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    Feeling very uncomfortable about posting now, just to let you all know. I so don’t like to be misread.
    The forum has changed so much from how I knew it, I now regret that I returned after my two year absense. Once I lose trust I’m gone.

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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

    No. Its not censorship

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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    ...Last year, when I called out Dennis for his behavior in the Q thread, at the time, it was because I felt Dennis was essentially harrassing Paul.

    For three or more pages people tried to have a civil conversation with him. I felt he did not reply in kind.

    He painted all members of that thread with broad negative stereotyping.

    And refused to consider or respect the information others presented to him.

    Paul remained calm and gentlemanly throughout the whole exchange. As he always does.

    It sounds to me as if someone in the background has stirred up a case against Paul?

    I often felt that people were taking advantage of Paul's good nature.

    Paul left for many reasons, and in a positive way that continued to support and respect Avalon.

    Maligning his character is completely uncalled for.
    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    ...I'm not really into the whole "name and shame" thing.
    ...but you've decided to make an exception to name and shame Dennis Leahy. Actually, what you've done is termed "slander."

    The tl/dr in the Q thread was me, entering that thread to ask if it was true, that Q was actually broadcasting the same message as the Zionists for the past decades. I quickly found out 1.) it was true, Q came out as a Zionist and warmonger, 2.) not one single qanon researcher at Avalon, not one, even noticed, and 3.) when the actual exact words/meme/tweet that Q had 'dropped' were repeated in the thread, with alarms ringing and searchlights highlighting that this was Q overtly coming out as a Zionist and warmonger, the qanon "researchers" wanted to blast me out of the thread rather than sit in stunned silence and recognize reality. One qanon researcher declared that Q's words actually meant the exact opposite of what was written by Q. (If it hasn't been edited, go take a look, it would be hilarious if it wasn't deadly serious war propaganda that was the subject.)

    So, the whole Q mystery unraveled at that moment.

    It was over.

    Now, everyone knew for certain that Q is a Zionist, a warmonger, and that the whole Q thing is propaganda.

    Everyone knew.

    Everyone.

    But, at the speed of light, cognitive dissonance performed its miraculous task of disengaging the critical thinking pathways, and the new issue instead became the rude interruption of Dennis Leahy. How dare he! How dare he read Q's words and figure out that those words are a declaration of solidarity with the primary agenda of the Zionists! Slander him! Attack his character!

    Q: "What was the first thing that you did when you heard Q come out as a Zionist and warmonger?"
    A: "Oh, I chased after Dennis Leahy with a big stick. Damn party pooper!"

    Turns out, I wasn't the only one that heard the sound of the needle scratching across the record.

    There are Q loyalists that would (and will continue to) create excuses for Q no matter what. Q could dig up your grandma's corpse and have sex with it, and some of the Q loyalists would find a way to excuse it.

    Now, here we are, months later, with the qanon "researchers" still averting their eyes and pretending that Q is not a Zionist and a warmonger and partisan cheerleader for the Deep State's Commander-in-Chief du jour (currently conducting war in at least 4 sovereign nations - all of which were on the Deep State agenda before trump came to office.)

    What to do?

    Oh, I know! Slander Dennis Leahy some more! He's a witch! See if he floats!

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    Paul. I gave Paul my friendship, and "worked" with him for years here. I'm actually embarrassed to admit that I thought we had a deep bond more like family than just friends - it was evidently all in my head. I also admit that I tried to save Paul from the Q cult, because he was my friend, and he was falling for a con. He did later (in the mods area) make it very clear to me that he was not my friend. In the mods area, he basically ruled the Q thread - for instance, when members complained about one poster placing his "my take" links to an online blog/column in (I think it was) the New York Times, Paul overruled everyone, said it was fine, said that it helped spread the Q message to the NYT crowd, and "case closed." Most of the mods just shut up (now, they all left.) Paul wasn't just publicly protecting the Q thread from dissent, he controlled it from the admin/mod standpoint as well.

    As Bill has already told everyone, Paul wasn't listening to Bill either. I think it is wonderful that a number of people are praising Paul for all the work he did - he put in more hours than you could believe - but the reality is that Paul did create a huge problem by protecting the Q thread from dissent. Protected, some members (like that "Voice_" guy) started taking the alt-right trump pep rally out into other various threads, and a forum exodus of frustrated, fed-up, long-time members began.

