Posted by T Smith
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Posted by Gracy May
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Well, aside from rhetoric, which even most of that ceased with the campaign trail, looking at who Trump has surrounded himself with and many of his continuing actions, i fail to see that the tptb were ever dethroned in the first place. To me its smoke n mirrors which leads me to speculate on a number 3 ad on to your list.
3. I dont think deep state gets careless like that, i think they got exactly what they wanted. In that rumblings of a possible civil war are not new, and we need only look to the winner of 2016 as one of the final needed catalysts to really start kicking things into high gear. Wind him up, make sure the "proper" people get around him, and let him do his thing.
Hey Gracy, I'm fully willing to be incorrect on this point, but as far as I understand, Donald J. Trump
is not a sanctioned, sponsored, or approved candidate of the ruling elite, at least in the manner as described by Carroll Quigley in his seminal political history of the United States,
Tragedy and Hope.. Regardless of what one’s thinks of Trump, I believe it’s important to acknowledge this. And if I’m mistaken let’s discuss (maybe not here, as it would derail this discussion). According to Quigley, however, selecting Presidents is and always has been a process by which the ruling elite grooms, sponsors, and sanctions two candidates on opposite sides of the aisle to present the masses with a choice between whom to vote in so-called free elections. It seems obvious to me this is not the process by which Trump seized power. For better or worse, with the incipience of the political force of DJT, this cycle has been broken.
Please don't misunderstand. That's not to say I’m suggesting DJT is a hero in blue tights and a red cape and is systematically draining the swamp per his campaign promises, which I believe is your point. Nor am I arguing the degree to which his actions align or counter the interests of the PTB. One might even argue he’s fortifying the swamp to some degree. But those assertions are beside the point and largely coincidental; I'm merely arguing DJT is not a controlled asset nor is he a complicit actor of the Deep State, which is typically accustomed to maintaining full control over the political process.
I would add because Trump has not surrounded himself 100% with outsiders and non-Deep State critters doesn’t necessarily convince me he is a shill for the PTB; it is not as simple a task to infiltrate and reform such a deeply complex and intricately established system as his detractors might think. To do so is truly a Herculean undertaking. The machinations of Washington D.C. are such an entrenched cesspool of profound dishonesty, unfathomable corruption and backstabbing, and it characterizes such an intricate web of deceit and duplicity, that one person or even a small army of well-meaning persons could never hope to put a dent in the process of reform. Here is a town that makes Hades blush and is populated by hideous creatures expertly adept at obliterating their challengers. The system itself, by default, devours those who might try to challenge it as effortlessly as the Kraken devours a hapless paper-boat bobbing on the ocean tide.
An example of this would be the appointments of General Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, and Anthony Scaramucci, among many, many others. The revolving door of the Trump Administration is not a testament of ineptitude, as the media would have us believe, as much as it is a testament of how difficult the job of these appointments are. You may despise the politics of the aforementioned and are glad they are gone, but the point is none of them were swamp critters; all were idealistic reformers in the vein of Trump’s campaign promises. But the swamp simply and forcefully chewed them up and spit them out. None stood a chance nor knew not what hit them. In short, it’s not so practical for a reformer to surround himself with too many outsiders and idealists. In such case the team itself is in large part a bevy of sitting ducks that risk rendering the entire administration feckless.
If you are a cook or a baker, an analogy of this dynamic might be the process of tempering chocolate; if one adds a cool liquid too readily into a molten chocolate mixture the melted chocolate will break; similarly, if one incorporates too hot a butter to an emulsion of egg yolks, the Béarnaise sauce will become an inedible glob of scrambled eggs instead of a velvety delicious accompaniment to Chateaubriand. In a similar way, I would argue it is only practical to incorporate so many non-swamp appointments into the mix, and by gradual degrees.
I’ll grant this argument presents as an apology for appointing residents of the swamp to drain the swamp. I’m also not happy with many of those appointments. But another way to look at what is going on here is simply a matter of understanding the reality of this battle. A Presidential administration can only work with given assets. For example, say a new general is tasked with leading an established army fighting a war. The army is old and corrupted to the core and has been infiltrated with self-serving soldiers. The general’s first mission, then, is to reform the army of self-serving, corrupted, egotistical, and nepotistic officers from top to bottom. These officers, and the soldiers under their command, have not been fighting for a collective cause, but only to serve their own interests. How does one reform this army? Does one assign a large number of reformers to the ranks? No doubt these appointments would quickly threaten established comrades in arms and the established order would quickly turn against the new appointees and sabotage those who might expose their deeds (think Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, and Anthony Scaramucci); the only defense against this internal carnage would be to replace the entire army and start from scratch. But how practical is this? The general hasn’t the luxury nor the assets and must use the enlistments available to him. His only and best strategy, then, is to slowly infiltrate the corruption, as he is able.
To the extent that Trump has not replaced every last crook in Washington D.C., and to the extent he has appointed known crooks, I believe this is what is happening, or at least what Trump is attempting.
Posted by Gracy May
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Another possibility. What we're looking at is two factions of the same ds family at war with each other for dominance, like Ali n Frasier slugging it out in Manila blow for blow, Epstein being dragged before a court again one body blow, whatever just happened here the counter blow.
Regardless of the correct scenario, chaos is being sown in its wake, and perhaps thats just fine with both "Ali" AND "Frasier'.
Perhaps. But if this is what is truly happening, I would note one side, either Ali or Frasier, has completely commandeered the MSM propaganda apparatus of the State against its foe. It would appear one of those fighters is in a lopsided battle. If DJT merely represents a faction of the Deep State in an existential battle for control, power, and dominance, it is certainly not evident in the public relations war being waged against DJT and the people.
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