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    Default SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    I'm curious as to who is for our world governments keeping weapons out of space?
    And if so, or not, please explain.

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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    I think it's already too late for debate. I was reading not that long ago about tungsten poles Musk helped launch into space for us and these the length and diameter of a standard telephone pole out of wood. They array like ten of these in a big cylinder in space and it can precisely drop one over specific targets and when it hits it leaves all the tells that it was a natural meteorite and not something man made.
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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    Since governments/states are the greatest murderers (see "democide" or Carroll Quigley's Weapons Systems and Political Stability), I don't trust governments with anything, therefore I appreciate any government disarmament.

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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
    I think it's already too late for debate.
    Yes, it's a theoretical question only... high-tech space-based weapons are already there.

    And any movement to ban them (mainstream, high-level political or not) would be unenforceable. It's not like UN weapons inspectors can go up there to check.

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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    Satire?
    I guess you won't find a single soul on here who's against that.

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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    I think everyone can agree that keeping weapons out of space would be a good thing but that ship has already set sailed. I do believe that the space issue is the one major component that is likely to move the world in the direction of one-world government. Once the world begins to understand the military-strategic advantage that one country or a small handful of countries can exert over the planet they will demand some sort of control or safeguard. Whether they get it or not is going to be the source of very interesting debate but fall back position will be some sort of control of space. Once we are on that path it will just be a few short steps to a one-world government.

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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    Meeradas/ no not satire, but i do understand your musing. Its more based on a conversation I was having, that most don't care, that the UFO community for one, really don't care and want to sell books and keep the fear going more than actually taking action against.

    Im even following some threads of those selling the Nimitz, Tic Tac incident as a threat. Yet the Nimitz Tic Tac incident was I believe in 2004. Well what are they waiting for? Attack! If they can defy our physics like that , then they are way ahead and can do as they will.

    And If its based on our own wars amongst ourselves on Earth , it will only fuel the flame of using them and insure mutual destruction all the more .

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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    I hope he have the proper weapons controlled for the right reasons to protect us from incoming space objects.
    No it is not a safe situation but I think there are good reasons to have them up there. Awareness is a long game.
    Fear and destruction are short games.


    The minute after I posted this I remembered the idea of Scylla and Charybdis from the
    Iliad. My favorite image of this idea is a large and strong whirlpool on one side, and a large cluster of very sharp rocks one the other, and a very narrow channel in the middle.
    Our crew full of heros must navigate an exact path through the two threats. I think that is a apt analogy for many issues the world is currently faced with, simultaneously it seems. But the idea is we can make it.


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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    Would you or anyone walk into deep jungle without anything to defend and save your life? There could be any number of dangerous germs, viruses, insects, and large animals waiting to prey on idiots who offer themselves as a feast. Well Space may be vast, but I feel there are an Astronomical number of threats which could assail the traveler. One needs to be armed with defensive intent and not offensive intent.

    Now as to the NWO, according to observations made by victims of the recent California FIRES which were AIMED FROM SPACE PRECISELY TO THE FOOTPRINT OF BUILDINGS and avoiding other things, these Microwaves were aimed from satellites and incinerated more thoroughly than an ordinary fire would. My conclusion is that the NWO GANG OF DEMONIC CRIMINALS, headed by the owners of the UN, etc., have planned to wipe Americans off the Earth leaving only small living areas for people according to Agenda 21. The WALL may also be, as the POPE said, to KEEP US IN. They therefore would have engineered the INVASION FROM SOUTH AMERICA to create the excuse for having a Wall.

    Do you remember the people in their homes and elsewhere who suddenly broke into SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION? Some of these people were sitting in front of a TV set and were partially incinerated in such a way as to suggest the RAY came through the set. In 1953 there were TV sets with doors that closed off the screen when not in use. Shortly after that, they all disappeared from TV sets. Then I had experiences of forms and voices repeating what I had just said in the living room to someone on the other side of the screen, confirming what I had already surmised was possible technologically. Today they have confirmed this is true. THEIR PLAN IS TO FRY US FROM SPACE, INDIVIDUALLY AND BY COMMUNITY.

