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    Default A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    I was doing some research on the Mayan calendar and came across a very interesting hypothesis by a researcher named Christian Irigaray. The official start date of the current Mayan age is 3114 BC:

    Quote This date of 3114 BC for the beginning of the Mayan Era is stipulated by the GMT (Goodman-Martinez-Thompson) correlation of the Mayan Long Count calendar. It is the “official” correlation of the Mayan Long Count calendar, but in fact this GMT correlation is actually only 1 out of 52 correlations proposed since the study of this Long Count system was undertaken by scholars.
    Mr. Irigaray feels the GMT model is flawed because it doesn’t have any astronomical basis. He feels that the length of a Katun is not a fixed number of days but slightly varies based on the length of time between conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn:

    Quote Any true astronomer would immediately recognize that these Katun periods of 20 years are linked to the natural 20 year cycle in which Jupiter and Saturn come into conjunction. This conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn is known as the Great Conjunction and it is among the most important of astronomical cycles because it is the natural planetary basis for long term dating (of an Era or Age for example) within the Great Cycle of precession.

    The Great Conjunction is the recurrent alignment of Jupiter and Saturn in the heavens from our earthly perspective, and it may be considered as “great” insomuch as it involves the alignment of the most massive planets of the solar system but also because it is the longest period of planetary conjunction visible to the naked eye observer.
    You can read more here: https://www.academia.edu/33491408/Th...rican_Calendar

    And you can browse his other works here: https://independent.academia.edu/ChristianIrigaray

    Oh, and if you are wondering when the next conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn is—it’s on December 21st, 2020. I find it very interesting that the exact date of the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction also happens to be on the day of the winter solstice.

    Quote In studying this matter, we spotted another curious astronomical coincidence that indicated that we were on to something on this track. The Great Conjunction of April 17, 3124 BC could have been the original cue for the Mayan Era’s beginning if the katun is a reference to the Great Conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn. This date of beginning for the Mayan Era would provide an end for the Mayan Era on the 260th Great Conjunction of December 21, 2020 AD.
    Also, it’s interesting to note that the very early writings of David Wilcock (before he was "sidetracked") also placed some focus on the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction:

    Quote Now, we check in on Maurice Chatelain. This chapter focuses on Chatelain's work in attempting to fit the fundamental counting unit of the Mayan Calendar, the ~20 year katun, into the conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn. Even though we can demonstrate that Chatelain was wrong, the mathematical connection between the cycles graphed by the Maya and the Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions is undeniable.
    https://divinecosmos.com/books-free-...ayan-calendar/

    It was David's statement about Chatelain being "wrong" that triggered something in me to start looking into it more deeply.

    I don't know what to make of all this but for those of you hoping for some good doom porn--here it is:

    Quote In the early 16th century, when the Spanish missionaries began reporting their encounters with Native American cultures, they unanimously began to spot legends and myths among the Maya, Aztec, Inca, etc., which were quite similar (if not identical) to those depicted in Biblical literature. The most obvious, of course, was that of the Great Flood/Universal Deluge because it is universally recounted by all human cultures of this planet.
    Fray Francisco Ximénez was a Dominican priest which conserved the famous Maya book Popol Vuh, and he comments:

    “…what these [people] said about the flood was also attested at Guatemala by the Achi Indians (these are the Cacchiquels) stating that they had it painted between others of their antiquities […].”

    Indeed they did, as is attested in the Dresden Codex and Tikal mural among other examples of ancient Maya depictions of the Deluge. Another Dominican Frair, Bartolomé de las Casas writes:

    “there was news about a flood and the end of the world, and they called it Butic, which means deluge of many waters and also judgment, and so they believe that another Butic is yet to come, which is another flood and judgment, not of water, but of fire, which they say has to be the end of the world, in which all creatures will fight each other […].”

