What exactly is a 'Luciferian Initiation?'

[Valerie Villars]

[what originated the question in another thread]

I am curious as to just what exactly a Luciferian initiation is. Not that I personally want anything to do with it, but does anyone have any inside knowledge as to what this actually means?

[Jayke]

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
This may be for another thread, but I am curious as to just what exactly a Luciferian initiation is. Not that I personally want anything to do with it, but does anyone have any inside knowledge as to what this actually means?

There’s a creepy meditation room in the UN where they sit you down to worship in front of a black monolith made of iron. Can’t remember who I heard about it from now but the room is supposed to light up at certain times of day and the monolith has brainwave altering frequencies, some kind of Mithraic-Saturnalian indoctrination rites most likely.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread140982/pg1

Two weeks ago, I was in the United Nations while on my seventh trip to New York City. I stood in the meditation room, which contains Satan's altar. I went into this room to do spiritual warfare and bind devils through the blood of Jesus Christ. The room was designed by the late Secretary General of the UN, Dag Hammerjskold, who said that the black stone monolith or block is "every man's god." The room is 18 feet wide at the entrance, which in numerology is 3 sixes. The room is also 33 feet long and tapers inward to form a truncated pyramid. There is an abstract mural on the front wall, which is full of witchcraft symbols, and in the middle of the room, is a black stone block, which weighs exactly 6.5 tons or 13,000 pounds. The black stone block has a certain kind of magnetism about it, and when I walked into the room with my praying wife, I could sense the intense presence of an evil force beyond description. This is where the world leaders and Illuminati masterminds go to meditate, which is why it is open to the public only in the mornings. Once the sun moves from antemeridiem to post meridiem only the adept in witchcraft are allowed into that room, for that is witchcraft doctrine regarding meditation. As the sun gives way to waning light and the female power of the moon goddess, the meditation room at the UN becomes off-limits to what they call the "profane."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IYBPGC7k9T8

Lucis Trust was founded by Alice Bailey from the Theosophical society:

https://steemit.com/women/@myrevteam...d-annie-besant

Bailey founded the Lucis Trust in 1922. It erected a few programs for esoteric education, world goodwill support, magazines and a publishing company. The World Goodwill program was in support of the United Nations. The publishing company founded was “Lucifer Publishing Company” later changed to Lucis Publishing Co. Lusis is a from the same root word as Lucifer meaning light. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey

In response to the September 11 attacks (2001), the Great Invocation (by Baily) was used as a central element of a new daily program at Findhorn known as the "Network of Light meditations for peace". The mantra begins with "From the point of Light within the Mind of God, let light stream forth into the minds of men ..." with the rest of the passage expressing the ideas of love, the return of The Christ (Maitreya) and of men acting in accordance with the plan of God.

Bailey would start another group “Campbell notes that the New Group of World Servers was established for ". . . promotion of international understanding, economic sharing, and religious unity".

“These leaders are known by their harmless, constructive and inclusive qualities. They provide the vision and mould public opinion.”

“Attack on personalities, defamation of character, the imputation of motives and the stirring up of hatred are a recognised part of the technique of those who (frequently with good intention) are attempting to salvage the world, to bring order out of chaos and to defend the right as they see it.”

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You can find the entire plan here: https://www.lucistrust.org/arcane_sc...n_study_course

And we will now gather a summary:

TAKE GOD AND PRAYER OUT OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM
She said: “Change curriculum to ensure that children are freed from the bondage of Christian culture. Why? Because children go to school to be equipped to face life, they are willing to trust and they are willing to value what is being given to them.”
“If you take God out of education, they will unconsciously form a resolve that God is not necessary to face life. They will focus on those things the school counts them worthy to be passed on and they will look at God as an additional, if one can afford the additional.”

