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    via the Washington Post:

    At least 20 dead in El Paso shopping center shooting as authorities investigate Texas man and manifesto


    EL PASO ó A gunman wielding an assault-style rifle killed 20 people and wounded 26 more Saturday at a busy Walmart and shopping center not far from the Mexican border, authorities said, in the latest mass shooting to shatter a community and shake the country.

    While investigations are ongoing into a motive, the attack ďhas a nexus to a hate crime,Ē El Paso Police Chief Greg Allen said. Authorities think the gunman posted a manifesto online listing ďthe Hispanic invasion of TexasĒ as one of several motivations for the massacre.
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    The attack, which started around 10:40 a.m. on a scorching Texas summer day, sent shoppers racing for cover in a chaotic but all-too-familiar scene of carnage that prompted a massive police and medical response.
    One official said the specific number of people killed and injured was subject to change, noting that some victims were in critical condition.
    Two law enforcement officials familiar with the inquiry, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation, identified the suspect as Patrick Crusius, a 21-year-old man from Allen, Tex., a suburb near Dallas. He surrendered to police near the shooting scene, authorities said.
    As the shooting quickly became a topic on the presidential campaign trail ó Democratic candidate Beto OíRourke of El Paso canceled events in Las Vegas to return home ó federal and local authorities were scrambling to identify a motive.
    One avenue of inquiry is a manifesto that includes remarks attacking immigrants and is sympathetic to a man charged with killing 51 people this year at two mosques in New Zealand, according to the two officials. Authorities think the Texas suspect posted the anti-immigrant diatribe but are still gathering evidence to prove it, according to law enforcement officials.

    Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard tweeted Saturday evening that six Mexicans had been wounded in the shooting in El Paso, including a 10-year-old girl. In Ciudad Juarez, just south of the U.S. border, government officials, business groups and others in the Mexican city released statements of solidarity and sympathy.
    In a statement issued Saturday evening, Attorney General William P. Barr said ďthose who commit such atrocities should be held accountable swiftly and to the fullest extent the law allows.Ē If investigators determine that Crusius did write the posting, he could be charged with violations of federal hate crimes laws.

    President Donald Trump made no public remarks after the shooting, instead offering his condolences via Twitter while he stayed at his Bedminster, New Jersey golf course. Trump tweeted that he had spoken to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) to ďpledge total support of Federal Government.Ē
    The president also tweeted that the attack ďwas not only tragic, it was an act of cowardice. I know that I stand with everyone in this Country to condemn todayís hateful act.Ē

    Abbott did not discuss the possibility that the shooting could be a hate crime at a news conference with political and law enforcement leaders in El Paso. He said the Legislature this year focused on preventing school shootings and found a common thread in mass shootings.
    ďI can tell you that perhaps the most profound and agreed upon issue that came out of all of those hearings was the need for the state and for society to do a better job of dealing with challenging mental health based issues,Ē he said.
    But Rep. Veronica Escobar, a Democrat who represents El Paso in Congress, said the manifesto tied to the alleged shooter suggested that hate and anti-immigrant sentiment was the driving force behind the killings.

    ďThe manifesto narrative is fueled by hate. And itís fueled by racism and bigotry and division,Ē she said.

    New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern offered condolences, while noting no definitive links have been found yet between Saturdayís attack and the Christchurch massacre. ďI know no one in New Zealand would want the terrorist act that occurred here to inspire anything other than a sense of unity against acts of hatred, violence and terrorism,Ē she said in statement to The Post.

    The shooting in El Paso was the deadliest American mass shooting since November 2017, when a gunman killed 26 people in a church in Sutherland Springs, Tex. It comes just days after a gunman opened fire at a garlic festival in California, killing three and wounding 12 others. One of those killed in Gilroy was a 6-year-old boy.

    The scene of the most recent carnage ó a Walmart and an adjacent shopping center in a state allowing open carry of firearms ó is likely to become important symbolically in the debate over gun control. Walmart is one of the largest gun retailers in the world and has been under pressure to curtail firearms sales.
    Last year, the store announced that it was changing the minimum age required to buy a firearm or ammunition at Walmart from 18 to 21 ďin light of recent events,Ē according to a statement by the company. The decision came two weeks after the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., that left 17 people dead.

    The suspect in Saturdayís shooting sounds very much like past shooters ó quiet, antisocial and a bit ďstrange,Ē according to people who grew up with him in Plano, Tex.

    Crusius attended school with his twin sister, Emily Crusius. The school collectively thought of Patrick Crusius as ďthe strange oneĒ of the sibling duo, according to two people who attended with them ó both of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    It is not clear how Crusius got from the Dallas area to El Paso, a roughly nine-hour drive.

    The shooting apparently began outside the Walmart midmorning Saturday.
    Vanessa Saenz, a 37-year-old El Paso resident, was turning into the Walmart parking lot, with her mother and son, to buy the familyís weekly groceries when she heard a few pops that sounded like fireworks.