    The story is more interesting at the hand of the “Relación de la Ciudad de Mérida”: an unedited text that the newly formed “cabildo” (city counsel) wrote in 1579:

    They [The Maya of Yucatan] had also news about the fall of Lucifer and the Flood, and that the world shall end by fire, and in order to signify this they performed a ceremony where they painted a caiman that meant the Deluge and the Earth, upon which caiman they made a great pile of wood and put it on fire, and after it was turned into live coal, they flattened it and the main priest passed barefooted over the live coal without being burnt, and after him everybody else who wished also passed, understanding by this that it was the fire that shall finish them all.

    Perhaps those who tell us that the Mayas never mention the end of the world, will kindly explain how the above mentioned information is justified.
    The above quote is from a different book by Mr. Irigaray:

    https://www.academia.edu/3275004/The...eus_Code_I-IV_

    Maybe there is something to that micronova talk....

    **Update**

    In the information above, the author states that if you measure katuns from one Great Conjunction to the next, start at April, 3124 BC, and count 260 of them--you will end up at December, 2020 being the end of the Mayan age. He also mentioned that the starting conjunction coincided exactly with the vernal equinox. I didn't put that in my original post because it seemed a little too much of a coincidence and I wasn't sure I believed it.

    I decided to independently verify this and, while it's trivial using Google to verify that the ending date matches the solstice exactly, it's not so easy for a date 5000 years ago. I downloaded Stellarium to go back in time myself to see this. Well, it's true, and I uploaded a screen shot from Stellarium to prove it:

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    Please note that in Stellarium, the date of 3124 BC = -3123. Also, in dates prior to about 3000 BC, the solstices and equinoxes are not fixed to specific dates like they are now. In the image, the sun is crossing the equatorial line in the sky with the longitude being 0 degrees. Jupiter and Saturn are conjunct at 16°18'20" and 16°19'38" respectively, and the date is April 16, 3124 BC.

    To sum this up, if you use this astronomical method to date the katuns, you end up with a beginning and end date that not only coincide with Great Conjunctions, they also coincide exactly with significant solar crossing dates as well.

    I must admit that this project started out as an academic exercise for me but seeing this myself in Stellarium made it much more real now. I encourage anyone who is curious to try this themselves.

    *******Edit August 31, 2019*******

    In order to use a long-term calendar that must be correlated with astronomical events, such as Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions that occur, on average, every 20 years, it would also help to have some sort of way to correctly predict when those events would occur. Is there any example of how ancient man could have made accurate predictions like this? As a matter-of-fact, there is. An astronomical mechanical computing device was recovered from the sea off the coast of a Greek island. This device has been dated to 150 BC or possibly much older. It took over a hundred years for scientists to figure out what it was and just how incredibly accurate it was for predicting planetary movements, eclipses, and more.

    Here is a video of what is called the "Antikythera Mechanism". It shows the recovered artifact slowly morphing into a 3D replica of how it worked in the past. This device could perform the complex mathematical calculations needed to forecast planetary positions far into the future using gears, a lot of gears. It also used pin-in-slot gears to introduce variable motion to accurately reflect the positions of the planets, sun, and moon, from the perspective of earth.


    What if the Mayans (or pre-Mayans) also had a similar device? Researchers say that the Mayan long-count calendar fell into disuse over a 1000 years ago. Why? Was the knowledge needed to use the calendar buried with time? Did they have such a device to predict astronomical events, such as Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions, but somehow it was broken or lost? I wish I knew...

    On another subject, even though the official date for the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction isn't until December, 21, 2020, it looks like our solar system planetary line up starts to get interesting next summer. I grabbed this picture from https://www.theplanetstoday.com/the_planets.html The image will be more readable if you click on it.

