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    Default Re: Qanon and the Very Bad Day Finally Arrived!

    @ Daozen

    And here's my neutral response: "No"

    As for "Actions have consequences" sounding threatening (to you), that's your interpretation; not mine. (I'd call it, and your (unnecessary) question if I'm being paid to post here, projection/provocation).

    It's simple maths:

    Firstly, PLEASE do your poll. I sincerely invite it.

    Secondly, should the Q thread be closed down, that's potentially (using Paul's latest figures), a fairly substantial number of viewers - and possibly members - Avalon may lose.

    I'd call that a (substantial) "consequence!"
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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    (using Paul's latest figures)
    A good time & place to add Paul’s post. 2695 distinct IP addresses. Many return over the course of the month.

    Current stats: 492 pages, 9,820 replies, 808,506 views

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    More stats: For the current (almost complete) month of May, 2019, some 2695 distinct IP addresses have viewed this Qanon thread, 718 of which IP addresses are from 284 identifiable (logged in) forum members, and the remaining 1977 of which IP addresses are from various guests (both human and search engine bots)

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    Poll or no poll, I don’t agree with closing any Q or any other threads. What the hell is going here? If you don’t like a certain thread then simply don’t participate in it. You don’t need to force your views on anyone else no matter how right you think you are. Based on my current understanding now I think that Q is a psyop but I would never try to censor people who don’t agree with me.

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    Quote Posted by Jad (here)
    Poll or no poll, I don’t agree with closing any Q or any other threads.
    Bill and the mods, including myself, all agree with you, as Bill just wrote in his opening post of The 'Q' poll thread.

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    Gaia, David Wilcock, Corey Goode and a lot of other disinfo agents get a lot of attention too.
    It doesn't mean they are a reliable, verifiable source of information any more than popular channelers, snake oil salesmen or mainstream news.
    If the number of hits that Avalon threads get is really what determines what goes on here, that could put Avalon into a category similar to the above.
    It's the quality and veracity of the information presented here, not the popularity that has made Avalon an outstanding forum.
    People without discernment outnumber those with it, but fortunately, it's always been a minority of people with vision who have led the way to change for the better.
    And it's because Avalon is a moderated forum that has helped insure it's longevity.

    I consider Q to be a psyop and would much prefer that it not be a topic of discussion here. Trump has proven himself to be pro-war, pro-vaccines, pro-5G, a destroyer of the environment, a foe of real journalists like Julian Assange, a friend of corptocracy, and more.
    update: Oh yeah, and Jared Kushner, Trump's senior advisor, is set to attend this year’s Bilderberg Meeting.

    But if the Mods are willing to continue to reprimand Qultists while those who continue to post on that thread refuse to see the sham for what it is, I will just continue to ignore it.
    When the Qultists try to derail other threads, however, and the Mods do nothing about it, then I will be thinking again about leaving altogether, as I did when the New Posts were being monopolized by Qultists.
    As I imagine others have done and more will do if that turns out to be the case.
    And the quality of Avalon will go down.
    But I think it's a moot point, because it will get harder and harder for Trump's true colors to be hidden, except to the most diehard Qultists.
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    Default Re: Qanon and the Very Bad Day Finally Arrived!

    No body was mentioning anything about closing down anythread.

    In fact, it was actually Kiwi who mentioned closing this thread down and merging it.

    Nobody ever mentioned shutting down the pro Q thread. If you all want to participate in that thread and fantasy, that is your business and the sooner you realize you are being had the better for us all.

    Who cares if the pro Q thread has a bunch of views. That just means a bunch of people are people watching or believe it and should check themselves.

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    Kiwielf wrote: "Secondly, should the Q thread be closed down, " ...here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1293633

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Gaia, David Wilcock, Corey Goode and a lot of other disinfo agents get a lot of attention too.
    It doesn't mean they are a reliable, verifiable source of information any more than popular channelers, snake oil salesmen or mainstream news.
    If the number of hits that Avalon threads get is really what determines what goes on here, that could put Avalon into a category similar to the above.
    It's the quality and veracity of the information presented here, not the popularity that has made Avalon an outstanding forum.
    People without discernment outnumber those with it, but fortunately, it's always been a minority of people with vision who have led the way to change for the better.
    And it's because Avalon is a moderated forum that has helped insured it's longevity.

    I consider Q to be a psyop and would much prefer that it not be a topic of discussion here, and the fact that Trump has proven himself to be pro-war, pro-vaccines, pro-5G, a destroyer of the environment, a foe of real journalists like Julian Assange, a friend of corptocracy, and more.
    But if the Mods are not willing to continue to reprimand Qultists and those who will continue to post on that thread refuse to see the sham for what it is, I will just continue to ignore it.
    When the Qultists try to derail other threads, however, and the Mods do nothing about it, then I will be thinking again about leaving altogether, as I did when the New Posts were being monopolized by Qultists.
    As I imagine others have done and more will do if that turns out to be the case.
    And the quality of Avalon will go down.
    But I think it's a moot point, because it will get harder and harder for Trump's true colors to be hidden, except to the most diehard Qultists.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I consider Q to be a psyop and would much prefer that it not be a topic of discussion here
    Thank God this is not your forum then! FYI Trump is nothing but an actor like all Presidents before him, and the last one who truly tried to deviate from his script had his brain scattered live on national tv. Do you really think that you would have been less angry now if Hillary was “President”?

