaccine Safety Summit” video has been found and leaked to the world, revealing shocking admissions of the health hazards posed by vaccines and their toxic ingredients.

    A first-wave compilation of some of the more damning quotes was created by Del Bigtree’s “Highwire” organization, which posted the video to YouTube. Knowing that video would quickly be banned, we posted it to Brighteon.com, where “Highwire” is expected to launch a channel very soon.

    Some of the highlights:

    An admission that vaccine adjuvants increase cell death and damage to vaccine recipients:

    Dr. Stephen Evans, Professor of Pharmacoepidemiology – It seems to me that adjuvants multiply the immunogenicity of the antigens that they are added to, and that is their intention. It seems to me they multiply the reactogenicity in many instances, and therefore it seems to me that it is not unexpected if they multiply the incidence of adverse reactions that are associated with the antigen…

    Warnings about long-term effects from vaccine adjuvants:

    Dr. Martin Howell Friede – You are correct. As we add adjuvants, especially some of the more recent adjuvants, such as the ASO1, saponin-derived adjuvants , we do see increased local reactogenicity… The major health concern which we are seeing are accusations of long term, long term effects.

    Full article and videos here-
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-01-...ranscript.html
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    Full article and videos here-
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-01-...ranscript.html

    VACCINE BOMBSHELL as U.N. health experts admit toxic vaccine ingredients are harming children worldwide – see video, transcript

    A Dec. 2, 2019 World Health Organization “Global Vaccine Safety Summit” video has been found and leaked to the world, revealing shocking admissions of the health hazards posed by vaccines and their toxic ingredients.

    A first-wave compilation of some of the more damning quotes was created by Del Bigtree’s “Highwire” organization, which posted the video to YouTube. Knowing that video would quickly be banned, we posted it to Brighteon.com, where “Highwire” is expected to launch a channel very soon.

    Some of the highlights:

    An admission that vaccine adjuvants increase cell death and damage to vaccine recipients:

    Dr. Stephen Evans, Professor of Pharmacoepidemiology – It seems to me that adjuvants multiply the immunogenicity of the antigens that they are added to, and that is their intention. It seems to me they multiply the reactogenicity in many instances, and therefore it seems to me that it is not unexpected if they multiply the incidence of adverse reactions that are associated with the antigen…

    Warnings about long-term effects from vaccine adjuvants:

    Dr. Martin Howell Friede – You are correct. As we add adjuvants, especially some of the more recent adjuvants, such as the ASO1, saponin-derived adjuvants , we do see increased local reactogenicity… The major health concern which we are seeing are accusations of long term, long term effects.

    Full article and videos here-
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-01-...ranscript.html
    When you hear the whole meeting presentation, you see how the entire future of the vaccine program depends on adjuvants. They admit adjuvants do cause harm and will cause harm. Moreover they don't know how the multiplication of all these ingredients effect us.

    Everyone needs to hear this presentation and STOP the Mandatory Vaccine programs!!!!!!!!

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    What is an adjuvant?

    As I understand it, the adjuvant has two functions. The first is to delay the natural immune response and the second is to suppress the immune response. This gives the active portion of the vaccine time to spread through the tissues so that only certain immune cells can reach it, I believe T-cells and lymphocytes. These cells are the components that transcript the unique code of the active portion of the vaccine, and deliver them to the bone marrow for antigen production.

    Oh heck, now that I started I had better find a link...



    this one seems pretty good on anti-bodies



    the above vid deals with adjuvants
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    What is an adjuvant?

    As I understand it, the adjuvant has two functions. The first is to delay the natural immune response and the second is to suppress the immune response. This gives the active portion of the vaccine time to spread through the tissues so that only certain immune cells can reach it, I believe T-cells and lymphocytes. These cells are the components that transcript the unique code of the active portion of the vaccine, and deliver them to the bone marrow for antigen production.

    Oh heck, now that I started I had better find a link...



    this one seems pretty good on anti-bodies



    the above vid deals with adjuvants
    Thanks and watch this video from WHO


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    California Medical Doctor Explains How Doctors Receive No Medical Training on Vaccines – Indoctrination on Belief in Vaccines
    1/13/20
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/ca...f-in-vaccines/



    "Health Impact News

    Dr. Gary Foresman was recently interviewed by Polly Tommey on the VAXXED II tour bus.

