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    Crumbling America

    This film is about the dire shape of America's infrastructure. Libertarians take note. This is not a job for private industry, though they may benefit from govt. sponsored contracts to fix it.

    It's so tiring listening to wealthy nitwits rambling on about the evils of taxation, while 60% of the tax base goes towards blowing up infrastructure in other countries, in war.

    In the mean time, entropy is taking over dams bridges, levees, highways in the U.S. and it amounts to a slow burn, like a time released incendiary device is destroying it all. That and the eroding action of water.

    This documentary is a few years old. I think it was made around 2010, so things may have changed a little. If any Avalonians would like to contribute and let us know if things have changed, please do.

    Also, what's the state of infrastructure in Canada? Looks okay in B.C, but I don't know about the rest of the country.

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    I was gone from the US for 7 years after living and visiting Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
    I had to come back for my father's funeral at Washington Cemetery in DC. I landed at Dulles Airport then had to take a crappy bus a my luggage to reach the rail/subway line because they still hadn't connected it yet. The rail system, stations and cars looked like in came from the 70s. Rather than have an lighted information system to show the upcoming stops the ''driver'' would announce it in a audio distorted microphone that nobody could understand. Many of the stations they announced the elevators were not working neither was the escalators. Luggage? No place to charge your phone

    This should be a national embarrassment

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    Iching,

    It's amazing. The ruling class in the US have so successfully propagandized wayyyyy too many individuals. The U.S is in the state it's in because taxes are so low (I know this because though I am a Canadian I pay taxes to the U.S treasury) it's laughable.

    The U.S has to and eventually will increase taxes on the wealthy, cut the share of taxes that go to the military by 50%. There will be universal health care, which is the much cheaper and more humane alternative to the gouging practices of private insurers. And a very big chunk of the budget will HAVE to be allocated to infrastructure improvements.

    It's high time the U.S joined civilization. Much of it looks like Nigeria at the moment. Not something to be proud of.

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    I feel compelled at this moment to weigh in to try to dispel an incorrect notion that is lurking on this thread, and elsewhere in general. I do not deem it off topic, as it may in some measure address why relatively little money is being committed to improving the infrastructure, or doing anything else beneficial and constructive, as opposed to detrimental or destructive.

    In the USA, taxes on our incomes are not collected and used to pay for goods and services provided by the National government. Rather, the tax on incomes is assessed and collected to pay the interest on the national debt. We in the USA, as well as the people of all countries laboring under the yoke of a central banking system, are more properly classified as "debt-payers" than classified as taxpayers. (We are both, but more the former than the latter.)

    The money, so-called, (mostly "digital money" or "weightless photons in the electromagnetic ether") to pay for all manner of goods and services provided by the USA National government is principally borrowed from the Federal Reserve, and also from other countries (e.g., China and Japan) who buy US Bonds, Treasury Notes and other commercial instruments that have been conceived in the the zero sum-debt/money-casino-Ponzi scheme.

    There is at present a tremendous conflict in priorities about where to put the borrowed money to best use. Swords or plowshares. In a structured society this conflict has always existed and will likely always exist. Unfortunately, those in a position to make the policy decisions on these issues and who desire to wield swords are prevailing over those who would turn the swords into plowshares. If the people of a country are convinced they should be worried about threats arising outside their borders, then its not too hard to convince them to pay little attention to problems within the borders of their country.

    It has been observed that "The power to tax is the power to destroy." To fix the infrastructure by way of income or other taxes, without increasing borrowing (which borrowing itself would have to be beyond realistic and politically, economically and socially acceptable limits to do the job), would tax every US citizen into oblivion.

    Under such a scenario, what good is a infrastructure with a passing grade, say a B rather than a D, when very few people can use it?

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    Yes, a Crumbling Infrastructure . But, the US is still far and away the world's top military superpower.

    You can only spend your (borrowed) money once, right ?

    Priorities.......

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    I feel compelled at this moment to weigh in to try to dispel an incorrect notion that is lurking on this thread, and elsewhere in general. I do not deem it off topic, as it may in some measure address why relatively little money is being committed to improving the infrastructure, or doing anything else beneficial and constructive, as opposed to detrimental or destructive.

