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    Hello, Everyone:

    I'm unaware of a Health and Wellness thread about this, but I figured the issue must be so common it might be appreciated by some. That's the issue of joint stiffness, arthritis (when things get rather more difficult), and inflammation in general, which I suspect isn't all that well understood by many.

    I have a minor issue myself with this, which is what got me looking at it all. (So often, we only pay attention to these things when a problem surfaces!)

    I have slightly creaky knees — Okay, so have most of us, may come the answer — but it's important here, as I'm a mountaineer who ventures into the high wilderness regularly. So it's pretty crucial for me to have strong knees that are guaranteed to work well.

    I'll report on my progress, as I and others do on the very interesting Water Fasting thread. When I realized there was a problem — stiffness and the very occasional pain under load, which has never happened before — I figured the following:
    1. This has only just started... which means it can be easily caught and handled.
    2. It's all within my control, as it's highly likely to be 99% connected with diet and inflammatory foods.
    So for the last 10 days or so I've strictly cut out all
    • sugars (apart from fruits and honey)
    • dairy products (zero milk, butter, cheese or yogurt)
    • eggs
    • wheat, oats and corn.
    • (I don't drink alcohol, or else I'd have cut that out as well.)
    And I'm taking a tablespoon of turmeric a day, mixed with sesame oil and a ton of ground black pepper, to aid absorption. Turmeric is famous for being a natural and highly effective anti-inflammatory. It's impossible to overdose on the stiff. (Ask any Indian cook! )

    Things are getting better already. Even 10 days focused attention, with a bit of added discipline that's been surprisingly easy, has made a difference. I'm giving myself a major stress-test tomorrow, on a strenuous high day hike, and I'll report back.

    I'd love to hear of others' experiences here. I'm aware my little issue here is really minor compared with those who've been coping with arthritis and other inflammation-connected problems. But I do know that some have turned those right around, too. Your shared stories might be VERY helpful to a lot of people.


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    I have read quite a bit about inflammation, not only for my creaky knees, my partner's knees but also regarding inflammation and the role it is playing in my horses allergic reactions during certain seasons.

    For both horses and humans, Spirulina seems to help inflammation on any number of levels. I am currently on day 3 experimenting with my horse and will be reporting results.

    Also, omega 3,6,9 supplements are good, as is evening primrose oil. They also help with reduction of inflammation.
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    Shark Cartilage was "In" for a few years for dealing with this. However, an ice cold pack on the affected area or meditation could help. Onwards and upwards

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    I thought I would add Dr. Mercola's take on inflammation.

    https://articles.mercola.com/inflammation.aspx


    The article is a great overview of the topic and suggests diet, nutritional and behavioral interventions. Personally, I have found Tumeric to be really effective. He also lists Spirulina, which is what Valerie is using for her horse. I have tried to add it to my diet but just can't overcome my strong dislike of the taste..I know, it's a poor excuse. Does anyone have a good way to disguise the taste of spirulina?

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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    Does anyone have a good way to disguise the taste of spirulina?
    In smoothies, maybe with honey or sweet fruit (banana, pineapple, etc) to mask the taste.

    (THX for the reminder! I have a big bag of spirulina, but I've not opened it for a while. That's very useful. )

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    My shoulder hurts so much I feel like ripping it out sometimes. Tendonitis. Inflammation and the pain irradiates to the arm and neck. Doctor just giving me anti-inflammatory medicine once a day and hot compresses but I am reading I should use an ice pack ? Doctor doesn’t want to give me cortisone injection because of my diabetis. ( under control ) Any advice ?
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Hello, Everyone:

    I'm unaware of a Health and Wellness thread about this, but I figured the issue must be so common it might be appreciated by some. That's the issue of joint stiffness, arthritis (when things get rather more difficult), and inflammation in general, which I suspect isn't all that well understood by many.

    I have a minor issue myself with this, which is what got me looking at it all. (So often, we only pay attention to these things when a problem surfaces!)

    I have slightly creaky knees — Okay, so have most of us, may come the answer — but it's important here, as I'm a mountaineer who ventures into the high wilderness regularly. So it's pretty crucial for me to have strong knees that are guaranteed to work well.