    He starts out the interview by stating that he received no medical training regarding how vaccines work, or even what ingredients are contained in vaccines, only what the vaccine schedule was and how many vaccines to give to patients.

    Doctors don’t understand what is in a vaccine. We basically assume it’s saline, and some killed virus, or killed bacteria.

    Dr. Foresman compared today’s medical training, which forces most doctors into huge debts, as “the indoctrination, almost the indentured servitude of the average physician” coming out of medical school.

    He goes on to explain that doctors come out of their training wanting to think they have all the knowledge after spending so much money, and that it is hard for them to admit there are gaps in their knowledge.

    Today’s doctor, they’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars, and then when you go through medical school and residency, and you put your life on the line, you’ve been on call every four nights – you’ve had some of the worst nights of your life overnight in the ICUs, and I have, you do not like to come out of that training, and think you don’t have all the knowledge.

    So you start to act like you do. Even when you haven’t had training in that area.

    Dr. Foresman started his career pro-vaccine, because he was taught vaccines were the greatest thing for mankind, and you were not supposed to question it.

    It’s an indoctrination system.

    They (medical students) become very pro-vaccine because of the indoctrination process… towards a way of believing about medicine, more so than even understanding it.

    And that’s part of the fear we have about seeing MDs for everything.

    The average physician is a pre-programmed automaton who comes out of school with very little knowledge. They’re not trained on how to prevent disease almost at all.

    Dr. Foresman talks about how medical training is about how to diagnose diseases, not prevent them.

    Doctors are taught patho-physiology, meaning how to diagnose disease – not on how to prevent disease. Our key courses are about how to diagnose disease, and assuming they are there, not how to prevent them.

    The little bit we know about prevention is “I wish we had a vaccine for
    everything.” "

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    LIVE: THOUSANDS GATHER IN ANTICIPATION OF VOTE AT NJ STATE CAPITOL
    Continuing our all day coverage LIVE from Trenton, NJ where thousands have gathered in protest of #S2173, a bill aimed at removing religious exemptions for children in public school.
    For tonight the vote was blocked but though the gavel dropped, Sweeney could bring the vote back tomorrow. The protesters are alerted to watch and show up again. After tomorrow, the bill is dead....

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    Can anyone explain what it means that the "vote was blocked"? Is that the same as tied or they are still debating or..??? Thanks!
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    LIVE: THOUSANDS GATHER IN ANTICIPATION OF VOTE AT NJ STATE CAPITOL
    Continuing our all day coverage LIVE from Trenton, NJ where thousands have gathered in protest of #S2173, a bill aimed at removing religious exemptions for children in public school.
    For tonight the vote was blocked but though the gavel dropped, Sweeney could bring the vote back tomorrow. The protesters are alerted to watch and show up again. After tomorrow, the bill is dead....
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    Can anyone explain what it means that the "vote was blocked"? Is that the same as tied or they are still debating or..??? Thanks!
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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    LIVE: THOUSANDS GATHER IN ANTICIPATION OF VOTE AT NJ STATE CAPITOL
    Continuing our all day coverage LIVE from Trenton, NJ where thousands have gathered in protest of #S2173, a bill aimed at removing religious exemptions for children in public school.
    For tonight the vote was blocked but though the gavel dropped, Sweeney could bring the vote back tomorrow. The protesters are alerted to watch and show up again. After tomorrow, the bill is dead....
    The gavel was dropped before vote on the bill today. This was because the votes to pass the bill were lacking. There was some comment about "business" tomorrow and the warning was given that Sweeney could try the vote tomorrow if he can get the one or two swing votes he needs over night. Typically the bill would be considered dead already but the history of this bill has been highlighted by the underhanded strong arm Sweeney has employed. NJ is considered "home' of pharma. If the people win here by forcing the bill to be killed, this is a big deal psychologically and politically for the country.

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    Vote on NJ bill to bar certain vaccine exemptions stalled
    Top New Jersey lawmakers say a bill to end most religious exemptions for vaccines for schoolchildren failed to get enough support and was not formally given a vote
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    MIKE CATALINI Associated Press
    January 13, 2020, 5:53 PM
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    (Bold letters my emphasis--looks like it's not over yet in NJ. )
    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...rtain-68254732

    Melissa Koscielniak wears syringes all over her body during a protest at the state house in Trenton, N.J., Monday, Jan. 13, 2020. New Jersey lawmakers are set to vote Monday on legislation to eliminate most religious exemptions for vaccines for schoolchildren, as opponents crowd the statehouse grounds with flags and banners, including some reading "My Child, My Choice." (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)
    The Associated Press
    "TRENTON, N.J. -- New Jersey lawmakers postponed an expected vote on a bill to eliminate most religious exemptions for vaccines for schoolchildren saying they lacked the votes, and leading to raucous cheers from opponents who had encircled the Statehouse with flags, bullhorns and banners.