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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    ...

    Why not do a poll?

    If the majority of Avalon members want the Q thread closed down, who am I to argue? (And if so, by all means, close it down)!

    ...
    Terrible idea, shutting down that thread. Not a consideration. You, and others - really, all of us - need to see it to the end.

    Personally, I'm not all that astounded that people want to follow Q - it's intrigue, cloak and dagger, with the baddest of bad guys and the goodest of good guys in the script, with puzzles to solve along the way. Fun! What astounds me is that sane people that have a compassionate heart would follow trump, and that you could allow Q to tell you that guliani and bolton are good guys - and some of you fell for it. That's worthy of some self reflection regarding discernment, once you figure out that no, trump, guilani, and bolton are not good guys.

    If Q is responsible for casting a cloak of invisibility around the actual actions of trump, to enable some people to eternally excuse ALL of trump's ACTIONS and his WORDS that amount to following the exact same militarist/imperialist/zionist agenda as obama and bush, who are unflinchingly called the deep state, then Q has done an amazing job. Q is a PR wizard: somehow, trump doing the exact same deep state sh!t is not deep state! The most overt zionist that has ever sat in the big chair in the oval office is somehow cleansed of his zionist reality by the power of Q's propaganda gambit. So, that is the power of Q. That Q could hold the illusion that trump is the sneaky Columbo/Kasperov super-secret-agent double-agent American hero that any minute now, any minute now, any minute now, is going to start doing such a bunch of good things that our heads will spin with delight. This boorish jackass sociopathic two-bit mobster is going to do a 180° turn any minute now. Any minute now. Any minute now. Q is a public relations genius!

    No, the Q thread needs to go on and on and on and on and on. It is the current Project Avalon discernment testing ground.


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    I am quite aware that Trump is nothing but an actor--a terrible one at that, almost as bad as Dubya, and his vocabulary is even more limited--not really the sign of an intelligent person.
    I'm not at all angry that he is POTUS instead of HRC, and never was.
    It becomes more obvious every day that what we got in Trump was the better of two very bad choices.
    But that hardly makes him a hero or a savior.
    Imho, he's just another player for the particular faction of the elite that he is being supported to represent, while Q covers up what is really going on with a lot of distraction and hope porn for those who can't or won't face reality.
    Agreed, the last one who truly tried to deviate from his script had his brain scattered live on national tv, but should that make us content with the lesser of two evils?
    Or should it make us get busy figuring out how to change that very limiting scenario?
    Not by accepting the evil, but finding another way.
    Which I doubt is going to come via politics, a very controlled game for a very long time, but by refusing anymore to let politics decide for us what our choices will be.
    In other words: SNAP OUT OF IT!!!

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I consider Q to be a psyop and would much prefer that it not be a topic of discussion here
    Thank God this is not your forum then! FYI Trump is nothing but an actor like all Presidents before him, and the last one who truly tried to deviate from his script had his brain scattered live on national tv. Do you really think that you would have been less angry now if Hillary was “President”?
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    I don't think I mentioned shutting down the Q thread either. As others have noted, Kiwi was the first to mention subtly silencing this thread by merging it. He then, with no sense of guilt or irony, played the censorship card when he got caught on the back foot.

    I don't think the Q thread should be shut down... but it is sinister, distractive, delusional, and a sustained, premeditated attempt to bring discord, confusion and ill will to Project Avalon and beyond. Anyway, I will drop this for now as I don't want to get caught up in it.

    Who cares about numbers? They can be artificially inflated with bots anyway. If you want numbers, post a Miley Cyrus video.
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    No, the Q thread needs to go on and on and on and on and on. It is the current Project Avalon discernment testing ground.
    It seems to be an exercise in discernment. Actions versus words. While the "Qultists" (thank you, whoever coined that term) seize upon every perceived confirmation of a Q prediction no matter how indirect or obscure, the direct and apparent actions of the primary actors continue to conform to known Deep State patterns and interests. Without Q, the AltRight Intelligentsia might have long abandoned Drumpf as his true alignments became clear. It is actually different "Departments of the Deep State", at war with each other. An endless, multidimensional, bureaucratic nightmare of Machiavellian dimensions.

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    Default Re: Qanon and the Very Bad Day Finally Arrived!