    She looked over and saw a man who seemed to be ďdancingĒ in the air ó and then she noticed a woman sprinting.

    Saenz realized that the man had been shot and that these were no fireworks.
    ďMy mom yelled, ĎJust go! Speed and just go!í but of course there were people trying to dodge the bullets and running through the parking lot,Ē Saenz said in an interview with The Post.

    She also caught a glimpse of the shooter, who she said was wearing dark cargo pants, a black T-shirt, and some sort of earmuffs. He was around 5-foot-10-inches tall, thin and carrying a rifle, she said.

    He was just ďshooting randomly,Ē Saenz said, and then he walked into the store and she lost sight of him.

    Inside the Walmart, shoppers and employees raced to exit the store or even hide in shelves. Witnesses said Good Samaritans used their own cars to transport victims to hospitals.

    Roughly 650 miles east in Allen, Texas, police on Saturday night blocked off a road in the upscale Starcreek neighborhood. Melinda Urbina, a spokesperson for the Dallas FBI field office, said Crusiusís family lives on the street and that the FBI is assisting El Paso police in the investigation.

    Neighbors milled about as television reporters camped out on the sidewalk. Valerie Corniello, a neighbor, said she had seen people come and go from the Crusius house but had never spoken with them.

    ďThe neighborhood is quiet with lots of professionals and people from all backgrounds and races,Ē she said. ďItís so sad what has happened. I feel sick for the family.Ē

    In El Paso, OíRourke and his wife, Amy, visited victims and their families at University Medical Center. One family had been sitting at a table raising funds for a soccer team the father coached when he was shot and badly wounded. OíRourke spoke to his wife.

    ďShe told me and Amy, ĎThis has got to change,í" OíRourke said.
    OíRourke said President Trumpís rhetoric has triggered violence, though he stopped short of blaming him for the El Paso shootings.

    ďHe is a racist and he stokes racism in this country,Ē OíRourke said. ďAnd it does not just offend our sensibilities, it fundamentally changes the character of this country and it leads to violence.Ē



    It's an event and it's current. What you all think?
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    Default Re: 20 Dead in El Paso Walmart Shooting

    There was another shooting the same day as the shooting in El Paso. Dayton Ohio.

    LIVE UPDATES
    Updated 20 minutes ago
    Live Updates: Shootings in El Paso and Ohio leave at least 29 dead.

    The killings are the latest in a particularly brutal week for gun violence in the United States.

    By Simon Romero and Daniel Victor

    Right Now

    Mass shootings in Texas and Ohio leave at least 29 dead
    Hereís what you need to know:

    Shootings in El Paso and Ohio leave at least 29 dead.
    The El Paso shooting is raising tensions in a city already on edge.
    The shopping center was a regular destination for Mexican nationals.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/u...g-updates.html

    Shootings in El Paso and Ohio leave at least 29 dead.

    Less than 24 hours after a gunman opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Tex., a man using a long gun stormed an entertainment district in Dayton, Ohio and killed at least nine people and wounded another 16, the police said.

    [Read: Dayton police officers were nearby and responded to the scene within one minute of gunshots.]

    It was the latest tragedy in a particularly brutal week for gun violence in the United States. The shooting came about 13 hours after a gunman in El Paso left at least 20 dead and 26 others wounded and one week after a gunman killed three people and wounded 13 others in a shooting at a garlic festival in Gilroy, Calif.

    In all, there have been at least 32 mass shootings, defined as three or more killings in a single episode, in the United States this year.

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    @ RogueEllis

    "OíRourke said President Trumpís rhetoric has triggered violence, though he stopped short of blaming him for the El Paso shootings."

    It is a shame that a tragedy like this has to be politicized ...........

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    Default Re: 20 Dead in El Paso Walmart Shooting

    Here is the El Paso shooter's Manifesto in its entirety, as published in the Drudge Report, and hardly even summarized in the New York Times:

    WALMART SHOOTER MANIFESTO
    Sat Aug 03 2019 22:31:51 ET

    The Inconvenient Truth
    About Me
    In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and
    his manifesto. This attack is a response to the
    Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigator
    s, not me. I am simply defending my country from
    cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.
    Some people will think this statement is
    hypocritical because of the nearly complete ethnic
    and cultural destruction brought to the Native
    Americans by our European ancestors, but this just
    reinforces my point. The natives didnít take the
    invasion of Europeans seriously, and now whatís lef
    t is just a shadow of what was. My motives for this
    attack are not at all personal. Actually the Hispan
    ic community was not my target before I read The
    Great Replacement. This manifesto will cover the po
    litical and economic reasons behind the attack, my
    gear, my expectations of what response this will ge
    nerate and my personal motivations and thoughts.
    Political Reasons
    In short, America is rotting from the inside out,
    and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly
    impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our lead
    ers, both Democrat AND Republican, have been
    failing us for decades. They are either complacent
    or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the
    American public in our history. The takeover of the
    United States government by unchecked
    corporations. I could write a ten page essay on all
    the damage these corporations have caused, but here
    is what is important. Due to the death of the baby
    boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of
    the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state. The
    Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by
    pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open
    borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship
    and more to enact a political coup by importing and then
    legalizing millions of new voters. With policies li
    ke these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely
    become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a
    Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the
    Democrats is all it would take for them to win near
    ly every presidential election. Although the
    Republican Party is also terrible. Many factions within the Republican Party are pro-corporation. Pro-
    corporation = pro-immigration. But some factions within the Republican Party donít prioritize
    corporations over our future. So the Democrats are
    nearly unanimous with their support of immigration
    while the Republicans are divided over it. At least
    with Republicans, the process of mass immigration
    and citizenship can be greatly reduced.
    Economic Reasons
    In short, immigration can only be detrimental to the future of America. Continued immigration will
    make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse. Some sources say that in under
    two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to
    it. Of course some people will be retrained, but most
    will not. So it makes no sense to keep on letting
    millions of illegal or legal immigrants flood into the
    United States, and to keep the tens of millions that are already here. Invaders who also have close to
    the highest birthrate of all ethnicities in America. In
    the near future, America will have to initiate a basic
    universal income to prevent widespread poverty and
    civil unrest as people lose their jobs. Joblessness in
    itself is a source of civil unrest. The less dependents
    on a government welfare system, the better. The
    lower the unemployment rate, the better. Achieving
    ambitions social projects like universal healthcare
    and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if
    tens of millions of dependents are removed.
    Even though new migrants do the dirty work, their kids typically donít. They want to live the American
    Dream which is why they get college degrees and fill higher-paying skilled positions. This is why
    corporations lobby for even more illegal immigration even after decades of it of happening. They need
    to keep replenishing the low-skilled labor pool. Even as migrant children flood skilled jobs, Corporations
    make this worse by lobbying for even more work visa
    s to be issued for skilled foreign workers to come
    here. Recently, the senate under a REPUBLICAN administration has greatly increased the number of
    foreign workers that will take American jobs. Remember that both Democrats and Republicans support
    immigration and work visas. Corporations need to keep replenishing the labor pool for both skilled and
    unskilled jobs to keep wages down. So Automation is
    a good thing as it will eliminate the need for new
    migrants to fill unskilled jobs. Jobs that American
    s canít survive on anyway. Automation can and would
    replace millions of low-skilled jobs if immigrants
    were deported. This source of competition for skilled
    labor from immigrants and visa holders around the world has made a very difficult situation even worse
    for natives as they compete in the skilled job mark
    et. To compete, people have to get better credentials
    by spending more time in college. It used to be tha
    t a high school degree was worth something. Now a
    bachelorís degree is whatís recommended to be competitive in the job market. The cost of college
    degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted.
    This has led to a generation of indebted,
    overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs. Of course these migrants and
    their children have contributed to the problem, but are n
    ot the sole cause of it.
    The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is
    destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive
    burden for future generations. Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by
    shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been
    a problem for decades. For example, this
    phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades
    old classic ďThe LoraxĒ. Water sheds around the
    country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming
    and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste
    and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl create
    s inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how
    many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water of
    f our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my
    short life has led me to believe that the average A
    merican isnít willing to change their lifestyle, even if
    the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The
    government is unwilling to tackle these issues
    beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations. Corporations that also like immigration
    because more people means a bigger market for their
    products. I just want to say that I love the people
