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    Quote Posted by Jad (here)
    I don’t understand why this is being made as if some people are trying to fight Bill for control or make him do things he don’t want. Bill certainly don’t need any forum body guards to protect him from anyone. It’s not about Q at this point. It’s simply a difference of opinions, and since this is Bill’s forum he made his choice and was gracious enough to open a conversation about censorship. No one is forcing Bill to change his mind. The people who don’t like it and find that it’s too much then they can simply leave the forum and save the world somewhere else. If one thing I strongly agree with Dennis is that we are all on the same team and we should never forget that.
    You made it look like as if there is a conflict of intent.

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    People in that thread ought not to be subjected to that crap.
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    Nor do the people on this thread
    Thank you, Hervé. I appreciate your gesture to move those post over to "The Q Booth".
    It means more than I can begin to express ATM.

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    Mod note:



    I moved 26 off topic posts from this thread to their most appropriate booth.
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Ras-le-bol:

    I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth.
    You did it again with zero explanation.

    Herve, i have no dog in this fight, but are you above explaining your moves to us little people?

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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

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    I moved 26 off topic posts from this thread to their most appropriate booth.
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
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    I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth.
    You did it again with zero explanation.

    Herve, i have no dog in this fight, but are you above explaining your moves to us little people?
    There's your explanation!
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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

    Does the term shadow banning explain why there has been an issue? Am I wrong to think the terms definition meets the criteria of what happened. It seems like this is an important point of contention that should be clarified.

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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

    Questions for Bill and the Moderators (and anyone else with insight on this matter):

    Isn’t the fact that we have moderators on our forum just a tiny bit like censorship? You do make suggests to some members at times about posting? You guide try to guide their thinking and their way of expressing themselves in a certain direction? (a constructive and positive one) And maybe that is a good thing if we want people to engage in serious critical thought and discussion and keep Project Avalon as the productive and useful enterprise that it is?

    In the past, we have had member who could be identified as:
    • Flat Earthers - They also have to interrupt every conversation with their “scientific” explanation, and yet when their theories are held up to actual working scientific theories, their logic crumbles.

    • Holocaust Deniers - Most recently, a member didgevillage for whom every political figure was a crypto-Jew or read the Talmud. His information all came from Texe Marrs, a rural Texan preacher named who absolutely knew that everyone who wasn’t a right wing Protestant was destine for hell. The was never any verifiable proof ever offered for and of Marrs claims, yet didgevillage was sure Marrs had “insider information”, even thought Marrs sounded like someone who had never travelled further than the Piggly Wiggly 20 miles down the highway.

    • Christian Fundamentalists - I remember at least one member who was certain that all events we were looking at had to be seen a fulfillment of scripture, usually the Book of Revelation. I haven’t seen them here in a few years.

    Many of us felt that these people were an annoyance and they interrupted serious and valuable discussions and they were a drain of the energy of the rest of us who were looking at issues from a balanced and critical perspective. They added nothing to our discussions or challenged our rational thinking, nor did anything we say ever challenge them. And many of us feel the same thing is happening because of the individuals of the Q-anon creed. They have their assumptions about the world that they can not be swayed from, and the rest of us, can not have a meaningful engagement with them. They have a lot in common with three groups above.

    Many of us here on Avalon look at information and we try to make sense of it without any preconcieved agenda. We are will go where ever the investigations take us. We are willing to revise our theories and explanations, we are will to change our idea of who “the good guys” and “the bad guys”, or we are will to look at all the people in terms of moral ambiguity and complexity.

    Others however, are only willing to look at these matters though the filter of some other valued text: the works of Eric Dubay, biblical prophecies, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or the Q-anon material. Any information that incriminates Donald Trump has to be trivialized, disregarded, or explained by an elaborate and unsubstantiated theory that he is doing bad now only so he can do good later. And any information no matter how scant or vague about Trump’s opponents has to be proclaimed from the roof tops as smoking gun evidence as to who the good guys or bad guys is.

