Good News: Sweden considers outlawing runes and Viking symbols

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Swedish Government Is Looking to Ban Historic Rune Letters and Viking Imagery as “Hate Symbols” Against Ethnic Groups

The Swedish government is looking into the possibility of banning rune letters and viking symbols such as Thor’s hammer because they risk offending people it is being reported.

Rune letters and norse symbols have a long history dating back over one thousand years and is part of Swedish history and heritage. Across Sweden you can find rune stones from viking times with messages inscribed on them.



But now the government is investigating banning them as “hate against ethnic groups” because neo-Nazi groups such as the Nordic Resistance Movement have been using these norse symbols. In particular the government is looking to ban the letter Tyr which is part of the runic alphabet. This same symbol is used by neo-Nazis as their logo.

However, the neo-Nazis drink water too, according to the same logic water could be used as a hate symbol as well.

In addition, old norse symbols stemming from norse mythology could be banned. Historic symbols such as Mjölner (Thor’s hammer), Valknut and Vegvisir could be banned.

This potential ban could be in serious violation of religious freedom, as these norse symbols are an important part of the pagan religion still practised by some people in Sweden.

People are organizing a protest this Friday in Stockholm between 2pm and 4pm and also delivering a petition for the government to save the old norse cultural heritage.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ethnic-groups/


I think this article makes a good argument that water is also evil, especially because dirty white people drink it.

[Patient]

The way things are going in this world, it would not surprise me if they eventually get to where they will need to ban the banning of banning.

People everywhere are jumping on the ban wagon.

Hahahaa....yeah, I am tired - they should ban working for money and just give it to us.

[Bubu]

Posted by Patient (here)
The way things are going in this world, it would not surprise me if they eventually get to where they will need to ban the banning of banning.

People everywhere are jumping on the ban wagon.

Hahahaa....yeah, I am tired - they should ban working for money and just give it to us.

Be Patient, we'll come to that.

Thanks for the hefty laughs though.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)

Swedish Government Is Looking to Ban Historic Rune Letters and Viking Imagery as “Hate Symbols” Against Ethnic Groups

The Swedish government is looking into the possibility of banning rune letters and viking symbols such as Thor’s hammer because they risk offending people it is being reported.

Rune letters and norse symbols have a long history dating back over one thousand years and is part of Swedish history and heritage. Across Sweden you can find rune stones from viking times with messages inscribed on them.



But now the government is investigating banning them as “hate against ethnic groups” because neo-Nazi groups such as the Nordic Resistance Movement have been using these norse symbols. In particular the government is looking to ban the letter Tyr which is part of the runic alphabet. This same symbol is used by neo-Nazis as their logo.

However, the neo-Nazis drink water too, according to the same logic water could be used as a hate symbol as well.

In addition, old norse symbols stemming from norse mythology could be banned. Historic symbols such as Mjölner (Thor’s hammer), Valknut and Vegvisir could be banned.

This potential ban could be in serious violation of religious freedom, as these norse symbols are an important part of the pagan religion still practised by some people in Sweden.

People are organizing a protest this Friday in Stockholm between 2pm and 4pm and also delivering a petition for the government to save the old norse cultural heritage.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ethnic-groups/


I think this article makes a good argument that water is also evil, especially because dirty white people drink it.

Yes, this possible action by the Swedish government has alarmed white supremacists everywhere.

Brian

[christian]

Neo-Nazis should use the LGBT flag... Maybe then these ban fetishists would start to think twice.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Patient (here)
The way things are going in this world, it would not surprise me if they eventually get to where they will need to ban the banning of banning.

I think banning banning is called freedom.

That's why we set up such strict limitations on our original government, because most people actually seem to enjoy a large amount of freedom.

Who'd have thunk it?

Posted by christian (here)
Neo-Nazis should use the LGBT flag... Maybe then these ban fetishists would start to think twice.

