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    Quote Posted by Andre (here)
    But I also admit, I don't have a clue what can be done about it.
    Get all the thousands of chemtrail believers to organise themselves and:

    • Get a sample for independent analysis
    • Find where it's being made
    • Confirm if it's sprayed from special aircraft, and if so taking off/landing/maintained where?
    • If it's commercial jets find how it's getting into the fuel distribution network without the chain of fuel analysis detecting it.

    That should do for starters. Not sure why it's taking so long...
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    Quote ... I do understand the differences between contrails at height and blooms of dissipating particle trails in hot hot skies at much lower altitudes.
    Carmody, thank you for making the distinction.

    Now, where does one go to rent a silent aerosol sprayer?

    Were the large, accompanying jets also silent?
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    On this subject, here's one of the images that (metaphorically!) keeps me awake at night.

    It was taken, with a good camera, by an ex-military guy over Vail, Colorado, I believe (from memory) about 12 years ago.

    So what is this thing?!


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    Quote Posted by Andre (here)

    I find it hard to believe that a member of this forum would initiate a thread by quoting wikipedia, metabunk and those other sources of disinformation.
    Rather than just casually dismiss data from a website you don't trust, how about thoughtfully deconstructing each point and showing us why it's wrong?

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    Quote Posted by Andre (here)
    But I also admit, I don't have a clue what can be done about it.
    Get all the thousands of chemtrail believers to organise themselves and:

    • Get a sample for independent analysis
    • Find where it's being made
    • Confirm if it's sprayed from special aircraft, and if so taking off/landing/maintained where?
    • If it's commercial jets find how it's getting into the fuel distribution network without the chain of fuel analysis detecting it.

    That should do for starters. Not sure why it's taking so long...
    I tend to believe this conspiracy theory, but would dearly love to confirm it with a frank discussion with an air traffic controller
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    Andre:


    Quote This line of argument would be one used by a troll
    Oh, does it now? Did you come-up with that seed of wisdom yourself?



    Quote With all due respect, I find your arguments to lack critical thinking and appear (at least to me) to be based on somewhat shallow thinking. I can't tell if that is intentional or not.

    Please, please, oh wise one, put this non-critically-thinking Troll out of his misery........... What is going on in our skies then?


    Andre, you're an absolute Salad lad.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    On this subject, here's one of the images that (metaphorically!) keeps me awake at night.

    It was taken, with a good camera, by an ex-military guy over Vail, Colorado, I believe (from memory) about 12 years ago.

    So what is this thing?!

    Dear Bill,
    I saw your images somewhere else on Avalon,but I didn't comment it and perhaps now is the time to do this and I'll be as short and explicit as I can.

    1-From your first image it can be clearly see how the trail is longitudinal divided in three parts.From the second image the trail is not exhausted but somehow eliminated and immediately created in a cylindrical form behind the object.
    2-In 2015 or 2016 I saw a white craft having a accolade form exactly like that used in math problems/exercises flying from NV to SE.That craft left behind it a very tangled curled moving white trail no longer than craft's width (about 3 cm as I saw it on the clear blue sky).My wife didn't see it even if it was right above our heads.The sighting didn't last more than 2-3 minutes since the moment I saw it and the craft disappeared from the sky together with its trail.

    What these special trails are,I don't have a clue and I can only presume that are used for an unknown purpose both for humans/planet and non human DNA entities.In any case,things are happening and in my and my wife case are happening in a good/benevolent way.
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    If an airplane releasing a chemtrail is not registered on the live flight tracker (flightradar24), and if you take a photo of it, there would be a great chance that, upon a closer inspection, the “plane” would look like this:









    ...it seems that different parties have been involved in the project?!

    ..

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    Is not it interesting, that we have similar dynamics with UFOs and chemtrails, when it is about the explanation of that ‘phenomena’:

    1. “They do not exist”.

    2. “OK, they do exist but they are here for our own good”.

    3. Here we have various conspiracy theories, where, when the chemtrails are in question, probably the worse one would be this: - as the main ingredient of chemtrails is the nano-crystal, BaSrTiO3 (Barium-Strontium-Titanate; as found out by some German scientists) which has the ability to modify, damage or destroy our DNA, when activated by certain frequencies (5G?!), this would make it an ideal agent for a controlled depopulation of the planet, under a cover of a “dangerous virus” (pandemic) or radiation poisoning. By now, most of us would have those nano-crystals in our bodies. Short and good, when activated by certain frequencies in certain areas, those nano-crystals would cause a huge number of people dying and they would be told by the authorities that it was due to something else.

    When connecting the dots, people need to ask the question, - why the authorities have been advertising the radiation as “something very dangerous”, while Galen Winsor was swallowing the radioactive substances in front of the audience, whenever he held his lectures, where he was saying that it was only - one of those big lies?