    I'll report on my progress, as I and others do on the very interesting Water Fasting thread. When I realized there was a problem — stiffness and the very occasional pain under load, which has never happened before — I figured the following:
    1. This has only just started... which means it can be easily caught and handled.
    2. It's all within my control, as it's highly likely to be 99% connected with diet and inflammatory foods.
    So for the last 10 days or so I've strictly cut out all
    • sugars (apart from fruits and honey)
    • dairy products (zero milk, butter, cheese or yogurt)
    • eggs
    • wheat, oats and corn.
    • (I don't drink alcohol, or else I'd have cut that out as well.)
    And I'm taking a tablespoon of turmeric a day, mixed with sesame oil and a ton of ground black pepper, to aid absorption. Turmeric is famous for being a natural and highly effective anti-inflammatory. It's impossible to overdose on the stiff. (Ask any Indian cook! )

    Things are getting better already. Even 10 days focused attention, with a bit of added discipline that's been surprisingly easy, has made a difference. I'm giving myself a major stress-test tomorrow, on a strenuous high day hike, and I'll report back.

    I'd love to hear of others' experiences here. I'm aware my little issue here is really minor compared with those who've been coping with arthritis and other inflammation-connected problems. But I do know that some have turned those right around, too. Your shared stories might be VERY helpful to a lot of people.

    Dear Mr. Ryan and friends,

    I'm in the middle of the century and I try to prevent such problems and among other things that I do for my health I eat from time to time the following recipe as shown in the video below:
    - 2 pig feet;
    - 2 pig ears;
    - 1-2 pig tails
    salt,black pepper and garlic according to your taste. Any other seasoning is welcome

    Wash wall the pig parts because you never now what were the conditions in the slaughter house or warehouse,cut the feet longitudinal to extract as much collagen during boiling and all these put them to boil until the flesh fall from the bones.
    During boiling,from time to time remove the foam for a clear finished product.
    When the meat fall from the bones take the meat out and let the soup to cool on the table.
    During cooling remove the fat from the surface.
    When the soup is cool enough pour it over meat and put it in refrigerator over night.
    Next day before lunch,bake a healthy bread and than is to most favorable moment to enjoy a good portion of collagen,gelatine,lysine and arginine for all the joints and not only and a small amount of calories.

    And the 3:25 min. video
    "Your planet is forbidden for an open visit - extremely aggressive social environment,despite almost perfect climatic conditions.Almost 4 billion violent deaths for the last 5000 years and about 15000 major military conflicts in the same period."

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    Quote 2 pig feet;- 2 pig ears;- 1-2 pig tails
    O.o EFO I think I rather have my joint stiffness, arthritis and inflammation.

    Serious though EFO Good if it works but not for me
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    Regard spirulina, when I have it I also add it to smoothies, but the taste can still dominate.

    A few years ago I had a health condition that I was treating with certain veggies and fruits which did not make for a good tasting smoothie. I found I could take anything with the addition of fresh lemon juice and it still always works to hide things I would rather not taste

    Lemon juice helps cleanse the liver and the rind helps even more, just make sure they are organic if you use the rind. I usually use just half the rind in a smoothie blend as it's bitter and more is not really needed. It's a bit rough so I strain it.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Hello, Everyone:

    I'm unaware of a Health and Wellness thread about this, but I figured the issue must be so common it might be appreciated by some. That's the issue of joint stiffness, arthritis (when things get rather more difficult), and inflammation in general, which I suspect isn't all that well understood by many.

    I have a minor issue myself with this, which is what got me looking at it all. (So often, we only pay attention to these things when a problem surfaces!)

    I have slightly creaky knees — Okay, so have most of us, may come the answer — but it's important here, as I'm a mountaineer who ventures into the high wilderness regularly. So it's pretty crucial for me to have strong knees that are guaranteed to work well.

    I'll report on my progress, as I and others do on the very interesting Water Fasting thread. When I realized there was a problem — stiffness and the very occasional pain under load, which has never happened before — I figured the following:
    1. This has only just started... which means it can be easily caught and handled.
    2. It's all within my control, as it's highly likely to be 99% connected with diet and inflammatory foods.
    So for the last 10 days or so I've strictly cut out all
    • sugars (apart from fruits and honey)
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    • eggs
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    • (I don't drink alcohol, or else I'd have cut that out as well.)
    And I'm taking a tablespoon of turmeric a day, mixed with sesame oil and a ton of ground black pepper, to aid absorption. Turmeric is famous for being a natural and highly effective anti-inflammatory. It's impossible to overdose on the stiff. (Ask any Indian cook! )

    Things are getting better already. Even 10 days focused attention, with a bit of added discipline that's been surprisingly easy, has made a difference. I'm giving myself a major stress-test tomorrow, on a strenuous high day hike, and I'll report back.

    I'd love to hear of others' experiences here. I'm aware my little issue here is really minor compared with those who've been coping with arthritis and other inflammation-connected problems. But I do know that some have turned those right around, too. Your shared stories might be VERY helpful to a lot of people.