    In a few words...RussiaRussiaRussia is the distraction for the left and Q is the distraction for the right. Keep the audience distracted from the larger spectrum of issues and mainly focused on, and talking about, the customized distractions.

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    Default Re: Qanon and the Very Bad Day Finally Arrived!

    Mueller says his Russia report did not exonerate Trump
    CBS Evening News
    Published on May 29, 2019

    "In his first public statement about the special counsel investigation, Robert Mueller explained why his office never considered the president for obstruction of justice.
    He pointed to policy, saying charging the president with a crime was "not an option." Paula Reid explains."


    (Mueller said the evidence he compiled could be used by Congress for other investigations, indictments, and if the impeachment process were to proceed.
    So apparently not quite "case closed" as Trump implied.
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    Default Re: Qanon and the Very Bad Day Finally Arrived!

    As of today, Mueller has resigned from the Department of Justice. There have been no mass arrests. His first public verbal statement in the last two years, the only time he's spoken in public since Q popped up, happened today. And...he sounded pretty critical not just of Russia (for election meddling etc) and Trump, but also (by inference) the legal system guidelines in general for how much his hands were tied. If anything, he sounded a bit resigned (no pun intended) and relieved at the announcement that he'd be returning to private life.

    This was...not at all how Q had pitched Mueller for at least the first year of those posts.
    Powerful hidden tribunals, an enormous factory of indictments, soldiers at the ready to do the arrests in one fell swoop, etc.
    Perhaps his characterization has shifted in the last months?

    Anyway, this is to say, by the original goalposts and stated endgames of Q involving the sealed indictments etc etc- as of today, with Mueller's words, it would seem to the casual observer like we could actually finally put this one to bed, no?

    Am I missing something? Did the goalposts shift?
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    Default Re: Qanon and the Very Bad Day Finally Arrived!

    Yes the goalposts shifted. We will be free exactly 2 months from {INSERT TODAY'S DATE}.

    Regarding "losing members"- Yes, there would be some members leaving or losing interest if Q was to be sidelined .... likewise, I'm sure there would be some members annoyed if Corey Goode/Blue Avian threads were deprioritized. But we must ask ourselves (using Corey Goode as an example)... do we really need to cater to the feelings of indignant bird worshipers?

    It cuts both ways. I've been increasingly uninterested in posting here over the last few months. One of the reasons is that accursed Q thread, or should I say Q tendril , which has wrapped itself so unctuously around every branch and twig of Avalon forest. It is literally asphyxiating the forum. Is that the intention?

    Now a hardcore Q-tip might say "who cares Daozen, take your ball and go home". But remember... a few members have noticed the downswing in energy. People are posting less. That thread is one of the reasons.

    The battle for the soul of Avalon continues.
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    Hopefully not off-topic, but since the ‘Q’ scenario, and the Corey/Wilcock diversionary stuff appeared, and sapped the energies of real research subjects, then the sadly well-meant but seemingly ego-hijacked visit to Laughlin, despite the well meaning of participants, there has been a depletion of interaction. Laughlin was sadly unintentionally divisive. Now we are missing long-standing contributors who were valuable both technically and in lifestyle choices. Those who could not attend were ‘sidelined’ by attendees.

    Posters seem exhausted, some new members were obviously trolls.

    Disappointingly some to whom we had generously donated funds either disappeared, or have since turned upon us.

    It’s time we switched off some negative threads, and go back to helpful info, contributed to by well-researched members to encourage those in the background with loads to offer, to come forward. Think positively, make a stance with your knowledge, as there are so many still hoping for help and reliable information.

    Being a member since the first ‘Camelot’ forum iteration, I have learned so much, have enjoyed amicable correspondence globally, and have been given factual insight - please let’s forge forward positively, and don’t lose the aims and objectives of the Project Avalon forum - “where science and spirituality meet”.
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    Default Re: Qanon and the Very Bad Day Finally Arrived!

    I'd just like to point out that at the current time (since this is where the idea originated), the "Q poll" has 121 responses, of which 72.5% are of the "I don't pay attention/ it's a LARP/ it's a psyop / other things to pay attention to / etc" group, and 27.5% of which are in the "I follow Q (either because it is "true" / it may contain important info / I use my own discernment and follow it)" camps.

    So far Bill wasn't too far off with his offhand guess of 4-to-1 (ie 80% to 20%) before the poll was created.

    Of course more time/data will help, though I'd guess some people who truly are in the "don't care" camp will not care enough to take the poll at all.
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    Default Re: Qanon and the Very Bad Day Finally Arrived!

    I definitely don't agree with censoring any post. I am against censorship 'cept in extreme cases. But with a 4 to 1 DO NOT WANT:WANT ratio, we could maybe think about putting that thread into the "uncertain info" section, where it would not sit there mocking us all from the top of new posts. The community has spoken.

    Regardless of what happens, I realized polls are a good way to gauge forum sentiment. Better than a 20 page food fight.

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