    Democratic Senate President Steve Sweeney and Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg said late Monday that there was a lot of “misinformation" getting around, leading to lawmakers withholding support for the measure that had already passed in the Assembly.

    For the third time in a month, the opponents homed in on the capitol complex and lobbed argument after argument at state lawmakers, including that their religious freedom was being violated by the measure. When it became clear that the bill would not get a vote, they cheered and applauded so loudly that it could be heard inside the Senate chamber.

    "They can stand outside and ring sirens and beat pots and believe what they want to believe but our responsibility is to protect the larger residents of the state of New Jersey, and that's what we're going to do," Weinberg said.

    Monday was the final meeting of the Legislature's current session, with a new one beginning Tuesday. That means any bill would have to be reintroduced and wind its way through the process yet again.

    Sweeney promised to do that. He also said he would bring in medical doctors and other experts to respond to all the opponents' concerns.


    The legislation as initially written would have ended a religious exemption to vaccine requirements for children attending any school in the state, but lawmakers amended the bill last week to allow exemptions for pupils at private schools and for siblings of children who had vaccine-related injuries.

    Despite the last-minute changes, opponents crowded the Statehouse, even arranging for portable toilets to be brought in. They circled the building, and their chanting was so loud that it made the proceedings in the Senate chamber difficult to hear.

    “My choice, my God,” they chanted, along with signs that read: “I'm the parent. I call the shots" and “In God We Trust.”

    The crowd also broke out into song and prayer, including “The Star-Spangled Banner" and the Lord's Prayer.

    They argue that the measure infringes on their rights as parents to decide what's best for their children. They also say they oppose the amended bill because it helps only wealthier families who can afford to send their kids to private schools.

    Lawmakers who support the bill say it is necessary to keep children safe amid recent outbreaks of some vaccine-preventable diseases. They have criticized “misinformation and hysteria swirling” around the bill.

    If the bill becomes law, New Jersey would join five other states, including California and New York, to do away with a religious exemption.

    Every state requires some vaccines for students, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, but exemptions vary by state. Forty-five states and the District of Columbia allow for religious exemptions to immunizations, according to the conference.

    According to New Jersey's Health Department, there are about 14,000 students who had a religious exemption in 2018-2019. That's 2.6% of the total number of enrolled students.

    It's unclear whether Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy would support or reject the measure. His office did not return a message seeking comment.

    The bill gained traction last year amid a nationwide measles outbreak. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it was the greatest number of measles cases reported since 1992; New Jersey was among the hardest-hit states.

    Democrats will remain in control in the new session in Trenton, though they lost two Assembly seats and a Senate post in November's election. Both chambers must pass the bill Monday to send it to Murphy's desk."
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    This is a hard hitting 2 minutes


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    New Jersey bill to repeal religious exemptions died today
    From John Gilmore's email update today
    1/13/20
    ( Gilmore is Executive Director of Autism Action Network, so I'd say his assessment is probably accurate. Bold letters my emphasis.)
    "The New Jersey bill to repeal religious exemptions died today with the end of the session without a vote. A modified version of the bill was introduced a few days ago that would have done away with the religious exemption for public schools but allow them for private schools, prompting new opposition based on the obvious class and income preferences created by the bill.

    Thousands of people gathered at the New Jersey State House in Trenton today and kept up a continuous barrage of chants, songs, prayers and noise while both Houses held their last voting day of the session. Neither house voted on thre bill by the close of business, meaning that the votes to pass the bill weren't there and the leadership would not allow them to a vote on the floor they knew they would lose.

    Bill sponsor, and Senate President Steven Sweeney, said he will be introducing a new bill again when the new session for 2020 begins tomorrow, but Jersey legislature insiders says there is no chance a bill could be voted on tomorrow.