    The reason Bill has asked me several times to come back into the mods and help out is because he knows I'll be honest, and will not shy away from something just because it is uncomfortable. Bill and the mods were trying to figure out just where the negativity and assholishness was coming from, and sure, some came from "Voice_", but I could see the 2 main vectors: I called them the elephants in the room. One was the Q thread protected from dissent (every other thread on Avalon allowed dissent), and the other is that Bill has stated that he supports Trump (which I'm convinced is actually not true, I believe that he supported -past tense- warlock trump against witch hillary, and doesn't actually support a single one of trump's actions.) In both cases, it helped to feather a nest for one of the US duopoly political parties and for Q supporters.

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    Censoring:
    The 'flat earth' cult and blue chicken cult are subjects that have been shoved off the table here. In my opinion, the Q thread is ruined, permanently toxic because it did not allow dissent. There SHOULD have been a Q thread here at Avalon, just not a US republican party cheerleading thread. Having a thread opposing Q (started by a qanon believer, and overrun with pro-Q rhetoric) was NOT the same as having unbiased people examine the "Q drops" one-by-one, in real-time, and post dissenting commentary. If the existing thread remains (I'm sure it will), it should include disclaimers that it is not from normal Project Avalon discourse with dissent, that it is nearly 100% pro-Q and pro-Trump biased thread created by Q supporters and Trump supporters. Embarrassing for Avalon to be associated with Q believers and Trump defenders. There is no good solution when I consider that the thread that the Q supporters and Trump supporters want is utterly biased, and worst of all, never ending.

    Don't forget this is Bill's forum. Not Paul's, not Dennis', not edina's. Why doesn't someone start a Q forum? Here's free software: phpbb. You can have a whole forum without Q dissent, a whole forum of people to cheer on the Shadow Government's latest lackey, Trump. Why settle for one or two threads at Avalon?


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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Feeling very uncomfortable about posting now, just to let you all know. I so don’t like to be misread.
    The forum has changed so much from how I knew it, I now regret that I returned after my two year absense. Once I lose trust I’m gone.
    50, no wait, 55+ minutes and counting…

    I write part of a sentence. Delete it. Write another. And delete again.

    I’m waiting for my fingers to knock out something profound or comforting or, or, or. I got a nothin’. Only to say, ulli, I understand your reservations.

    I’d suggest do what I do - log off and try again tomorrow. It use to be I’d hit that wall every month or so. Now it’s almost daily. No blame. Just honest sharing.

    It could be I’m at a cross roads. Maybe we all are at a cross road and we’re fighting it and fighting one another.


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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Feeling very uncomfortable about posting now, just to let you all know. I so don’t like to be misread.
    The forum has changed so much from how I knew it, I now regret that I returned after my two year absense. Once I lose trust I’m gone.
    I totally agree with you Ulli, this place does not even adhere to its basic principals. It has become a dead slot in the bingo game.

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    So Trump is a Zionist and a warmonger?
    If he really is a zionist where will it leave those bankers when he gets rid of fiat currency?
    And besides, if the Zionist win world dominion I’m happy it wasn’t the Vatican nor China nor the Muslims. As a woman I would rather live under Zionist rule. And what is the worst that can happen? Porn movie makers can’t influence me as I don’t watch that stuff. And nor can the Zionist bankers as we don’t let ourselves slip into debt.

    And what about that warmongering he is supposedly doing? So what happened in NK, and then later it was 150 Iranian lives that stopped him striking Iran. When it was the opposition that wanted to set him up, and even did a happy dance after they convinced him to go to war. Then he changed his mind minutes later, but their secret plot was recorded on camera, as they danced in the carpark outside.
    I look at all the propaganda, all sides, I read a lot, and I also follow his astro chart. He makes people believe he is going to do A and then says he will do B but in the end does C. And he has Bolton and Pompeo on a leash, to use only when absolutely necessary.

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    Is anyone else sensing hatred let me strike that word emotional anger is a better one. It's not the same us members being years on the forum... I'm afraid that we are not listening to each other and attacking our own members. The Q phenomenon was never about division we can use some love.
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    Hey yall, I'm new in these parts. Part of the reason I joined was the lack of public access to the Q threads as I am quite interested in reading some intellectual debunking.

    My thoughts are this.

