Is failed disclosure due to our economy rather than fear of mass panic?

[Nasu]

I wondered something today and wanted to float it here for dissection.

We value stuff as a human civilization, the stuff we value we trade with or for, for other things of greater or lesser value. We use this stuff to live and thrive and nourish ourselves and to travel and build with or to power stuff or to beautify the spaces we inhabit. This simple concept is one of the fundamental corner stones of our civilization here on Earth. Without this value system in place we would, at least temporarily, stop or end as a civilization, a reset if you prefer.

Since so much of what we value is determined by our current needs and wants, we have created value in things that should really not have much value, but due to economic needs and market demands and tolerances, they have great value, diamonds being a good example.

So preamble over, here's my thought; Gold is the base stuff or commodity that all other stuff or commodities are measured and valued against. However, here in lies the rub, surely an open dialog with ANY visiting alien race would overnight bring into sharp focus the fact that gold is worthless to trade with. Bananas most likely would have more value in our galaxy as a rare commodity.

Gold on the other hand is a byproduct of a star as it supernovas, the resulting gold is spat out into the surrounding galaxy to land on meteorites and planets including our own. In other words, gold is one of the most common elements in our local universe, most likely outside of our galaxy as well.

So ergo, open communications with other worlds would in theory crash OUR world economy over night. What are your thoughts? My own feeling is that this is a more potent and pragmatic reason for a lack of disclosure than merely a fear of public panic.…x… N

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I think you are absolutely over the target with this. Not only gold, but also oil and the energy market in general.

The energy market is the largest market on Earth, and if new energy technology were released (such as what "anti-gravity" craft use), it would have devastating long-term effects on the oil, coal, and other industries. We will still need oil for plastics and other things, but the demand would decrease so dramatically as the technology were introduced, that the days of colossal oil barons and all the rest would effectively be over.

Society as a whole would benefit from these new technologies, as usual, but the entrenched industrialists would absolutely lose a source of power over entire nations. Oil was also used to keep the dollar as the world reserve currency, remember.

[KiwiElf]

Common denominators for both; J P Morgan/Rothschild vs Tesla - (the first two being heavily invested in Banking/Federal Reserve, energy and oil - not to mention countless wars to acquire and maintain. ANYthing to do with Free Energy MUST be suppressed).

Is that why they had to get rid of Tesla?

(Imagine where we would be now if we'd followed Tesla's examples a Century ago)?

[Intranuclear]

I can't imagine it is as simple as economic issues.
Lets start from a simple question.
Why do the aliens/craft/beings not show themselves publicly?

Possible answers are quite varied, but clearly there is a clandestine component strongly implied.
1. Some aliens seem to be in the hybridization business, in which case they absolutely will not want themselves known until such time as they determine it is safe.
See David Jacobs - Walking Among US ---- they call it the "Change" which evidently is coming soon (whatever that means).

2. If time travelers (assuming it is even possible), then most certainly they cannot afford to mess things up.

3. Explorers/drones from other civilizations: for sure they will want to study without interference - so they will be as random and unpredictable and elusive as possible.

4. Conquerors or empire builders: they would want to see who else they are dealing with before they make a move. Anecdotal evidence suggests past wars over us so caution is advised.

5. Benign advanced beings: Most certainly they would take time and butt in once in a while to nudge us in a certain direction.

6. Beings from other dimensions (whatever that means): Difficulty establishing direct communications. Kind of like trying to teach ants to build spaceships. What's the point?

7. Most likely all of the above: in such a case no government or group would even know how to disclose this since no one can even comprehend the whole picture. So what would they disclose without having to suffer billions of questions and show themselves how incompetent they are. Who in political position really understand much about science?

After all, humans have tried to suppress science for thousands of years. See Galileo or Copernicus or countless others for references.
Why did the Church suppress humanity for such a long time?
My answer is control.
Why does China suppress so much of what we call simple knowledge?
My answer is that if you were China and had to deal with 1.2 billion people (4x the population of US) where most are poor, and you have to deal with global trade to grow, you have to control your people somehow. Controlling information is the best way to do that.