REDUCE PARENTAL AUTHORITY OVER THE CHILDREN
She said: “Break the communication between parent and child.”(Why?)So that parents do not pass on their Christian traditions to their children, liberate children from the bondage of their parent traditions.” (How?)
Promote excessive child rights
Abolish corporal punishment
Teachers are the agents of implementation

DESTROY THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE OR THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE
(Why?) She said: “It is oppressive and that the family is the core of the nation. If you break the family, you break the nation. Liberate the people from the confines of this structure.” (How?)
Promote sexual promiscuity
Use advertising industry, media –T.V., magazines, film industry to promote sexual enjoyment as the highest pleasure in humanity. (Propaganda)

IF SEX IS FREE, THEN MAKE ABORTION LEGAL AND MAKE IT EASY
She said: “Build clinics for abortion –Health clinics in schools.

MAKE DIVORCE EASY AND LEGAL, FREE PEOPLE FROM THE CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE FOR LIFE.

MAKE HOMOSEXUALITY AN ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE
Alice Bailey preached that sexual enjoyment is the highest pleasure in humanity, no one must be denied and no one must be restricted how to enjoy themselves. People should be allowed in whichever way they chose they want, whether it is homosexuality or in incest or bestiality, as long as the two agree.

DEBASE ART, MAKE IT RUN MAD
Promote new forms of art which will corrupt and defile the imagination of people

USE MEDIA TO PROMOTE AND CHANGE MINDSET
Alice Bailey said the greatest channel you need to use to change human attitude is media. Use the press, the radio, T.V, cinema.

CREATE AN INTERFAITH MOVEMENT
“Promote other faiths to be at par with Christianity, and break this thing about Christianity as being the only way to heaven, by that Christianity will be pulled down and other faiths promoted. “She said, “Promote the importance of man in determining his own future and destiny” –HUMANISM. “Tell man he has the right to choose what he wants to be and he can make it happen, he has the right to determine his cause”

GET GOVERNMENTS TO MAKE ALL THESE LAW AND GET THE CHURCH TO ENDORSE THESE CHANGES
“...that the church must change its doctrine and accommodate the people by accepting these things and put them into its structures and systems.”

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Before the satanists got there hands on the arcane stuff though, Luciferian rituals were performed as pyramid rites. The initiate would spend 7 days in the tunnels beneath the pyramids, working their way through the various chambers, to emerge above ground to coincide with the rising of Venus, shortly before the morning sunrise. An old Naga ritual of the Mayan according to Freddy Silva in his latest book The Missing Lands.

[Valerie Villars]

But what if you are exposed to the evil presence and you reject it? Is that still a Luciferian initiation?

I guess I'm derailing the thread, which I don't want to do. Thank you Jayke.

[Jayke]

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
But what if you are exposed to the evil presence and you reject it? Is that still a Luciferian initiation?

I guess I'm derailing the thread, which I don't want to do. Thank you Jayke.

It’s still on topic as the Lucis Trust/Fabian Society, and its German counterpart the Frankfurt School, both had an agenda to create the very social discord the title of this thread is questioning. The Frankfurt schools plan was basically the same as the Fabian Society’s agenda.

To undermine Western civilization, the Frankfurt School called for the most negative and destructive criticism possible of every sphere of life. To de-stabilize society and bring it to its knees, to engineer collapse, to produce crisis and catastrophe — this became the aim of these maladjusted and mentally sick Jewish revolutionaries masquerading as high-powered intellectuals.

Their policies, they hoped, would spread like a virus — “continuing the work of the Western Marxists by other means”, as one of their members noted.

To further the advance of their “quiet” cultural revolution, the Frankfurt School made the following twelve recommendations — all of them calculated to undermine the foundations of society and create the dystopia we now see all around us:

1. The creation of racism offences and hate speech laws.
2. Continual change to create confusion (e,g., in school curricula).
3. Masturbation propaganda in schools, combined with the homosexualization of children and their corruption by exposing them to child porn in the classroom.
4. The systematic undermining of parental and teachers’ authority.
5. Huge immigration to destroy national identity and foment future race wars.
6. The systematic promotion of excessive drinking and recreational drugs.
7. The systematic promotion of sexual deviance in society.
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against the victims of crime.
9. Dependency on state benefits.
10. Control and dumbing down of media.
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family.
12. All all-out attack on Christianity and the emptying of churches.

