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    Default ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Some more content for the ongoing ddebate: did we land on the moon?
    Haven't seen this content before.

    Quote Most shockingly, Sibrel claims to have documents from a former security guard who says he watched while NASA and the CIA filmed the faked moon landing of 1969 at a military base.
    Quote A FILMMAKER who was punched in the face by astronaut Buzz Aldrin for saying he lied about walking on the moon - says he has undeniable proof that the lunar landings were fake.

    Bart Sibrel, who has been assaulted and bombarded with death threats over his research into the Apollo missions, shared photos and video footage with Sun Online which, unbelievably, he claims prove man has never walked on the moon.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/953014...andings-faked/
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    I have seen the "Reporter" and the ensuing drama. And I have seen much of the fake footage, including the astronauts in low Earth orbit covering the window to give the appearance they're further away.. My opinions are just that.. Opinions. (I also saw the moon mountains on the crater rim at the Nasa training ground in Hawaii, with later images of Buzz returning to that site during the daytime in photos. )

    With Nasa now suggesting the Moon is in our atmosphere, and the space shuttles being grounded, I am guessing the Moon isn't as far away as they claim it is, nor it is what we believe it to be, forcing them to fake those landings. I have yet to decide what I believe it all to mean but yes, many things have been faked. Does that mean that we have yet to check it out? I don't think so, I do think that they really don't feel like they can show us what they found though.

    I don't know what we don't know, But I wish I did :D..
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Personally, I think Bill is right.

    We went to the moon, but the footage is faked.

    To me, it seems like a matter of national security so to speak. Why would the United States offer high resolution video of the Moon while there was a race? If the Moon video was real wouldn't that help competitors make discoveries they haven't paid for?

    I'm sorry I only have a few minutes left on my lunch and wanted to offer my thought. Hope it makes sense...
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    Yes I think we got there but not without help.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    It has also been explained as film done in the event that something went wrong and Apollo 11 didn't make it to the moon. The film would then be used as a sort of failsafe..
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by Ken (here)
    It has also been explained as film done in the event that something went wrong and Apollo 11 didn't make it to the moon. The film would then be used as a sort of failsafe..
    I believe this to be true.

    We were going to get there one way or the other. Seems there must always be a contingency plan.

    IMHO, the moon shots were a success though.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    How many here ever saw a Saturn V launch let alone a shuttle launch? I'm willing to bet zero. I saw the only night launch Apollo 17 and more than a half dozen shuttle launches. My Dad who live in Titusville saw the shuttle blow up from his backyard. We knew people in the Space race, including scientists, astronauts, engineers, technicians. etc. It wasn't fake

    How many here know who Nvidia is? Well if you ever used a graphic card in your computer or replaced one for better gaming you used Nvidia card and tech. They know what they are talking about . So if you take an amateurs opinion on film graphics rather than a graphic engineers take so be it but you need to watch this.




    Nvidia Debunks Conspiracy Theories About Moon Landing





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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Personally I can't see why we did not go to the moon. I think too many people were involved to fake it. Afterall we were likely on Mars in the mid 60's

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    Personally I can't see why we did not go to the moon. I think too many people were involved to fake it. Afterall we were likely on Mars in the mid 60's
    Yeah and there were too many people involved to 'fake' 9/11, JFK, MLK, RFK etc.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    as with all so called conspiracy theories, they exist exactly because good sensible and aware people see discrepancies, inconsistencies , and illogical info that demands them to question it. and no proper adequate counterpoint ever seems to be offered to put out the question and explain and clear up the situation.

    i recently again saw Paul Craig Robert add his suspicion to the Sandy Hook event. a picture shown of the school children allegedly being ushered out in a spontaneous moment, and then a second picture impossible to exist if the story to be true, emerges showing the kids in another shot being re arranged, with casual onlookers. AND WE ARE THE CONSPIRACY NUTS?

    I believe the answer is correct that we went to the moon but the footage was massaged and fake. same w S Hook things don't add up and could be easily cleared up if authentic. but they aren't. they are just covered up the truth is somewhere in the middle

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I believe the answer is correct that we went to the moon but the footage was massaged and fake....
    I consider myself a 9/11 expert. A 9/11 conspiracy authority. This is because I have spent literally years researching the subject, full-time.

    With the limited research I have done on the moon landings, there's good evidence showing the photos/video were faked.

    So my first question to you Doug, if we went to the moon, why would the footage have been massaged/faked?
    And second question for now. How did they navigate through the Van Allen belts?

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    I agree with Justintime and Sunny Side up.

    We faked it as an insurance policy in case something went wrong.

    We still cannot get past the Van Allen belt as NASA freely admits they "lost" that technology. I believe we did go eventually but some assistance was at play be it single use ancient technology we found....or help from "others"
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Hi Dave Too, only some theories. one, being we couldn't chance anything going wrong on the world stage.it was far too important to be a success.
    so It had to all work.
    2 that we didn't want anything being seen that we needed to be kept unseen.

    and as for the van allen belts, I was told that the short exposure was a survivable exposure. but in all honesty it doesn't seem to wash and I m not an expert enough on the van allen belts to say . so perhaps a scientist can weigh in.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    The van Allen belt issue I think comes from them having lied and not covering their tracks.
    The lie being:
    The equipment that took them to the moon was actually very advanced (secret) and a head of our knowledge, not the tin can capsule.
    It had other tech init I think.