A bunch of people are already re-appropriating the imagery of rainbows, though I suspect more of them are just trolling for shock value and outrage than are actually socialists (Nazis).

Re-appropriating the rainbow as a clown symbol is what caused this legendary meltdown (language warning):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GBmchG2QuCc

She's having a psychological breakdown on camera because of troll memes like this coming out of the chans:



As you can see with that one, they're even re-appropriating the very meaning of the rainbow colors.


Here's another parody re-appropriating the rainbow, without the clown or socialist logo (swastika):




So yeah, it's already happening.

I haven't seen calls to ban the rainbow flag yet obvious but I've seen some epic meltdowns on social media like the video above.

Trying to win arguments by outlawing, banning, and annihilating your opposition is par for the Stalinist course, but it's always a losing strategy in the end. Censorship isn't actually an argument, but just pushes the "dialogue" into other, even less controllable forms.

[AutumnW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pu_ZH-qHC0

Lots to like in Sweden. The government mediates the social environment because people are shy/reserved. As far as removing symbols that seem benign to us, they might carry negative freight for Swedes. Best visit Sweden before being too critical of their culture and the decisions they make, which are often based on the general consensus.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Best visit Sweden before being too critical of their culture and the decisions they make, which are often based on the general consensus.

Years ago I might have been interested in visiting Sweden, not so much anymore though.

Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape


It's not like I'm specifically worried about getting raped, but this is only one symptom, visible from a distance, of what is happening inside that country today.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HYv8xECxOZU

I think Sweden is also #1 in Europe for grenade attacks too, now. You think it's those damned Vikings?

[AutumnW]

For balance here, Voice. You understand the Swede's criteria for rape is much different than ours. I think it includes merely touching somebody anywhere on their body, without asking.

I know there are major problems there, as Swedes pursue fairness and believe in sheltering immigrants who have been bombed out of their countries. Things will likely settle out. The second generation of Middle Easterners, if pressured hard to assimilate, will have different values. But...I do think the Swedes are naive about the dangers some people represent because they themselves strive to be as benign as possible.

Another clip that explains more of their world view or social view. This one is funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzIa_FNNkWo

[Star Tsar]

The author (Peter Imanuelsen) of the OP's article does not actually live in Sweden, He lives in the North of Yorkshire here in the UK....

Wanna know more about him?

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2017/...tity-revealed/

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/20...can-alt/219064

[AutumnW]

Thanks Star --want to highlight quotes from your links here. It's very important to peek behind the curtain for the big reveal. What are these alt right media personalities all about? What is their agenda?



‘Peter Sweden’ was, until very recently, on record denying the Holocaust, saying “Hitler had some good points” and pushing antisemitic conspiracy theories.



Though Imanuelsen’s social media activity is now predominantly focused on blaming immigrants in Sweden for crime and complaining about “the left,” his older tweets, many of which have since been deleted, reveal an array of false, conspiracist, and bigoted beliefs.

He has said he doesn’t believe in evolution, that feminism “goes against God’s order,” that people should get “capital punishment” as a “consequence” of “being homo,” that Jews are a “seperate (sic) race from Europeans,” that the Holocaust never occurred (though he claims he has revised his views on the Holocaust), and that the moon landing was a hoax perpetrated by freemasons.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
For balance here, Voice. You understand the Swede's criteria for rape is much different than ours. I think it includes merely touching somebody anywhere on their body, without asking.
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Under such criteria, I would've been raped about 4 times today (that I recall) during my shift at work, but this would've been somewhat offset by the 2 or 3 rapes I committed myself. Should I hand myself in, or lodge a complaint? I'm so confused...

The pure insanity in this world knows no bounds.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by christian (here)
Neo-Nazis should use the LGBT flag... Maybe then these ban fetishists would start to think twice.

Yes, because we all know how the LGBT community is nothing but a bunch of "ban fetishists". They get so aroused whenever they successfully have something 'wonderful' banned. They won't be happy till everything is banned, everywhere!

