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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    What's the best debunk on the theory that the Van Allen Belt has levels of heat and radiation which are too high to allow a biological being to pass through safely?

    Quote The Van Allen belts, on the other hand, are not actually part of our atmosphere. They’re well beyond it, extending hundreds of miles outwards into space. There are two, both donut-shaped rings surrounding our planet, and are a consequence of our planet’s magnetic field. The Space Shuttle typically orbited at a height of 190 miles to 330 miles above the surface, and the International Space Station orbits at a height of somewhere between 205 and 270 miles above the surface of the Earth.

    The innermost Van Allen belt sits somewhere between 400 to 6,000 miles above the surface of our planet. Even if the innermost belt is at its closest, the ISS (and the space shuttle in its day) are more than 100 miles away from the Van Allen Belts. For near-Earth missions, the Van Allen belts are not a hazard to spacefarers.

    It was, however, a hazard for the Apollo missions. The Van Allen belts are not a physical barrier to spacecraft, and so, in principle, we could have sent the Apollo spacecraft through the belts. It would not have been a good idea. The Van Allen belts are a kind of trap for charged particles like protons and electrons. They’re held in place by the magnetic field of the Earth, and so they trace the shape of the magnetic field itself. The problem with the Van Allen belts lies not in them being impassable, but in the charged particles they contain.

    Charged particles are damaging to human bodies, but the amount of damage done can range from none to lethal, depending on the energy those particles deposit, the density of those particles, and the length of time you spend being exposed to them.

    In the case of the Apollo missions, the solution was to minimize the second two factors. We can’t control the energy of those particles, though they can be large.

    The density of the Van Allen belts is well known (from sending uncrewed probes through them), and there are hotspots you can definitely avoid. In particular, the innermost belt is a rather tightly defined region, and it was possible to stay out of it for the trip to the Moon. The second belt is much larger, and harder to avoid, but there are still denser regions to avoid.

    For the Apollo trips, we wanted to send the astronauts through a sparse region of the belts, and to try and get through them quickly. This was necessary in any case; the crafts had to make it to the Moon in a reasonable amount of time, and the shorter the trip, the less exposure to all sorts of radiation the astronauts would get......


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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote What's the best debunk on the theory that the Van Allen Belt has levels of heat and radiation which are too high to allow a biological being to pass through safely?
    An article from the mainstream media doesn't debunk anything as the mainstream media have no credibility. There's some info on the mainstream media here.

    (post #1087)
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...=1#post4731597


    All we have about space radiation is second-hand info. There's really no way to tell who's telling the truth. The anomalies in the photos and footage* prove the hoax. Space radiation is just one of the most probable reasons for their having had to fake the missions.

    Check out this alternative info on space radiation.

    American Moon, 2017
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/eZramDBFkXRU/
    (59:00 time mark)

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post988597


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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    In the history of technologies, once few pioneers do breakthrough of new technology, it accelerates over time until it hits a barrier. Ford Model N (1906-1907) had 15 hp. 50 years later Formula One car had 260 hp. 1903 Wright Flyer I had 12 hp engine. 40 some years later, Fairchild C-119 had 7,000 hp.

    https://www.history.com/topics/inventions/automobiles
    Quote Cycle and Automobile Trade Journal called the four-cylinder, fifteen-horsepower, $600 Ford Model N (1906-1907) “the very first instance of a low-cost motorcar driven by a gas engine having cylinders enough to give the shaft a turning impulse in each shaft turn which is well built and offered in large numbers.”
    https://www.conceptcarz.com/z21560/t...rand-prix.aspx
    Quote Before Formula One's first season in 1950, Lago further refined his 6 cylinder engine until it became capable of producing 260bhp.
    https://www.britannica.com/technolog...roblem-of-lift

    Quote Thus, the story of the invention of the airplane begins in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries, with the first serious research into aerodynamics—the study of the forces operating on a solid body (for instance, a wing when it is immersed in a stream of air). Leonardo da Vinci and Galileo Galilei in Italy, Christiaan Huygens in the Netherlands, and Isaac Newton in England all contributed to an understanding of the relationship between resistance (drag) and such factors as the surface area of an object exposed to the stream and the density of a fluid.