By time an initiate rises through the freemasonic ranks to be initiated at the altar of Satan, they’re most likely devoted servants of mammon by then anyway. A person of noble character could easily reject an evil presence, but a person of noble character would unlikely be chosen to experience those initiations to begin with.

Lucifer ‘the light bringer’, Apollo, Baal, Mithra, Ahura Mazda. The inner light of gnostic illumination leads to knowledge that’s spiritually neutral, how that knowledge is applied is determined by the character of each initiate. Hence the black and white tiles on the Masonic chessboard.

[Valerie Villars]

But, would it be possible that by reading the Masonic Scottish Rite by Albert Pike, just because you were curious, lead to knowledge of same? And then rejected in a whirlwind of spiritual illumination? Among other things read and absorbed over a lifetime? Not all were rejected. The Gospel of Thomas for instance.

[Satori]

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
But, would it be possible that by reading the Masonic Scottish Rite by Albert Pike, just because you were curious, lead to knowledge of same? And then rejected in a whirlwind of spiritual illumination? Among other things read and absorbed over a lifetime? Not all were rejected. The Gospel of Thomas for instance.

I have a copy of Morals and Dogma, which is attributed to Albert Pike. (It is to a large extent the work of Pike, but as the book itself makes clear, it's teachings are the ideas, concepts and work of many people collected and recorded over time.) It was given to me by a Mason, now deceased.

I have read it, even studied it, three times. I am not a Mason and I have never been approached to become one. But, to some extent I have acquired some knowledge of Masonry by reading the book. To be candid, there is little in the book that I disagree with. It is at its core a call to be the best at what you chose to be, to do good not harm, and to work well with others while making your way in life in a productive manner.

As pointed out by Jayke in post #4 on this thread, their is a duality at play and what one becomes (and Is) depends in significant measure on the degree to which one stands and acts in the dark (black square) or in the light (white square).

[shaberon]

I largely agree with Satori, the book is a fairly ordinary cross-section of mythology, a lot of it is somewhat on track, but as with most things I would not call it an initiated work. Lucifer was one of the first bishops of the Roman church. The way is works is that Morals are required for the masonic degrees, and the Dogma are associated ideas to study which are not necessarily definitive or doctrinal. This book was freely offered in the Southern Jurisdiction, and it was available elsewhere, but gained little traction.

I also agree that the Fabian--Alice Bailey strand is potently dangerous. I know that from the inside and have to conclude most of the participants are unaware about it in the same way that most Americans are unaware in general. I figured something was a bit off there early on, and from scouring it heavily, I can see very many ways in which this is definitely not our system, and is most likely the Jesuit version. The West does not have the system, it only has conflicting ideas based on fragments of Isis and Osiris, and lacks Neith and the rest.

As far as the name Lucifer or what anyone means by it, that could be several things. I suppose you could say I have personal knowledge from several different kinds of Satanists, not cryptos but the ones who call themselves such. And immediately in relation to that I have to say that there are indeed many cryptos who are on the insurance boards, education board, regular churches, there are Satanists in those places doing stuff. But there are many other kinds and some of them are more like Santeria. A lot of them are just atheists. Some of them are fairly nice people and some are casting black magic for destruction and power. Most of it works because you give it power. That is the assumption that the insurance board or the U. N. is in charge. The most dangerous parts are basic subliminal suggestions like that. Then if your mental anxiety starts forming monsters in the hellfire, that's what you'll have. But if you dismiss this thing, it's rather weak.