Also there is even a more important question.
These advanced technologies cannot possibly be benign. The energies or knowledge implied suggest most horrible outcomes if not desperately controlled. Like imagine giving tactical nukes to every child.
Imagine giving gene altering technology to children who can easily convert viruses to generate a host of globally infections mutations or worse - a most horrible and quick death to all - or even worse yet - tailored viruses to wipe out whatever they consider undesirables. Given that to every group some other group is undesirable, all would be wiped out. Of course, this kind of tech is already cheaply available: see CRISPR.

Knowledge is not just helpful, it is dangerous.

People talk of free energy, but if energy was free and everyone used electrical devices much more so then they do now, where will all the HEAT go? This is already a problem, but imagine accelerating this 10 or 100 times.

Also, evidently, advanced spaceship tech requires mind/machine interfaces requiring almost living computers billions or trillions of times faster and programmed to understand intention. What would you do with such computers? What wouldn't you do???

Even if aliens/ufos/etc were not here (and most certainly they are), we are on the verge of total annihilation. Every country seems to be on each other's throats.

The problems of uncontrolled growth are NEVER EVER desirable regardless of any positive aspects.

Of course I have not even mentioned supernova explosions, or galactic waves, or asteroids, or comets, or overpopulation, or climate change, or automation/AI, or countless other issues, except in this sentence .

[section9]

Part of it is control, of course.

Part of it is the fact that the elites understand how the Atlanteans destroyed themselves.

[Arak]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
I think you are absolutely over the target with this. Not only gold, but also oil and the energy market in general.

The energy market is the largest market on Earth, and if new energy technology were released (such as what "anti-gravity" craft use), it would have devastating long-term effects on the oil, coal, and other industries. We will still need oil for plastics and other things, but the demand would decrease so dramatically as the technology were introduced, that the days of colossal oil barons and all the rest would effectively be over.

Society as a whole would benefit from these new technologies, as usual, but the entrenched industrialists would absolutely lose a source of power over entire nations. Oil was also used to keep the dollar as the world reserve currency, remember.

Yes... It is all about power and control.

[christian]

Posted by Nasu (here)
So ergo, open communications with other worlds would in theory crash OUR world economy over night. What are your thoughts? My own feeling is that this is a more potent and pragmatic reason for a lack of disclosure than merely a fear of public panic.…x… N

We have not matured enough as a species to join the cosmic community. Disclosure wouldn't even change that. We'd still not be mature enough. Disclosure doesn't magically produce maturity.

Therefore, if disclosure happens, we'd basically still be earthbound. Gold would still have its value as a rare currency.

Once we mature enough to join the cosmic community, we'd probably have a completely different economic paradigm. Then gold might become rather useless as a currency.

In essence, the crucial point is maturity, not disclosure. Disclosure, however it may manifest, may act as a catalyst to achieve maturity, but we don't know this for sure.

[Intranuclear]

As far as maturity, well, humans are not a homogeneous species and in fact I am not aware of any such species. Maturity comes from brain capacity, education and experience. Truth is critical for growth. Feed people lies and all you get is distrust and destruction, another word I believe is brainwashing. With the current 7,346,235,000 people on earth I would think easily 100,000,000 people may in fact be mature enough despite all the falsehoods taught. People in control do not necessarily believe they are evil and I would bet they believe that it is more important to control the remaining (7,346,235,000 - 100,000,000 = 7,246,235,000 ). It cannot be true that anyone wants the complete destruction of humanity, because I would think that if that was the case, and with all the current technologies available, that would have happened already.
What is I think critical is that if we have to wait until 50% of the people are mature enough to be told the truth, then NO WAY will that ever happen since good information is critical for maturity.
The people in control must be frightened as they themselves cannot possibly understand all the diverse anecdotal or otherworldly information they are presented and cannot risk releasing that in any other way than gentle disclosure and gauge people's reaction over time. Unfortunately, the rate of soft disclosure may not be fast enough and most certainly is not fast enough for those of us who know with certainty that critical secrets are held from us.
I am certain Copernicus felt all of these things and he did something about that. Without people like him, we would still be in the dark ages, and in fact many still are (flat-earthers for example).