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    Next summer is looking rather lop-sided. Whether this is just noise or if this means anything with respect to solar flares, solar magnetic radiation, or something along those lines, I don't know. But for some reason, that picture makes the hair on head stand up.
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    unless you are a researcher of meso american civilizations, I understand that study of Maya's culture influence in our West society its a distraction, because we still are culturally ruled by Egypt, Babylon, Greece and Rome.

    unless you think about Atlanteans, and so yes, Egypt and Maya share this roots.

    except Greece, the native language of this four west, middle-west civilizations are dead ones, but the egyptian cults still remains in hebrew, paganism, gnostic, catholic, islam, protestantism, evangelicals, secret societies (masonic, rosacrucian, illuminatti, satanic) and more I miss here ...

    today we have the Amon-Rá material (the Book of the One), and so, any West culture or religion we study, the egyptian was in the roots, and the rest are stems derived from these ancient roots.

    for example, the infamous PAX Romana (ruled by Fear) are still running and up, and I mention the government by Fear, only because I supose you are afraid about other (prophetical / cult) catastrophe similar of others announced in 2000, 2005, 2012 (end of Maya calendar). In 2005 we had a great alignment too, with several planets, but we are still living here. Waiting Catastrophes ?
    Of course not ... at least, I'm not, quite the contrary.

    follow more some data, for further considerations:

    Jupiter - 12 years cycle, Saturn - 28.5 years cycle

    (28,5/12) = 2,375 years add+ to the 12 years of Jupiter cicle

    then, about each 14,4 years, Jupiter and Saturn will be conjunct

    each century have about 7 conjunctions between Jupiter and Saturn.
    and each thousand years have about 70, Why could you worry about one of them ?

    basically, Jupiter means expansion and Saturn constriction, then, when these two power meanings are together, inspired me more power equilibrium tuned emanations than other things.

    one wise hint - The Future is Open - because if not, it's not future.
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    With so many dates having come and gone with nothing noteworthy happening, it may be better not to max out your credit cards in preparation for spontaneous ascension on December 21st, 2020. Just in case...

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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    Reminds me of something I wrote a few years ago:


    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Re: Mayan Calendar out by 3.5 years?


    I suspect a widespread conspiracy somewhere here...

    A conspiracy that's showing the controlling grip of an AI that's called a "calendar." A mere piece of cardboard (ooops, that was last century, now it's digitally distributed photons).

    Of course, that's only a cover up for an even bigger conspiracy that's run on us and that's controlling our lives all year long, year after year...

    That's the one where both Sun and Earth are conniving to get us to go along a 24 hours cycle of nights and days and controlling our activities accordingly...

    Sovereignty: hah!

    I suspect that, in this conspiracy of controlling us, it's the Sun which has the upper hand but this would need further investigation/research for confirmation...

    Beside that, I don't think anyone knows what was the starting date for that calendar nor why that starting date was chosen for: Was it a celestial event? A coronation? The day their spaceship crashed? The day they blew up their home planet? Their D-Day of planet Earth invasion? Etc... Because of that, I think that no one knows what the ending date of that particular cycle and therefore the start of a new cycle actually means... anymore.

    As such and as with any other known calendar, it only denotes the end of a cycle/year and the start of a new one. No more than that!
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    Quote Posted by marielle (here)

    may be better not to max out your credit cards in preparation for spontaneous ascension on December 21st, 2020
    marielle, good cacht, but I feel better grants you say spontaneous by irony.

    first, laughing, think about if you use your "credit money" now, you'll be in debt in future, because the things you buy will be useless now, and maybe too in 2020, while the money for your needs goes fly away. ha . ha . ha . .

    second, " spontaneous ascension " not happens, anyway

    if you say it serious, (not for irony) I need to be some boring just to grants no polarized understoodment. Sure, certain circumstances appears be spontaneous, but I will tell a story regarding ascension, that can be eligible:

    ---
    A little child see a appetizing fruit in a tree, but does not reach, then, keeps wishing to grow, and so that, the child will can take the fruit. One day, another day keep wishing, another, another person takes the fruit and it disappears.

    Past some years, now the child grow up, the tree give fruits again, the child see a appetizing fruit again and take it, " remembering or not ", the first time he wants take the fruit in that tree, and satisfying the desire - that appears be 100% spontaneous now. (but other same desire was already there before, latent)
    ---

    forgive me if not understand my analogy, but we are talking about transpass some sutil area Ruled by Free Will, thats coud'n be a isolated fact, but indeed, a complex individual process.
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    I added an update to the original post above to show how to prove that the author's Grand Conjunction beginning date of the Mayan age coincided exactly with the vernal equinox in 3124 BC. So, both the beginning and end dates of using the astronomical method to date and count the katuns coincide with significant solar dates as well.

