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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by prc (here)
    I was reading an article at https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/953014...andings-faked/ and someone on the comment section said: My Smartphone is several times more powerful than the 1960´s Computers and I don´t think it could land me on the Moon.
    Your smartphone is much more powerful than that. I believe they landed on the moon with 5K of memory, slide rules and a sextant. Of course, there was much more than that, but those were some of the main tools.

    Have you noticed that some people will do anything for money or notoriety? Some people are always right. I wouldn't put much stock in the less than gentle man who was punched by Buzz Aldrin.

    @Davetoo

    I know what you mean about the interview because that had me on the fence for a while too.

    I don't feel like you're putting me on the spot at all. I enjoy sharing knowledge that was passed on to me in hopes that it will help another. Discernment is up to you
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

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    Quote 50 years ago, NASA’s Apollo 11 mission changed our world and ideas of what is possible by successfully landing humans on the surface of the moon⁠—and bringing them home safely⁠—for the first time in history. Today’s video Doodle celebrates this moment of human achievement by taking us through the journey to the moon and back, narrated by someone with firsthand knowledge of the epic event: former astronaut and Apollo 11 command module pilot Michael Collins.


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    The Real Story Behind the Apollo 11 Computer Error | WSJ




    Apollo’s Most Important Discovery (Inside NASA’s Moon Rock Vault!)




    So why didn’t Russia put a man on the moon?

    At the time the soviets were leading the space race, they had already started with the launch of Sputnik, then launched several probes to the moon, including one in 1959 that orbited and taken photos of the far side and By 1961 they were the first to put a man in to space.

    So when Kennedy made his now famous “We choose to go to the moon” speech in 1962 to rally public support, Khrushchev’s response was silence, neither confirming nor denying that they had a plan for a manned moon mission.

    But at the time Khrushchev wasn’t really interested in competing with the US over the moon, he was more interested ICBM’s the Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles for the strategic rocket forces.
    But there were others that had harboured plans for manned mission for a long time, these included the man whose name was a state secret and the most powerful man outside the Kremlin when it came to space.

    He was Sergei Pavlovich Korolev, outside the inner circle of the top space scientists he was known only as the “Chief Designer” or by his first 2 initials SP, because the Soviet leadership feared that the western powers would send agents to assassinate him........

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Personally, I think Bill is right.

    We went to the moon, but the footage is faked.
    .
    Yes, I drew that conclusion too really quite a long time ago It's an observation that's bang on the money.

    There was a real moon landing, for sure, (and there are likely many more going on even as I type) but back-up footage was created to help tell the story, for a multitude of reasons of course. The landings happened, the landings weren't fake. But a lot of the images created weren't made on the moon; weren't made in lunar situ.
    .
    All the attendant beautiful imagery to colour the story aren't proof of any landing being faked. They are proof of a slick marketing machine creating sensational media professional shots to (certainly) entertain and enthrall.

    Disney have been doing that for decades too

    (I'm gonna go top up my moon tan )
    Tin Tin of course I respect your view, but for myself, there are just too many issues you raised that plainly and simply don't make sense to me.
    I am an extremely critical thinker.

    So you are saying the fake footage was made as a back-up, in case there were problems.
    I'm assuming you believe there weren't any problems. That they landed on the moon and returned safely.
    So why not use footage that they created on the moon? Surely it would look more authentic and wouldn't cause the scrutiny we have now?

    True, fake images of a moon landing by themselves, don't prove that a landing didn't take place.
    So what compelling reasons/proof do you have to believe we went to the moon?

    Proof that I could really sink my teeth into?
    DaveToo

    From my point of view, you do ask perfectly reasonable questions here.

    There is also a reasonable supposition that could be made in suggesting that humankind had possibly already been there before, but there isn't to my knowledge any concrete evidence, at least to hand, that could prove that, at all.

    That doesn't mean to say there isn't any

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    Based upon what I've studied reasonably intently, and where there seems, on the surface similarly reasonable evidence in circulation to support it, I suggest the following:
    • The moon landings were authentic events. There were way way too many people involved in the program, despite closely managed information compartmentalisation, for it to have been a complete fabrication, and it happened more than once.

    • The actual purpose for going there is probably way above 'Top Secret', known only to a very few - we may never know the real reasons for going there, at least not at this time.