    In the USA, taxes on our incomes are not collected and used to pay for goods and services provided by the National government. Rather, the tax on incomes is assessed and collected to pay the interest on the national debt. We in the USA, as well as the people of all countries laboring under the yoke of a central banking system, are more properly classified as "debt-payers" than classified as taxpayers. (We are both, but more the former than the latter.)

    The money, so-called, (mostly "digital money" or "weightless photons in the electromagnetic ether") to pay for all manner of goods and services provided by the USA National government is principally borrowed from the Federal Reserve, and also from other countries (e.g., China and Japan) who buy US Bonds, Treasury Notes and other commercial instruments that have been conceived in the the zero sum-debt/money-casino-Ponzi scheme.

    There is at present a tremendous conflict in priorities about where to put the borrowed money to best use. Swords or plowshares. In a structured society this conflict has always existed and will likely always exist. Unfortunately, those in a position to make the policy decisions on these issues and who desire to wield swords are prevailing over those who would turn the swords into plowshares. If the people of a country are convinced they should be worried about threats arising outside their borders, then its not too hard to convince them to pay little attention to problems within the borders of their country.

    It has been observed that "The power to tax is the power to destroy." To fix the infrastructure by way of income or other taxes, without increasing borrowing (which borrowing itself would have to be beyond realistic and politically, economically and socially acceptable limits to do the job), would tax every US citizen into oblivion.

    Under such a scenario, what good is a infrastructure with a passing grade, say a B rather than a D, when very few people can use it?
    This is exactly right. I would echo your points that taxation on income in the USA has very little to do with the finance of infrastructure. Nor is its purpose to finance any public expenditure for that matter. The government does not need to tax its citizens to build roads and bridges or build airports, or whatever. And technically (although your analysis is absolutely correct) they don't even need to tax their citizens to extinguish debt; but they do need to tax their citizens to control inflation.

    Without taxation the entire debt-based monetary system would explode.

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    At 12:00 AM I don't have the energy left to attack the above subject properly. However, I can say with authority that a very large percentage of Americans are now poor, especially much of those who are retired. Their jobs are dead-end jobs and salaries almost entirely subscribed by utilities, insurance and food. Repairs mean that you must eat less, if possible. In such a situation, inflation is not the creation of these poor people but the province, almost entirely, of the Greedy Bankers and their Expanding Vacuous Vicious Money Lending System which Creates Debts which are not backed by goods and which cannot be repaid because they have not printed enough valueless paper money to cover it all.

    Also, they now inform people that the little money you possess in their Banks, belongs to them and not to you, the final THEFT. The President must give the Federal Reserve their walking papers and PRINT AMERICA'S CURRENCY FOR THE PEOPLE AS PRESIDENT KENNEDY DID, otherwise the digital currency they wish to slam us with would be our final death knell. They want us totally enslaved to them with no way out. IF OUR CURRENCY BE FIAT PAPER, LET IT BE IN OUR HANDS. THROW THE BASTARDS OUT, USE OUR TAXES FOR THE NEEDS OF THE NATION AND THROW OUT THE FALSE MEDICAL SYSTEM WHICH CREATS DEATH AND BRING IN NATURAL MEDICINE FOR WHICH MEDICAL INSURANCE CAN BE USED. This BLOCK CHAIN digital money is just a ruse to further enslave us. Blocks and Chains are for prisoners headed to death row.

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    At 12:00 AM I don't have the energy left to attack the above subject properly. However, I can say with authority that a very large percentage of Americans are now poor, especially much of those who are retired. Their jobs are dead-end jobs and salaries almost entirely subscribed by utilities, insurance and food. Repairs mean that you must eat less, if possible. In such a situation, inflation is not the creation of these poor people but the province, almost entirely, of the Greedy Bankers and their Expanding Vacuous Vicious Money Lending System which Creates Debts which are not backed by goods and which cannot be repaid because they have not printed enough valueless paper money to cover it all.

