Joe Rogan Experience #1315 - Bob Lazar & Jeremy Corbell

[Tyy1907]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
If he is the real deal (which I think he is) ... is there anyone that comes close to him anywhere on the planet with his story?

No doubt. He's a gold mine of classified tech information. Was there a nondisclosure agreement signed? He was so haphazard in that sense. Maybe they thought he's a physicist nerdy type so he's a low risk as far as influencing others.

There must have been smear campaigns against Bob big time

A campaign to diminish his claims by expunging him from the official record, right down to his birth certificate. And would you want to remain his friend if you figured you'd be audited by the IRS or lose your own clearance, just because you hung out with him? Pretty tough for all concerned. On the other hand, he has said, and I agree, what a moron he was to rent a winnebago and take his friends to watch the practice runs on Wednesday nights. But he was in his twenties, so that explains a lot!

That's what I mean how haphazard Bob was but also who he worked for. Youd think thered be nondisclosure agreements bare minimum.

It just dawned on me that maybe his intent in sharing with his friends was out of excitement of the tech and not so much sounding the horn that this was going on. From what I've gathered though he was threatened and then called George Knapp who put out him and his story.

[Valerie Villars]

There is something big going on right now. An information crossroads.

[Spindoctor]

It was interesting and revealing that Bob said he had second thoughts/regrets over the past thirty years on revealing the existence of these craft, which the younger BOb said he had to do, but also that he outed himself from what was for his part the most exciting, interesting, confounding and unexplainable to our science historic breaking new research being undertaken anywhere on the planet.

[norman]

At this ( https://youtu.be/BEWz4SXfyCQ?t=6824 ) point in the podcast Bob says something about WHY Tesla could have been stopped from developing wireless electrical transmission.

It could have been stopped so that our current modern era of electronics and computers could go ahead, which he thinks couldn't have happened if Tesla HAD developed it.

That's an interesting and different twist from the simple economic incentive we always hear about from people. It's more in the Daniel List (X series) territory of there being 'secret schools' dropping stepping stones for the evolution of our modern era return to a high civilisation.


If the video doesn't start in the right place, go to 1 hour 58 minutes and 43 seconds.

[panpsych]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Did he say something about being able to control time itself? Wow.

It froze. The flame was just not moving, but it was still a flame.

Lazar would then point out that what made even less sense in any logical way was that the flame was still visible.... meaning, it was still emitting light. That was moving. But the candle flame wasn't.

I'm no physicist, though I wonder if anyone here can help me understand both the above and also why it also didn't hold for the reflection and refraction of light off other objects (such as the candle wax) as well as the flame.

In other accounts, Lazar has previously described the distortion of light as a consequence of altering spacetime topology by the craft, rendering the craft essentially invisible from the reference frame of the observer.

Why would the spacetime distortion not only fail to render the flame and candle wax invisible, but also the reactor he was unable to touch due to the emission of the spacetime field distortion?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by panpsych (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Did he say something about being able to control time itself? Wow.

It froze. The flame was just not moving, but it was still a flame.

Lazar would then point out that what made even less sense in any logical way was that the flame was still visible.... meaning, it was still emitting light. That was moving. But the candle flame wasn't.

I'm no physicist, though I wonder if anyone here can help me understand both the above and also why it also didn't hold for the reflection and refraction of light off other objects (such as the candle wax) as well as the flame.

In other accounts, Lazar has previously described the distortion of light as a consequence of altering spacetime topology by the craft, rendering the craft essentially invisible from the reference frame of the observer.

Why would the spacetime distortion not only fail to render the flame and candle wax invisible, but also the reactor he was unable to touch due to the emission of the spacetime field distortion?

Bob Lazar himself said he couldn't understand it. If time was somehow "frozen" (so that the candle never flickered, and was just kind of stopped in freeze-frame), one would expect the light waves to "stop", too, so nothing would be visible. But the light itself "kept on moving".

[panpsych]

I know it's pointless to speculate to some degree, but this problem seems like it could reveal important insight into whether Lazar's briefing should be taken as read.

Might one explanation be that time was not "frozen", but slowed down enough to make the macro-level 'flicker' look 'paused' from outside the distortion, whilst the quantum-level photon emission still occurred?

Did I just make some Star Trek word-salad?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by panpsych (here)
I know it's pointless to speculate to some degree, but this problem seems like it could reveal important insight into whether Lazar's briefing should be taken as read.

Might one explanation be that time was not "frozen", but slowed down enough to make the macro-level 'flicker' look 'paused' from outside the distortion, whilst the quantum-level photon emission still occurred?

Did I just make some Star Trek word-salad?

Well, it might just be another clue about the true nature of light (or anything traveling at light speed).

But yes, you make an excellent suggestion. In theory, if events were greatly slowed down (but not actually "stopped" in time), light would still be traveling near-instantaneously.

[panpsych]

Fascinating. If quantum processes still occur within a spacetime distortion relatively quickly, perhaps there is a correlation between Lazar's account of "radio" handicom he claims to have witnessed being used to communicate from the testing ground to the craft and Henry Deacon's tidbit about "unhackable" devices based on quantum entanglement.