    This forum is kind of like, I imagine a bar with a bouncer out front and there's an event inside and he's like, "hey. $5 for cover, bro." Me personally? I balk at cover fees. I have entered a location ONCE where they asked for a cover fee, because I knew the band. Is this censorship? I know the real reason (they expect you will spend more money if you were willing to spend money to get in) is just to juice up the crowd.

    So Avalon Forums doesn't ask for a cover fee, it asks for you to read what are easily the longest rules I've EVER encountered for a forum and for you to fill in an application. While this brings up questions with the thread which suggested it was an "easy application process", it also conclusively demonstrated the quality standard of the forum.

    Say I want access to the back area of the hospital, to get that job I have to fill in an application and get hired and then I have access to more areas. Is that censorship? Say you want to get into a college class, and they require you have math 3 and chemistry 3, is that censorship?

    So taking these two examples in mind, I view the choice to "censor" the Q threads as not in fact censorship at all. It's bait. If they hadn't been hidden from the public, I probably would not have joined the forum. They took an appealing subject and said, "hey if you want to talk about this, join our forum" and really anyone can join, as long as they're willing to spend fifteen minutes filling out the form.

    I don't have a problem with the Q threads being non-public as I see the potential in it to draw in other new members who would be so interested in the content they'll get over the membership hurdle of writing a little bit more. This could be beneficial, especially as my skim of this thread suggests a measure of dissatisfaction among older members. While there are degrees of censorship here I DO take umbrage with in my observations, eh, it's not my forum, it has very high standards and thus needs rules to maintain that, and the internet's huge enough I can deal with it or find somewhere else to post if it becomes problematic now that I'm cautiously attempting to engage here. Which is why of course I'm picking this extremely controversial topic for my first real post... for real, I'm dropping my thoughts because the very reason I joined is encompassed in this notion, along with a motley of other relevant interests.

    I see the decision as having benefit for growing the forum. I actually think it would be great if a summary of member's only subjects was stuck in a very visible place in the public side as a lure to get people to join the forum and hopefully be willing to engage rather than lurk.

    Similarly, my thoughts on "paid access" material are that it is not a form of censorship to have to buy a product. Public libraries exist as a step in the direction of making as many books as possible available to people but when it comes to rapidly changing technology, their databases have not always caught up. Yet one of my public libraries has a Maker Space which gives access to all sorts of wild technology like 3D printers and growing fast! So I do not believe it's the responsibility of the creator of information to offer it for free, but for organizations such as libraries to take efforts to offer access to video course databases and such for free. It would be awesome if there was a way to "audit" material like it's possible to "audit" a university class for no credit. Right now, our world is dependent on a notion of money, and while I struggle against it at every possible moment by offering goods and services freely for trade and barter, encouraging a life of abundance in ways other than money exchange, as things stand the only way for dedicated information providers to make their living is by doing things like selling courses, books, and videos. I support exactly one person by a monthly donation for their videos at this time, and wish I could do more.

    My feelings are likely swayed by being a content creator myself, though not in this field. I love giving away pieces of my product and even to this day, make plans to offer free downloadables. But my main income comes from people buying, not people downloading and reading my tutorials. That brings me joy knowing the world is a better place. I can't eat joy. Neither can Richard Dolan.

    Peace and love.
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    I just see deep deep division...a chasm that seems impossible to bridge. Its weird in a way because I know this is the elites agenda....and if there is any group that should be able to be immune to, or at least conscious of this programming it is Avalon members. But alas, it seems even we awake and aware types are un able to build bridges and keep the community operating as a united whole.

    Edit....this was a response to Mojos post about sensing hatred.

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    Quote Posted by Tae (here)
    Hey yall, I'm new in these parts.
    Peace and love.
    Welcome to Avalon.
    Peace and Love back, Tae.


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    Hmmmm....
    And Welcome to the jungle Tae.
    There's a clearing out ahead and when we reach it, we may realize that the jungle is what WE make it.

    As I don't remember commenting on Q, irregardless of it's veracity, I singularly write here about the rarity of this forum.

    In the community we share I have always felt the need, the prerequisite of inclusion here, to take on the singular, personal responsibility of growing into a way to communicate any opinion I have, looking for a common understanding if it can be found. In watching my thought processes I have found my lacks and my strengths, both in the form of communicating and the content of my intentions.