    This is an enormous win for the people of New Jersey, and a defeat for politicians who are more than happy to sell access to our children and the drug companies who would buy them. Hopefully, this will give pause to the efforts in Connecticut, Massachusetts and other states that are considering repealing religious and personal belief exemptions. "


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    Maybe it's time to celebrate after all...!
    Quote N.J. parents can still cite religion as a reason not to vaccinate kids after bill collapses
    Updated Jan 13, 2020;Posted Jan 13, 2020

    “We’re ready to go to war over this,” state Senate President Stephen Sweeney, D-Gloucester, told reporters after Monday’s voting session at the Statehouse in Trenton. “We will pass this bill. This is about public health. It’s about protecting people.”

    The decision to abandon the measure is a win for the thousands of vaccine-wary families who have flooded lawmakers’ office phone lines and protested loudly at the Statehouse four times since December.

    The bill (S2173) would have eliminated religion as a recognized reason for parents to avoid getting their children the vaccinations required to attend day care and schools in New Jersey. It would also give the state Health Department the authority to define what would qualify as a medical exemption.

    But opponents claimed the bill is a dangerous government overreach and would have usurped their rights as parents and violated their freedom of religious expression.
    there were several legislators who came out to speak to the people protestoing during the time I watched. They each said they have never seen anything like it during their careers. Then Sweeney has the gall to call war on the people of NJ. The common idea is that behind any one protester, five or more have the same stand on the issue. If 4,000 came to Trenton, then 20,000 are strongly opposed to removing religious exemption.

    I am sure people have seen Sweeney's statement that the presence of fetal tissue was once the reason for religious exemptions. Now there are no fetal cells, he said. I saw a version where an onlooker tried to say "That is incorrect" and he bristled and repeated his adamant claim. He should have pulled the bill based on his own argument as soon as he was corrected by the science.



    But these events are showing so clearly that public health is defined in a new way as a war on human beings bodies to enrich the medical industrial complex. It's the fractal of WAR that enriches the arms (pharms) manufacturers that is the enemy IMO. We have to use the tactics of mass rebellion.
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    Dr. Foresman talks about how medical training is about how to diagnose diseases, not prevent them.

    Doctors are taught patho-physiology, meaning how to diagnose disease – not on how to prevent disease. Our key courses are about how to diagnose disease, and assuming they are there, not how to prevent them.

    The little bit we know about prevention is “I wish we had a vaccine for
    everything.” "
    I cringe when I wonder if I was ever the last link in a chain of vaccine injury? I saw a tweet that made me chilled and emotional and that I can't forget.

    A mother tweeted about the last day her child ever spoke. It mentioned a nurse who gave an injection and gave her child a sticker. Her child said "Thank You." These were the last words ever spoken.

    I feel that maybe when I have a life review, I will need to feel the pain of all those who were hurt by me in my "good job". I think there is a SOLID reason that Physicians are told: "First, to do no harm" (and by extension their hand maidens). It will not be forgotten that we caused deliberate harm. Hell is paved with good intentions!


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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)

    Dr. Foresman talks about how medical training is about how to diagnose diseases, not prevent them.

    Doctors are taught patho-physiology, meaning how to diagnose disease – not on how to prevent disease. Our key courses are about how to diagnose disease, and assuming they are there, not how to prevent them.

    The little bit we know about prevention is “I wish we had a vaccine for
    everything.” "
    I cringe when I wonder if I was ever the last link in a chain of vaccine injury? I saw a tweet that made me chilled and emotional and that I can't forget.

    A mother tweeted about the last day her child ever spoke. It mentioned a nurse who gave an injection and gave her child a sticker. Her child said "Thank You." These were the last words ever spoken.

    I feel that maybe when I have a life review, I will need to feel the pain of all those who were hurt by me in my "good job". I think there is a SOLID reason that Physicians are told: "First, to do no harm" (and by extension their hand maidens). It will not be forgotten that we caused deliberate harm. Hell is paved with good intentions!

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    I would give you a great big hug & thank you right now if I could! Thank you for your caring and activism on this subject Delight.

    I have a lot of guilt about signing a consent form for vaccinating my daughter at the hospital when she was only one day old. The doctor waved me down in the hallway and pushed the papers at me & asked me to sign them... I was fatigued and overwhelmed at being a new father, and I stupidly signed the papers. Knowing what I do now, I still have a lot of guilt over that - my one job as a new father to protect his child and I failed. She grew up a happy child with no permanent damage, but oh how I wish I could have that moment back...

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