Classically speaking, Lucifer is Venus, and so the underlying concept is that Venus is the spiritual big sister to Earth, and so, spiritually, if it will help anyone to call me Luciferian, go ahead. In this case, it means something far different than those other examples. So I don't really use the word. Energy is neutral and I find no devil other than man. The holy person is one whom instead can walk amongst all the dark and demonic forces in nature and there is no effect on the person and the others become tamed.

No, I personally have not been dubbed or baptized by "one of them" and I am not saying I know everything that goes on behind closed doors. As far as an actual application of magic, what Michael Aquino does is probably the exact opposite of us, his attempt is to establish a permanency of the ego. This is the most dangerous because then he really will be the devil with 100,000 followers. This is also why we are against capital punishment. The killing of such a wicked person produces an unusually powerful devilish ghost. Preservation of corpses is similarly unclean. Whatever entitles a human devil to keep working beyond death is much worse than the general dangers and temptations in nature.

[Bubu]

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
But, would it be possible that by reading the Masonic Scottish Rite by Albert Pike, just because you were curious, lead to knowledge of same? And then rejected in a whirlwind of spiritual illumination? Among other things read and absorbed over a lifetime? Not all were rejected. The Gospel of Thomas for instance.

I have a copy of Morals and Dogma, which is attributed to Albert Pike. (It is to a large extent the work of Pike, but as the book itself makes clear, it's teachings are the ideas, concepts and work of many people collected and recorded over time.) It was given to me by a Mason, now deceased.

I have read it, even studied it, three times. I am not a Mason and I have never been approached to become one. But, to some extent I have acquired some knowledge of Masonry by reading the book. To be candid, there is little in the book that I disagree with. It is at its core a call to be the best at what you chose to be, to do good not harm, and to work well with others while making your way in life in a productive manner.

As pointed out by Jayke in post #19 on this thread, their is a duality at play and what one becomes (and Is) depends in significant measure on the degree to which one stands and acts in the dark (black square) or in the light (white square).

Let us also not forget that the dark side are masters of deception, such as bait and switch.
I was recruited into junior mason or demo lay while I was in college by a couple of high school buddies. Both of them are good people an have a considerable potential. One is now a successful lawyer to the countries riches man and the other a general manager of a fast food chain in the US. How do you recruit people with goodwill and potential if you want to use them for immoral agendas? The answer is you cant thus you present to them goodies on your one hand and the baddies on your left hand hidden behind your back. And no matter how intellectual a person is when he is trained to believe by faith, there will come a time that he will set aside reason for faith. It takes courage to question not intellect. I will say this book is of the same category. No different than the bible actually. Perhaps the magic lies in the initiation when you are in the process of choosing between black and white.
"but the room is supposed to light up at certain times of day and the monolith has brainwave altering frequencies"
and makes one choose the dark.

[TomKat]

Don't know if this speaks to your question completely, but it is some kind of initiation:
6 or 7 years ago there was a young black guy on a now-defunct radio show who called himself Loooooong. He said he was the top drug dealer in his upstate NY town. Being seen as a leader, he was befriended by some prominent businessmen who initiated him into Rosicrucianism. During his initiation he was asked to spit on a picture of Jesus. He was not religious and had no problem doing so. He was told he passed the test and was sent into the inner circle. Had he refused to spit on the picture, he would have been told that he passed the test also, but would be sent to the outer circle. (He got to snooping around in filing cabinets and found out his master Rosicrucians were reporting to the Jesuits.)

[Bubu]

When I was recruited I attended only 3 sessions. On the 3rd I went into the innermost room where there is an image of black nazarene lying on the floor right at the center of the room. It felt creepy to me all kinds of symbolism. That was the last I went to that building.

[Valerie Villars]

Well, this is all quite a bit of information. Sleeping upon this thread, I realized that my phrase "whirlwind of illumination" most fits what I went through. Then came rushing back to me all the "spiritual" things I had ever read and all the music I had ever listened to.