    Through this all I must say that I have experienced the heartfelt intention of care and honest introspection that formed the forum in the first place. I wouldn't be here if there would not have been the community of brothers and sisters whose communications, way beyond those of the founder, have made it what it is.

    The great gift of this sense of ownership I feel in this forum gives me much more than mere discussions upon subjects. It has given me the perspective of how I discuss those things I do and how much emotion I instill into my objections. Did I forget that I was talking to myself, since the natural form of Avalon gave me the space to create it?

    I have written more, about the intricacies within all of the Q'nesses presented here, that I will not include because I see those opinions and insights as obvious, in your face truths, both revealing and at times highly manipulated, with subtleties that every effort worth it's core becomes.

    It seems that instead of those threads existing on Avalon as means to grow, to learn, to wash away bias they have tested the power of our abilities to become the better. That in itself is not a failure, but a learning and hopefully an impetus to do the real meditation that finds truth beyond the words.

    It is more important to me to get back to the strong-hearted intent of this forum, beyond any pain that dissension may create. Getting to the heart of why it is painful is a gift that only self-searching can remove.

    In Gratitude............
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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    I’m not on that thread for the politics. I never really really noticed that part. Maybe some of the videos which people share contain political content, but that doesn’t make the whole thread about politics.
    And being accused of bad manners is incredibly unfair, when I have greatest respect for Bill and have defended him many times in the past when members became unruly.

    I’m not even American, nor am I interested in the least in party-political debates. You obviously don’t know me at all.
    Like Dennis, I actually believe in a massive system change which requires getting rid of politicians altogether, and have the people of the earth find a new way of governing themselves.
    But how to get there from here? Lets use some common sense, please.

    To me this Q investigation is about the disclosure of huge worldwide crime networks, that kidnap people and children for organ harvesting and sex slavery. Or think the massive 9/11 crime. Or think the wars that were started for oil in the middle east, and possibly not only oil, but even for alien artifacts that Saddam was collecting. It is disclosing the war that is going on behind the scenes.
    All these terrible crimes against humanity are subjects which I saw being discussed frequently on Avalon before.

    So we have some cynics here who think that no one on that world stage is capable of being good, and seeing those crimes for what they really are, and have the means to bring about law and order, even if it is only temporary?


    If you took a bit more time investigating some of the videos you might even agree with me. I’m there expecting the process of the unfolding of the disclosure we all have been waiting for. What is wrong with that?


    Which included many types of disclosure; the disclosure of alien abduction, secret military projects, MKUltra programming, and hidden government cover-ups. The poisonous plot to kill a large percentage of humanity, and take control of the planet for the next 50,000 + years. So much fear has been thrown at us, all our lives.

    That disclosure is what I see that thread moving towards. That thread which you only see as “political” while at the same time admitting that you don’t even follow the thread.
    Maybe Bill doesnt either, but maybe he is irritated that there is so much activity there. People are getting excited.

    The fact that a boorish man (Donald Trump) who is not even a politician at all took on the challenge to seek the highest seat of power to sneakily combat those same crimes against humanity to me is a very clever act, an act of bravery. He has more clout than any of us here. And I believe he also knows a lot more than any of us, and also has a lot more patience. And he knows how to play dumb and not appear too clever, which to me is the real scoop.
    Thank you Ulli, for replying..

    First I want to apologize to you if I offended you in any way, that was not my intent. Truly that first part of my post was the only part directed at you, and that was about the censorship. My apologizes for not clarifying that. (The question was broken up so I could see how you thought the entire post was directed at you, sorry for that)

    I want to tell you I do agree with you.. And on many things.. But the censorship issue is not one of them.. That's all. And I was trying to ask you a question, it just came out wrong.

    You bring up so many good points that others are/may be missing.. For example the other topics that you mentioned that the "Q" subject brings to the table. Avalon does indeed have places for all of those topics.. You mentioned many of them, and I have seen other threads that address those topics individually giving them the attention that they deserve. So moving or removing the thread wouldn't at all censor those conversations. They're all over Avalon.

    So my question is, is it censorship when really the only thing that Bill has suggested he not want on the site was the politics? And if we do have all of these things here already, is it truly censorship, to just ask the people to move those same conversations (And videos) to the appropriate threads? Instead of one that is highly political in nature and containing topics that Bill has asked that we not address?