Brian

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
For balance here, Voice. You understand the Swede's criteria for rape is much different than ours. I think it includes merely touching somebody anywhere on their body, without asking.

I know there are major problems there, as Swedes pursue fairness and believe in sheltering immigrants who have been bombed out of their countries. Things will likely settle out. The second generation of Middle Easterners, if pressured hard to assimilate, will have different values. But...I do think the Swedes are naive about the dangers some people represent because they themselves strive to be as benign as possible.

Another clip that explains more of their world view or social view. This one is funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzIa_FNNkWo

In reality, the Swedish definition of rape is not much different from our own (from Wikipedia)

Rape in Sweden has a legal definition described in Chapter 6 in the Swedish Penal Code.[1] Historically, rape has been defined as forced sexual intercourse initiated against a woman or man by one or several people, without consent.[2] In recent years, several revisions to the definition of rape have been made to the law of Sweden,[3][4] to include not only intercourse but also comparable sexual acts against someone incapable of giving consent, due to being in a vulnerable situation, such as a state of fear or unconsciousness.[4][5] In 2018,[4] Sweden has passed a new law that criminalizes sex without consent as rape,[4] even when there are no threats, coercion or violence involved.[4]

So, unless your "touching somebody anywhere on their body" happens as you are having sex with them, you should be alright. The key is whether you have their consent.

Brian

[christian]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

Posted by christian (here)
Neo-Nazis should use the LGBT flag... Maybe then these ban fetishists would start to think twice.

Yes, because we all know how the LGBT community is nothing but a bunch of "ban fetishists". They get so aroused whenever they successfully have something 'wonderful' banned. They won't be happy till everything is banned, everywhere!

I know a lot of wonderful, tolerant, adorable people who consider themselves queer and part of the LGBT community.

The loudest of any group are usually the ones who shape the image of the group for outsiders... But the loudest ones are often a rather cranky minority within that group.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by christian (here)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

Posted by christian (here)
Neo-Nazis should use the LGBT flag... Maybe then these ban fetishists would start to think twice.

Yes, because we all know how the LGBT community is nothing but a bunch of "ban fetishists". They get so aroused whenever they successfully have something 'wonderful' banned. They won't be happy till everything is banned, everywhere!

I know a lot of wonderful, tolerant, adorable people who consider themselves queer and part of the LGBT community.

The loudest of any group are usually the ones who shape the image of the group for outsiders... But the loudest ones are often a rather cranky minority within that group.

I'm glad to hear you come to the defense of the LGBT community, christian; I assume you were able to take my comment for the sarcastic swipe that it was. My point was that there is a huge danger in painting all of the members of a group as being of the same irritating ilk. I can see by your response that you get it. Good. In future, let's agree to limit our criticism to the vocal minority that we find offensive. It sounded a lot like you had conflated the LGBT community with any and all 'ban fetishists'.

My apologies.

Brian

[Fellow Aspirant]

Take a deep breath, everybody.

You do realize, I hope, that this "news" item is hoax, right? Just another example of the Russian 'Fancy Bear' operatives trolling those in the west that they know they can rile up by throwing them the fresh meat of a fictitious attack on the 'rights' of white supremacists. Once Russia Today puts it out, there are dozens of far right sites that eagerly echo it over and over. Usually they end up echoing themselves, giving the impression that the object of their outrage is a real "thing". Under the guise of rejecting censorship, white supremacists can rail against the politically correct PTB that aim to keep them subjugated. Yet another instance of them being able to portray themselves as victims. They eat this stuff up.

Could the Swedish government ban the use of runes? How? Why? They are a deeply ingrained part of their culture, as deep as their DNA.The government is not so irrational.

