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    Wink Canadian protest should be example to other countries ?

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    Default Re: Canadian protest should be example to other countries

    Do keep in mind this is in Quebec - and the stats presented only represents healthcare in Quebec.

    The news article image above says that the average Canadian doctor makes $403,500 per year - this out of context. The real stat is that specialized doctors in Quebec specifically, make that, and GPs in Quebec make an average of ~$225,000 per year. No data on the rest of Canada in the article.


    Quote The letter says recent pay raises negotiated by their professional associations as “shocking”, given the “draconian cuts” that have left nurses, orderlies and others overworked and underpaid, as well as led to a widespread lack of services for patients.
    So I guess their "professional associations" who do the negotiating with the Provincial government is like a union of sorts, only gunning for more and more, without ever looking at the entire healthcare ecosystem, nor caring. That's what it looks like to me. I've seen an out of control union bankrupt a company and put hundreds out of work, because the lost sight of what they are supposed to do in the quest to only ever push for more and more in their continuous "battle" with a company.

    That said, great to see people standing up and doing the right thing instead of lining their pocketbooks for a change - kudos to all those doctors!


    BTW some extra stats on Canadian GP pay - the average across Canada is $144,000 -- so yeah, those doctors in Quebec are overpaid already, if their GP average is almost 100k more than that.

    https://www.payscale.com/research/CA..._Doctor/Salary
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    Default Re: Canadian protest should be example to other countries

    Thanks so much to DeDukshyn to clarify the whole circumstances. I think this protest are emblematic.

    For me, the doctors are protesting about the overwork and underpaid of the others health workers,
    which in a way is commendable, but doesn't solve the whole problem of the canadian health service.

    The money returned will certainly not be reversed to meet what the population health services needs.

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    I just put one "?" in title
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    My cynical side says that this will be used against them to pay them less, while the money saved will be spent elsewhere, not necessarily where it is most needed...x... N

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    Default Re: Canadian protest should be example to other countries

    Quote Posted by rogparan (here)
    Thanks so much to DeDukshyn to clarify the whole circumstances. I think this protest are emblematic.

    For me, the doctors are protesting about the overwork and underpaid of the others health workers,
    which in a way is commendable, but doesn't solve the whole problem of the canadian health service.

    The money returned will certainly not be reversed to meet what the population health services needs.
    Actually, there is no such thing as a "Canadian" health care service, since health care is 'balkanized' into a separate system for each province. The workers in each system urge its province to 'keep up with' the one with the best service in each area. Some provinces are richer and fund their health care better than some others. That said, there are some provinces that provide better care in some areas than others, and even have specific programs for particular patients that are not mirrored in others. It's a complicated set of systems, and some Canadians will even relocate to a different province to avail themselves of a treatment that is not offered in their 'home' province.
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