    The moderators had dealt with the three types of flawed and disruptive thinking successfully. Couldn’t they deal with the Q-anon phenomena in a similar way? Could this solve the “Q” problem we are experiencing? And would this be censorship?

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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Mod note:



    I moved 26 off topic posts from this thread to their most appropriate booth.
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Ras-le-bol:

    I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth.
    You did it again with zero explanation.

    Herve, i have no dog in this fight, but are you above explaining your moves to us little people?
    There's your explanation!
    Whats the explanation? I saw no explanation at all besides a "!" to my serious question. Sorry Herve i'm just a dum country gal, can you please explain it to me like i'm a third grader?

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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Whats the explanation? I saw no explanation at all besides a "!" to my serious question. Sorry Herve i'm just a dum country gal, can you please explain it to me like i'm a third grader?
    Hi Gracy May, sometimes it's faster to scroll through the posts to answer your question because the mods are multi-tasking. I'll jump in for Hervé, because he's been busy moving a bucket load of posts to this thread: "Q" Booth for Off Topic Posts from Other Threads.

    This was Hervé's original post (or close to it), but now they are moved to the Q Booth.
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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Maybe, just maybe, we should find out from Bill what his forum platform is about. Hint: it's about fighting AGAINST the cabal, not picking out our favorite cabal member, ignoring all their actual deeds, worshiping them, and putting ribbons in their hair DENNIS LEAHY

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    I don't think this site is about "fighting" anything. I think this site is about "waking up" to both our spiritual nature, and progress in the sciences of such things, and "almost" everything in between. I don't think it is about "Fighting" at all, but more rising up to meet and exceed the challenges that have been placed upon us.. (The same idea but a different way to accomplish it)... In a graceful and tactful way. A way that is worthy of being recorded and preserved...

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Mod note:



    I moved 26 off topic posts from this thread to their most appropriate booth.
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Ras-le-bol:

    I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth.
    You did it again with zero explanation.

    Herve, i have no dog in this fight, but are you above explaining your moves to us little people?
    There's your explanation!
    Whats the explanation? I saw no explanation at all besides a "!" to my serious question. Sorry Herve i'm just a dum country gal, can you please explain it to me like i'm a third grader?
    Hi Gracy

    What I think he meant Gracy, was that the explanation was in the title of the thread itself..(And easy to overlook).. "Off Topic Posts" It was a "self explanatory title..." but so easy to miss when you're looking for a written explanation.

    You're NOT just a dumb country gal..I almost overlooked it myself when I went to see what you were asking.
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    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Maybe, just maybe, we should find out from Bill what his forum platform is about. Hint: it's about fighting AGAINST the cabal, not picking out our favorite cabal member, ignoring all their actual deeds, worshiping them, and putting ribbons in their hair DENNIS LEAHY

    Thank you!!
    I don't think this site is about "fighting" anything. I think this site is about "waking up" to both our spiritual nature, and progress in the sciences of such things, and "almost" everything in between. I don't think it is about "Fighting" at all, but more rising up to meet and exceed the challenges that have been placed upon us.. (The same idea but a different way to accomplish it)... In a graceful and tactful way. A way that is worthy of being recorded and preserved...
    On the http://projectavalon.net/ page Bill clearly states the purpose of the forum:

    Quote The principal purpose of the Avalon Forum:

    To encourage and support positive, constructive, and high quality dialog and networking with the goal of creating the future on Planet Earth for ourselves and our children that we want to experience.
    Of course, that might include each of us making better personal choices: eating better food, living healthier lives, having a good laugh, etc.