    Of course, in such a case, as a source of the radioactivity, we would be provided with a limited/controlled nuclear war, as well, which would seem to break out “spontaneously” or on the ground of some “rational” reason. (By now, we are very well conditioned by psychopaths from the positions of power, i.e. pathocracy, to rationalize all psychopathological activities taking place in this reality.) As one may expect, on such instances, the EL-ite/EL-ohim would be in their DUMBs, well insulated from the damaging frequencies. As implied by the Georgia Guidestones, 500 million people would be allowed to survive the event.

    Could there be a connection?

    And, strangely enough, I have not seen the mentioned nano-crystals seriously discussed anywhere?! People are talking about Barium, Strontium, Titanium, Aluminium etc. and their properties, per se, but not about the nano-crystals, which have some new and different properties, from the ingredients they were made from, by the process of jet-pyrolysis of the certain fuel additives, in the plane engines?!

    At the end, as we are, obviously, unable to discern what is, from - what is not, there is a great chance that this conspiracy theory belongs to - what is not!?

    ..
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    Just to add that, the William Bramley’s book, The Gods of Eden might be helpful in assessing the plausibility of the above conspiracy theory, as there some indications that the bio-chemical warfare was conducted against the humanity in the past, on several occasions. The “third party”, initiating and conducting the warfare, was always invisible or just partially visible to us, but unexplained, because they are also the ones who do “explaining” for us or the “control of the narrative”. This means that partial depopulations of this planet were carried out in the past, under the guise of some highly contagious disease outbreaks (beside various wars) and they might be carried out in the future, as well.

    Here are some excerpts from the book:

    Quote The Plaques of Justinian

    Between 540 A.D. and 592 A.D., when Justinian was carrying out his Christian "reforms," a bubonic plague engulfed the East Roman Empire and spread to Europe. The epidemic began inside Justinian's realm, and so it was named "Justinian's Plague." Justinian's Plague was one of the most devastating plagues of history and many people at the time believed it to be a punishment from God. In fact, the word "plague" comes from the Latin word for "blow" or "wound." Plague has been nicknamed "God's Disease," i.e., a blow or wound from God.

    One reason people thought plague to be from God was the frequent appearance of unusual aerial phenomena in conjunction with outbreaks of the plague. One chronicler of Justinian's Plague was the famous historian, Gregory of Tours, who documented a number of unusual events from the plague years. Gregory reports that just before Justinian's Plague invaded the Auvergne region of France in 567 A.D., three or four brilliant lights appeared around the sun and the heavens appeared to be on fire. This may have been a natural "sun dog" effect; however, other unusual celestial phenomena were also seen in the area. Another historian reported a similar event twenty-three years later in another part of France: Avignon. "Strange sights" were reported in the sky and the ground was sometimes as brightly illuminated at night as in the day. Shortly thereafter, a disastrous outbreak of the plague occurred there. Gregory reported a sighting in Rome consisting of an immense "dragon" which floated through the city and down to the sea, followed by a severe outbreak of the plague immediately thereafter.

    Such reports chillingly suggest the unthinkable: that Justinian's Plague was caused by biological warfare agents spread by Custodial aircraft. It would be a repetition of similar plagues reported in the Bible and ancient Mesopotamian texts. By the time of Justinian's Plague, however, the Custodians were "invisible." They were hidden behind Brotherhood secrecy and veils of religious myth, yet they were apparently no less concerned about keeping their slave race oppressed. We will see a great deal more evidence of UFO activity associated with plagues in the upcoming chapter on the Black Death. (pages 149-150).
    …and to save the effort, her is a large excerpt from the chapter on the Black Death, which would be an important read, in order to understand the connection between various “aerial phenomena” and dispersion of bio-chemical agents, carried out for depopulation and other purposes.


    Quote The Black Death

    The Black Death began in Asia and soon spread to Europe where it killed well over 25 million people (about one third of Europe's total population) in less than four years. Some historians put the casualty figure closer to 35 to 40 million people, or about half of all Europeans.

    The epidemic first spread through Europe between 1347 and 1350. The Bubonic Plague continued to strike Europe with decreasing fatality every ten to twenty years in shortlived outbreaks all the way up until the 1700's. Although it is difficult to calculate the total number of deaths from that 400-year period, it is believed that over 100 million people may have died from the Plague.

    Two types of plague are believed to have caused the Black Death. The first is the "bubonic" type, which was the most common. The bubonic form of plague is characterized by swellings of the lymph nodes; the swellings are called "buboes." The buboes are accompanied by vomiting, fever, and death within several days if not treated. This form of plague is not contagious between human beings: it requires an active carrier, such as a flea. For this reason, many historians believe that flea-infested rodents caused the Bubonic Plague. Rodents are known to carry the disease even today.