    of this country, but god damn most of yíall are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next
    logical step is to decrease the number of people in
    America using resources. If we can get rid of enough
    people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.
    Gear
    Main gun: AK47 (WASR 10) Ė I realized pretty quickly that this isnít a great choice since itís the civilian
    version of the ak47. Itís not designed to shoot rounds quickly, so it overheats massively after about
    100 shots fired in quick succession. Iíll have to use a
    heat-resistant glove to get around this.
    8m3 bullet: This bullet, unlike pretty much any other 7.62x39 bullet, actually fragments like a pistol
    hollow point when shot out of an ak47 at the cost o
    f penetration. Penetration is still reasonable, but not
    nearly as high as a normal ak47 bullet. The ak47 is
    definitely a bad choice without this bullet design, and
    may still be with it.
    Other gun(if I get one): Ar15 Ė Pretty much any variation of this gun doesnít heat up nearly as fast a
    s the
    AK47. The round of this gun isnít designed to frag
    ment, but instead tumbles inside a target causing
    lethal wounding. This gun is probably better, but I
    wanted to explore different options. The ar15 is
    probably the best gun for military applications but
    this isnít a military application.
    This will be a test of which is more lethal, either
    itís fragmentation or tumbling.
    I didnít spend much time at all preparing for this
    attack. Maybe a month, probably less. I have do this
    before I lose my nerve. I figured that an under-prepared attack and a meh manifesto is better than no
    attack and no manifesto
    Reaction
    Statistically, millions of migrants have returned t
    o their home countries to reunite with the family t
    hey
    lost contact with when they moved to America. They
    come here as economic immigrants, not for asylum
    reasons. This is an encouraging sign that the Hispanic population is willing to return to their home
    countries if given the right incentive. An incentive that myself and many other patriotic Americans will
    provide. This will remove the threat of the Hispanic voting bloc which will make up for the loss of
    millions of baby boomers. This will also make the elites that run corporations realize that itís not i
    n their interest to continue piss off Americans. Corporate
    America doesnít need to be destroyed, but just
    shown that they are on the wrong side of history. That if they donít bend, they will break.
    Personal Reasons and Thoughts
    My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesnít exist. The job of my dreams will
    likely be automated. Hispanics will take control of
    the local and state government of my beloved Texas,
    changing policy to better suit their needs. They will turn Texas into an instrument of a political coup
    which will hasten the destruction of our country. The environment is getting worse by the year. If you
    take nothing else from this document, remember this
    : INACTION IS A CHOICE. I can no longer bear the
    shame of inaction knowing that our founding fathers
    have endowed me with the rights needed to save
    our country from the brink destruction. Our European comrades donít have the gun rights needed to
    repel the millions of invaders that plaque their country. They have no choice but to sit by and watch
    their countries burn.
    America can only be destroyed from the inside-out.
    If our country falls, it will be the fault of trait
    ors. This
    is why I see my actions as faultless. Because this
    isnít an act of imperialism but an act of preservation.
    America is full of hypocrites who will blast my act
    ions as the sole result of racism and hatred of other
    countries, despite the extensive evidence of all the problems these invaders cause and will cause.
    People who are hypocrites because they support imperialistic wars that have caused the loss of tens of
    thousands of American lives and untold numbers of civilian lives. The argument that mass murder is
    okay when it is state sanctioned is absurd. Our government has killed a whole lot more people for a
    whole lot less. Even if other non-immigrant targets would have a greater impact, I canít bring myself to kill my fellow
    Americans. Even the Americans that seem hell-bent on destroying our country. Even if they are
    shameless race mixers, massive polluters, haters of
    our collective values, etc. One day they will see error
    of their ways. Either when American patriots fail to reform our country and it collapses or when we save
    it. But they will see the error of their ways. I promise yíall that.
    I am against race mixing because it destroys genetic diversity and creates identity problems. Also
    because itís completely unnecessary and selfish. 2nd and 3rd
    generation Hispanics form interracial unions
    at much higher rates than average. Yet another reason to send them back. Cultural and racial diversity
    is largely temporary. Cultural diversity diminishes as
    stronger and/or more appealing cultures overtake
    weaker and/or undesirable ones. Racial diversity will disappear as either race mixing or genocide will
    take place. But the idea of deporting or murdering
    all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been
    here at least as long as the whites, and have done
    as much to build our country. The best solution to
    this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each
    race. This physical separation would nearly eliminate race mixing and improve social unity by granting
    each race self-determination within their respective territory(s).
    My death is likely inevitable. If Iím not killed by
    the police, then Iíll probably be gunned down by one of
    the invaders. Capture in this case if far worse than dying during the shooting because Iíll get the death
    penalty anyway. Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why Iím not
    going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If Ií
    m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.
    Remember: it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Donít attack heavily guarded areas to fulfll
    your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security
    targets. Even though you might out gun a security
    guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor,
    training and numbers. Do not throw away your life
    on an unnecessarily dangerous target. If a target seems too hot, live to fight another day.
    My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest
    predate Trump and his campaign for president. I put
    ting this here because some people will blame the
    President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media
    will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trumpís rhetoric. The media is infamous
    for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.
    Many people think that the fight for America is already lost. They couldnít be more wrong. This is just
    the beginning of the fight for America and Europe.
    I am honored to head the fight to reclaim my country
    from destruction.