What they might consider doing is restricting the co-opting of the legitimate symbols of their past by white supremacists, who have been using them to promote an exclusivity for white identity as a way of rallying the far right minions to their flag/banner.
I can foresee this in the future if the Swedes wish to consider furthering their opposition to hate speech and hate crimes. There is no indication, however, that the government is even considering it at this time.

This article from a year and a half ago outlines the reasons that those in Sweden who hold the symbols near and dear to their hearts, object to the hijacking of their religious beliefs:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7987716.html

excerpt:

Vikings Were Not Nazis, Anti-racists Tell Swedish White Supremacist Groups

'White nationalists don't get to reinvent what Viking culture is,' says campaigner

Will Worley
@willrworley
Saturday 7 October 2017 12:10
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The Independent
Nordic Resistance Movement supporters marching with flags bearing their 'Tyr rune' logo
Nordic Resistance Movement supporters marching with flags bearing their 'Tyr rune' logo ( JONATHAN NACKSTRAND/AFP/Getty Images )

A Live Action Role Play (LARP) group in Sweden is campaigning to halt the neo-Nazi appropriation of Viking symbols.

Runes and other ancient Viking iconography have long been associated with the Nazism, by groups who use them to propagate the myth of white ethnic purity and supremacy.

Larpers in Sweden have formed Vikingar Mot Rasism (VMR, or Vikings Against Racism) in order to combat the far-right hold over Viking heritage.

"Viking enthusiasts get mistaken for racists and Nazis all the time, and we're very uncomfortable with that. White nationalists don't get to reinvent what Viking culture is," Solvej von Malmborg, a VMR member, told the Local.

The group protested the neo-Nazi Nordic Resistance Movement (NMR) along with thousands of other counter-demonstrators as the group attempted to march through Gothenburg.

The VMR spent time explaining to other anti-racists activists the difference between Viking heritage and neo-Nazi symbols.

Ms von Malmborg continued: "When a symbol becomes too closely connected with a racist movement, it becomes theirs – it belongs to the racists and eventually, using it can be seen as a form of inciting racial hatred. Then the symbol is removed from common cultural use."

Swedish neo-Nazis stage biggest ever march in wake of Trump victory

The NMR uses an arrow-shaped ‘Tyr-rune’ against a green background as its logo.

The rune represented the Norse god of war, Tyr, and its shape is believed to be related to the North Star. It was also used by a Nazi SS division.

Other Viking iconography has been used extensively by the far right since the Nazis used them to express their fetishisation of perceived strong ancient and ethnically pure cultures, like the Vikings and Romans.

The Odal rune was part of the Runic alphabet and used by Vikings to denote inherited estate. But it used by the Nazis to symbolise their central concept of ‘blood and soil’.

The Waffen SS used runes extensively, including the ‘Sig Rune’ – originally representing the sun – which formed their logo.

The VMR formed after they noticed more racists attending Viking-themed events several years ago. Ms von Malmborg said their presence was contrary to the inclusive atmosphere of Larp."



We should all note that real Vikings don't brandish Tiki torches.

Brian

[Valle]

Honestly im crying over what "the elit" has done to a very "human" country:
Sweden was a very very kind and good country 30-years ago.. My own story is severe dyslexia in early years => massiv help from society => scholarship in high school for best grades.. => a college degree in economics (free of dept)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
For balance here, Voice. You understand the Swede's criteria for rape is much different than ours. I think it includes merely touching somebody anywhere on their body, without asking.

However they define it, the fact is that it's skyrocketed since all the mass migration started. Everybody knows the increase in rapes and mass migration are related, but leftists throw tantrums and start calling everyone names every time someone wants to have a serious discussion about it, as if pointing out that non-white people are capable of committing crimes is itself the epitome of racist Nazism.

The second generation of Middle Easterners, if pressured hard to assimilate, will have different values.

Why isn't more being done to make Muslims assimilate now?

But...I do think the Swedes are naive about the dangers some people represent because they themselves strive to be as benign as possible.

