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    Something that always made me feel doubtful was the car or "moon buggy" we supposedly brought with us to drive around for what seems like no reason. Imagine fitting that car into the lunar lander... N
    Here's a 9-second animation that may help.

    Looks Disney-ish to me. I like how the 3D-wheels just pop up from nowhere. Weren't taking up any space either?

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    Jim Humble of MMS fame apparently worked for NASA. He says he was brought in to repair the moon buggy before it was sent off. It had a mechanical failure just before launch and he was brought in to do the repairs.

    It's in one of the recorded interviews.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Quote Posted by Nasu (here)
    Something that always made me feel doubtful was the car or "moon buggy" we supposedly brought with us to drive around for what seems like no reason. Imagine fitting that car into the lunar lander... N
    Here's a 9-second animation that may help.

    Looks Disney-ish to me. I like how the 3D-wheels just pop up from nowhere. Weren't taking up any space either?
    I can't do all the work, lol. Some people like a very short video and may decide to look further.

    Remember, it's your discernment

    This is a real 4 minute demonstration.



    Apollo 15 unpacking from the lunar rover.
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    Apollo 15 unpacking from the lunar rover.
    I assume they just abandoned the rover on the 'moon'?
    If it took them that much trouble just to unpack it...

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Why would people like the ex Nazi SS officer and v2 rocketeer genius Verner von Braun, be brought to the United States as part of paper clip, and to be the 1st head of NASA? To pull a stunt?

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    He was by far the most qualified man. He wanted space, that is all. I do not defend him. there's lots to read on his involvement back in the Nazi party days.

    Think of it this way. When top athletes looking to win Olympic gold where asked, "If we gave you a drug that would allow you to win the gold, but kill you 5 years later, would you take it?"

    Over 70% said yes.

    Von Braun's entire life was dedicated to making rockets work and to get humans into space. He happened to be in Germany and working on it, when the whole Nazi thing erupted. He was caught in the whirlwind. The apparatus was created around him.

    He left Germany before it ended, he basically capitulated and moved to being captured by the US before the war was over in the area he was located. (Or something similar to that - it is a long and involved story). Indications are that he was not a Nazi. He wanted humanity in space. Period. He knew how to get it done.

    So the USA took him in with no serious qualms. Indications are that he had nothing to do with the residual Nazi connections that happened in the USA after the war, among the given Project Paperclip Scientists.

    Kurt Debus is the more interesting character, in some critical ways.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_H._Debus

    This, from long reading on the subject via Jim Marrs and Joseph P Farrell's given writings.

    Debus' specialties are electromotive forces involving craft design.

    Which sounds a lot like Black ops triangle craft and the like. That's the bigger clue, by far.

    Not that the landings were faked, but that there was a parallel effort in black ops for far far more advanced craft, and that the rocket program was abandoned... and was more like tossing a nickel at the public. Nickels compared to fortunes spent in parallel black ops highly advanced technology programs.

    That the more perfected higher sciences and craft was where the real work being done, in those black ops programs.

    that the whole mess of the world and the run on USA finances and world reserve dollar itself, was for financing this monumental effort to get humans into space to deal with the considered alien problem and their advanced technology.

    So that everything that happened to the USA to go from what it was at the end of the second world war... to the mess of today for the world and the people of the USA... was all about this hidden gateway of insanely advanced technologies. A gold rush of insane proportions for the dark oligarchy.

    And that they made the entire world, via the might of the USA - the grist for that mill.

    Which is the 'breakaway civilization' aspect covered by Richard Dolan, etc.


    The whole thing, historically, chronologically.. is laid out pretty darned clearly with names, dates, places, etc, by Joseph Farrell.
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

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    Jim Humble of MMS fame apparently worked for NASA. He says he was brought in to repair the moon buggy before it was sent off. It had a mechanical failure just before launch and he was brought in to do the repairs.

    It's in one of the recorded interviews.
    Yes, here:
    From the transcript:

    Bill Ryan: In your first career, which you had back in aerospace, didn’t you have something to do with the Lunar Module? Or the Lunar Lander, was it?

    Jim Humble: I was working at the General Motors Defense Research Laboratories in Santa Barbara at the time. And they had taken the Lunar Vehicle up there to get it ready to be loaded on the ship going to the Moon, of course. And there was some parts inside of it that was broken. And I don’t know, minor, tiny accident, but there was a few wires that were broken and everything. And I happened to be an electronic technician, and they knew I was, so they called me in and had me repair the Lunar Vehicle. [laughter]

    And so, I just got to work on it. And it was kind of interesting, what they were doing. And did they go to the Moon or didn’t they? I don’t know [laughs] whether they took it to the Moon or they took it out to the mountains in the desert. But I assume that they took it to the Moon.

    BR: We actually heard from one of our whistleblowers that both of the stories were correct, that some of the missions went to the Moon, some did not. Some of the photographs were real and some were not. It’s a real mixed bag.

    JH: Yeah. Right. I remember that flag, you know, waving. [laughter] So you’re never... of course, there wasn’t any air on the Moon, so the flag really shouldn’t have been waving.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan, talking to Jim Humble (here)

    BR: We actually heard from one of our whistleblowers that both of the stories were correct, that some of the missions went to the Moon, some did not. Some of the photographs were real and some were not. It’s a real mixed bag.
    That was 'Henry Deacon' (real name Arthur Neumann).

    From http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_4.html

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    We asked Henry if the Apollo astronauts had actually gone to the moon. This was a question that had not actually previously occurred to us in earlier meetings. There was a long pause before Henry replied saying: Yes, they had. But it was not a simple answer.