Perhaps the S4 staff knew of the method Deacon hinted at too, and Lazar was mistakenly calling them radios.

[NX.P]

We don't have the words for this yet I don't think. Ill try my best. I think the experiment with the candle reveals some data pointing to the fact that the phenomenon of light may be a reflection of something coming down from a higher dimension. More apertures than stars maybe... I prefer to think of solar systems this way, like fingers through a wire fence where the hand as a whole is hidden from one point of view.

[Jad]

Here is a recent article about Lazar.

https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...all-along.html


Near the end of his 2019 autobiography, Bob Lazar writes, “I’m no kind of hero.”

With each passing day, that seems less true. I know what you’re thinking: Is this idiot really devoting a column to a controversial UFO whistleblower during a global pandemic? Should I stop reading this tinfoil claptrap right now and spend the next few minutes on something more productive?

Answers: 1. Yes. 2. Probably.

OK. To everyone still here, why is Bob Lazar on my mind? Because I just read a New York Times story — “No Longer in Shadows, Pentagon’s U.F.O. Unit Will Make Some Findings Public” — that includes a buried nugget about how astrophysicist and Pentagon contractor Eric W. Davis gave a classified briefing to government officials in March about retrieved “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

I know. It’s nuts. If you ever watched “The X-Files,” the U.S. government has basically done a 180 on UFOs. For nearly a century, intel gathering under clandestine programs — Project Mogul, Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Blue Book, Project Ozma — had one guiding principle: blanket denial.

The stated goal was to investigate UFO sightings. The outcome was official excuses.

UFOs were weather balloons or street lamps or migrating birds. They were illusions refracted by the natural world. They were fantasies of deranged imaginations. They were not real.

All of that has changed dramatically, starting with a 2017 New York Times blockbuster that revealed the existence of the U.S. government’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, created a decade earlier to analyze unexplained phenomena. The Navy has since publicly verified three videos that show unidentified aircraft violating the laws of aerodynamics. Apparently, there are more.

What was once the stuff of supermarket tabloids is now taken seriously by politicians and scientists.

So isn’t it time Bob Lazar got a second hearing in the court of public opinion?

The man put Area 51 on the pop-cultural map in 1989, when during an interview with Las Vegas investigative reporter George Knapp, he made claims that would have sent Fox Mulder to a fainting couch. Lazar said he had worked at a top-secret military base, S-4, near Papoose Lake, where his job was to reverse-engineer crashed alien flying saucers. It was like hearing someone casually say they provided dental care to the Loch Ness Monster. I’m sorry, what?

I remember thinking Bob must be smoking crack out of a Bunsen burner.

But here’s the thing: 30 years later, nothing Lazar said has been disproven. Nothing.

Oh, I know the skeptics want to discredit him based on flimsy allegations he falsified his education or previous employment with the Los Alamos National Laboratory. But did he? Knapp visited that lab with Lazar many moons ago and they were granted access without showing credentials. Security recognized Lazar, who gave Knapp a guided tour while waving to former colleagues who waved back. I can tell you right now, if I wander into the Globe and Mail newsroom and start waving at people, I’m going to get tackled and escorted out by security. You can’t fake working at a place. So if Lazar really worked at Los Alamos — which officially has no record of him — why should we question his Area 51 claims?

There is also no record of Lazar’s birth. Does that mean he does not exist?

I’d then go several steps further and ask, “Why should we doubt anything Lazar says about UFOs?”

In a video authenticated by the Navy this year, a spacecraft is rotating and flying belly-up, exactly as Lazar described in the ’80s. It’s eerie. When he first talked about Element 115 as a possible power source of antigravitational propulsion, it didn’t exist on the periodic table. Now it does. Is that not a strange coincidence? What about his sketches that could now be blueprints for UFOs?

As far as I can tell, Bob Lazar has been vindicated at every turn. And you know what?

The world owes him an apology.

But if you google Lazar, you get sucked into a black hole that suggests he is a “fraud,” “liar,” “conspiracy theorist” and “UFO hoaxster.” What he was saying in 1989 — we have recovered crashed alien saucers that defy everything we know about the universe — was a stick of dynamite to rational thought. But what he was saying then is now backed up by the official record. Please read Lazar’s autobiography “Dreamland,” or watch the Netflix doc “Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers,” and tell me why you still think he is a deceptive kook. Spoiler alert: You can’t do it.

Lazar has never once tried to profit from the whistle-blowing that ruined his career. He’s not on any lucrative speaking circuits. He’s not selling kitschy T-shirts of Little Green Men. He goes about his business in the shadow of infamy and ridicule. Thirty years later, he just wants to move on and change the subject. He wants breathing room amid the suffocation of terrestrial doubt.

But if, as reported this week, more UFO revelations are forthcoming — and they involve new insights on retrieved meta-materials not of this world — isn’t it time to set the record straight on our most famous UFO whistleblower? Isn’t it time we landed this flying saucer on consensus?

Bob Lazar is either a diabolical liar or some kind of hero. He can’t be both.

But what he could be, now more than ever, is an invaluable tour guide into the unknown.