    The conversations on specific topics could continue. I respect that people get something out of that thread, but if the politics in that thread are chasing people away, or causing really nice members to begin to have really negative reactions towards others, is it really that important to keep that one thread? When all of the other topics are being covered and the only one NOT, is the politics that we were kindly asked not to in the first place?

    I just had another friend tell me they are leaving Avalon today. This really hurts my heart. But I see why.. So rather then either of us pick a side ( I have no side in this other than watching people drop around me and getting frustrated seeing it happen).. can we try to help find a solution in the middle somewhere? Even in this thread I am seeing people becoming very hostile, and it hurts my heart. So as a pro Q supporter, and myself, one who could take it or leave it, what could we make forward momentum on, that could set a good example for others on a larger scale to work with?
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

    So, the whole Q mystery unraveled at that moment.

    It was over.

    Now, everyone knew for certain that Q is a Zionist, a warmonger, and that the whole Q thing is propaganda.

    Everyone knew.

    Everyone.

    But, at the speed of light, cognitive dissonance performed its miraculous task of disengaging the critical thinking pathways, and the new issue instead became the rude interruption of Dennis Leahy. How dare he! How dare he read Q's words and figure out that those words are a declaration of solidarity with the primary agenda of the Zionists! Slander him! Attack his character!

    Q: "What was the first thing that you did when you heard Q come out as a Zionist and warmonger?"
    A: "Oh, I chased after Dennis Leahy with a big stick. Damn party pooper!"
    WOW so sorry the Q debate appears, perhaps in your mind, to be all about you because some people don’t agree with your political perspectives and don’t take your article links as gospel evidence to back up your opinions.

    Do you even consider that your oracle may not hold the absolute truth? Maybe if you talked to people with a shred of equality you would hold more sway.


    Quote There are Q loyalists that would (and will continue to) create excuses for Q no matter what. Q could dig up your grandma's corpse and have sex with it, and some of the Q loyalists would find a way to excuse it.
    Bloody hell mate, seriously? Hey, don’t hold back . . .

    Talk about “elephants in the room”.

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    As a follower from the sidelines with an intense desire to look through there‘s one thing I‘d love to hear/read above all:

    I‘d love the Q-researchers to name three, five, oh better ten examples where Q drops seemed to be misleading, meaningless or somehow disturbing and made them unsecure about the whole thing for a split second.

    And I‘d love the Q-critics to name the three, five, oh better ten examples where the Q group did great work, published important and verifyable messages and made them think ‚hmm Q . . . not bad‘ for a moment.

    Such moments must exist. If it is a hoax and psy-op all together there must be valuable information in it, too . . . and vice versa. If Q truly were the chance of the century to get rid of the deep state/evil/controllers part of it is coopted and infiltrated, too, of course.

    I know the topic is Q-related censorship/or not - so it is slightly edge-topic. It‘d belong to another Q-thread, I‘ve lost the overview of which is which. Apologies for the imprecise choice of words. To think along the lines suggested above would require genuine courage, I guess. It would not change a thing about who/what Q in reality is but it would change the opponent’s attitude towards each other, maybe.

    I‘m tempted to make the 100% right prediction that this post will go unnoticed and drown in this sea of irrationality and hurt feelings. Or not.
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    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    As a follower from the sidelines with an intense desire to look through there‘s one thing I‘d love to hear/read above all:

    I‘d love the Q-researchers to name three, five, oh better ten examples where Q drops seemed to be misleading, meaningless or somehow disturbing and made them unsecure about the whole thing for a split second.

    And I‘d love the Q-critics to name the three, five, oh better ten examples where the Q group did great work, published important and verifyable messages and made them think ‚hmm Q . . . not bad‘ for a moment.

    Such moments must exist. If it is a hoax and psy-op all together there must be valuable information in it, too . . . and vice versa. If Q truly were the chance of the century to get rid of the deep state/evil/controllers part of it is coopted and infiltrated, too, of course.

    I know the topic is Q-related censorship/or not - so it is slightly edge-topic. It‘d belong to another Q-thread, I‘ve lost the overview of which is which. Apologies for the imprecise choice of words. To think along the lines suggested above would require genuine courage, I guess. It would not change a thing about who/what Q in reality is but it would change the opponent’s attitude towards each other, maybe.