    Start: April 16, 3124 BC with a Grand Conjunction on the exact day of the vernal equinox

    End: December 21, 2020 with a Grand Conjunction on the exact day of the winter solstice


    I don't know about you, but I'm finding all of this pretty fascinating.

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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    its all energy!!!!
    And it affects everything and everybody.
    Which is probably why Eckhart Tolle and others say that "The universe brings everything about"
    Its all cyclic with variation.
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    I'm " feeling " this thread will stretch !!

    I'm just updating my available tools,
    because the date request databases which
    I never think before to study .. please be patient.

    I'm including one that I need to look " carefully ",
    but its the following, for you know which is:

    The Mayan Aztec Astrology Program creates Mayan horoscopes,
    but need to set program's instructions to get accurate results.

    download link - http://www.dearbrutus.com/mayan_horoscope.zip

    maybe works, we'll see ...

    other is -- The Freeware Astrology For Windows 3.0, one of the
    free astrology programs with a time-change atlas built in and an
    interface in 15 languages, that also offers composite charts, natal
    and transit reports, and 8000 years ephemeris.

    -update- -( not Free, its shareware - free with limited resources )

    You can download Astrology for Windows here
    http://www.halloran.com/astwin30.htm

    PS - after my worries about be affraid of ephemeris goes out,
    the spirit of curious researcher are more freely going on here ,
    for not to say I'm a stubborn indefatigable and incorrigible ..

    I looked Jupiter and Saturn conjunct on 1st degree of Aquarius
    21-dec-2020, and this appears me very Odd, among other things,
    but this conjuction happens in several days, by slow moves.
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    God no! Now I have to stock up on beans and rice AGAIN? I just finished up the last 25 pounds left over from Y2K.

    Seriously, this is very interesting. Thanks.
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    Recently, I have begun “prepping”. I have sensed that something is happening, but in the world of fragmented attention, I have not been able to identify exactly what the “something” is.

    I used to laugh at doomsday preppers. I mean, seriously, the world has been blown to smithereens and you think your bunker and canned goods are going to protect you from nuclear winter and radiation poisoning?

    But my senses are different this time. Something feels as though it is happening. Therefore, I am irrationally hoarding canned and freeze dried food that we would never choose to eat under normal conditions. And I’ve been canning like a madwoman. In 90 degree plus temps. It’s as though I am not in control, as if something else is driving me.

    But...there is something to be said for accidentally manifesting an outcome. Might we collectively hasten the end by believing in its inevitability? Two days ago, my husband was reinstalling a fallen downspout. He needed panhead screws. he had one. he needed two. Not having a second, he opened a box of deck screws (Phillips head). He reached into the new box and pulled out one wood colored pan head screw. It freaked him out- he dumped out the rest of the box and every other screw was a Phillips head. He, during a time of logistic frustration, lamented the lack of a pan head screw and somehow, the universe handed him exactly what he needed when he needed it. He had goosebumps for the remainder of the day.

    So maybe the world will end if we think we require it. Or maybe it will heal if we require that. We just need to want it or need it enough to manifest it. Let’s just hope it’s the right screw (sarcasm aside).
    “The World is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.”
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    Just for fun, here is a short (45 seconds) clip of an old TV show defining a Grand Conjunction or a Great Conjunction (I seem to have been using both terms):


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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    ‘Twin Peaks’?
    “The World is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.”
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

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    So maybe the world will end if we think we require it. Or maybe it will heal if we require that. We just need to want it or need it enough to manifest it. Let’s just hope it’s the right screw (sarcasm aside).
    You are right - I'll try to draw (superficially) something related to how it works.

    think we have three bodies (note - we have more bodies, but three is enough to explain here) - Physic, Psych and Mental !
    Then, we also have physic forms, psych forms and mental forms, more better saying "Thought Forms"

    Any physic manifestation, have previously formed a psych manifestation, and before the psych, a previous Thought manifestation, that leads the subsequent Forms.