    Most of the missions did indeed go to the moon, but some photos and film footage were fabricated for PR purposes, and - remarkably – some advanced technology was borrowed: a lightweight nano tech-skin shielding combined with a charged-field technology were utilized on some of the craft to provide very effective radiation shielding, combined with other technologies used to protect the astronauts from Gamma and other hazardous radiations and energetic particles during the journeys. Additional advanced “alien” technologies were added to land the Lunar Module and assist take-off from the moon.

    Some Apollo astronauts were aware of these technologies (though only a couple were aware of the alternative space program). This accounts for some general reluctance to be interviewed or to speak openly on the subject. Their anger at those who claim they never went at all is understandable, because they did indeed reach the moon. They were very brave men... and they had some help.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan, talking to Jim Humble (here)

    BR: We actually heard from one of our whistleblowers that both of the stories were correct, that some of the missions went to the Moon, some did not. Some of the photographs were real and some were not. It’s a real mixed bag.
    That was 'Henry Deacon' (real name Arthur Neumann).

    From http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_4.html:
    Bill the above link is not working for me.
    Fixed it by removing the ":" colon at the end.

    From Bill: many thanks — fixed in the original now.


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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    The moon?
    Did you know that Canada has already been to Mars, planted a flag there, and kept it under wraps?
    It was a top secret project by TPTB and is only being revealed now.
    Check out this leaked photo.

    https://i.cbc.ca/1.5211508.156355131...ch-station.JPG

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Forgive me if not deemed relevant here, but I seem to remember something about a "coke bottle" appearing on official moon landing footage. Was this correct, or am i myself simply off planet/base about this. What was the official and unofficial relevance of it, and does anyone know the truth. Curious.

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    Forgive me if not deemed relevant here, but I seem to remember something about a "coke bottle" appearing on official moon landing footage. Was this correct, or am i myself simply off planet/base about this. What was the official and unofficial relevance of it, and does anyone know the truth. Curious.
    Here's the coke bottle story, from Mary Bennett and David Percy's Dark Moon:

    ~~~

    In western Australia, a woman pseudonymed "Una Ronald" stayed up late to watch live Apollo 11 coverage and saw a Coke bottle kicked across the screen. When the coverage was repeated the next day, the bottle had disappeared.

    The inhabitants of western Australia did not see the same version of the moonwalk as the rest of the world. Since the radio telescope receiving the signal was located in eastern Australia, the Australian television stations just copied the signal directly before it was sent off to America and the rest of the world.

    Una Ronald actually saw a delayed broadcast of videotape flown to Perth from Sydney. There was no direct hookup across the Australian continent so the western Australians had no way of seeing it live.

    In contrast to the grainy, indistinct images of the astronauts, the Coke bottle was clear and sharp and unmistakable. The unknown Australian whistle-blower was sending the message that the Apollo 11 telecast was nothing but a big marketing ploy.

    When Una and her friends watched the repeats, the bottle was not there. But a week or so later, letters to the editor appeared in The Western Australian newspaper from other people who had seen it. The Western Australian declined to respond to our inquiries about those letters.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Documentary Room 237 explores the possibility that Kubrick´s film the shining, was a confession to helping fake the moon landing.




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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    To those who understand the Apollo radio communications, it is quite clear the moon landings were real. Features like Doppler shift, propagation delay, and direction - to list only two - cannot be faked. If so perhaps someone could explain how?

    These aspects of communications were received and analysed - even in the 1960s - by well-equipped amateurs spread around the world who would have noticed something clearly very odd had the transmissions not been genuine.

    Not only that, but there are masses of engineering documents describing the problems and solutions for radio communications, radar, telemetry data etc. that engineers were using at the time. So to those of us who realise what was involved in just this aspect alone... well those who believe the hoax nonsense are not only maliciously ignorant of the facts, but I consider them to be deluded. Harsh I know, but what other explanation is there?

    Those who have no engineering background and don't want to or are incapable of appreciating the facts, well they can just carry on living in their fantasy while the rest of us do stuff. (I'm not suggesting all those of a non-technical background are delusional - just a tiny few regarding this topic. You won't find any qualified communications engineers believing this hoax BS.)

    And in any case, haven't various non-US lunar orbiters photographed the Apollo landing sites?

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Hey there, Nick — 100% fully agreed with your points.

    'The Apollo landings being faked' is of course a little vague. That tends to mean different things to different people, so discussion can sometimes slide around all over the place.

    To me, that means the photos and film were faked. But yes, they did go to the moon, and land, and return... and what really happened there is unclear. Many have assumed that the fakery of the photos means they never went at all. That's not necessarily so, of course.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    Just to be fair, if such a thing is possible, here's an article that disagrees with my bit of musing (and recollections on reading about it) re Von Braun.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-monsters.html
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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    John Lear seems to be emphatically convinced that there was no moon landing.

    I'm sure somebody can comment on that.

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    If the live TV pictures were real (and I understand the various technical problems that had to be overcome to achieve this, particularly regarding the different TV standards between US and Europe - so for me live video was undoubtedly real), why would they fake the film and photos? I've seen some photos that appear to have been touched up - some surprisingly clumsily - but faking the film? Surely landscape inconstancies between film and video would be really obvious. Maybe some folks think they are?

    The analogue NTSC TV standards/definition used at the time for the early missions, along with the limited transmission power, probably rendered moving images that were far too ropey for serious scientific study, so I guess that's why they used film too. But how could any scientific study not immediately recognise fake lunar film footage?

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    Default Re: ‘Undeniable’ proof' the Moon Landings were faked?

    I watched the Apollo 11 film/vid/doc last night.... and the very first full super high rez panoramic color shot shown (once they landed, of the moon surface), had a very subtle stitch spot in it, near the middle.... What that means, no one knows...
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