    My conclusion is that either our Representatives are ignorant/corrupt or simply unaware and helpless to stop the Military Industrial Complex from killing us off, using the money created by the labor of the people and compartmentalized information so that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. Those poor military people might not approve of participating in the incineration of their families and friends if they knew what the NAZI'S above their pay grade were doing to them.
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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    Is it that we know for a fact they are already in space? or we believe so?

    if we know for a fact, then there must be evidence, documents etc .

    If a best guesstimate , witness testimony etc, it can be compelling , but may not be proof.

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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    Yes the countries of Haiti and Somalia are keeping weapons OUT of space................
    Your title is demanding that I name those two countries

    Yes I think both the US and Russia have secret weapons in space orbit.

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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
    I think it's already too late for debate.
    Yes, it's a theoretical question only... high-tech space-based weapons are already there.

    And any movement to ban them (mainstream, high-level political or not) would be unenforceable. It's not like UN weapons inspectors can go up there to check.
    Like Bill said, it would be unenforceable. That was my first thought.

    I can see that defense departments would want to have them circling or sitting somewhere in orbit. Sure. But once many competing countries have them up there, where does it stop?

    Its kinda dumb, if you think it through in years as more and more weapons are deployed - its gonna get busy and crowded. Then someone's system has a bug in it and it collides with another orbiting piece and so on until everyone is trying to destroy each others gear.

    So, I suppose if whoever's DOD has the only gear in the game then its good for them. But, it would get messy eventually.

    Ahh, but put a couple weapons in space and then push the agenda to not have space weapons employed and then you have the only one(s).

    And for Amor's perspective - I agree with taking something with you along for the ride if the plan is to explore other worlds. I would not be comfortable walking around on another planet wondering what was going to eat me or try to take me home as a prize.

    And to sum it up - weapons usually end up in the hands of the wrong people. Or people that were good and made bad decisions under pressure or stress.

    Imagine what the world would be like if there were no weapons - and if we could not even physically fight?

    Weird right?

    Everyone would be forced to just chill out.


    Here is another thought - considering that most of us agree that there already are weapons in space. How many of these weapons do you think are pointed at the earth and how many pointed out towards space?
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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    I wonder if the number of weapons accumulated globally on the planet, at this time is actually bigger than number of humans.

    Does it make you feel safer ? Safer from whom, can you name them even ? Lose shooters ? Gangs ? The tribes ? The government even who are the best equipped and armed people on the planet ?

    Those who have weapons automatically argue they have better control( of The Situation, whatever situation) and self-control too because you admit we live under threat of each other ..

    But is that true ? Computers were invented because human brain just can’t do the maths right, fastly, correctly and efficiently.
    Well some brains can but most can’t. Brains can be fooled by large numbers especially.

    What I see is a Planet under threat from its own cheerleaders with big guns turning it to large prison camp for majority of citizens.

    Talk me about human rights and free access to medical care, for example.

    Or “the price of human life” on black market growing exponentially bigger for every next weapon n control system, decreasing every day.


    Things we never wanted to understand the first place but we are forced to meet. Disgraceful check ups and mistreatment of “other humans”.

    We are definitely more vulnerable for being overweaponized and in conflict with our own Selves rather than the optimal opposite which would be Peace, Unity and State of Preparedness.

    Someone looking from Space see we are stockpiling weapons like some old fashioned criminal hiding in the bushes.

    Would that attract helpful response from peaceful civilisations in Space or is it interpreted as clear sign of trouble, even a provocation to another warlike civilisation to engage in fight ???

    Today’s generation are very open minded , calculating all options at once in the same manner their computers do that.

    However ...consider how much was miscalculated already in the name of control-power systems run by people with too big number of errors.


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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    ETs could really help by removing weapons in space but I do not think we can count on their help with that.
    We should ask for their help to remove the weapons.