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    Default Re: 20 Dead in El Paso Walmart Shooting

    I just edited this WALMART SHOOTER MANIFESTO to make it easier to read. Nothing more.

    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    Here is the El Paso shooter's Manifesto in its entirety, as published in the Drudge Report, and hardly even summarized in the New York Times:

    WALMART SHOOTER MANIFESTO
    Sat Aug 03 2019 22:31:51 ET

    The Inconvenient Truth About Me

    In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.

    Some people will think this statement is hypocritical because of the nearly complete ethnic and cultural destruction brought to the Native Americans by our European ancestors, but this just reinforces my point. The natives didnít take the invasion of Europeans seriously, and now whatís left is just a shadow of what was.

    My motives for this attack are not at all personal. Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement. This manifesto will cover the political and economic reasons behind the attack, my gear, my expectations of what response this will generate and my personal motivations and thoughts.

    Political Reasons

    In short, America is rotting from the inside out, and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. They are either complacent or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the American public in our history. The takeover of the United States government by unchecked corporations.

    I could write a ten page essay on all the damage these corporations have caused, but here is what is important. Due to the death of the baby boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state.

    The Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters.

    With policies like these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the Democrats is all it would take for them to win nearly every presidential election.

    Although the Republican Party is also terrible. Many factions within the Republican Party are pro-corporation. Procorporation = pro-immigration. But some factions within the Republican Party donít prioritize corporations over our future. So the Democrats are nearly unanimous with their support of immigration while the Republicans are divided over it. At least with Republicans, the process of mass immigration and citizenship can be greatly reduced.

    Economic Reasons

    In short, immigration can only be detrimental to the future of America. Continued immigration will make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse. Some sources say that in under two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to it. Of course some people will be retrained, but most will not. So it makes no sense to keep on letting millions of illegal or legal immigrants flood into the United States, and to keep the tens of millions that are already here. Invaders who also have close to the highest birthrate of all ethnicities in America.

    In the near future, America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs. Joblessness in itself is a source of civil unrest. The less dependents on a government welfare system, the better. The lower the unemployment rate, the better. Achieving ambitions social projects like universal healthcare and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed.

    Even though new migrants do the dirty work, their kids typically donít. They want to live the American Dream which is why they get college degrees and fill higher-paying skilled positions. This is why corporations lobby for even more illegal immigration even after decades of it of happening. They need to keep replenishing the low-skilled labor pool.

    Even as migrant children flood skilled jobs, Corporations make this worse by lobbying for even more work visas to be issued for skilled foreign workers to come here.

    Recently, the senate under a REPUBLICAN administration has greatly increased the number of foreign workers that will take American jobs. Remember that both Democrats and Republicans support immigration and work visas. Corporations need to keep replenishing the labor pool for both skilled and unskilled jobs to keep wages down. So Automation is a good thing as it will eliminate the need for new migrants to fill unskilled jobs. Jobs that Americans canít survive on anyway.

    Automation can and would replace millions of low-skilled jobs if immigrants were deported. This source of competition for skilled labor from immigrants and visa holders around the world has made a very difficult situation even worse for natives as they compete in the skilled job market.

    To compete, people have to get better credentials by spending more time in college. It used to be that a high school degree was worth something. Now a bachelorís degree is whatís recommended to be competitive in the job market. The cost of college degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted. This has led to a generation of indebted, overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs.

    Of course these migrants and their children have contributed to the problem, but are not the sole cause of it. The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country.

    The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades. For example, this phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic ďThe LoraxĒ.

    Water sheds around the country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent.

    Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American isnít willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience.

    The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations. Corporations that also like immigration because more people means a bigger market for their products.

    I just want to say that I love the people of this country, but god damn most of yíall are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.

    Gear Main gun: AK47 (WASR 10) Ė
    I realized pretty quickly that this isnít a great choice since itís the civilian version of the ak47. Itís not designed to shoot rounds quickly, so it overheats massively after about 100 shots fired in quick succession. Iíll have to use a heat-resistant glove to get around this.

    8m3 bullet: This bullet, unlike pretty much any other 7.62x39 bullet, actually fragments like a pistol hollow point when shot out of an ak47 at the cost of penetration. Penetration is still reasonable, but not nearly as high as a normal ak47 bullet.
    The ak47 is definitely a bad choice without this bullet design, and may still be with it.

    Other gun(if I get one): Ar15 Ė Pretty much any variation of this gun doesnít heat up nearly as fast as the AK47. The round of this gun isnít designed to fragment, but instead tumbles inside a target causing lethal wounding. This gun is probably better, but I wanted to explore different options. The ar15 is probably the best gun for military applications but this isnít a military application. This will be a test of which is more lethal, either itís fragmentation or tumbling.


    I didnít spend much time at all preparing for this attack. Maybe a month, probably less. I have do this before I lose my nerve. I figured that an under-prepared attack and a meh manifesto is better than no attack and no manifesto

    Reaction
    Statistically, millions of migrants have returned to their home countries to reunite with the family they lost contact with when they moved to America. They come here as economic immigrants, not for asylum reasons.

    This is an encouraging sign that the Hispanic population is willing to return to their home countries if given the right incentive. An incentive that myself and many other patriotic Americans will provide. This will remove the threat of the Hispanic voting bloc which will make up for the loss of millions of baby boomers.

    This will also make the elites that run corporations realize that itís not in their interest to continue piss off Americans. Corporate America doesnít need to be destroyed, but just shown that they are on the wrong side of history. That if they donít bend, they will break.


    Personal Reasons and Thoughts.

    My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesnít exist. The job of my dreams will likely be automated. Hispanics will take control of the local and state government of my beloved Texas, changing policy to better suit their needs. They will turn Texas into an instrument of a political coup which will hasten the destruction of our country.