It was quite overwhelming to be bombarded with these images, words, notes, etc. as I have read an enormous amount since the day I hit this earth. Much of the time, I was sure I was going through some kind of masonic initiation which I knew nothing about. My only point of reference was Albert Pike's "Morals and Dogma" which I had read and thought about quite a bit. In fact, I got so confused as to what was "good" and what was "bad" I threw all my books and all my music on the front lawn, along with some other things. In a sense, I was leveling the playing field until I could sort it all out for myself.

It was quite terrifying. I guess that's why this subject is so interesting to me. Because it happened spontaneously (though I think I was set up for it to happen. That is a whole other story) it completely blew my head off.

It's an interesting subject and I guess ultimately, quite subjective. I got rid of "Morals and Dogma" and this little book I had called "The Order of the Eastern Star" because I felt I was being offered a deal from the devil through those works. The devil offered me half his kingdom and I told him to take a hike.

[Ratszinger]

Lucifer is the light bearer, (think Statue of LIberty) and was cast out of heaven. He took 1/3rd of heaven with him when he left and they remade themselves in a new image not of the one in heaven but in their own image as they created. The Luciferian Initiation is simply a remaking of yourself in a new image (the bridge as referred to in Q posts) and this was the entire idea of earth and Lucifer coming here to change the earth in to that which he wanted to see not that which God wanted that made it. Lucifer is the light of the world and so is Jesus the light of the world. Two sides of the same coin! One can't exist without the other.

[Valerie Villars]

So, in regards to David Spangler's quote above, it is my understanding that the dark agenda can only succeed by taking those of the light and swaying them toward the darkness. In other words, all is light until it turns away. Does that make sense?

So, in saying everyone has to take a Luciferian initiation, they are hoping most will turn away from the light? Isn't that a big risk?

I know I'm not as learned intellectually as most of the respondents on this thread, but I do have a working heart and a decent instinct and I'm really trying to understand this, having gone through it myself, without being knowingly recruited. No one walked up to me and said, "Hey, you wanna check out the Masons, Rosicrucians, Lucis Trust...(insert any of many organizations here) I sometimes suspect I was recruited or tested by someone or something's direction, but without my conscious go ahead.

It was quite the shock and reduced my life to rubble at one point, which I believe is the intention.

[Bubu]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
Lucifer is the light bearer, (think Statue of LIberty) and was cast out of heaven. He took 1/3rd of heaven with him when he left and they remade themselves in a new image not of the one in heaven but in their own image as they created. The Luciferian Initiation is simply a remaking of yourself in a new image (the bridge as referred to in Q posts) and this was the entire idea of earth and Lucifer coming here to change the earth in to that which he wanted to see not that which God wanted that made it. Lucifer is the light of the world and so is Jesus the light of the world. Two sides of the same coin! One can't exist without the other.

The light of my world is in me. Not with anyone else. Caution seeking light from everywhere other than yourself. You are likely to fall into darkness

[Bluegreen]

As far as I can tell, Spangler has a tenuous at best association with the UN, and these are not his exact words. The post of “Director of Planetary Initiative” does not exist at the United Nations. A spiritual philosopher widely credited with coining the term 'New Age', he founded the "Planetary Initiative for the World We Choose", which in turn was funded by the Kettering Foundation, an NGO associated with the UN Department of Public Information. The UN's public information (brochures etc) is or was printed by Lucis Trust.

The quote from Spangler's 1978 book, Reflections on the Christ:

"Lucifer comes to give to us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. This is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation in the New Age."

[Franny]

This vid from Truthstream Media is called, "Does Society Realize It Is Being Initiated?"

They are describing a sort of stealth initiation of the population into dark occult lifestyle. It's a slow acculturation process that few notice. But more and more are noticing.

Who, in the general public, will notice that Olympics entertainment, tv adverts or Super Bowl halftime entertainment is filled with satanic and dark occult symbolism?