    • The means for getting there that everybody has been told was 'how' is a likely decoy to help 'brand' the story after the fact - there's money to be made from merch ( ) - hence the super-professional studio'd imagery we see created to enforce a narrative, whether or not Stanley Kubrick was involved - I personally think he was. Very useful to have stock imagery to hand - yes - in the event of anything going awry, although, I am certain they knew nothing would, or could, go awry.

    • The actual means for getting to the moon are I suspect super highly classified and involve technology that would be too sensitive to make public. Deep projects have doubtless been going on for a few decades longer than may generally be known, or accepted. That information, again, really only known to an elite few.

    • There do appear to be anomalous objects/structures that have been observed by amateur astronomers over the years that would suggest inhabitation of some sort. Human, and/or non-human entities? Probably the reason why precious little, to, next-to-no genuine moon footage may exist in general circulation.

    • The moon is most certainly likely not a natural Earth satellite - it appears from artefacts brought back to be much older - but placed in orbit, somehow, by something/s. Descendants of the Dogon and their tradition speak of a 'time before the moon' and ancient cultures' traditions usually remain very consistent over time and tend to withstand quite well a certain amount of scrutiny.

    But of course, none of this necessarily constitutes irrefutable proof does it, and it is frustrating.

    But mine may still be a reasonable synopsis, all the same

    - - - - - - - - - - - -

    Okay, a personal note, and I'm having to take really extraordinary care here as this is pretty sensitive information - you'll appreciate the need for that approach:

    Two weeks ago a trusted friend and 100% rock solid person shared with me, quite out of the blue, that a good friend, a former MoD operative with two levels above top secret clearance had attended many highly classified meetings, and was told, absolutely, and highly confidentially, that:
    "...those astronauts were being observed."
    As is usually the case with such sensitive meetings there was a missive to absolutely not divulge what was discussed, with anyone. So, as we would have suspected already quite a long time ago, the MoD is, and always has been, fully in the loop - it's on record - and has goodness knows how much more information under wraps.

    That's all I'm really comfortable about sharing publicly, but the source is impeccable. I have one or two questions to ask of them as well, and that's going to have to be handled with the utmost discretion.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by ichingcarpenter (here)
    How many here ever saw a Saturn V launch let alone a shuttle launch? I'm willing to bet zero. I saw the only night launch Apollo 17 and more than a half dozen shuttle launches. My Dad who live in Titusville saw the shuttle blow up from his backyard. We knew people in the Space race, including scientists, astronauts, engineers, technicians. etc. It wasn't fake

    How many here know who Nvidia is? Well if you ever used a graphic card in your computer or replaced one for better gaming you used Nvidia card and tech. They know what they are talking about . So if you take an amateurs opinion on film graphics rather than a graphic engineers take so be it but you need to watch this.




    Nvidia Debunks Conspiracy Theories About Moon Landing



    Perhaps I should not post without the evidence itself, but there is a well done analysis of a Saturn V launch that clearly shows steam/smoke and extraneous, brilliant light below the rocket motors. The smoke and light are clearly not from the rocket motors themselves. Everyone has a personal first hand account of some event. Not all of them are proof. Eye witness testimony is often suspect.

    Why did Von Braun state that in order to launch a huge rocket into space it would take one the size of the Empire State building? Did they realize incredibly fast advances in technology that quickly afterward?

    We will likely never know whether anyone went to the moon, but what is irrefutably and incontrovertibly true is that NASA has perpetuated false images purported to be from the moon. Obviously doctored photos in the hundreds. And what of the many lighting anomalies? The only source of light was the Sun, yet it is apparent light was coming from multiple sources. Stage lights likely. What of the wires seen holding up the astronauts, light pinging off the thin steel wires? The questions just go on and on and on. There is obvious, unassailable proof of some level of fraud. If they actually went to the moon, why the deceit?

    Did you know that the lunar lander was never successfully tested on Earth? The one test was a miserable failure. Why would the sent men out on such a mission without adequate testing? No one else does that, no one! With men's lives at risk most technological equipment is tested repeatedly. Have you seen the analysis of how the lunar rover might have fit into the larger craft? It could not, period.

    To say there were too many people involved to successfully pull of such a stunt is to ignore where they have indeed done that. One example can serve well. 9/11. They've pretty well convinced most people of that fairy tale.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Dave Too/ agree with you on the astronaut interviews. those guys looked mind controlled or under orders to lie. Also, anyone see Richplanet , when they brought on a forensics analysis expert regarding testimony to analysis the astronauts ? this guy claimed to be a total believer in the moon landing until he analyzed these interviews.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Tintin: none of this necessarily constitutes irrefutable proof does it,
    No. At the risk of stating the obvious, there is a chasm of a difference between 'irrefutable proof' at the one end of the scale and opinions at the other (with plenty of 'he said', 'she said' in between).

