Gobekli Tepe

[Hervé]

Posted by Lefty Dave (here)
Greetings

I have a question...what is the elevation of Gobekli Tepe..? ...and another question...could a massive flood have buried the entire area ? I have a hard time with the idea people buried these sites...but I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer..maybe someone could help me discern this...thanks...blessings

Gobekli is a hill/mountain top.

It's not buried by sand or mud or wind blown dust or even gravel but by fair size stones which are not known to benefit from any kind of natural transport whether wind or water.

[Sunny-side-up]

yes it looks like Gobekli Tepe was carefully back-filled

[ichingcarpenter]

I think that the reason that their is so many circle walled monoliths and one of the reasons they were each buried over time is that part of the communal ritual involved was learning the communal construction of the circle including the layout according to the stars, gathering of stones, making the reliefs, planning the food and overall logistics involved. The transcendence from a hunter gathering society to an agrarian society was part of the curriculum that these teachers and masters were trying to communicate to the many that came there among other religious or spiritual practices they might have practice. I think this place was a college of some sort from the survivors of the great flood

[AutumnW]

Lefty,

There, at an elevation of around 760 m (2,490 ft) above sea level, the Göbekli people built one of the most mysterious and impressive temples on Earth,

https://curiosmos.com/gobekli-tepe-t...000-years-ago/

[greybeard]

Ancient Gobekli Tepe Discoveries That Are Almost Beyond Comprehension

Gobekli Tepe has probably explained one of the most important mysteries of all time, where and how did modern humans evolve. This is a masterpiece of work that brings ancient history to life. Göbekli Tepe’s last moments were preserved by back-fill 10,000 years ago that totally preserved it as a museum of early prehistory.
The extraordinary raised reliefs, pictograms, and pillars—many over twenty-feet tall and weighing many tons—tell the story of a forgotten culture from 11,500 years ago. The extraordinary raised reliefs, pictograms, and pillars—many over twenty-feet tall and weighing many tons—tell the story of a forgotten culture from 11,500 years ago. The prehistoric Middle East weaves together archeological, anthropological, astronomical, and spiritual aspects of Göbekli Tepe.

This is far more than a video about the archaeology of Gobekli Tepe. You need the ability to think outside the box and see the bigger picture, this ability has resulted in a fascinating and thought-provoking theory about the role of Gobekli Tepe in the rise of civilisation itself.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c54TsJtWBiY

[Ti]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The extraordinary raised reliefs, pictograms, and pillars—many over twenty-feet tall and weighing many tons—tell the story of a forgotten culture from 11,500 years ago. The extraordinary raised reliefs, pictograms, and pillars—many over twenty-feet tall and weighing many tons—tell the story of a forgotten culture from 11,500 years ago.

You can say that again!

Seriously though, Gobekli Tepi is one of my favorite sites. The mere idea that it was painstakingly buried by humans to conceal it for whatever purpose has always caught my attention. That's not a spur of the moment decision. I will watch the video now.

Edit: Excellent presentation, I thought he really kept the pace going without any lag or repetition, went a lot of places.

[Sunny-side-up]

Those pillars remind me of sword handles complete with: pommel, hilt/grip and guard.

Especially the 'Anglo-Saxon Swords'







https://www.google.com/search?q=Angl...&bih=943&dpr=1

[greybeard]

Ian Hodder: "Origins of Settled Life; Göbekli and Çatalhöyük" | Talks at Google

Recent archaeological discoveries have upturned our theories about the origins of agriculture and the dawn of settled life. While climate change and economic adaptation have long been seen as prime causes, recent work at Göbekli and Çatalhöyük in Turkey has shown that social gatherings at ritual centers played a key role. The remarkable finds at Göbekli include 6 meter stone monoliths carved with images of animals and birds and forming ritual enclosures. Recent research at Çatalhöyük shows a fully fledged town in which wild bulls, leopards and the severed heads of ancestors were important social foci.

Ian Hodder was trained at the Institute of Archaeology, University College London and at Cambridge University where he obtained his PhD in 1975. After a brief period teaching at Leeds, he returned to Cambridge where he taught until 1999. During that time he became Professor of Archaeology and was elected a Fellow of the British Academy. In 1999 he moved to teach at Stanford University as Dunlevie Family Professor in the Department of Anthropology and Director of the Stanford Archaeology Center. His main large-scale excavation projects have been at Haddenham in the east of England and at Çatalhöyük in Turkey where he has worked since 1993. He has been awarded the Oscar Montelius medal by the Swedish Society of Antiquaries, the Huxley Memorial Medal by the Royal Anthropological Institute, has been a Guggenheim Fellow, and has Honorary Doctorates from Bristol and Leiden Universities. His main books include Spatial analysis in archaeology (1976 CUP), Symbols in action (1982 CUP), Reading the past (1986 CUP), The domestication of Europe (1990 Blackwell), The archaeological process (1999 Blackwell), The leopard’s tale: revealing the mysteries of Çatalhöyük (2006 Thames and Hudson), Entangled. An archaeology of the relationships between humans and things (2012 Wiley Blackwell).