    A slightly related question:

    How many here have seen footage of rockets going wrong on take off.
    It lifts then fails, then comes back down and before it explodes and you see the top cone falls off? o.0
    Only way I can be justified is that it was a mock rocket
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Personally, I think Bill is right.

    We went to the moon, but the footage is faked.
    .
    Yes, I drew that conclusion too really quite a long time ago It's an observation that's bang on the money.

    There was a real moon landing, for sure, (and there are likely many more going on even as I type) but back-up footage was created to help tell the story, for a multitude of reasons of course. The landings happened, the landings weren't fake. But a lot of the images created weren't made on the moon; weren't made in lunar situ.
    .
    All the attendant beautiful imagery to colour the story aren't proof of any landing being faked. They are proof of a slick marketing machine creating sensational media professional shots to (certainly) entertain and enthrall.

    Disney have been doing that for decades too

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Exactly Tintin!

    Likely many of these 'conspiracy theories' on how we didn't get to the moon are perpetuated by our own government. How long do you think they have they been doing that?

    I wish I was a more gifted writer, but Tintin sums it up pretty well.

    Anyone watch Science Channel, “Truth Behind The Moon Landing” yet? It's really silly but there is some truth in it. I think they explained how to get through the Van Allen belt best. There isn't much else I can recommend on the show though.

    Allow me to reiterate? The show is silly but it is laced with truth.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Personally, I think Bill is right.

    We went to the moon, but the footage is faked.
    .
    Yes, I drew that conclusion too really quite a long time ago It's an observation that's bang on the money.

    There was a real moon landing, for sure, (and there are likely many more going on even as I type) but back-up footage was created to help tell the story, for a multitude of reasons of course. The landings happened, the landings weren't fake. But a lot of the images created weren't made on the moon; weren't made in lunar situ.
    .
    All the attendant beautiful imagery to colour the story aren't proof of any landing being faked. They are proof of a slick marketing machine creating sensational media professional shots to (certainly) entertain and enthrall.

    Disney have been doing that for decades too

    (I'm gonna go top up my moon tan )
    Tin Tin of course I respect your view, but for myself, there are just too many issues you raised that plainly and simply don't make sense to me.
    I am an extremely critical thinker.

    So you are saying the fake footage was made as a back-up, in case there were problems.
    I'm assuming you believe there weren't any problems. That they landed on the moon and returned safely.
    So why not use footage that they created on the moon? Surely it would look more authentic and wouldn't cause the scrutiny we have now?

    True, fake images of a moon landing by themselves, don't prove that a landing didn't take place.
    So what compelling reasons/proof do you have to believe we went to the moon?

    Proof that I could really sink my teeth into?

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Hi Dave Too,

    I completely understand where you're coming from and it's always healthy to question everything.

    Anything I provide will pale in comparison to what Bill will, so I'll leave it at that. I'm sure Tintin will be able to put it into words better than I.

    What helped me most was listening to every interview I could with every astronaut, flight director and support crew I could. They were all alive and most still are.

    You'll know when your teeth "sink in". For me, it was after decades of reading and watching everything I could get my hands on. 35 years ago I lived in Corvallis, Oregon, a college town and read every book on the subject in their library. I started forming my opinion in the early 70s and arrived at my truth after being on Avalon 2 or 3 years. All in all, 40 years for my teeth to sink in. I too, think critically. You'll know, when you arrive at your truth.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Hi Dave Too,

    I completely understand where you're coming from and it's always healthy to question everything.

    Anything I provide will pale in comparison to what Bill will, so I'll leave it at that. I'm sure Tintin will be able to put it into words better than I.

    What helped me most was listening to every interview I could with every astronaut, flight director and support crew I could. They were all alive and most still are.

    You'll know when your teeth "sink in". For me, it was after decades of reading and watching everything I could get my hands on. 35 years ago I lived in Corvallis, Oregon, a college town and read every book on the subject in their library. I started forming my opinion in the early 70s and arrived at my truth after being on Avalon 2 or 3 years. All in all, 40 years for my teeth to sink in. I too, think critically. You'll know, when you arrive at your truth.

    Hope that helps~J

    Thanks for your input Justn.

    I certainly can appreciate the amount of information you had to have processed if you studied this subject for 40 years.

    I have a science background and so my brain is wired for 'scientific proof' type evidence.

    I don't mean to put you or TinTin on the spot about this.
    The way I see it basically is that if you are asking us to dismiss the video/photo evidence as untrustworthy/fake,
    by default we have to rely on hearsay evidence.

    I must say the astronaut interview just after they 'returned to earth' was highly unconvincing.
    It would be one thing to have one astronaut a little burned out/down, but to have all three looking and sounding absolutely depressed
    and demoralized after returning from one of the most famous journeys of mankind is, shall we say, shocking!

    I hope someone can really give me something tangible, that I can sink my teeth into.
    Something that would make me say, "there is absolutely no question, WE WENT TO THE MOON!"

    To me, your asking me to believe we went to the moon is like someone asking me to believe Oswald killed JFK.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    I was reading an article at https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/953014...andings-faked/ and someone on the comment section said: My Smartphone is several times more powerful than the 1960´s Computers and I don´t think it could land me on the Moon.

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