    A number of records from between 1347 and the late 1600's speak of rodent infestations prior to several outbreaks of the Black Death, lending credence to the rodent theory.

    The second form of plague contributing to the Black Death is a highly contagious type known as "pneumonic" plague. It is marked by shivering, rapid breathing, and the coughing up of blood. Body temperatures are high and death normally follows three to four days after the disease has been contracted. This second type of plague is nearly always fatal and transmits best in cold weather and in poor ventilation.

    Some physicians today believe it was this second form, the "pneumonic" plague, which was responsible for most of the casualties of the Black Death because of the crowding and poor hygienic conditions then prevalent in Europe.

    We would normally shake our heads at this tragic period of human history and be thankful that modern medicine has developed cures for these dread diseases. However, troubling enigmas about the Black Death still linger. Many outbreaks occurred in summer during warm weather in uncrowded regions. Not all outbreaks of bubonic plague were preceded by rodent infestation; in fact, only a minority of cases seemed to be related to an increase in the presence of vermin. The greatest puzzle about the Black Death is how it was able to strike isolated human populations which had no contact with earlier infected areas. The epidemics also tended to end abruptly.

    To solve these puzzles, an historian would normally look to records from the Plague years to see what people were reporting. When he does so, he encounters stories so stunning and unbelievable that he is likely to reject them as the fantasies and superstitions of badly frightened minds.

    A great many people throughout Europe and other Plaguestricken regions of the world were reporting that outbreaks of the Plague were caused by foul-smelling "mists." Those mists frequently appeared after unusually bright lights in the sky. The historian quickly discovers that "mists" and bright lights were reported far more frequently and in many more locations than were rodent infestations. The Plague years were, in fact, a period of heavy UFO activity.

    What; then, were the mysterious mists?

    There is another very important way in which plague germs can be transmitted: through germ weapons. The United States and the Soviet Union today have stockpiles of biological weapons containing bubonic plague and other epidemic diseases. The germs are kept alive in cannisters which spray the diseases into the air on thick, often visible, artificial mists. Anyone breathing in the mist will inhale the disease. There are enough such germ weapons today to wipe out a good portion of humanity. Reports of identical disease-inducing mists from the Plague years strongly suggest that the Black Death was caused by germ warfare.

    Let us take a look at the incredible reports which lead to that conclusion.

    The first outbreak of the Plague in Europe followed an unusual series of events. Between 1298 and 1314, seven large "comets" were seen over Europe; one was of "aweinspiring blackness."1 One year before the first outbreak of the epidemic in Europe, a "column of fire" was reported over the Pope's* palace at Avignon, France. Earlier that year, a "ball of fire" was observed over Paris; it reportedly remained visible to observers for some time. To the people of Europe, these sightings were considered omens of the Plague which soon followed.

    It is true that some reported "comets" were probably just that: comets. Some may also have been small meteors or fireballs (large blazing meteors). Centuries ago, people were generally far more superstitious than they are today and so natural meteors and similar prosaic phenomena were often reported as precursors to later disasters even though there was no real-life connection. On the other hand, it is important to note that almost any unusual object in the sky was called a "comet." A good example is found in a bestselling book published in 1557: A Chronicle of Prodigies and Portents . . .** by Conrad Lycosthenes. On page 494 of Lycosthenes' book we read of a "comet" observed in the year 1479: "A comet was seen in Arabia in the manner of a sharply pointed wooden beam ..." The accompanying illustration, which was based on eyewitness descriptions, shows what clearly looks like the front half of a rocketship among some clouds. The object appears to have many portholes. Today we would call the object a UFO, not a comet. This leads us to wonder how many other ancient "comets" were actually similar rocketlike objects.

    When we are confronted with-an old report of a comet, we therefore do not really know what kind of thing we are dealing with unless there is a fuller description. A report of a sudden increase in "comets" or similar celestial phenomena may, in fact, mean an increase in UFO activity.

    The link between unusual aerial phenomena and the Black Death was established immediately during the first outbreaks of the Plague in Asia. As one historian tells us:

    The first reports [of the Plague] came out of the East. They were confused, exaggerated, frightening, as reports from that quarter of the world so often are: descriptions of storms and earthquakes: of meteors and comets trailing noxious gases that killed trees and destroyed the fertility of the land....

    The above passage indicates that strange flying objects were doing more than just spreading disease: they were also apparently spraying chemical or biological defoliants from the air. The above passage echoes the ancient Mesopotamian tablets which described defoliation of the landscape by ancient Custodial "gods." Many human casualties from the Black Death may have been caused by such defoliants.