This Authors at Google talk was hosted by Boris Debic.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zKwSg7OyvoE

[greybeard]

Ancient Gobekli Tepe Discoveries That Are Almost Beyond Comprehension

Gobekli Tepe has probably explained one of the most important mysteries of all time, where and how did modern humans evolve. This is a masterpiece of work that brings ancient history to life. Göbekli Tepe’s last moments were preserved by back-fill 10,000 years ago that totally preserved it as a museum of early prehistory. The extraordinary raised reliefs, pictograms, and pillars—many over twenty-feet tall and weighing many tons—tell the story of a forgotten culture from 11,500 years ago. The extraordinary raised reliefs, pictograms, and pillars—many over twenty-feet tall and weighing many tons—tell the story of a forgotten culture from 11,500 years ago. The prehistoric Middle East weaves together archeological, anthropological, astronomical, and spiritual aspects of Göbekli Tepe. This is far more than a video about the archaeology of Gobekli Tepe. You need the ability to think outside the box and see the bigger picture, this ability has resulted in a fascinating and thought-provoking theory about the role of Gobekli Tepe in the rise of civilisation itself.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c54TsJtWBiY

[greybeard]

THEY KEPT THIS HIDDEN | This Is What Archaeologists Don't Want You To Know | Graham Hancock

The end time of the existence of the site keeps coming up as a cataclysmic event ---so my feeling is that they knew of a forth coming event and covered Gobekli Tepe site in order to keep it safe and undamaged--perhaps they thought that they could comeback and un cover it after the event.
Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cYbe154a6C8

[greybeard]

The Vulture Stone of Gobekli Tepe: Pillar 43 Decoded | Ancient Architects

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dal1CChmPtc

Anybody who has taken an interest in Ancient Civilisations will know about the site of Gobekli Tepe, arguably the most important ancient site in the world. It was constructed around 10,000 BC, before being abandoned some time around 8,000 BC.

It is huge and megalithic and is know for its roughly circular enclosures with large T-shaped pillars that display exquisite relief carvings, mainly of animals, but also human arms and hands, geometric patterns, clothing, such as a fox pelt loin cloth, and also some images that are yet to be interpreted.

The most famous T-shaped pillar is known as pillar 43, also known as the Vulture Stone and thanks to the work of Andrew Collins, Graham Hancock and now Martin Sweatman, this stone pillar is getting the attention it deserves.

This pillar is the new Rosetta Stone of ancient history and Martin Sweatman calls it the most important ancient artefact in the whole world, and it allows us to decode the site of Gobekli Tepe.

Martin’s new book, Prehistory Decoded is out now and it is not just a fascinating read, but an important read, for those wanting to understand the origins of civilisation.

In this video I explain Martin's interpretation of the famous Vulture Stone, or Pillar 43, in my opinion the best explanation available that may show clear links between Gobekli Tepe and the Younger Dryas Event at the end of the last Ice Age.

Buy Martin Sweatman's new book, Prehistory Decoded, now at:
UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Prehistory-D...
US: https://www.amazon.com/Prehistory-Dec...

[jaybird88]

when they say 8k BC how exactly are they coming up with that number? what dating system are they using. why do they not have the same dating problems with gobekli tepe as they do with all the other ancient sites made from stone?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by jaybird88 (here)
when they say 8k BC how exactly are they coming up with that number? what dating system are they using. why do they not have the same dating problems with gobekli tepe as they do with all the other ancient sites made from stone?

As best I know, when it was buried, the fill of dirt and stones contained human bones and other organic material. Those were then carbon-dated as normal.

[greybeard]

Posted by jaybird88 (here)
when they say 8k BC how exactly are they coming up with that number? what dating system are they using. why do they not have the same dating problems with gobekli tepe as they do with all the other ancient sites made from stone?

Who knows--the only difference is that the date was fixed by mainstream tradition people.
The date seems to be fully accepted.

Chris

[jaybird88]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by jaybird88 (here)
when they say 8k BC how exactly are they coming up with that number? what dating system are they using. why do they not have the same dating problems with gobekli tepe as they do with all the other ancient sites made from stone?

As best I know, when it was buried, the fill of dirt and stones contained human bones and other organic material. Those were then carbon-dated as normal.