    Having published the results of his research, Lilienthal designed, built, and flew a series of monoplane and biplane gliders, completing as many as 2,000 flights between 1890 and the time of his fatal glider crash in August 1896.

    The Wright flyer of 1905 is therefore considered to be the first fully controllable, practical airplane.

    1903 Wright Flyer I specs:
    605 lb (274.4 kg) total weight (without pilot)
    4 cylinder engine, 12 hp at 1150 rpm
    https://www.militaryfactory.com/airc...ircraft_id=379
    Quote The Fairchild C-119 proved to be a tremendous post-war performer in the transport and gunship roles.
    Empty Weight:
    39,804 lb (18,055 kg)
    2 x Wright R-3350-89 Cyclone 18-cylinder air-cooled radial engines developing 3,500 horsepower each.
    Suppose the Apollo Program sent humans to Moon and brought back many times without single failure using "fantastic" rocket propulsion system in early 1970s, five decades later humans could have built interplanetary civilization in the solar system. Where are the present Space technology at? Didn't NASA admit that to send humans to Moon, they would have to solve technological problems?
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Summary:

    Recent pilot research (23rd June 2020 SETI meeting) shows that some of the Apollo landers are existing on the Moon as part of an initial data-driven machine learning techniques survey. The front face and back of the Moon will be scanned and analysed for additional techno signatures. This research may come to a conclusion to provide the evidence in that man went to the Moon and landed and left behind these techno signatures.

    Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO)

    The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) is a NASA spacecraft that is mapping the Moon with unprecedented detail, providing large amounts of image data of the lunar surface. A pilot study is using state of the art machine learning techniques to search this data set for Techno signature artifacts on the lunar surface. An anomaly detection model on known artificial lunar features, such as the Apollo landing sites. Future plan is to use this model to analyze the whole lunar surface data set provided by the LRO mission.

    Published paper:

    Unsupervised Distribution Learning for Lunar Surface Anomaly Detection (2020)

    Authors: Adam Lesnikowski, Valentin Bickel, Daniel Angerhausen

    Published link:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...maly_Detection

    23rd June 2020 update at SETI meeting.

    Explanation for identifying Apollo landers as techno signatures:

    They show that modern data-driven machine learning techniques can be successfully applied on lunar surface data to learn, in an unsupervised way, sufficiently good representations of the distribution of lunar surface data to enable lunar techno signature detection. In particular training an unsupervised distribution learning model to find the landing modules of the Apollo 15 and 17 landing site in a testing data set, with no specific model or hyper parameter tuning. Both Apollo 15 and 17 landers and external parts like rovers have been identified. The whole Moon will be scanned and analysed for the other Apollo landers and may be other new techno signatures will be identified.
    .
    Good data density estimation has myriad applications in lunar and space sciences, including finding known missions with unknown landing sites, discovering non-publicly disclosed landing sites, either by governmental or non-governmental organizations, techno signatures in other signal domains, locating lunar resources for future space flight and colonization, locating new impact craters or lunar surface reshaping, e.g. when applying this to temporal stacks of images, and deciding the importance of unlabeled samples to send back from power- and bandwidth-constrained missions. This current work stimulates and enables future work towards these goals.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    The moderator over at the Giraffe forum changed the name of a thread I started.
    https://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=31034

    It used to say, "The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio".

    Now it says, "Stupid People Believe the Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio".

    He says that he changed it in this post.
    https://www.giraffeboards.com/showpo...&postcount=561


    I guess they were mad at me because I was linking to that thread so much.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1362121

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO)

    The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) is a NASA spacecraft that is mapping the Moon with unprecedented detail, providing large amounts of image data of the lunar surface. A pilot study is using state of the art machine learning techniques to search this data set for Techno signature artifacts on the lunar surface. An anomaly detection model on known artificial lunar features, such as the Apollo landing sites. Future plan is to use this model to analyze the whole lunar surface data set provided by the LRO mission.
    All of those maps and pictures are fakable so they aren't proof that there were people on the moon. They also don't make the anomalies in the footage and pictures go away.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Here's something interesting.

    The Apollo (13) Hoax Revisited
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=EzTXYkOZmtA

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Check this out. I've got a shill* checkmated in a debate.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index....519410/page-10

    When the shills are losing badly, the moderators usually close the thread on forums such as that one. I'm surprised this has gone on this long. Let's see how this ends.