That's the problem of the entire Western world today. Ironically it's made me question the entire Christian concept of defeating evil by submitting to it with love. The West is submitting and offering up its traditions, cultures, and its entire historical identity as a sacrificial offering for its past sins, but we're certainly not benefiting in any way from this experience as far as I can see.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Thanks Star --want to highlight quotes from your links here. It's very important to peek behind the curtain for the big reveal. What are these alt right media personalities all about? What is their agenda?

Seems pretty clear to me that this guy's agenda is that he doesn't want more grenades, bombings, rapes, riots, and all the rest imported into Sweden. Does there need to be an evil ulterior motive to that very straightforward and understandable desire?

If he were asking for more grenade attacks, riots, etc., etc., would that make more sense to you? Or maybe he just shouldn't be allowed to make the connection at all?

‘Peter Sweden’ was, until very recently, on record denying the Holocaust, saying “Hitler had some good points”

Swedes today have socialist ideas deeply ingrained into their political thinking, so it doesn't surprise me that he thought Hitler (a socialist) had some good ideas.

Here is an economist quoting Hitler in his own words:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=17DkMDvKqw0

Hitler believed that capitalism was just as Jewish as Communism, and all that and more is made clear in the presentation above. The Nazis literally seized the means of production.

Seize the means of production..... Can you help me remember where I've heard that before?

Socialist Europeans today support the same economic policies as Hitler and the Nazis and don't even realize it. Apparently all you have to say is, "Oh, no, they were called 'National Socialists' but they weren't really socialists!," and somehow people are gullible enough to actually believe this without looking at specific facts.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
You do realize, I hope, that this "news" item is hoax, right? Just another example of the Russian 'Fancy Bear' operatives trolling those in the west that they know they can rile up by throwing them the fresh meat of a fictitious attack on the 'rights' of white supremacists. Once Russia Today puts it out, there are dozens of far right sites that eagerly echo it over and over.

It's neither from RT nor a hoax.

Gateway Pundit links to the original source and it's from Swedish media: https://samnytt.se/regeringen-vill-f...sserade-rasar/

Regeringen vill förbjuda runskrift – asatroende och kulturarvsintresserade rasar

Regeringen utreder för närvarande möjligheten att förbjuda användning av fornnordiska runor. Enligt uppgift är det justitieminister Morgan Johansson (S) som ligger bakom initiativet. På Asa-samfundet som organiserar asatroende och personer med intresse för det fornnordiska kulturarvet är upprördheten stor över det man menar är en inskränkning i bland annat religionsfriheten. En namninsamling har startats och på fredag anordnas en manifestation utanför riksdagshuset i protest mot förslaget.

Bakgrunden till utredningen uppges vara att nynazister i Sverige använder den så kallade tyr-runan som symbol. Att så sker är något som inte heller asa-troende och kulturarvsintresserade är särskilt glada över.

Man menar dock att det inte är rimligt att hantera detta genom att förbjuda ett helt skriftspråk och att det dessutom inskränker den grundlags- och konventionsskyddade religionsfriheten. När makthavarna lägger in andra innebörder i runskriften än de verkliga gör de samma fel som nazisterna, påpekar man.

”Vår inställning är att fördomar och missförstånd bäst botas med kunskaper och fakta! Det duger inte att försöka ersätta våra symbolers betydelse med egna fördomar eller politiska betydelser de saknar. Att förbjuda dem vore att förbjuda en del av vår egen historia, kultur och tro – och vår rätt att uttrycka dessa på grund av politiska tolkningar som inte hör hemma i Asa-sfären!

Vad dagens politiskt aktiva har för sig får under inga omständigheter förstöra uttrycken för en religion och kultur som är lika gammal som de första avtrycken de första bosättarna i område Norr.”, skriver Asa-samfundet på sin webbplats.