Who knows--the only difference is that the date was fixed by mainstream tradition people.
The date seems to be fully accepted.

Chris

the organic stuff found in the fill would only confirm when it was buried which would mean the site is at least 8k years old, how long it stood before the burial would still be a mystery. unless there is something i am missing.

you guys ever hear hancock or bauval explain the celestial / procession dating they have been working with to date sites such as the spinx, giza pyrimids and Pumapunku? IMO this is going to be the next thing to dats ancient sites. i believe its much more accurate and you can go wayyy back, 20k - 60k years no problem.

[greybeard]

Posted by jaybird88 (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by jaybird88 (here)
when they say 8k BC how exactly are they coming up with that number? what dating system are they using. why do they not have the same dating problems with gobekli tepe as they do with all the other ancient sites made from stone?

As best I know, when it was buried, the fill of dirt and stones contained human bones and other organic material. Those were then carbon-dated as normal.

Who knows--the only difference is that the date was fixed by mainstream tradition people.
The date seems to be fully accepted.

Chris

the organic stuff found in the fill would only confirm when it was buried which would mean the site is at least 8k years old, how long it stood before the burial would still be a mystery. unless there is something i am missing.

you guys ever hear hancock or bauval explain the celestial / procession dating they have been working with to date sites such as the spinx, giza pyrimids and Pumapunku? IMO this is going to be the next thing to dats ancient sites. i believe its much more accurate and you can go wayyy back, 20k - 60k years no problem.

Yes I am aware that many of these ancient sites are very much older than many would believe

Have a look here and there are other threads devoted to this subject.
Chris
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1295389

[Billy]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The Vulture Stone of Gobekli Tepe: Pillar 43 Decoded | Ancient Architects

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dal1CChmPtc

Anybody who has taken an interest in Ancient Civilisations will know about the site of Gobekli Tepe, arguably the most important ancient site in the world. It was constructed around 10,000 BC, before being abandoned some time around 8,000 BC.

It is huge and megalithic and is know for its roughly circular enclosures with large T-shaped pillars that display exquisite relief carvings, mainly of animals, but also human arms and hands, geometric patterns, clothing, such as a fox pelt loin cloth, and also some images that are yet to be interpreted.

The most famous T-shaped pillar is known as pillar 43, also known as the Vulture Stone and thanks to the work of Andrew Collins, Graham Hancock and now Martin Sweatman, this stone pillar is getting the attention it deserves.

This pillar is the new Rosetta Stone of ancient history and Martin Sweatman calls it the most important ancient artefact in the whole world, and it allows us to decode the site of Gobekli Tepe.

Martin’s new book, Prehistory Decoded is out now and it is not just a fascinating read, but an important read, for those wanting to understand the origins of civilisation.

In this video I explain Martin's interpretation of the famous Vulture Stone, or Pillar 43, in my opinion the best explanation available that may show clear links between Gobekli Tepe and the Younger Dryas Event at the end of the last Ice Age.

Buy Martin Sweatman's new book, Prehistory Decoded, now at:
UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Prehistory-D...
US: https://www.amazon.com/Prehistory-Dec...

Martin Sweatman talks about decoding Gobekli Tepe. Part one.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_NcXR7iqVrY

Martin Sweatman takes us through the ages from around the world decoding ancient cave paintings and stone carvings which he connected to astronomical constellations, giving us time stamps of their creation.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3E4umtD7d0s

[amor]

If the people of the time of Gobekli Tepe were advanced enough to discern that something astronomical was on its way that would destroy them, they might also have discerned that it was of a cyclic nature; and so after the first destruction happened and they survived by using the site, they may have decided to cover it up to save it for use by their descendants of the distant future.

Kerry Cassidy has reason to believe that there are even deeper levels to this place which contains a stargate presently still in use. If so, the powers that be which are purported to be guarding these stargates will be having a say as to what happens there, albeit very quietly.

Speaking of cyclic destructions, I came across somewhere on Youtube.com a story about the Sun becoming so bright and presumably hot that people had to move underground to survive. Again, this was a cyclic event which we may be facing sooner than later, judging from the appearance of our Sun which has changed drastically and about which no one is saying a word. If anyone can add to this subject, please do so for all our sakes.

[greybeard]

amor I think your post is a very accurate resume of the subject.
I dont think cycles can be avoided but we can survive them.
Chris

[ichingcarpenter]

New Laird Scranton on Gobekli Tepe, F2B.



I've always enjoyed Laird's take on ancient language and ancient history. He talks about the symbolism on the pillars, time, the constellations in relationship to Gobeki Tepe. Worth your time


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm6w2lgAg4g

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bm6w2lgAg4g