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    Default Empire Files: “United States” to Imperial America: Our Hidden Empire

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    The global expanse of US military bases is well-known; but it's actual territorial empire is largely hidden. The true map of America is not taught in our schools.

    Abby Martin interviews history Professor Daniel Immerwahr about his new book, 'How To Hide An Empire,' where he documents the story of our "Greater United States."

    FOLLOW // Daniel Immerwahr @dimmerwahr



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    Default Re: Empire Files: “United States” to Imperial America: Our Hidden Empire

    The diff about UK, where "one Crown" submission of citizens is a inalienable fact,
    USA are submited to "one White House ocuppant", that seems like a shared throne.

    USA is more disguised, but both are empires ... maybe one disguised in two ...

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    Default Re: Empire Files: “United States” to Imperial America: Our Hidden Empire

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    The diff about UK, where "one Crown" submission of citizens is a inalienable fact,
    USA are submited to "one White House ocuppant", that seems like a shared throne.
    Well, yes, technically the USA doesn't have a president but an elected king, because the president has the legal power to suspend the constitution, and thus also to suspend elections.

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    USA is more disguised, but both are empires ... maybe one disguised in two ...
    That has indeed also been posited already, and given the influence of international bankers and multinational industries, that is even very likely to be true.

    But then the question remains, who controls who? From the military point of view, the USA certainly controls the UK ─ as well as most other NATO countries, because this is what NATO was really created for. But some say that financially it would be the UK that controls the USA. I don't know to what extent that would be true. I either way doubt that Elizabeth II would hold much sway over the US.

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    Default Re: Empire Files: “United States” to Imperial America: Our Hidden Empire

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    But then the question remains, who controls who?
    I have a start point to reach the question:

    The Big Four -- State Street Corporation, Vanguard Group, BlackRock and FMR (Fidelity)

    These ‘Big Four’ Companies Control the World, Yet You’ve Probably Never Heard of Them

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    https://steemit.com/news/@sione/thes...-heard-of-them

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    Default Re: Empire Files: “United States” to Imperial America: Our Hidden Empire

    Thanks Aragorn

    I shall certainly be listening to this later today - it's good to see Abby Martin finally tackling this.

    In the meantime.......

    ________________________________________

    From: After Dark - Out of Bounds - Tony Benn; Democracy vs Secrecy [1989] - duration: 2 hours 38 minutes.

    05:48 (Tony Benn)
    “…the crucial question is a constitutional question. What we are discussing is the relationship between the government and governed. And the present government have said that you owe a lifelong obligation of confidentiality to the Crown.

    Who is the Crown? Did the Queen tell Peter Wright to get rid of Wilson [Harold]? No.Did Wilson who was her first [prime] minister tell Peter Wright to get rid of him? No.

    The Crown is a concrete emplacement, a state within a state, surrounded by barbed-wire, which is always in power….”
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    Listen to/view: Tony_Benn_Democracy_vs_Secrecy_After_Dark_Out_of_B ounds_1989.mp4
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    Related thread: "Out of Bounds" | After Dark - Channel 4 TV broadcast (May 1989) - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ast--May-1989-



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    Related thread: "The Crown" | A brief overview
    Posts 10 -15 on this thread are particularly informative and provide a wealth of background. Start here

    The British East India Company flag. Note its inspiration (sic) behind the USA Inc. flag design

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    Default Re: Empire Files: “United States” to Imperial America: Our Hidden Empire

    This reminds me of a paper I recently read about the first empire, the Assyrian empire and it's control over its markets via currency, taxes, garrison towns and outposts. All this time later and the story is still much the same with the Petro-Dollar, territorial claims, weapons sales to allied countries and controlled conflicts, aka the business of war... N

    As the empire was expanding geographically, a matter of utmost importance for the Assyrians was to control the commercial routes and their intersections through which trade was conducted in the entire Near East. All trading routes within their realm had to be controlled and regulated and all trading routes outside their territory had to be directed through Assyria, otherwise they had to be blocked and destroyed. - Andreas P. Parpas - THE NEO ASSYRIAN STATE CONTROLLED ECONOMY

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    Default Re: Empire Files: “United States” to Imperial America: Our Hidden Empire

    It is hard to imagine the influence 800 military bases in foreign countries affords the United States. While all other countries combined can boast only 30!

    Immediately after the Second World War, and into the fifties and early sixties, there was much talk of the States being the policemen of the world. But after meddling in the affairs of many sovereign nations and the fumbling and embarrassing losses of war after war, it became more and more apparent that America was more than just a police force - it was an empire and not truly mindful of the indigenous peoples at all. Instead it was juggling a tarnished reputation, the apolitical will of American Capitalists, global currency hegemony, inconsistent foreign policy, and over-powering force to serve vested interests.

    And because of the buzz words of the current era the influence of 'white' privilege is also mentioned as a motivator and a force that determined the affluence of future generations and helped shape the map of America today, with all of its territories and holdings throughout the world.

    Very good vid, thanks.
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    Quote Posted by Nasu (here)

    This reminds me of a paper I recently read about the first empire, the Assyrian empire and it's control over its markets via currency, taxes, garrison towns and outposts. All this time later and the story is still much the same with the Petro-Dollar, territorial claims, weapons sales to allied countries and controlled conflicts, aka the business of war... N

    ... ...

    THE NEO ASSYRIAN STATE CONTROLLED ECONOMY
    Hi Nasu, my greater Avalon friend

    I endorse this "relative great true" as a part/piece of the big puzzle ... this part are related to the (money-bankers-financial) game which serves the Emperor's families (bloodlines?) of the Word we live. But its a part, its not all the picture builded and used by the (supposed) Empires. You can think as a kind of service to get, concentrate and sustain Empire's wealth, over the resources-places they conquer and control.

    I think It are more commonly called-knowed by " Babylon Bank System " and this name refers to the Babel Tower Myth, that unconsciously reflets a great (human?) arrogant tower, that results in a Word where nations people was (supposedly) punished to not understanding well each other, by splitting the languages places-cultures in several forms of combined symbols and vocables (sounded and writed), to Divide and Conquer humanity more easily, indeed, culturally.

    Unfortunately for common herd-people, only few high bankers know the real Bank Game Service, that almost use symbol numbers and few vocables, to communicate within each other around the word, using their exclusive Money Languages, avoiding all the others diverse and adverse native comunication languages there exists, to smartly hidden what bank-services really do for the Empires-Emperors, and of course, for bankers major interests.

    That way, ones allways can win the Wealth Game, or if not, if they found hindrances to win, they subtly change the financial system flux exchanges to sustain their advanced vantages, before opponents can be noticed or self defended about the spoliation maneuver.

    Concluding my narrative, the relative true endorsed above, means that first Empire was Egypt, where numbers and basic calculations (as we know) was invented, beside Moral and Spiritual Dogmas too. Then, the second Assyrian-Babylonyan Empire was brilhant mathematicians, like Games Inventors today, and thats is my grounded review about the info quoted.
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