    The connection between aerial phenomena and plague had begun centuries before the Black Death. We saw examples in our earlier discussion of Justinian's Plague. We read from another source about a large plague that had reportedly broken out in the year 1117—almost 250 years before the Black Death. That plague was also preceded by unusual celestial phenomena:

    In 1117, in January, a comet passed like a fiery army from the North towards the Orient, the moon was overcast blood-red in an eclipse, a year later a light appeared more brilliant than the sun. This was followed by great cold, famine, and plague, of which one-third of humanity is said to have perished.*3

    Once the medieval Black Death got started, noteworthy aerial phenomena continued to accompany the dread epidemic.

    Reports of many of these phenomena were assembled by Johannes Nohl and published in his book, The Black Death, A Chronicle of the Plague (1926). According to Mr. Nohl, at least 26 "comets" were reported between 1500 and 1543. Fifteen or sixteen were seen between 1556 and 1597.
    In the year 1618, eight or nine were observed. Mr. Nohl emphasizes the connection which people perceived between the "comets" and subsequent epidemics:

    In the year 1606 a comet was seen, after which a general plague traversed the world. In 1582 a comet brought so violent a plague upon Majo, Prague, Thuringia, the Netherlands, and other places that in Thuringia it carried off 37,000 and in the Netherlands 46,415.4

    From Vienna, Austria, we get the following description of an event which happened in 1568. Here we see a connection between an outbreak of Plague and an object described in a manner remarkably similar to a modern cigar or beamshaped UFO:

    When in sun and moonlight a beautiful rainbow and a fiery beam were seen hovering above the church of St. Stephanie, which was followed by a violent epidemic in Austria, Swabia, Augsberg, Wuertemberg, Nuremburg, and other places, carrying off human beings and cattle.5

    Sightings of unusual aerial phenomena usually occurred from several minutes to a year before an outbreak of Plague.

    Where there was a gap between such a sighting and the arrival of the Plague, a second phenomenon was sometimes reported: the appearance of frightening humanlike figures dressed in black. Those figures were often seen on the outskirts of a town or village and their presence would signal the outbreak of an epidemic almost immediately. A summary written in 1682 tells of one such visit a century earlier:

    In Brandenburg [in Germany] there appeared in 1559 horrible men, of whom at first fifteen and later on twelve were seen. The foremost had beside their posteriors little heads, the others fearful faces and long scythes, with which they cut at the oats, so that the swish could be heard at a great distance, but the oats remained standing. When a quantity of people came running out to see them, they went on with their mowing.6

    The visit of the strange men to the oat fields was followed immediately by a severe outbreak of the Plague in Brandenburg.

    This incident raises intriguing questions: who were the mysterious figures? What were the long scythe-like instruments they held that emitted a loud swishing sound? It appears that the "scythes" may have been long instruments designed to spray poison or germ-laden gas. This would mean that the townspeople misinterpreted the movement of the "scythes" as an attempt to cut oats when, in fact, the movements were the act of spraying aerosols on the town.

    Similar men dressed in black were reported in Hungary:. . . in the year of Christ 1571 was seen at Cremnitz in the mountain towns of Hungary on Ascension Day in the evening to the great perturbation [disturbance] of all, when on the Schuelersberg there appeared so many black riders that the opinion was prevalent that the Turks were making a secret raid, but who rapidly disappeared again, and thereupon a raging plague broke out in the neighborhood.7

    Strange men dressed in black, "demons," and other terrifying figures were observed in other European communities.

    The frightening creatures were often observed carrying long "brooms," "scythes," or "swords" that were used to "sweep" or "knock at" the doors of people's homes. The inhabitants of those homes fell ill with plague afterwards. It is from these reports that people created the popular image of "Death" as a skeleton or demon carrying a scythe. The scythe came to symbolize the act of Death mowing down people like stalks of grain. In looking at this haunting image of death, we may, in fact, be staring into the face of the UFO.

    Of all the phenomena connected to the Black Death, by far the most frequently reported were the strange, noxious "mists." The vapors were often observed even when the other phenomena were not. Mr. Nohl points out that moist pestilential fogs were "a feature which preceded the epidemic throughout its whole course."8 A great many physicians of the time took it for granted that the strange mists caused the Plague. This connection was established at the very beginning of the Black Death, as Mr. Nohl tells us:

    The origin of the plague lay in China, there it is said to have commenced to rage already in the year 1333, after a terrible mist emitting a fearful stench and infecting the air.9

    Another account stresses that the Plague did not spread from person to person, but was contracted by breathing the deadly stinking air:

    During the whole of the year 1382 there was no wind, in consequence of which the air grew putrid, so that an epidemic broke out, and the plague did not pass from one man to another, but everyone who was killed by it got it straight from the air.10

    Reports of deadly "mists" and "pestilential fogs" came from all Plague-infested parts of the world:

    A Prague chronicle describes the epidemic in China, India and Persia; and the Florentine historian Matteo Villani, who took up the work of his brother Giovanni after he had died of the plague in Florence, relays the account of earthquakes and pestilential fogs from a traveller in Asia;.. 11

    The same historian continues: A similar incident of earthquake and pestilential fog was reported from Cyprus, and it was believed that the wind had been so poisonous that men were struck down and died from it.12

    He adds: German accounts speak of a heavy vile-smelling mist which advanced from the East and spread itself over Italy.13

    That author states that in other countries:... people were convinced that they could contract the disease from the stench, or even, as is sometimes described, actually see the plague coming through the streets as a pale fog.14

    He summarizes, rather dramatically: The earth itself seemed in a state of convulsion, shuddering and spitting, putting forth heavy poisonous winds that destroyed animals and plants and called swarms of insects to life to complete the destruction.15

    Similar happenings are echoed by other writers. A journal from 1680 reported this odd incident:

    That between Eisenberg and Dornberg thirty funeral biers [casket stands] all covered with black cloth were seen in broad daylight, among them on a bier a blackman was standing with a white cross. When these had disappeared a great heat set in so that the people in this place could hardly stand it. But when the sun had set they perceived so sweet a perfume as if they were in a garden of roses. By this time they were all plunged in perturbation. Whereupon the epidemic set in in Thuringia in many places.16

    Further south, in Vienna: plague, and of these, indeed, several were observed last autumn.17

    Direct from the plague-ravaged town of Eisleben, we get this amusing and perhaps exaggerated newspaper account published on September 1, 1682:

    In the cemetary of Eisleben on the 6th inst. [?] at night the following incident was noticed: When during the night the gravediggers were hard at work digging trenches, for on many days between eighty and ninety have died, they suddenly observed that the cemetary church, more especially the pulpit, was lighted up by bright sunshine. But on their going up to it so deep a darkness and black, thick fog came over the graveyard that they could hardly see one another, and which they took to be an evil omen. Thus day and night gruesome evil spirits are seen frightening the people, goblins grinning at them and pelting them, but also many white ghosts and spectres .. .18

    The same newspaper story later adds: When Magister Hardte expired in his agony a blue smoke was seen to rise from his throat, and this in the presence of the dean; the same has been observed in the case of others expiring. In the same manner blue smoke has been observed to rise from the gables of
    houses at Eisleben all the inhabitants of which have died. In the church of St. Peter blue smoke has been observed high up near the ceiling; on this account the church is shunned, particularly as the parish has been exterminated.19

    The "mists" or Plague poisons were thick enough to mix with normal air moisture and become part of the morning dew. People were warned to take the following precautions:

    If newly baked bread is placed for the night at the end of a pole and in the morning is found to be mildewed and internally grown green, yellow and uneatable, and when thrown to fowls and dogs causes them to die from eating it, in a similar manner if fowls drink the morning dew and die in consequence, then the plague poison is near at hand.20

    As noted earlier, lethal "mists" were directly associated with bright moving lights in the sky. Other sources for the stenches were also reported. For example, Forestus Alcmarianos wrote of a monstrous "whale" he had encountered which was:

    28 ells [105 feet] in length and 14 ells [33 feet] broad which, coming from the western sea, was thrown upon the shore of Egemont by great waves and was unable to reach the open again; it produced so great a foulness and malignity of the air that very soon a great epidemic broke out in Egemont and neighborhood.21

    It is a shame that Mr. Alcmarianos did not provide a more detailed description of the deadly whale because it may have been a craft similar to modern UFOs which have been observed entering and leaving bodies of water. On the other hand, Mr. Alcmarianos' whale may have been just that: a dead rotting whale which happened to wash up on shore just before a nearby outbreak of the Plague.

    It is significant that foul mists and bad air were blamed for many other epidemics in history. During a plague in ancient Rome, the famous physician Hippocrates (ca. 460-337 B.C.) stated that the disease was caused by body disturbances brought on by changes in the atmosphere. To remedy this, Hippocrates had people build large public bonfires. He believed that large fires would set the air aright. Hippocrates' advice was followed centuries later by physicians during the medieval Plague.
    Modern doctors take a dim view of Hippocrates' advice on this matter, however, in the belief that Hippocrates was ignorant about the true causes of plague. In reality, huge outdoor bonfires were the only conceivable defense against the Plague if it was indeed caused by germ-saturated aerosols.