    Also, they now inform people that the little money you possess in their Banks, belongs to them and not to you, the final THEFT. The President must give the Federal Reserve their walking papers and PRINT AMERICA'S CURRENCY FOR THE PEOPLE AS PRESIDENT KENNEDY DID, otherwise the digital currency they wish to slam us with would be our final death knell. They want us totally enslaved to them with no way out. IF OUR CURRENCY BE FIAT PAPER, LET IT BE IN OUR HANDS. THROW THE BASTARDS OUT, USE OUR TAXES FOR THE NEEDS OF THE NATION AND THROW OUT THE FALSE MEDICAL SYSTEM WHICH CREATS DEATH AND BRING IN NATURAL MEDICINE FOR WHICH MEDICAL INSURANCE CAN BE USED. This BLOCK CHAIN digital money is just a ruse to further enslave us. Blocks and Chains are for prisoners headed to death row.
    At the risk of getting off topic, I'll just add inflation is never the creation of people; it's the creation of the Federal Reserve. Taking $ out of the people's pockets is just a tool of the FR to keep their ponzi scheme stable. It's also somewhat of a misnomer to characterize them as "greedy" bankers; given the power of fiat one doesn't envisage money in the same way we serfs do; it really has nothing to do with greed. They care about power and control and subjugation. So your observations above describing a condition of enslavement to the bank is absolutely correct.

    Now, to circle all these observations back to topic and relevant to this thread, when we discuss things like the nation's crumbling infrastructure, it's important to understand, in my view, that taxation or lack thereof, or even the priority of expenditure, isn't the culprit (although, as pointed out by the OP and others, the U.S. would likely have a much more robust infrastructure if the PTB were not instead usurping America's resources to sustain their power via military domination and the quest for global hegemony.

    America and her crumbling infrastructure, which has been commandeered and possessed by this power structure for the very purpose to subjugate her poor citizens whose dead-end jobs and salaries are almost entirely subscribed by utilities, insurance and food, as well as to subjugate the people of the entire world, has fallen prey to a very small group of power brokers attempting to usher in a neo-feudalist system of global government where they get to play the subjugation game over the rest of us. If we ever hope to build up our nation's infrastructure we might want to understand this objective may just be at odds with the objectives of those who are actually running the country into the ground.

    Yeah, we could take our government back from these thugs, as you suggest. There are entire (and very controversial) threads here on Avalon that explore this very thing.

    I would also point out that did not work out so well for Kennedy or the people the last time we tried. We may have to be a little more clever about it this time around.

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    It is almost like the controllers don't foresee a future for our country or even for Earth. Why spend money on repairs when it's all going to crap anyway, either by design or by intuition/knowing. If they have some diabolical plan for an apocalyptic end, why fix anything? A case could certainly be made for such an end, what with the underground structures and plans for constant turmoil and discord. Working hard to get to the end where only a handful survive?
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    Quote Posted by conk (here)
    It is almost like the controllers don't foresee a future for our country or even for Earth. Why spend money on repairs when it's all going to crap anyway, either by design or by intuition/knowing. If they have some diabolical plan for an apocalyptic end, why fix anything? A case could certainly be made for such an end, what with the underground structures and plans for constant turmoil and discord. Working hard to get to the end where only a handful survive?
    Or put another way, it wouldn't be the end of the world if the United States and other 1st world countries slide to 3rd-world status -- as long as the existing infrastructure continues to support the machinations of power, e.g., the military industrial complex, Big Pharma, Big Tech, etc., and a small class of elites that crop up around them.

    If you want to envision what the future of such a society might look like, the movie Elysium comes to mind...

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    Raising income tax on the wealthy, closing loopholes, forbidding offshoring capital in tax havens and shelters, reducing military spending by 50% would go a long way to pay down debt, as well.

    An altogether different topic but tangentially related is the plan for the national debt, in the future. Either the plan is to default or monetize the debt by trashing the currency all together. If that is the case gold will spike to crazy high levels. Paying down debt with gold reserves, in that case would be a snap. It also may be a way for the U.S. to maintain its reserve currency status.

    As far as letting infrastructure crumble to the extent it has, being part of an overarching rapture ready phenomenon...don't think so. But that could definitely happen in the future as the fundy fascists are salivating for power.