    Wouldn't it be lovely if we could colour-code, something like red for 'take it to the bank' evidence, orange for 'quite a normally-reliable source has testified ABC', and yellow for opinions ie yellow for 'opinions', possibly another colour entirely for poorly vetted wannabe 'witnesses', fearmongers and those on the make, making all sorts of unverifiable claims?

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Yes I think we got there but not without help.
    Do you mean without extraterrestrial help?
    I could be wrong but I think we made it to the Moon unaided and there was no billion-dollar cover-up to take the shine off one of mankind's greatest achievements.
    The sceptics should be applauding the Chinese for surviving the Van Allen belts unscathed and if the landings were hoaxed in beating NASA and the soviets to the punch..

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    hi conk
    Quote Why did Von Braun state that in order to launch a huge rocket into space it would take one the size of the Empire State building? Did they realize incredibly fast advances in technology that quickly afterward?
    His first calculations probably made for a very safe, well shielded craft.
    Then NASA cut corners and wen't for a unsafe rushed job.


    Quote Did you know that the lunar lander was never successfully tested on Earth? The one test was a miserable failure. Why would the sent men out on such a mission without adequate testing? No one else does that, no one! With men's lives at risk most technological equipment is tested repeatedly. Have you seen the analysis of how the lunar rover might have fit into the larger craft? It could not, period.
    That is the main purpose for the fake films, they would roll them out if it all wen't boom.
    Then they would say 'disaster' on re-entry.

    Spaceball Ricochet
    Quote Do you mean without extraterrestrial help?
    yes, at least going through the VA belts, some help with the radiation maybe.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Jay Weidner talks to Groovie Bean about the moon landings. Jay goes into some great details from a film makers point of view with some convincing evidence that what we saw on TV was faked.

    but he does think the landings actually took place with technology that we were never allowed to see.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by conk (here)

    We will likely never know whether anyone went to the moon, but what is irrefutably and incontrovertibly true is that NASA has perpetuated false images purported to be from the moon. Obviously doctored photos in the hundreds. And what of the many lighting anomalies? The only source of light was the Sun, yet it is apparent light was coming from multiple sources. Stage lights likely. What of the wires seen holding up the astronauts, light pinging off the thin steel wires? The questions just go on and on and on. There is obvious, unassailable proof of some level of fraud. If they actually went to the moon, why the deceit?
    This!
    I yearn for answers.

    I think there is a very strong urge by many to want to believe we went to the moon (whether we went or not).
    Once that urge becomes overwhelming, the mind starts to develop myriad explanations for anomalies such as the above.

    Oh darn, the photos don't fit. Let's see, how can we explain that.........................................

    The 'backup in case something went wrong' explanation doesn't pass the fly test for me.

    We are being asked by the 'moon landing defenders' to excuse deceitful behavior
    on behalf of NASA for whatever nefarious reasons they may have had.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Have you looked at this companion thread, a lot of the videos have been removed suspiciously, but it cover a lot of the answers you seek.... N

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...en-on-the-Moon

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    I've written about this elsewhere, there's a number of threads on this, but I do think we went to the moon, but the truth is deeper, more complex than that. I suspect the moon conspiracy is kind of a psyop, a distraction to divert attention from what actually happened on the moon.

    When 'The powers that be' don't directly invent them, they certainly throw fuel on the fire to keep them burning, Because when people are arguing back on forth about what's happening over here they often fail to spot what's going on over there.

    I suspect that most of the footage they showed us of the Apollo missions were fake, shot on earth (and in space) ahead of time. The evidence for that is quite compelling. I won't cite all the numerous photographic examples of 'anomalies' (there are threads that do though), but in the first instance, and please, someone with greater scientific grasp than I, please correct me:

    The 'slow motion' of bouncing astronauts looks pretty suspect to me. It's quite consistent with normal footage shot on the earth slowed down. I might be wrong, but in my 'grasp' of things, 1/6 gravity would not create a 'slow motion' effect. When I observe an object on Earth that's 1/6 my weight (say between 25lb and 30lbs) it doesn't move in slow motion in comparison to how I move. That wouldn't happen unless it was restricted somehow, like by water (try running across the bottom of a swimming pool). Without even air pressure on the moon and thus air resistance, there's even less force acting against an object in motion.