    Vaccines to combat the Plague had not been invented and so the people's only hope was to burn away the deadly "mists" with fire. Hippocrates and those who followed his advice may have actually saved some lives.

    Significantly, bubonic and pneumonic plagues were not the only infectious diseases in history to be spread on strange lethal fogs. The deadly intestinal disease, cholera, was another:

    When cholera broke out on board Her Majesty's ship Britannia in the Black Sea in 1854, several officers and men asserted positively that, immediately prior to the outbreak, a curious dark mist swept up from the sea and passed over the ship. The mist had barely cleared the vessel when the first case of disease was announced.22

    Blue mists were also reported in connection with the cholera outbreaks of 1832 and 1848-1849 in England.

    As mentioned earlier, plagues had a very strong religious significance. In the Bible, plagues were said to be Jehovah's method of punishing people for evil. "Omens" preceding outbreaks of the Black Death resembled many of the "omens" reported in the Bible:

    Men confronted with the terror of the Black Death were impressed by the chain of events leading up to the final plague, and accounts of the coming of the 14th-century pestilence selected from among all the ominous events that must have occurred in the years preceding the outbreak of 1348 those which closely resemble the ten plagues of Pharoah: disruptions in the atmosphere, storms, unusual invasions of insects, celestial phenomena.23

    In addition, the Bubonic form of plague was very similar, if not identical, to some of the punishments inflicted by "God" in the Old Testament:

    But the hand of the Lord was heavy upon the people
    of Ashdod [a Philistine city], and he destroyed them,
    and killed them with emerods [painful swellings].

    1 SAMUEL 5:6

    ... the hand of the Lord was against the city [Gath,
    another Philistine city] with a very great destruction:
    and he killed the men of the city, both young and old,
    and they had emerods in their secret parts.

    1 SAMUEL 5:9

    ... there was a deadly destruction throughout all the
    city; the hand of God was very heavy there.
    And the men that survived were afflicted with the
    emerods: and the crying of the city went up to heaven.

    1 SAMUEL 5:11-12

    The religious aspect of the medieval Black Death was enhanced by reports of thundering sounds in connection with outbreaks of the Plague. The sounds were similar to those described in the Bible as accompanying the appearance of Jehovah. Interestingly, they are also sounds common to some UFO sightings:

    During the plague of 1565 in Italy rumblings of thunder were heard day and night, as in a war, together with the turmoil and noise as of a mighty army. In Germany in many places a noise was heard as if a hearse were passing through the streets of its own accord...24

    Similar noises accompanied strange aerial phenomena in remarkable Plague-related sightings from England. The object described in the quote below remained visible for over a week and does appear to be a true comet or planet (such as Venus); however, some of the other objects can only be labeled "unidentified." Historian Walter George Bell, drawing on writings from the period, summarized:

    Late into dark December nights of the year 1664 London citizens sat up to watch a new blazing star, with "mighty talk" thereupon. King Charles II and his Queen gazed out of the windows at Whitehall. About east it rose, reaching no great altitude, and sank below the south-west horizon between two and three o'clock. In a week or two it was gone, then letters came from Vienna notifying the like sight of a brilliant comet, and "in the ayr [air] the appearance of a Coffin, which causes great anxiety of thought amongst the people."

    Erfurt saw with it other terrible apparitions, and listeners detected noises in the air, as of fires, and sounds of cannon and musket-shot. The report ran that one night in the February following hundreds of persons had seen flames of fire for an hour together, which seemed to be thrown from Whitehall to St. James and then back again to Whitehall, whereafter they disappeared.

    In March there came into the heavens a yet brighter comet visible two hours after midnight, and so continuing till daylight. With such ominous portents the Great Plague in London was ushered in.25

    Other less frequent "omens" were also reported in connection with the Black Death. Some of those phenomena were obvious fictions. Significantly, the fictions were not widespread and were rarely reported outside of the communities in which they originated.

    The preceding quotes provide evidence that UFOs (i.e. the Custodial society) have bombarded the human race with deadly diseases. This evidence is particularly intriguing when we consider claims made by a number of modern UFO contactees who say that they are relaying messages to mankind from the UFO society. Some of them claim that UFOs are here to help mankind and that UFOs will eradicate disease on Earth. The UFO civilization reportedly has no disease. If the Custodial civilization is indeed so healthy, perhaps it is only because it is not bombarding itself with germ weapons. If UFOs truly intended to bring health to the human race, maybe all they needed to do was to stop spraying infectious biological agents into the air.