    I'm Scott on that forum.



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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    These videos disappeared from YouTube because they had some very convincing evidence of a hoax.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-...1#post-3497830

    Three of them are back.
    https://www.brighteon.com/channels/stevedachemist


    I hope the others come back too.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    sciforums videos removed

    brighteon videos still there

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote brighteon videos still there
    Judging by the number of views they haven't been there very long.

    All of those videos were excellent analyses of some of the anomalies in the Apollo footage. They pretty much prove the hoax by themselves. That's why they disappeared from YouTube. I hope nothing happens to Steve the Chemist for reposting them elsewhere.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Here's something I just came across.
    https://cosmicrevelationsblog.wordpr...e-moon-part-i/

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    @Cosmored
    How did you find it? Those are fantastic.

    'Physics of the Apollo Moon Walk' has a clip of NASA's walk simulation on Moon's surface. The human test subject is walking awkwardly on the floor due to lack of friction between the feet and surface of the floor. The author compares it with walking on wet ice. The final photo of the video shows an Apollo astronaut is standing on the Moon's surface, which is impossible due to breaking the center of gravity. The astronaut has to bend waist and knees for moving center of gravity off center because of the huge backpack (life support system) on the back. But the astronaut is standing straight while ignoring the backpack's weight.

    Physics of the Apollo Moon Walk
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    Quote How did you find it? Those are fantastic.
    Somebody else found it for me.
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post10303689

    The other ones that disappeared from YouTube were fantastic too.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-...1#post-3497830

    I hope they eventually come back online. Do searches on the titles from time to time.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Quote How did you find it? Those are fantastic.
    Somebody else found it for me.
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post10303689

    The other ones that disappeared from YouTube were fantastic too.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-...1#post-3497830

    I hope they eventually come back online. Do searches on the titles from time to time.
    Buhbuh...but I saw it wif my own Too eyes on my wabbit ear TV, so it must've happened!!!

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    There are still people who won't listen to alternative info. If they see that the government is capable of telling big lies, they might be more open to alternative info. That's the main reason I still talk about Apollo.

    I talk about the pandemic scam too.
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=287508
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=286342

    I'm Scott on this thread.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index....ndmade.571125/

    I'm FatFreddy here.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the...autism.163277/
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/an-...-today.163275/

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    I find it interesting that some that have been to Antarctica say the moon is extraordinarily close to the earth from there. Supposedly it is a well kept secret that at certain times the moon is so close they can literally hop over to it much much faster than when it's out of that position.
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
    I find it interesting that some that have been to Antarctica say the moon is extraordinarily close to the earth from there. Supposedly it is a well kept secret that at certain times the moon is so close they can literally hop over to it much much faster than when it's out of that position.
    References?? This makes zero physical sense from the standpoint of orbital mechanics. (Or any other standpoint! )

    If the moon sometimes comes "close", and therefore appears much bigger, then everyone would see that, no matter where their location was on the planet.


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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Hi Ratszinger,

    WOW!, I also would be extremely interested in some references. I'm amazed to hear this as I have never heard of this information before now.

    Even when the Moon is at Perigee (closest to the Earth) the distance from the mean is 0.3 per cent.

    There has been a history of measurements of the Moon for over a 100 years from many locations on the Earth both northern and southern hemispheres at extreme distances apart show the same distance.

    Many methods of determining the distance from the early parallax measurements, to Lunar eclipses, Meridian crossings, occultations and ground radar leading into the most accurate Lunar laser ranging when the Apollo experiments installed by a number of Apollo missions on the Moon using the well tested Laser Ranging Retroreflector have produced many important measurements that make the accuracy to 2 cms

    Recent times hundreds citizen science experiments using their own tools have determined the distance.

    Amateur radio ham enthusiasts from all over the world using project Moonbounce have got identical distant recordings that confirms the true distant that were measured over the century using different tools have got the same distant measurement to the Moon.

    Look forward eagerly to your references.

    Aoibhghaire

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Buhbuh...but I saw it wif my own Too eyes on my wabbit ear TV, so it must've happened!!!
    I think you'll get a kick out of this.
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post10305748

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