    I‘m tempted to make the 100% right prediction that this post will go unnoticed and drown in this sea of irrationality and hurt feelings. Or not.


    I think this is an excellent suggestion. Even to just open up a level playing field for people to gain a perspective from an informed neutral point as it is impossible to expect members wishing to discuss the censorship topic to spend hundreds of hours reading Q threads to try and piece together what is being said from both sides of the fence.

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    Bill have you ever considered making the whole forum private and not just some threads? That extra step to view the content might be a blessing in disguise.

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

    Don't forget this is Bill's forum. Not Paul's, not Dennis', not edina's. Why doesn't someone start a Q forum? Here's free software: phpbb. You can have a whole forum without Q dissent, a whole forum of people to cheer on the Shadow Government's latest lackey, Trump. Why settle for one or two threads at Avalon?
    Great idea! Anyone have a friendly forum in mind I (we) can go?

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    There are old friends and family that I have, coming to tell me this or that about various deep state shennanigans which I've know about for years, if not decades. Whether Q is a larp or a military intelligence operation doesn't really matter to me, as the value is in people who are open to such ideas who before were not.

    Is there disinfo or misinfo in the drops, sure, but a lot of it is true, too. It is definitely legitimate in a way that none of the previous witnesses/whistleblowers/insiders have been, as they've come and gone in the alt media.

    I disagree with the action taken in removing the threads from public view, but I understand that the mods wish to not have the Q discussion as part of the public face of the forum. My own reading and research will go on, unimpeded.
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    Quote Posted by Chuck (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

    Don't forget this is Bill's forum. Not Paul's, not Dennis', not edina's. Why doesn't someone start a Q forum? Here's free software: phpbb. You can have a whole forum without Q dissent, a whole forum of people to cheer on the Shadow Government's latest lackey, Trump. Why settle for one or two threads at Avalon?
    Great idea! Anyone have a friendly forum in mind I (we) can go?
    Well, besides the friendly forum you're already on Chuck, and the suggestion from Dennis as a supplement, i hear 8 chan is just lovely this time of year to satisfy all of ones q needs.

    In all seriousness though, there is always room for differering parties of good faith to find agreeable middle ground. Actually wasnt it already found?

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    ...Last year, when I called out Dennis for his behavior in the Q thread, at the time, it was because I felt Dennis was essentially harrassing Paul.

    For three or more pages people tried to have a civil conversation with him. I felt he did not reply in kind.

    He painted all members of that thread with broad negative stereotyping.

    And refused to consider or respect the information others presented to him.

    Paul remained calm and gentlemanly throughout the whole exchange. As he always does.

    It sounds to me as if someone in the background has stirred up a case against Paul?

    I often felt that people were taking advantage of Paul's good nature.

    Paul left for many reasons, and in a positive way that continued to support and respect Avalon.

    Maligning his character is completely uncalled for.
    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    ...I'm not really into the whole "name and shame" thing.
    ...but you've decided to make an exception to name and shame Dennis Leahy. Actually, what you've done is termed "slander."

    The tl/dr in the Q thread was me, entering that thread to ask if it was true, that Q was actually broadcasting the same message as the Zionists for the past decades. I quickly found out 1.) it was true, Q came out as a Zionist and warmonger, 2.) not one single qanon researcher at Avalon, not one, even noticed, and 3.) when the actual exact words/meme/tweet that Q had 'dropped' were repeated in the thread, with alarms ringing and searchlights highlighting that this was Q overtly coming out as a Zionist and warmonger, the qanon "researchers" wanted to blast me out of the thread rather than sit in stunned silence and recognize reality. One qanon researcher declared that Q's words actually meant the exact opposite of what was written by Q. (If it hasn't been edited, go take a look, it would be hilarious if it wasn't deadly serious war propaganda that was the subject.)

    So, the whole Q mystery unraveled at that moment.

    It was over.

    Now, everyone knew for certain that Q is a Zionist, a warmonger, and that the whole Q thing is propaganda.

    Everyone knew.

    Everyone.

    But, at the speed of light, cognitive dissonance performed its miraculous task of disengaging the critical thinking pathways, and the new issue instead became the rude interruption of Dennis Leahy. How dare he! How dare he read Q's words and figure out that those words are a declaration of solidarity with the primary agenda of the Zionists! Slander him! Attack his character!