Enligt regeringsförslaget kan även fornnordiska symboler och smycken komma att förbjudas som hets mot folkgrupp. Det gäller bland annat torshammaren Mjölner, valknuten Odens knop och Vegvisir.

https://samnytt.se/regeringen-vill-f...sserade-rasar/


Translation from Google:

The government is currently investigating the possibility of banning the use of Norse runes. It is reported that the Minister of Justice, Morgan Johansson (S), is behind the initiative. In the Asa community, which organizes asa troops and people with an interest in the Norse cultural heritage, the outrage is great about what one thinks is a restriction on, among other things, religious freedom. A collection of names has been started and on Friday a manifestation is arranged outside the Parliament House in protest against the proposal.

The background to the investigation is stated to be that neo-Nazis in Sweden use the so-called tyr-runan as a symbol. The fact that this is happening is something that neither asa-believers nor those interested in cultural heritage are particularly happy about.

It is believed, however, that it is not reasonable to deal with this by banning an entire written language and that it also restricts the freedom of constitutional and convention-protected religion. When the rulers add other meanings to the runic script than the real ones, they make the same mistakes as the Nazis, one points out.

“Our attitude is that prejudices and misunderstandings are best cured with knowledge and facts! It is not enough to try to replace the significance of our symbols with their own prejudices or political meanings they lack. To forbid them would be to ban some of our own history, culture and beliefs - and our right to express them because of political interpretations that do not belong in the Asa sphere!

What the day's politically active has under no circumstances to destroy the expressions of a religion and culture as old as the first impressions of the first settlers in the area North, "writes the Asa community on its website.

According to the government proposal, ancient Norse symbols and jewelry can also be banned as hot people against ethnic groups. This applies, among other things, to the torso hammer Mjölner, the electoral knot Odin's knot and Vegvisir.

And it goes on. It's all on the links provided.

And honestly RT is not even right wing. You bought that whole Russian conspiracy theory narrative way too hard. Putin is a pragmatist and not an ideologue anyway. The USSR may be gone but Russia still has plenty of left-wing policies in place, including government-sponsored social media censorship.

Could the Swedish government ban the use of runes? How? Why? They are a deeply ingrained part of their culture, as deep as their DNA.The government is not so irrational.

You act like the Swedish government actually wants to preserve its traditional culture, when it's clear that they're all progressives and hate the very idea of traditional culture.

Here's another story for you that you probably missed (translated from Swedish by Google again):

Sweden's cultural heritage is systematically destroyed - objects from the Iron Age are sent for metal recycling



SWEDEN Priceless iron objects from the Iron Age and the Viking Age are sent as scrap for metal recycling. It draws attention to Svenska Dagbladet during Wednesday.

It is Johan Runer, archaeologist at the Stockholm County Museum, who has alarmed how the county administrative boards in Sweden misbehave our cultural heritage. The reason is that they do not consider themselves to have the resources to take care of and preserve all metal objects found in connection with archaeological excavations.

The article includes an excavation of Flädie outside Lund in Skåne as an example. The site was investigated by archaeologists in connection with the construction of a site last year at the E6 motorway. In the report compiled in connection with the excavation, a large number of finds are listed.

But the archaeologists did not have the resources to take advantage of everything and were forced to "thin" a large number of objects, that is, send them to the junkyard. Among other things, there are several coins and buttons as well as a knife and a ring.

Other objects that have been thrown away are amulet rings that were ritual objects of the ancient Swedish during the Vendel and Viking times.

Original story in Swedish here: https://nyheteridag.se/sveriges-kult...llatervinning/

The Minister of Culture who was responsible for melting down these ancient Viking artifacts, by the way, was from an immigrant family and doesn't even have Swedish heritage.

So explain to me how this indicates that the "progressive" Swedish government cares about preserving its ancient history and its traditional culture.

It gets even better! She was also involved in a program bringing "refugees" into Sweden straight out of ISIS territory, too. Same woman.

Looks like the exact opposite of wanting to preserve culture to me. They're literally melting it down.