    But I think it also mean we do need to be aware of, expose, and ultimately remove, the secret and powerful operations that are covertly influencing, directing and controlling humanity, all to our detriment. I would say that "exposing the cabal" is part of the Avalon mission.
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    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)
    This is a great time to discuss the fact that the mods need to tell the person whose post they moved to where they moved it to. From my POV my post are being deleted. All the people complaining about being censored when some of us are actually being muted and censored.
    Maybe I can help Praxis.. Did you have posts removed from the site or moved within it? There were posts here on this thread about Trump, Q, and American rights and politics, was it one of those? In this case, putting those posts in the appropriate thread is not censorship, but clarification for preservation.

    If your material is lodged in the middle of another thread, those looking for that subject matter will never find it.. It just makes good sense to move them. For the sake of making sure the whole conversation stays together.

    Not only that, those looking for the conversation no longer have to filter through Trump material when wanting to discuss censorship. From what I gathered, it was a clerical correction. Oh, and good news... I can see your post just fine , so you have not been muted.
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    Quote Posted by Jad (here)
    I don’t understand why this is being made as if some people are trying to fight Bill for control or make him do things he don’t want. Bill certainly don’t need any forum body guards to protect him from anyone. It’s not about Q at this point. It’s simply a difference of opinions, and since this is Bill’s forum he made his choice and was gracious enough to open a conversation about censorship. No one is forcing Bill to change his mind. The people who don’t like it and find that it’s too much then they can simply leave the forum and save the world somewhere else. If one thing I strongly agree with Dennis is that we are all on the same team and we should never forget that.
    You made it look like as if there is a conflict of intent.
    No Bubu I was replying to Dennis who suggested that some members were trying to stage a coup d’état against Bill to take control of the narrative of this forum.

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    [What I think he meant Gracy, was that the explanation was in the title of the thread itself..(And easy to overlook).. "Off Topic Posts" It was a "self explanatory title..." but so easy to miss when you're looking for a written explanation.
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    Ras-le-bol:

    I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth.
    Quote Posted by Hervé
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    I moved 26 off topic posts from this thread to their most appropriate booth.

    Ras-le-bol = I’ve had enough

    Hervé has had enough of these 26+22= 48 total posts about "Q". This is a discussion about censorship, not another “Q” thread.
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    No matter how often people repeat themselves the chance of changing another mind is nil.
    Im aware of that --smiling
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    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    [What I think he meant Gracy, was that the explanation was in the title of the thread itself..(And easy to overlook).. "Off Topic Posts" It was a "self explanatory title..." but so easy to miss when you're looking for a written explanation.
    Quote Posted by Hervé
    Ras-le-bol:

    I moved 22 posts from this thread back to their proper booth.
    Quote Posted by Hervé
    Mod note:

    I moved 26 off topic posts from this thread to their most appropriate booth.

    Ras-le-bol = I’ve had enough

    Hervé has had enough of these 26+22= 48 total posts about "Q". This is a discussion about censorship, not another “Q” thread.
    Hi Paula. The first time Herve swooped in to scoop up and move a bunch of posts with zero explanation when asked, was not even in this thread it was from the Q LARP thread, so i'm now rather numb to yours, or anyone elses excuses for him. In my book thats a pretty heavy handed tactic when you can't even be bothered with a simple explanation to the prols when asked.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...38#post1300838

    Which, in knowing my place in the pecking order is all i ask for, but now i dont even care any more...

    Where i come from that would be considered extremely rude. And this person would hopefuly not be entrusted with a badge and a gun to "SERVE" his community. My mama always warned me there may well be consequences for speaking out like this to power, so i stand ready to take them if they come.

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Questions for Bill and the Moderators (and anyone else with insight on this matter):

    Isn’t the fact that we have moderators on our forum just a tiny bit like censorship? You do make suggests to some members at times about posting? You guide try to guide their thinking and their way of expressing themselves in a certain direction? (a constructive and positive one) And maybe that is a good thing if we want people to engage in serious critical thought and discussion and keep Project Avalon as the productive and useful enterprise that it is?