    The environment is getting worse by the year. If you take nothing else from this document, remember this: INACTION IS A CHOICE. I can no longer bear the shame of inaction knowing that our founding fathers have endowed me with the rights needed to save rour country from the brink destruction.

    Our European comrades donít have the gun rights needed to repel the millions of invaders that plaque their country. They have no choice but to sit by and watch their countries burn.

    America can only be destroyed from the inside-out. If our country falls, it will be the fault of traitors. This is why I see my actions as faultless. Because this isnít an act of imperialism but an act of preservation.

    America is full of hypocrites who will blast my actions as the sole result of racism and hatred of other countries, despite the extensive evidence of all the problems these invaders cause and will cause. People who are hypocrites because they support imperialistic wars that have caused the loss of tens of thousands of American lives and untold numbers of civilian lives. The argument that mass murder is okay when it is state sanctioned is absurd.

    Our government has killed a whole lot more people for a whole lot less. Even if other non-immigrant targets would have a greater impact, I canít bring myself to kill my fellow Americans. Even the Americans that seem hell-bent on destroying our country. Even if they are shameless race mixers, massive polluters, haters of our collective values, etc.

    One day they will see error of their ways. Either when American patriots fail to reform our country and it collapses or when we save it. But they will see the error of their ways. I promise yíall that.

    I am against race mixing because it destroys genetic diversity and creates identity problems. Also because itís completely unnecessary and selfish. 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanics form interracial unions at much higher rates than average. Yet another reason to send them back. Cultural and racial diversity is largely temporary.

    Cultural diversity diminishes as stronger and/or more appealing cultures overtake weaker and/or undesirable ones. Racial diversity will disappear as either race mixing or genocide will take place. But the idea of deporting or murdering all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been here at least as long as the whites, and have done as much to build our country.

    The best solution to this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each
    race. This physical separation would nearly eliminate race mixing and improve social unity by granting each race self determination within their respective territory(s).

    My death is likely inevitable. If Iím not killed by the police, then Iíll probably be gunned down by one of the invaders. Capture in this case is far worse than dying during the shooting because Iíll get the death penalty anyway.

    Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why Iím not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If Iím captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.

    Remember: it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Donít attack heavily guarded areas to fulfill your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security targets. Even though you might out gun a security guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor, training and numbers. Do not throw away your life on an unnecessarily dangerous target. If a target seems too hot, live to fight another day.

    My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. Iím putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case.

    I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trumpís rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.

    Many people think that the fight for America is already lost. They couldnít be more wrong. This is just the beginning of the fight for America and Europe.

    I am honored to head the fight to reclaim my country from destruction.
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    "OíRourke said President Trumpís rhetoric has triggered violence, though he stopped short of blaming him for the El Paso shootings."

    It is a shame that a tragedy like this has to be politicized ...........
    Speaking of politics I suppose this is going to now be a talking point for the Democratic convention?

    And I missed about the Ohio shooting. Maybe the thread title can be changed to reflect that?

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    Quote Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)
    I just edited this WALMART SHOOTER MANIFESTO to make it easier to read. Nothing more.
    tion.
    Disgusting Garbage from a disgusting human being. (about the shooter and his writing not Deux for formatting)

    White nationalist garbage through and through.

    This is what happens when the political establishment openly embraces white nationalism.

    Why do we feel the need to give this garbage a platform? What is to be gained by reading this? Did we learn anything new from it? Did it change our mind about anything?



    I for one stand against everything this dude stands for and find it to be disgusting.

    I hope his family does despise him and everything he stands for.

    I hope all on this forum feel the same.

    Utter garbage.
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    Disgusting Garbage from a disgusting human being.
    White nationalist garbage through and through.
    This is what happens when the political establishment openly embraces white nationalism.
    Why do we feel the need to give this garbage a platform? What is to be gained by reading this? Did we learn anything new from it? Did it change our mind about anything?
    I for one stand against everything this dude stands for and find it to be disgusting.
    I hope his family does despise him and everything he stands for.
    I hope all on this forum feel the same.
    Utter garbage.
    Well, I disagree. Obviously I think it is totally wrong to kill people. But I think it is a very well written article, even if I do disagree with some parts of it. Was he wrong when he said our military gets away with murdering people for far less reason? Was he wrong when he said that Americans are polluting our environment at an alarming rate and yet very few seem to care? Was he wrong when he said people of color have been here as long as white people and helped build America to what it is today?

    He may be misguided to think that violence will somehow solve the problem, but there is truth in some of what he says.
    I am enlightened, ............ Oh wait. That's just the police shining their spotlights on me.

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    We don't even know if "this guy" wrote that piece.

    We don't even know what really happened there, do we?

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    Question answered.
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    Below is a statement by the shooter in Texas: Not to be found in the media.


    "My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. Iím putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case."