    The Black Death not only killed a great many people, it also caused deep psychological and social wounds. People in the past were convinced that the epidemics were God's punishment for sin, and this caused deep introversion. It was natural for people to accuse themselves and their neighbors of wickedness and to wonder what they had done to "deserve" their punishment. It rarely occurred
    to the victims that plagues, even if deliberately inflicted, had nothing to do with trying to make human beings more virtuous. After all, the social and psychological effects of the Plague produced the opposite result. The misery and despair generated by the massive death tolls brought about widespread ethical decay. In a dying environment, many people will no longer care about whether their actions are right or wrong; they are going to die anyway. In the fearful climate of the medieval Plague, spiritual values noticably declined and mental aberration sharply increased.
    The same results are observed during war. Although the Bible and other religious works may preach that plagues and wars are created by "God" to ultimately make the human race more virtuous and spiritually advanced, the effect is always the opposite.(…); pages 180-193)
    At the end, there is another “phenomenon” which may need an urgent contemplation and that is – how come that after ages of being exposed to this sort of the manipulation, we are still unable to perceive it and to understand it, let alone doing something meaningful about that?! And, yet, one can see that the same principles have been applied then and now. Is there a possibility that we have been programmed to think and behave, as we do? I guess that John Keel did not call us by a chance – “bio-chemical robots”, or Gurdjieff – “machines, unable to do anything consciously and indecently”, or Castaneda – “foreign installations”, or Carlo Collodi – “pinocchios”, or James Mahu – the “functional implants”…?! If we were real human beings, which means – humane, conscientious, awake and aware, nobody would be able to expose us to such a sort of manipulation. So, who or what we are? Is there a possibility to overcome this state of our unconsciousness and see the reality objectively, as it is, which would enable us to interact with it, in an optimal manner?

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    With the appearance of "Floating Dragons" and bright lights illuminating the nights as if daylight was on... comets, meteoroids and bolides along with their accompanying "dust particles" and "Panspermia" also comes to mind... so that, in the end, there is quite a "soup" of many ingredients that's hanging up there.
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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    My own provisional thoughts and questions:
    • The multiply-witnessed and photographed checkerboard patterns, not made by commercial aircraft, seem very hard to explain unless the intention was to achieve a certain result. ('Covering a specific area' seems to be pretty much it.)
    • Soil analyses showing high proportions of heavy metals (and how that's spiked in recent years), reported by several researchers, do seem to be very concerning and urgently needing an explanation.
    But:
    • I've never seen a single chemtrail here in Ecuador, in all of 8 years. If this is a global scenario, why do only some countries or regions seem to be targeted?
    Some of the checkerboards are simple artefacts of flight patterns. In very heavily travelled skies, where planes are flying in different directions it's not surprising that grid type patterns occur. And the skies have seen remarkably increased traffic. I'm more concerned about the pollution they generate.

    "The aviation industry has seen dramatic growth over the past 20 years, with passenger numbers rising from 1.467 billion in 1998 to 3.979 billion in 2017."


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisag.../#3f3414f2150f

    In North America, other than the Denver Colorado airport, no new major airports have been built, to my knowledge. Imagine the potential for pattern generation around these mega airport hubs.
    When I was studying the checker-boarded sky and comparing it with known commercial flight paths over western MA a few years ago, I couldn’t find a match. There are relatively few flights over that region. When I asked our state representative, Elizabeth Warren about the trails we were seeing, I got no response, twice. Then I posted about that on FB and boom within hours, there was a response from Warren. A stern ridiculing reprimand for harboring “dangerous thoughts.” I don’t know what all this means, just an anecdote.

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    Just a thought about chequerboard patterns.

    There wouldn't be much point spraying in a defined pattern at that altitude as it would soon spread and disperse. It's not as if it will have a defined effect like low-level crop spraying. So why do deliberate chequerboard 'spraying' over a defined area?

    If spraying is happening (and where's it all being made, transported and by whom?) it can be done anywhere as all the chemicals will spread for thousands of miles before falling and being rained out. Why not do it over the sea where hardly anyone will notice?

    Surely a more plausible reason for the grid (and has anyone actually seen planes toing and froing forming a deliberate grid?) would be for some sort of civilian or military surveying.

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    I really didn't buy into it until I read a Q post or maybe a tweet but whatever it was it said president Trump stopped chemtrails. I thought oh yeah right! But honestly I haven't seen them over OK like before and it was bad before. In fact I haven't seen any since reading that to be perfectly honest and for what it is worth my wife was having severe problems with arthritis like swollen joints, red and they ached her terribly in her hands and knuckles. It began to deform her right hand some and she is right handed yet each test said she didn't have this and didn't have this either and no it's not that it must be Osteo and back and forth and then I read that about Trump, haven't seen any since and now my wife's hands are not red or swollen anymore, they are getting better looking everyday that goes by and she is doing needle work and bead work again! So you tell me. Is it just my imagination or does anyone else know of this because she didn't take anything? The doctors didn't help they just billed her.
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    I could look it up, but I am confident about the facts to recount from memory.