Over a year ago I noticed a tv series being advertised. It was a typical family where dad has a typical job (real estate? I don't recall) and mom is a cannibal. It was presented as a sit-com with a jocular sort of humor. No idea what happened to it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=um5yzha8EUw

A couple of interesting responses:

Our culture absolutely does worship celebrities, it's sickening. We call them "idols" and "stars", just like ancient pagan civilizations used to worship the stars. We lift our hands to worship them at concerts, we go crazy and grovel at their feet if we have a chance to meet one. We chase them down with cameras, we entertain ourselves with glimpses into their personal lives. We eat up everything they say, we change our culture and our beliefs if they tell us to. We even hold worship ceremonies to honor them by giving them little golden statues that look just like carved idols.

And behind the music industry, mainstream media, press and Hollywood you'll find the same people:

[CENSORED]

[Valerie Villars]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Spangler

Going beyond the "New Age"
Over the years since then, Spangler has continued to lecture and teach and has written numerous books on spirituality. He is considered one of the founding figures of the modern New Age phenomenon, but early on he identified its shadow and rejected what he termed "its further outgrowth into a myriad of 'old age' pursuits (including spiritual pursuits) dressed in 'new age' garb". This devolution into commercially-driven fads, identity politics, mystical glamour, atavistic spiritualisms, and uncritical guru reverence was a main theme of his Reimagination of the World, co-authored with fellow-traveler and cultural historian William Irwin Thompson.[3]

Spangler has often been miscast as a new-age channeler due in part to the "transmissions" received while living at the intentional community at Findhorn, Scotland in the 1970s, which became the core of his first book Revelation: The Birth of a New Age.[4] In hindsight it can be seen that Spangler's ideas were at that time transitional between the earlier theosophical esotericism represented by Alice Bailey and an emerging worldview that is more postmodern, less obscure, and less metaphysical than theosophy.[5] Spangler himself reports that it took him some years to develop a language in which to communicate clearly the insights and experiences he had been having since childhood

[Ratszinger]

Posted by Bubu (here)

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
Lucifer is the light bearer, (think Statue of LIberty) and was cast out of heaven. He took 1/3rd of heaven with him when he left and they remade themselves in a new image not of the one in heaven but in their own image as they created. The Luciferian Initiation is simply a remaking of yourself in a new image (the bridge as referred to in Q posts) and this was the entire idea of earth and Lucifer coming here to change the earth in to that which he wanted to see not that which God wanted that made it. Lucifer is the light of the world and so is Jesus the light of the world. Two sides of the same coin! One can't exist without the other.

The light of my world is in me. Not with anyone else. Caution seeking light from everywhere other than yourself. You are likely to fall into darkness

I didn't suggest I was into it. Simply saying the theory behind the initiation. Traditionally speaking Lucifer was never evil or dark. Lucifer was light and he was given a job by his father to punish evil. It was never said that Lucifer himself was evil incarnate. That is the church teaching to gather a scared following willing to fork over $ to save their souls.

[johnf]

I think that it is just more cannon fodder to keep people at each others throats.
There has been an endless string of deities associated with the morningstar, including Jesus.
There is probably a highertruth aspect to that and a divide and conquer aspect to it. Calling it Luciferian
is probably an attempt to sweep all the real phenomena under the rug.


John

[Valerie Villars]

In my heart of hearts I was really hoping someone would come on the thread and say "I had a Luciferian initiation and here's what I experienced....." etc. I've heard the term so much in the last five years and still no one has ever definitively said what experiencing one has been like for them.

There is no judgement involved in whatever one's experience is. But, I have yet to meet anyone who had one and was willing to talk about it.

Is there really such a thing if no person can stand up and say it happened to them?

Reading Morals and Dogma was very confusing for me because although I understood the concepts very well, and was genuinely in synch with many of the ideas about personal and social responsibility, reading about Lucifer the Light Bringer was all mixed up with the dogma I had been taught being bought up Catholic.

Then, too, there were all the symbols in the book, which was a very new concept to me.