    That doesn't constitute proof of course. I don't know for sure what movement in a 1/6G environment would really look like. Not for certain.

    I would imagine movement on the moon to be smooth and swift. The astronauts could easily have demonstrated the reality of lunar conditions however, and what low gravity is really like, by performing a 6ft high vertical jump - easily done given their weight, spacesuit and all. But they didn't do that. OR, throw a large rock. It would be possible, in 1/6 gravity, for a man to haul a small boulder hundreds of yards. Wouldn't it? They didn't do that either. I remember Bill mooting this exact point here from Dave McGowan, and it's worth repeating.

    So yeh, the Apollo footage is fake, at least some of it.

    One potential reason for doing so was, if the mission failed or something catastrophic occurred, live footage of it would not be beamed all around the world (and they didn't want that in front of the Russians). The second reason could be that genuine live lunar footage might get compromised 'by unwelcome visitors'. Because they were not alone up there. As Tintin says, they were indeed being observed.

    Buzz Aldrin has stated (several times) that he watched a UFO tagging them all the way to moon. He's also talked about the monolith structure on Phobos (one of Mars's moons) that is not a natural formation. He said 'god put it there', lol. A comment diluted for television, because he could hardly come out and say aliens put it there.

    Here's another small thing. Everyone's familiar with Apollo 13 (they made a movie about it). That mission encountered a serious technical fault near the moon, had to abort and return to earth before they ran out of air. That was a big fat lie - it could never have reached the moon and completed its mission in the first place, at least not the 'official mission.' The official mission would have 13 land in Fra Mauro crater. Only problem is (so it is claimed by more than one researcher)...the period actually covering the mission, April 1970, the crater and the entire sector it occupied was in total darkness. No comms would've been possible, meaning no mission was possible.

    Evidence of this sort is more compelling to me than photos with dodgy shadows/reflections. Although there are some very strange anomalies involving vistas and backdrops - and the same vistas and backdrops showing up in numerous places miles apart, and allegedly in multiple missions (miles apart).



    There IS something odd about this picture. It's not possible to 'move' the Landing module. It doesn't PROVE a whole lot per se, because it doesn't prove they weren't on the moon. But it's suggestive of something being amiss. Added to the many, many other things that are also amiss, it indicates the official story is suspect. NASA lie. They lie a lot. What else is a lie?

    What would go some way to clearing up a lot of conspiracy theories and claims is if NASA published the hundreds of hours of broadcast footage captured on the moon. Not the films developed and published after the event, and likewise the photographs, but the raw LIVE broadcast footage. Ah, but no one has ever seen them, any of them!!

    All we have of Apollo 11 is the blurry, shaky footage of 'one small step for a man' etc, broadcast that night in 1969. The original, raw, first-generation footage has NEVER been aired. Truth is, the original feed had to be first intercepted by tracking stations in Australia, before being transmitted to Houston - who then re-shot it with their own cameras off a small black-and-white monitor! thus converting it for broadcast over the airwaves. That's why the quality is so awful. That's why it's streaked with 'ghosting' artefacts. NASA never sufficiently explained why they did it in such a convoluted way, why they couldn't simply broadcast the original, or why they never, later, broadcast the original for posterity.

    Where's that raw, first-generation footage that's never been shown? Why hasn't it been shown? I'll tell you why - unbelievably, it's all GONE!

    Possibly the most important and historic film archive in the history of humanity...is apparently gone. NASA 'lost it', all of it, in the 1970s. And they didn't just 'lose' one tape, or one box of tapes. They lost ALL 700 boxes of tapes from the Apollo missions! ALL of them! That, my friends, is a goshdarn travesty. How is it even possible that all that original footage is just poof, gone?! I think everyone, even sceptics, should be suspicious about that.

    'Did we or didn't we go to the moon' as a conspiracy question is just a smokescreen that blankets something greater, and deeper for me. And for me that is: what's on the moon they didn't want us to see?
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    Quote Posted by Nasu (here)
    Have you looked at this companion thread, a lot of the videos have been removed suspiciously, but it cover a lot of the answers you seek.... N

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...en-on-the-Moon
    Not yet.
    Thanks I will shortly though.

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    Yes I think we got there but not without help.
    Do you mean without extraterrestrial help? I am not convinced of a billion dollar cover-up. I may be wrong but think we made it unaided, the technology of the time more advanced than it has been given credit for.
    The Chinese survived the Van Allen belts unscathed so it can be done..if now why not then?
    If the landings were hoaxed..taking the shine off one of mankind's greatest achievements then the sceptics should be applauding the Chinese for beating NASA and the soviets to the punch.