    In the past, we have had member who could be identified as:
    • Flat Earthers - They also have to interrupt every conversation with their “scientific” explanation, and yet when their theories are held up to actual working scientific theories, their logic crumbles.

    • Holocaust Deniers - Most recently, a member didgevillage for whom every political figure was a crypto-Jew or read the Talmud. His information all came from Texe Marrs, a rural Texan preacher named who absolutely knew that everyone who wasn’t a right wing Protestant was destine for hell. The was never any verifiable proof ever offered for and of Marrs claims, yet didgevillage was sure Marrs had “insider information”, even thought Marrs sounded like someone who had never travelled further than the Piggly Wiggly 20 miles down the highway.

    • Christian Fundamentalists - I remember at least one member who was certain that all events we were looking at had to be seen a fulfillment of scripture, usually the Book of Revelation. I haven’t seen them here in a few years.

    Many of us felt that these people were an annoyance and they interrupted serious and valuable discussions and they were a drain of the energy of the rest of us who were looking at issues from a balanced and critical perspective. They added nothing to our discussions or challenged our rational thinking, nor did anything we say ever challenge them. And many of us feel the same thing is happening because of the individuals of the Q-anon creed. They have their assumptions about the world that they can not be swayed from, and the rest of us, can not have a meaningful engagement with them. They have a lot in common with three groups above.

    Many of us here on Avalon look at information and we try to make sense of it without any preconcieved agenda. We are will go where ever the investigations take us. We are willing to revise our theories and explanations, we are will to change our idea of who “the good guys” and “the bad guys”, or we are will to look at all the people in terms of moral ambiguity and complexity.

    Others however, are only willing to look at these matters though the filter of some other valued text: the works of Eric Dubay, biblical prophecies, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or the Q-anon material. Any information that incriminates Donald Trump has to be trivialized, disregarded, or explained by an elaborate and unsubstantiated theory that he is doing bad now only so he can do good later. And any information no matter how scant or vague about Trump’s opponents has to be proclaimed from the roof tops as smoking gun evidence as to who the good guys or bad guys is.

    The moderators had dealt with the three types of flawed and disruptive thinking successfully. Couldn’t they deal with the Q-anon phenomena in a similar way? Could this solve the “Q” problem we are experiencing? And would this be censorship?
    My view: another dismissive post (flawed and disruptive?) that inaccurately generalizes the Q-anon research thread, process, and participants - conflating q-anon researchers with a host of non-thinker ills.

    I bolded in the post how I consider my own conspiracy research efforts over the last 30 years.


    Quote Many of us here on Avalon look at information and we try to make sense of it without any preconcieved agenda. We are will go where ever the investigations take us. We are willing to revise our theories and explanations, we are will to change our idea of who “the good guys” and “the bad guys”, or we are will to look at all the people in terms of moral ambiguity and complexity.
    But any response to make this point here will likely be moved to the 'shadow-banning area', as proved again yesterday.
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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

    See my post 275
    Unfortunately you cant make the point--minds are set.
    People have done their best to make the point.
    Seems a bit pointless to carry on.
    Just my point of view.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    See my post 275
    Unfortunately you cant make the point--minds are set.
    People have done their best to make the point.
    Seems a bit pointless to carry on.
    Just my point of view.
    Understood. I just want to express my appreciation to your contributions in the Archeology and Geophysics threads, which I always read daily but either don't know enough or don't have enough time to watch everything to participate much with feedback there.
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    Default Re: The 'censorship' discussion

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Where i come from that would be considered extremely rude.
    Probably as rude as inviting pro-Q posters into an anti-Q thread to answer an "innocent" question.

    So, the first scoop of 22 posts was to remove the pro-Q "explanations" (AKA proselytizing) from an anti-Q thread since they were off-topic in that thread.

    The second scoop of 26 posts was because these pro-Q posts were OFF-TOPIC for the "Censorship" thread and happily turning it into another pro-Q thread.

    That's that!

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