    I do a combination when I get plagued by stiff joints.
    Clears up the problem pretty fast.
    1) Micromat, (PEMFdevice) using the “Joints” and “Pain” programs.
    2) Gelicart, an over the counter medication that protects the joints by depositing a jelly-like cushion between the bones.
    3) hot salt bag on the painful area. (Usually my hip)
    Also use tumeric sometimes, but dont really like the taste, not even in tea.
    Have lots of tumeric plants growing around the house, though.

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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Quote 2 pig feet;- 2 pig ears;- 1-2 pig tails
    EFO I think I rather have my joint stiffness, arthritis and inflammation.
    Well, it's actually just a kind of bone broth. My guess is that the same benefits would be found from beef bones, as well — a good source of collagen.

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    The ball and socket joint in my shoulders are sore I don't think anything can be done about it but "Discomfort" can be reduced.
    I use castor oil mixed with DMSO.
    Hands are arthritic.

    I dont think coffee is a good idea.
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    Be careful on your "strenuous high day hike". I had minor knee irritations until one day when it became a major issue. The meniscus was very damaged and I was only hampered by it slightly until one day when it suddenly showed itself in its full furry.

    I know you take the necessary precautions and such. Our bodies can compensate and hide issues from us. I would hate to hear a story of you having to hop down a mountain path on one leg.

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    Perhaps wearing a simple neoprene or similar brace on your knee to stabilize it while on the hikes could reduce the risk.

    As Patient said above, the same thing happened to me one day, but while doing squats (which I had literally done thousands of time in my life) and to this day, many years later, it is still and will always be messed up.
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    I have found that a thumb of ginger in the morning smoothie works miracles for the inflammation and pain.
    And then the day came, when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom.

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    Also - a V shaped pillow can help in many different ways from neck pain, back pain and can also be placed between your knees too Re neck and back pain, if you dont have a V shaped pillow, simply place one on top of the other at an angle to create a v for your head, and your shoulder goes underneath/up against - and re knees etc - just try one between them. A little known fact, apparently 1 in 5 arthritic sufferers suffer from "Ekbom Syndrome" or involuntary movement of the legs, (also known as "fidgety feet" in scotland, or Restless legs/Tried Legs) which apparently was misdiagnosed by the medical fraternity for 40+ years. Massaging the legs with a seaweed gel can help get the circulation going and the high content of trace elements and amino acids getting absorbed by the skin can also help in many different ways. Wishing you well.

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    Quote Posted by Franny (here)
    Regard spirulina, when I have it I also add it to smoothies, but the taste can still dominate.

    A few years ago I had a health condition that I was treating with certain veggies and fruits which did not make for a good tasting smoothie. I found I could take anything with the addition of fresh lemon juice and it still always works to hide things I would rather not taste

    Lemon juice helps cleanse the liver and the rind helps even more, just make sure they are organic if you use the rind. I usually use just half the rind in a smoothie blend as it's bitter and more is not really needed. It's a bit rough so I strain it.
    Franny, I just learned the wonderful trick of adding fresh lemon to make just about every vegetable blended drink taste really good. I just inherited my sisters old Vitamix and I am totally blown away by all the veggies I can blend into a drink and make it good by adding lemon and even better by throwing in a handful of berries. I don't know if I'm pushing my luck but I am going to try to add a hunk of zucchini squash tonight and see if it will still taste good. I love the fact that it also has liver cleansing qualities, which has to be beneficial for inflammation as well. ( I had to try and tie my comment into the topic somehow )

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    One of the main causes of arthritis, rheumatism and many other inflammatory diseases is auto-intoxication, which is due to faulty elimination. Uneliminated, decayed food stays like a paste of glue on the walls of the intestines and is absorbed into the blood. Disease naturally follows.

    It is the fashion these days to recommend medical marijuana and the like but I would endorse a fruit juice diet or complete fast, one day per week.

    Another recommendation which I think would improve the health of the average man who lives on an ordinary diet, is to evacuate the intestines and flush the bowels completely once or twice a month by a day of drinking only vegetable juices or two or three quarts of water. This general house-cleaning is helpful. To flush the drains and pipes of the arteries every now and then is to prevent them from becoming clogged with poisons.

    I would also recommend the energization exercises developed by Paramahansa Yogananda.
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    I think the problem come from SUGAR, and AGE, we need to lower our consumption of sugar and our joints will worked considerably well. Think you have a good Menu ahead !

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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
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    O.o EFO I think I rather have my joint stiffness, arthritis and inflammation.

    Serious though EFO Good if it works but not for me
    I'm sorry if I disturbed you with my recipe,but I've add it for Bill if he eat this kind of food and for other readers of the forum.
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