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    Quote Posted by RogueEllis (here)
    Okay, I'm going to be honest here and admit something embarrassing and slightly off-topic: I have a mental-disability. And while I'm trying to fit in, I feel like I'm this dog jumping up at the heels of grown ups I'm never going to reach. POINT: I want to understand all of this but it goes over my head. Is there any news source, YouTube channel or otherwise, that could give me an unbiased "simplified" take on topics. I really would like to know, I just feel like I'm at the edge trying to gnaw my way in.

    Okay, I'm sorry for that. I just needed to get it out. Please ignore if necessary.
    Hey, my friend, no worries, we all feel like "dogs jumping up at the heels of grown ups I'm never going to reach."

    I'm not sure where to point you exactly, because Youtube used to be an amazing source of info on everything from 911 to Sandy Hook to Pulse, etc. But they've removed 95% of the videos that took many hours to make. You can try bitchute and search out the topics you're interested in.

    Def check out Ole Dammegard. He's got a bunch of interviews on YT. Very shrewd guy. There's David Icke, there's Avalon of course, there's Infowars (heavy grain of salt warning there). The info's still out there, you have to search harder now.

    Check out this guy, Jim Stone: http://82.221.129.208/.we7.html He's already got a piece up on this Walmart thing, with some serious questions about the event -- and its timing. Timing is usually a major theme to these things.

    And listen, don't worry if you feel lost in all this -- again, we're all basically lost and piecing things together. Don't let yourself get too frustrated -- or obsessed.
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    Quote Posted by RogueEllis (here)
    Okay, I'm going to be honest here and admit something embarrassing and slightly off-topic: I have a mental-disability. And while I'm trying to fit in, I feel like I'm this dog jumping up at the heels of grown ups I'm never going to reach. POINT: I want to understand all of this but it goes over my head. Is there any news source, YouTube channel or otherwise, that could give me an unbiased "simplified" take on topics. I really would like to know, I just feel like I'm at the edge trying to gnaw my way in.

    Okay, I'm sorry for that. I just needed to get it out. Please ignore if necessary.
    Hey, my friend, no worries, we all feel like "dogs jumping up at the heels of grown ups I'm never going to reach."

    I'm not sure where to point you exactly, because Youtube used to be an amazing source of info on everything from 911 to Sandy Hook to Pulse, etc. But they've removed 95% of the videos that took many hours to make. You can try bitchute and search out the topics you're interested in.

    Def check out Ole Dammegard. He's got a bunch of interviews on YT. Very shrewd guy. There's David Icke, there's Avalon of coure, there's Infowars (heavy grain of salt warning there). The info's still out there, you have to search harder now.

    Check out this guy, Jim Stone: http://82.221.129.208/.we7.html He's already got a piece up on this Walmart thing, with some serious questions about the event -- and its timing. Timing is usually a major theme to these things.

    And listen, don't worry if you feel lost in all this -- again, we're all basically lost and piecing things together. Don't let yourself get too frustrated -- or obsessed.
    Ha-ha thanks! And sorry for getting off-topic! I just know my main news sources lean to the left so I want something more balanced. And you all ask such great questions I just want to understand them.

    Back on topic: Why wait now? Why not do this while Obama's in office?

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    we don't know if this guy acted alone or if there we're multiple shooters; there's always a single patsy who is blamed- has always been the case-

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    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)
    Disgusting Garbage from a disgusting human being.

    White nationalist garbage through and through.

    This is what happens when the political establishment openly embraces white nationalism.
    Disgusting for sure, it made my skin crawl to read it, but not so fast on the hair trigger pure blaming it on white nationalism. Yes that sure is there, but extreme white nationalism only appears to be part of it. For example, he wants them all immigrants to go home (white nationalist), but also wants to divide the country into racially segregated quadrants for all to live peacefully but separate.

    Not white nationalist.

    Quote The best solution to this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each
    race. This physical separation would nearly eliminate race mixing and improve social unity by granting each race self determination within their respective territory(s).

    Hes a very confused young man who has ingested a lot of information but (some quite correct!), but the internal processing is all warped out of shape, he's delusional. For starters, on the one hand he wants to force them all to go home (white nationalst), while also advocation above for a for a Israel/Palestine type of 2 state solution (not white nationalist)


    He even ends with this.

    Quote My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. Iím putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case.

    I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trumpís rhetoric.
    Of course theyre going to blame Trumps rhetoric, and some of that retoric i feel really is going to, and maybe already is, inciting slightly unhinged people who otherwise would stay hidden in the shadows, but the kid makes a point of saying his ideology predates Trump. If he really did write this, hes obviously imo been surfing the net for some time, and i do believe him with saying it pre dates Trump.

    But besides having an aspect of extreme white nationalist whether the kid wants to admit it to himseld or not, besides being EXTREMELY and INEXCUSEABLY anti immigrant, most the rest of his ideology is far left in origin. Its like hes married extreme white nationalism with extreme antifa.

    He starts out all anti democrat

    Quote The Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters.