    Here I need to tell you that psych forms, can be called by Desires, ie, are created and sustained by the "Desire Body", according the previous Thought Forms. But the Desire can change all or part of the respective (previous) Thought Form, before the physic manifestation starts, and subsequently, before the physic manifestation be consumated, the Desire can be changed, and this change can change the respective Thought.

    theoretically and by definition, a fact (physical) can be changed until the last second that it will happen, if the wishes (desires) and the Thoughts (mental) Forms are Updated.

    An Odd point to be observed here is Fear, because the fear is strongly impregnative, and very difficult to change quickly in all layers. BTW, Fear Attracts the Imminence !!

    ------- update with some astrological interpretations ----
    ------- better saying, pure speculations about Astros and Legends

    like as I said before, Jupiter means a expansion and Saturn a constriction.

    a person who birth under a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, will try to do something (expand) while internally will challenge for not to do it (constriction), like an authority control.

    we can means something about transpass a red signal, while we know its not a good idea, but eventually, we may ignore the red light and go ahead.

    This conjunction leads a personality that works a lot for developing relationships, taking too serious because can feel fear when establish and assume new relations. There have a type of "unaware father control" (Saturn is the father of Jupiter, meaning the myth of Cronos-Zeus), but the soon Jupiter one day dethrone his father and tottaly assume the realm (of mother Hera-Gaya), overcoming the power of his father and marrying with the mother (a red signal to be transpassed)

    this person will have a high perspective above the average people, but he don't can to relate completely until assume the full responsibility for himself.

    Thats exactly the Evolution PHASE of Humanity NOW - We need to assume the responsability from ourselves lifes, planet life, animals life, plants life, etc ... and I mean the seeds of this (Jupiter-Saturn) Catalysis can be substantially improved about 21-dec-2020, under the first degree of Aquarius. Very suggestive and inspiring (futurism)

    the aquarius era will start at years 2138-2142, then, until up we have 120 years to assume our responsability to live a (promissed?) new gold era, that will end up near two thousand years ahead (3800 - 3900 year ages).

    note:
    for the (saturnian-satanic) supposed owners of humanity until now, this changes can be seen as catastrophics for them, indeed
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    The end of the cycle in the mayan calendar matches the end of the Kali Yuga in hinduism. Our solar system orbits the vast central sun of the galaxy and the yuga cycles represent our ascent and descent to and from the central sun. This has huge consequences for all vibrational life on planet earth. As we move away from the light, our consciousness descends and we move in to the dark age, the kali yuga.

    2012 marks the furthest point away from the central galactic sun. Now we move back towards the light and towards a golden age in consciousness. We can see the changes already beginning to happen. We're living in the most peaceful time in recorded history. Racism, sexism etc etc is disintegrating. People are becoming more moral, more open minded and more open hearted. I believe the end of the mayan calendar was marking the end of the kali yuga.

    Just to add... It seems very obvious that the clearly negative force (from our perspective at least) in control here is very much aware of that and is trying to lock humanity in to technology and artificial intelligence before we break out of this matrix they already have us locked in. The matrix of belief that this world is solid and that science and outside forces govern existence, rather than the truth that our consciousness, our intentions, our beliefs govern this reality. We have full control to create whatever we want, but we've been brainwashed in to thinking we have no power.

    As ever, here, there is a battle of good and evil, light vs dark, yin and yang.

    Just as it should be
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    Quote Posted by AriG (here)
    Recently, I have begun “prepping”. I have sensed that something is happening, but in the world of fragmented attention, I have not been able to identify exactly what the “something” is.

    I used to laugh at doomsday preppers. I mean, seriously, the world has been blown to smithereens and you think your bunker and canned goods are going to protect you from nuclear winter and radiation poisoning?

    But my senses are different this time. Something feels as though it is happening. Therefore, I am irrationally hoarding canned and freeze dried food that we would never choose to eat under normal conditions. And I’ve been canning like a madwoman. In 90 degree plus temps. It’s as though I am not in control, as if something else is driving me.