    Q: "What was the first thing that you did when you heard Q come out as a Zionist and warmonger?"
    A: "Oh, I chased after Dennis Leahy with a big stick. Damn party pooper!"

    Turns out, I wasn't the only one that heard the sound of the needle scratching across the record.

    There are Q loyalists that would (and will continue to) create excuses for Q no matter what. Q could dig up your grandma's corpse and have sex with it, and some of the Q loyalists would find a way to excuse it.

    Now, here we are, months later, with the qanon "researchers" still averting their eyes and pretending that Q is not a Zionist and a warmonger and partisan cheerleader for the Deep State's Commander-in-Chief du jour (currently conducting war in at least 4 sovereign nations - all of which were on the Deep State agenda before trump came to office.)

    What to do?

    Oh, I know! Slander Dennis Leahy some more! He's a witch! See if he floats!

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    Paul. I gave Paul my friendship, and "worked" with him for years here. I'm actually embarrassed to admit that I thought we had a deep bond more like family than just friends - it was evidently all in my head. I also admit that I tried to save Paul from the Q cult, because he was my friend, and he was falling for a con. He did later (in the mods area) make it very clear to me that he was not my friend. In the mods area, he basically ruled the Q thread - for instance, when members complained about one poster placing his "my take" links to an online blog/column in (I think it was) the New York Times, Paul overruled everyone, said it was fine, said that it helped spread the Q message to the NYT crowd, and "case closed." Most of the mods just shut up (now, they all left.) Paul wasn't just publicly protecting the Q thread from dissent, he controlled it from the admin/mod standpoint as well.

    As Bill has already told everyone, Paul wasn't listening to Bill either. I think it is wonderful that a number of people are praising Paul for all the work he did - he put in more hours than you could believe - but the reality is that Paul did create a huge problem by protecting the Q thread from dissent. Protected, some members (like that "Voice_" guy) started taking the alt-right trump pep rally out into other various threads, and a forum exodus of frustrated, fed-up, long-time members began.

    The reason Bill has asked me several times to come back into the mods and help out is because he knows I'll be honest, and will not shy away from something just because it is uncomfortable. Bill and the mods were trying to figure out just where the negativity and assholishness was coming from, and sure, some came from "Voice_", but I could see the 2 main vectors: I called them the elephants in the room. One was the Q thread protected from dissent (every other thread on Avalon allowed dissent), and the other is that Bill has stated that he supports Trump (which I'm convinced is actually not true, I believe that he supported -past tense- warlock trump against witch hillary, and doesn't actually support a single one of trump's actions.) In both cases, it helped to feather a nest for one of the US duopoly political parties and for Q supporters.

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    Censoring:
    The 'flat earth' cult and blue chicken cult are subjects that have been shoved off the table here. In my opinion, the Q thread is ruined, permanently toxic because it did not allow dissent. There SHOULD have been a Q thread here at Avalon, just not a US republican party cheerleading thread. Having a thread opposing Q (started by a qanon believer, and overrun with pro-Q rhetoric) was NOT the same as having unbiased people examine the "Q drops" one-by-one, in real-time, and post dissenting commentary. If the existing thread remains (I'm sure it will), it should include disclaimers that it is not from normal Project Avalon discourse with dissent, that it is nearly 100% pro-Q and pro-Trump biased thread created by Q supporters and Trump supporters. Embarrassing for Avalon to be associated with Q believers and Trump defenders. There is no good solution when I consider that the thread that the Q supporters and Trump supporters want is utterly biased, and worst of all, never ending.

    Don't forget this is Bill's forum. Not Paul's, not Dennis', not edina's. Why doesn't someone start a Q forum? Here's free software: phpbb. You can have a whole forum without Q dissent, a whole forum of people to cheer on the Shadow Government's latest lackey, Trump. Why settle for one or two threads at Avalon?
    So you were asked to come back as a moderator to help out? Personally, I find it rather strange that someone with such strong, emotional opinions about the topic would be selected to deal with the Q issue since a moderator is supposed to maintain an unbiased approach. Your intervention happened happened while Bill stepped away from the forum for a few days? You state you were asked because you will not shy away from getting things done? I am not sure how anyone could expect you to react objectively with your intense feelings about it. Correct me if I am misunderstanding what you said.

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