    With policies like these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the Democrats is all it would take for them to win nearly every presidential election
    But quickly proceeds to rattle off a whole littany of not just democrat, but very progressive ideas and talking points
    Quote In the near future, America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs.
    Left wing. Hellooooo... Andrew Yang anyone?

    Quote The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations.
    Left wing

    Quote Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over harvesting resources.
    Left wing

    Quote The cost of college degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted. This has led to a generation of indebted, overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs.
    Left wing.

    Quote Achieving ambitions social projects like universal healthcare and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed.
    The above is another example of marrying left to EXTREME far right to make one f'd up little baby...

    Quote Water sheds around the country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent.
    Left wing

    Quote Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands.
    Left wing

    Quote People who are hypocrites because they support imperialistic wars that have caused the loss of tens of thousands of American lives and untold numbers of civilian lives. The argument that mass murder is okay when it is state sanctioned is absurd.
    Left wing, and this is right out of pres candidate Tulsi Gabbards playbook.


    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)
    Why do we feel the need to give this garbage a platform? What is to be gained by reading this? Did we learn anything new from it? Did it change our mind about anything?
    I learned something. At the very least i now know its possible for a mostly very left wing leaning person, to add one EXTREME element of far right wing to produce disastrous results.

    Also, when i watch msm and hear this one is all about Trump, i'll know better.

    Also, we should never shy from looking at ANY given piece of info. Ill plop down and read the satanic bible if it suits me.

    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)
    I for one stand against everything this dude stands for and find it to be disgusting.
    Again careful with that. Do you stand against his anti war stance, or his seeing the damage big corporations cause for instance?


    One more thing i want to add. Does a modern day, operational version of Operation Northwoods ever enter anyones mind with this stuff? Maybe even, speaking of odd marriages, the marriage of modern day Operation Northwoods and MKULTRA?

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    This is going to be ONGOING all across Europe people are starting to vote RIGHT WING partys into power or there about ... France with Le Pen and Germany with its AFD party which is growing in size all the time ... Italy voted right wing ...Sweden ... Austria ... Britain voted for Brexit ... All of this because of MASS IMMIGRATION !! You dont need to be racist to understand that local people feel threatened by huge numbers of Muslims etc coming into their towns etc ... I have watched many videos on this subject and i understand these people just want a better life for themselves and their familys ... But the TRUTH is people Worldwide are starting to REACT in EXTREME ways ...Christ Church was a beginning - I believe WE WILL SEE MORE SHOOTINGS - YOU MARK MY WORDS - These kinds of conditions ALLOWED ADOLF HITLERS NAZI PARTY TO FLOURISH THEN DOMINATE under the banner of national revival... They tell US history repeats itself ... His manifesto is well written ... The shootings will continue ... others will be inspired - GOD HELP US !!!!
    You ever feel like your just falling forever ....no point in it ... no purpose what a way to GO .

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    "OíRourke said President Trumpís rhetoric has triggered violence, though he stopped short of blaming him for the El Paso shootings."

    It is a shame that a tragedy like this has to be politicized ...........
    But ramus,it's not a shame, it's reality. Everything is political. Everything that happens within the realm of human experience is political. Politics is/are what humans do.

    I think you may mean that you don't like it when a political leader that you like gets blamed for something that happens in society while they are in charge. This has always been a phenomenon, since our societies allowed "leaders/rulers".

    If a 'leader' can't take the political heat, then he or she should get out of the political kitchen.

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    I share this suspicion.


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    Default Re: 20 Dead in El Paso, TX (US) Walmart Shooting

    I have drawn attention to a portion of the El Paso killer's manifesto. It's not what I expected. The killer is not entirely focused on White Supremacy - his reasoning is more complex. In fact, much of what he claims I agree with, especially with regard to our consumer society destroying our environment. The corporations willingly pillage our world's resources to make things that they can profit from. But I'm afraid he is also correct when he says that our citizens are loath to curb their consumption.

    Where he crashes full speed into Crazy Town is his solution to the problem of rising population

    Is he, in some way, an enviro-terrorist? Is this insane "activism" one of the dangers our society risks as we continue to destroy our planet?

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    The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is
    destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive
    burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by
    shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades.

    For example, this phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic ďThe LoraxĒ. Water sheds around the
    country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming
    and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste
    and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl create
    s inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how
    many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands.

    Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American

    isnít willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The government is unwilling to tackle these issues
    beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations. Corporations that also like immigration
    because more people means a bigger market for their products. I just want to say that I love the people
    of this country, but god damn most of yíall are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle.

    So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough
    people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.
    A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the restóa kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

    Albert E.

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    Default Re: 20 Dead in El Paso Walmart Shooting

    Yes, that "manifesto" has some interesting things, I won't deny it.

    But it's a giant red herring.

    Also, why would someone that thougtful then decide to blast away at a store full of people? For what ultimate end? To get his manifesto out there that shows he cares for this country and its people? Even though he just randomly (we'd assume) shot into a crowded public place?

    Doesn't add up. At all.

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