    But...there is something to be said for accidentally manifesting an outcome. Might we collectively hasten the end by believing in its inevitability? Two days ago, my husband was reinstalling a fallen downspout. He needed panhead screws. he had one. he needed two. Not having a second, he opened a box of deck screws (Phillips head). He reached into the new box and pulled out one wood colored pan head screw. It freaked him out- he dumped out the rest of the box and every other screw was a Phillips head. He, during a time of logistic frustration, lamented the lack of a pan head screw and somehow, the universe handed him exactly what he needed when he needed it. He had goosebumps for the remainder of the day.

    So maybe the world will end if we think we require it. Or maybe it will heal if we require that. We just need to want it or need it enough to manifest it. Let’s just hope it’s the right screw (sarcasm aside).
    In my opinion it is INCREDIBLY likely that the earth will shake us off for being so out of alignment, like it has apparently done many, many times before. Obviously the great flood recorded by all traditions was the last time this happened.

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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    I fully agree with MorningFox, thats 2012 was the (galatic) inflection point (not year 2020), but its good to look the notes below

    one very insightfull work ( publish by Dane Rudhyar ) where all degrees of Zodiac was symbolized, the 1st degree of Aquarius means as follows:

    " the inherent power of all great human works to resist for a period longer than the lifetime of those who perform it."

    i think at this point of thread, the only data missing here, its the accurate zodiac sign and angle of Jupiter-Saturn conjunction at year 3124 BC to make a good analisys, in the sense of great question " What's does it Means ? " applicable here.

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    further Notes

    our star Sun orbits star Sirius (the fix North star - the most brightfull)

    star Sirius orbits Orion (Betelgeuse - Alpha Orionis)
    the word Central Sun, for our Sun and Sirius, normally means Orion, because
    Orion orbits the galactical center of Milk Way (where there are a big Black Hole).

    the Astrology symbolism we use, is the same used for Sun, Sirius and Orion
    and thats why these symbols transcend the Earth concerns, myths and legends

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    I remember here a polemic wise phrase (by Eliphas Levy)

    " beneath the veil of fables and symbols, It preserves for a world yet to come, the secrets of a world that has passed away. "
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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    I've updated the original post with more information regarding the "Antikythera Mechanism" and how such a device, or similar device, could have assisted the pre-Mayans in using a long-count calendar based on astronomical events rather than a fixed count of days.

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    Default Re: A New Look at the Mayan Calendar End Date - December 21, 2020

    Hi marielle, that's nice see you still working on this subject. I would tell you Don't worry much about the updates ...

    (1) the relative "planets positions" - If you see in Helio-Centric mode, the planets always go ahead, each one in it's orbit, but if you see based in Geo-Centric mode, only the Sun and Moon always go forward. The others planets, according their orbits, sometimes stay on oposite side of Sun, and seen from the Earth, they seem to go backwards. These conditions are called Retrogade. So, the conjuction Jupiter-Saturn, beyond be by slow moves, there are retrogades moves involved. As the case may be, the conjunction may even happen twice, on two dates. But the issue here focus the conjunction ON Solstice under Geo-Centric point of view (moving forward at 0-Aqu-27')

    only for reference, Jupiter and Saturn approximation have been influencing many things since March-April this year, and will continue until 2021. Interestingly, they start doing this under the sign of Capricorn, (ruled by Satun) and finish at the beginning of Aquarius, which is most friendlier to Jupiter.

    (2) the Antikythera Mech it's really a facinating tool. I bet 2 cents its atlantean heritage, like the Piri Reis world wide map. Of course, mayans have accurate ways to measure times, that would be surprising if you didn't take into account, they had access to extra physical resources, ie, tools (like antikythera mechs). Or Maybe ETs, Gods, who knows ? the Egyptians also had atlanteans influences, as well a knowledge that always has challenged scientists.

    but thinking in a constructive way, I ask if you want to find out:

    (a) "what mayans found out on 3114 BC and 2020 AC ?" , or
    (b) "how the mayans found out this two events ?"

    You can perfectly do both, but keep in mind that they are essentially different.
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