    Love the Elysium comparison. Bang on. Thanks to everyone for your well thought out opinions. I appreciate them all.

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    I feel compelled at this moment to weigh in to try to dispel an incorrect notion that is lurking on this thread, and elsewhere in general. I do not deem it off topic, as it may in some measure address why relatively little money is being committed to improving the infrastructure, or doing anything else beneficial and constructive, as opposed to detrimental or destructive.

    In the USA, taxes on our incomes are not collected and used to pay for goods and services provided by the National government. Rather, the tax on incomes is assessed and collected to pay the interest on the national debt. We in the USA, as well as the people of all countries laboring under the yoke of a central banking system, are more properly classified as "debt-payers" than classified as taxpayers. (We are both, but more the former than the latter.)

    The money, so-called, (mostly "digital money" or "weightless photons in the electromagnetic ether") to pay for all manner of goods and services provided by the USA National government is principally borrowed from the Federal Reserve, and also from other countries (e.g., China and Japan) who buy US Bonds, Treasury Notes and other commercial instruments that have been conceived in the the zero sum-debt/money-casino-Ponzi scheme.

    There is at present a tremendous conflict in priorities about where to put the borrowed money to best use. Swords or plowshares. In a structured society this conflict has always existed and will likely always exist. Unfortunately, those in a position to make the policy decisions on these issues and who desire to wield swords are prevailing over those who would turn the swords into plowshares. If the people of a country are convinced they should be worried about threats arising outside their borders, then its not too hard to convince them to pay little attention to problems within the borders of their country.

    It has been observed that "The power to tax is the power to destroy." To fix the infrastructure by way of income or other taxes, without increasing borrowing (which borrowing itself would have to be beyond realistic and politically, economically and socially acceptable limits to do the job), would tax every US citizen into oblivion.

    Under such a scenario, what good is a infrastructure with a passing grade, say a B rather than a D, when very few people can use it?
    This is exactly right. I would echo your points that taxation on income in the USA has very little to do with the finance of infrastructure. Nor is its purpose to finance any public expenditure for that matter. The government does not need to tax its citizens to build roads and bridges or build airports, or whatever. And technically (although your analysis is absolutely correct) they don't even need to tax their citizens to extinguish debt; but they do need to tax their citizens to control inflation.

    Without taxation the entire debt-based monetary system would explode.
    Indeed. That is why in the USA the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amnd to the US Constitution both came into being in 1913. It was necessary to tax incomes as a hedge against the monetary inflation perpetrated by the Federal Reserve when it began creating money out of thin air on a permanent basis as a matter of National policy. They knew that then, I. e, pre 1913 and they know that now.

    However, over time the interest on the debt became so huge that the hedge against inflation in the form of a tax on incomes had to be diverted from using the tax for National/federal programs and instead directed to making payments towards the interest on the National/federal debt. The creditors demanded this and they got it, plus much, much more security for the loans

    The interest alone is not payable. Interest owed exceeds the principal borrowed/created and which is due under the loan documents.

    In a central banking system all money is debt. That is, money comes into existence when some one (an individual, or private or public entity) borrows it. (Conversely, when a debt is discharged money goes out of existence dollar-for-dollar, or pro tanto.) When money is created, only the principal comes into being. Central banks do not created the interest needed to discharge the liability by "paying" the principal and interest back. At any point in time, the money to pay the interest must be obtained from the existing store of money in supply. We compete amongst ourselves to get the money we need to discharge our debts. But, more is owed then the money in existence to discharge the liability in "payment" of the obligation. That is, the total of principal and interest in existence and in circulation and which needs to be returned to the central bank to discharge the liability (notice I did not say "pay" the liability) pursuant to the terms of the commercial/financial instruments exceeds all so-called money in supply and circulation. The interest alone is astronomical and cannot be paid to discharge all obligations. Forget about ever paying back the principal. It's a zero sum game that we all compete in. There are winners and losers. It's all baked into the cake.

    What is needed is a Jubilee and then get rid of central banks and the banksters.
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