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    Thanks Mariner for taking the time to make this post!
    As I said when I entered this thread, I haven't put in years or even months of research into this topic.

    However with the little research I have done, I did manage to find pretty much everything you mention below.


    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
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    I suspect that most of the footage they showed us of the Apollo missions were fake, shot on earth (and in space) ahead of time. The evidence for that is quite compelling....

    The 'slow motion' of bouncing astronauts looks pretty suspect to me....

    ...So yeh, the Apollo footage is fake, at least some of it.

    One potential reason for doing so was, if the mission failed or something catastrophic occurred, live footage of it would not be beamed all around the world (and they didn't want that in front of the Russians). The second reason could be that genuine live lunar footage might get compromised 'by unwelcome visitors'. Because they were not alone up there. As Tintin says, they were indeed being observed.
    This backup footage explanation just does not make any sense for me.

    OK, if you really went and wanted to make sure no one saw any f_ups if they had occurred then sure prepare some footage in advance, in case it's needed.... BUT..
    simply have a delay in live feed of 'x' number of minutes.

    No problems with the mission? Run the 'live' feed, delayed a few minutes.
    Problems with the mission? Run the 'canned' feed, delayed a few minutes.


    Quote Buzz Aldrin has stated (several times) that he watched a UFO tagging them all the way to moon. He's also talked about the monolith structure on Phobos (one of Mars's moons) that is not a natural formation. He said 'god put it there', lol. A comment diluted for television, because he could hardly come out and say aliens put it there.
    I'll personally choose to take what Aldrin says with a grain of salt.


    Quote There IS something odd about this picture. It's not possible to 'move' the Landing module. It doesn't PROVE a whole lot per se, because it doesn't prove they weren't on the moon. But it's suggestive of something being amiss. Added to the many, many other things that are also amiss, it indicates the official story is suspect. NASA lie. They lie a lot. What else is a lie?
    What was real? Show us the proof please.
    With 9/11, when asked for evidence that 19 hijackers and Al Qaeda did it, they said "Well you saw the planes go into the towers on TV didn't you?"

    Same with the moon landing. "Well you saw Armstrong set foot on the moon on TV didn't you?"

    Quote What would go some way to clearing up a lot of conspiracy theories and claims is if NASA published the hundreds of hours of broadcast footage captured on the moon....

    Where's that raw, first-generation footage that's never been shown? Why hasn't it been shown? I'll tell you why - unbelievably, it's all GONE!
    Why hasn't the footage from the cameras at the Pentagon been shown? It's all gone!

    Quote Possibly the most important and historic film archive in the history of humanity...is apparently gone. NASA 'lost it', all of it, in the 1970s. And they didn't just 'lose' one tape, or one box of tapes. They lost ALL 700 boxes of tapes from the Apollo missions! ALL of them! That, my friends, is a goshdarn travesty.
    No I wouldn't characterize that as a travesty.
    I would characterize that as a lie.

    Quote 'Did we or didn't we go to the moon' as a conspiracy question is just a smokescreen that blankets something greater, and deeper for me. And for me that is: what's on the moon they didn't want us to see?
    That's a romantic belief to have.
    Until someone, anyone, shows me proof we were there,
    I'll go with the "links or it didn't happen!" request.

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    Star Mariner..
    You've not heard the update?
    Some of those lost videos have been found! There are 3 reels of the only surviving first-generation tapes of the moon walk and the recordings were bought by a NASA intern as part of a 1,150 set of reels in a government surplas store in 1976.
    The guy paid 217 dollars for them and had them sitting in his loft before he decided to take a look at them. The videos were simply labelled "moon landings" and recently piqued his curiosity.
    In sequence with the 50 year anniversary too..what are the odds of that??
    They are apparently being auctioned off at Southebys tomorrow (Saturday)..the estimated bids are for a mere million pounds..so I would get down there and start bidding for an incredible piece of history.

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    Something that always made me feel doubtful was the car or "moon buggy" we supposedly brought with us to drive around for what seems like no reason. Imagine fitting that car into the lunar lander... N

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    Something that always made me feel doubtful was the car or "moon buggy" we supposedly brought with us to drive around for what seems like no reason. Imagine fitting that car into the lunar lander... N
    Here's a 9-second animation that may help.

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