    Certain particulates remain in the upper atmosphere for many years before falling back to earth. So if these aerosols being sprayed are of that type, then once a certain load is dumped into the stratosphere and higher, they can remain in suitable concentrations without additional loading...that might be why there seems to be less spraying.

    Like the cancers that followed in the seventies, after all the nuclear bomb testing in the fifties and sixties (when the radioactive particulates began falling back to earth), chemtrails might be reaching the active level of concentrations that were perhaps the reason for the spraying to start with.

    I place this here because although this thread is about not supporting the chemtrail evidence, it seems to be about the opposite, proving or testing the rationale of chemtrails in general. This seems to be the most plausible scenario: ensuring a certain concentration of metal ions in the troposphere...
    Forget about it

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    I could look it up, but I am confident about the facts to recount from memory.

    Certain particulates remain in the upper atmosphere for many years before falling back to earth. So if these aerosols being sprayed are of that type, then once a certain load is dumped into the stratosphere and higher, they can remain in suitable concentrations without additional loading...that might be why there seems to be less spraying.

    Like the cancers that followed in the seventies, after all the nuclear bomb testing in the fifties and sixties (when the radioactive particulates began falling back to earth), chemtrails might be reaching the active level of concentrations that were perhaps the reason for the spraying to start with.

    I place this here because although this thread is about not supporting the chemtrail evidence, it seems to be about the opposite, proving or testing the rationale of chemtrails in general. This seems to be the most plausible scenario: ensuring a certain concentration of metal ions in the troposphere...
    That still doesn't explain why they would spray in a chequerboard pattern.

    Sorry to be a bore, but could someone produce some real evidence and just stop messing about? To repeat a previous post:

    Quote Get all the thousands of chemtrail believers to organise themselves and:

    Get a sample for independent analysis
    Find where it's being made
    Confirm if it's sprayed from special aircraft, and if so taking off/landing/maintained where?
    If it's commercial jets find how it's getting into the fuel distribution network without the chain of fuel analysis detecting it.


    That should do for starters. Not sure why it's taking so long...
    Indeed, why is this basic research taking so long?

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    I understand what you require. Still, that documented effort is a long way off.

    Once the aircraft deposit the particulates, they still need to be moved higher. Checkerboard pattern would ensure the optimum penetration of a high energy beam, imparting the most energy possible into the particulate cloud. The higher energy would push them even higher up in the atmosphere, into the ionosphere...
    Forget about it

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    Quote Posted by xylo (here)
    ...Then I posted about that on FB and boom within hours, there was a response from Warren. A stern ridiculing reprimand for harboring “dangerous thoughts.” I don’t know what all this means, just an anecdote.
    I've often wondered, if "thought forms" have any kind of tangible substance we can detect. I mean, wouldn't it be funny if her accusation of "dangerous thoughts" turned out to be the literal source of the chemtrails? Then again, maybe there's no such thing as chemtrails or thoughtforms.

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    I understand what you require. Still, that documented effort is a long way off.

    Once the aircraft deposit the particulates, they still need to be moved higher. Checkerboard pattern would ensure the optimum penetration of a high energy beam, imparting the most energy possible into the particulate cloud. The higher energy would push them even higher up in the atmosphere, into the ionosphere...
    A "high energy beam" (presumably some sort of electromagnetic radiation) cannot be created without detection. Any particles affected by radio waves must be a proportion of a wavelength long, and even at microwaves this is a cm or two, so will soon float down to the ground. Dust-type particles must be very dense for radio waves to have any effect on them.

    Any beam strong enough to affect the weather would be so immensely powerful that all sorts of professional and amateur radio detecting equipment from ELF right up to microwaves would easily detect this, probably even saturating the measuring and detection equipment hundreds of miles away! (Radio signals 30dB below the noise are routinely detected by hobbyists these days.)

    Every time HAARP operates (whatever anyone suspects it's for) is easily detectable for thousands of miles, I've even listened on a standard SW radio in the UK to its 5 MHz signals from Alaska!

    In any case, radio energy does not affect the troposphere - we've had nearly 100 years to confirm that.

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    You know your stuff. As far as the size of particles goes, it is not the size but the electrical properties that count. If they are neutral then there will be no effect. But most compounds break down in the atmosphere into ions by the sun's rays and earth's magnetic field.

    Also, the spraying is an aerosol - a mixture of air with the compounds, for the express purpose of creating small particulates in the micron range.

    It may have been Haarp. But it also could be other things - like ELF, although now I'm reaching...or they could be propelled by natural electrical forces and induction that we don't yet understand.
    Forget about it

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