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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    In my opinion, for space or elsewhere or otherwise, weapons are NOT the issue, the issue to me is who controls said weapons and for what purpose are they being kept or maintained.

    Clearly I can't speak for off world civilizations, but our own human history has shown us many, many times, that a highly civilized and benevolent society will be taken over or destroyed if they have no means of protecting themselves.

    Any civilization capable of traveling comfortably to us from a great distance across space, most probably has the capability to thwart or make our primitive weapons redundant.

    But again, based on our own history, the distinct advantage that high technology has over a more primitive society is not a guarantee that the "higher" tech culture will always be able to overcome the lesser society. On many occasions the pure will to survive and thrive can and has been the deciding factor. As well as this is the fact that technology can only exist for so long without the society and infrastructure and resources needed to support and maintain such technologies.

    Many of our benevolent technologies and useful tools were once created as weapons, walls and the internet or the road networks being good examples, so again it comes down to how the culture uses such weapons or advances in warlike technologies.

    As for the question of whether such advanced alien races even exist, historical or anecdotal evidence aside, I would point anyone to refute the mathematically sound Drake equation. The argument against it is the conjectural nature of the assumptions, but even if he was 99.9% wrong, that still leaves approximately 15,600 separate, viable, highly advanced civilizations in our local galaxy....x... N
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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    Behind the horizons of this Universe there are just other Universes.
    The “horizons” stretch about everywhere.
    Just look around your neighbourhood. People live on all kind of timeliness and some in their own Universes.

    The version of humanly acceptable Universe
    we so struggle to agree on and get along with
    everyday is just one scratch on the Big Screen
    of timespace that is layered with various
    quantum fields.

    Even any of us can hardly define “borders”
    of identifiable, definable reality of who
    we are and what we are truly capable of.


    Therefor I suggest, please do not overshoot.


    Those many nuclear and missile tests and other heavy artillery on this
    Planet are breaching equilibrium and borders
    of other dimensions inhabited by subtle entities
    who are your ancestors and guardians
    of human civilisation.

    This world has already drifted from the right course,
    I’d say even, long ago.

    If it can not come to peaceful and responsible considerations
    this civilisation again will destroy itself
    as it did number times before.

    The proofs are in the stones and in the
    dust bellow our feet.

    So long ago that the history turned to legend

    There may be necessity for some defence systems, true but the accumulation of them here, overuse of energy and resources, devastation of environment etc., and well quantum instability of human minds including the best Minds,
    60% of the modern civilisation are suffering from symptoms of mental issues:

    depression
    anxiety disorders
    alcohol and drug abuse
    eating disorders
    paranoia

    etc etc etc

    It’s a HEAVY DUTY TAX we are all paying to global stress and madness. The stress is pure energy, shared and contagious.


    So in my best advice overweaponisation is extremely dangerous in itself for many logical reasons and we should definitely aim at
    reducing their numbers globally.

    They should.

    But I know “they won’t” . They’ve eaten not only the Biblical apple but the Snake too now and turned some to unfeeling monsters.
    They’re not at the receiving end unfortunately
    not even under their human leaders command.

    But well. “If you don’t trust the grandma shoot the grandma”. Rhetorically😀

    For they’ve got bot for the rest




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    Default Re: SURVEY / Is anyone for keeping weapons out of space ?

    My final thought on WHO is behind the NWO and AGENDA 21 is as follows: At the top is the ALIEN DEMONIC ORDER. Under that is the Rockefeller/Rothschild Bankers who are being used as tools to bring about Global Genocide and create space for the Demonic Takeover. I first read elsewhere that the Rothschild's have access to spacecraft and facilities on the Moon. We read of a Demonic Mind Controlling device housed at the United Nations. I think this is to take over the brains of world leaders who will then carry out the Agenda of the Demonic Order. Fires from weapons from space, etc., are all part of carrying out the Agenda. They wish to control every action and product of life on earth. The power of control is the power to destroy.

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