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    Default Significance of triangle symbolism in abduction scenarios and marks left on abductees?

    Hello all,
    I don't know if anything along these lines has been posted yet. If so, my apologies, please remove this.

    I am curious whether any abductees and experiencers have found a predominance of triangle and angle symbolism to arise after an abduction, by way of marks on their skin, in their dreams or visibly during their experiences? What is the significance to the shape, location and colour of the scars and fluorescent marks left behind in abductees? What are some of your experiences and were there messages specific to you in them?

    Here are a couple of mine relative to triangles...

    Triangle I:
    I was staying in NYC. It was late at night during the summer. I had been awake into the wee hours reading with two gentle dogs asleep beside my bed, in a room on the 11th floor. I don't remember falling asleep, but when I awoke, it was to the dogs barking and growling ferociously beside me. My book was still in my hand. I became keenly aware of the windows near the bed being wide open, but I could barely move to see anything else. I will skip some embarrassing details of the situation regarding the physical state I was in, but I noticed my right arm was very sore and so were my ankles.

    When I reached to touch my arm, there was a lump in my upper bicep and a tiny 1/4 inch area that had three bloody dots in a perfectly equilateral triangle. I could feel something hard under my skin just below the marks. The lump was easily moveable with my fingers. Over the course of several days, it shifted along my arm and then disappeared, but the trio of dots remained for nearly a month.

    Despite being frightened and recognizing something was wrong that night, I fell back to sleep and had a terribly painful and paranoid sequence of days afterward, that lasted for over a week. Could not eat, could barely sleep, didn't want to go out of the flat, stayed away from the windows, was scared of nightfall, etc.

    The dream I had the night that this happened was of a milab situation, which I knew nothing about before hand. In fact, I didn't know what to call it until approximately this past year. An officer in dress uniform and shiny black shoes escorted me from a 1970's-esque portable building into a very modern white laboratory-type area. I had tried to bring/sneak something back for proof of what was happening... my guess is that went terribly awry and I remember being frantic that somebody was watching me and they could read my thoughts.

    The next morning, when I actually got out of bed, I noticed there were deep red indentations around, and bloody marks on, my ankles and I was so weak with pain and groggy that I could scarcely walk. Had I been less frightened and more able to move, or had any family or friends nearby at the time, I would have asked for help and visited a doctor.

    On the inside of my left ankle was a tiny red scar: a circular shape with a trio of dots inside it. On the tops of both my ankles at the tendon above the upper parts of my feet were pin-point bloody holes.

    Beside my dream that night, the only direct correlation that I could make to an abduction was seeing a UFO. About two days prior, I had seen a round, silver UFO in broad daylight during lunch off of 5th ave. I had pointed it out to my sister for her input. She laughed it off without ever looking up to see it. I had teasingly begged her to look right outside the window where we were sitting, just between the buildings, it was right there(!) but for whatever reason, she wouldn't look.

    Triangle II: Fast forward four years. I flew to a wedding and upon return, my fiance noticed I had neon yellow fluorescence in an angular patch under my jaw. He could faintly see it under regular lighting and asked what I had rubbed against. He tried to show it to me in the mirror, but I could not detect it, so he took out a black light hoping to emphasize the shape. We were shocked by how defined and large an area was glowing yellow.

    I could see it very clearly and with this light, we also found a 2-inch wide, sky blue equilateral triangle on the inside of my left leg above the ankle. Neither of the marks would come off, no matter what I used to clean and scrub them with.

    The night before that flight home, I had stayed behind to go to sleep early. As I did, I saw a very low-in-the-sky, twinkly, multi-coloured star outside my window. I thought it might not be a star because it had so many beautiful colours, but I was too sleepy to analyze it. My family and friends had also seen it from where they were on their way back that night and talked about it the next morning. They joked that it was a UFO. So, I vaguely suspect that the sighting and the fluorescent shapes were connected.

    The marks along my leg and jaw lasted for several months. They randomly faded, changed or grew brighter during that time and finally disappeared. Months later, the one above my ankle briefly reappeared.

    6 months later, I had a white fluorescent, double triangle (like two mountains, one overlapping the other) mark on my right side. Then another one on my rump. What looked like a rune in an angle shape was found outside my bedroom window. A cut with the same angle appeared on my left leg. More triangles appeared on my body or became evident in my daily life, so I began to think there must be some significance to this shape. It seemed to be a strange calling card. During the same period of time, a man walked into my office and held up his left hand while speaking to me. On his palm, there was a tattooed equilateral triangle. All I could think is, what on earth is going on?!

    Has anyone else here experienced anything similar or do you have any idea what the symbolism is?

    Thank you for any insights and anyone who would like to share their experiences.
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    Default Re: Significance of triangle symbolism in abduction scenarios and marks left on abductees?

    Well this is really creepy, I had no idea there was triangle symbolism related to abductions (edit: I'm kind of angry about the abduction phenomena as a whole)

    I'm not sure if I'm involved or not - but I think there's a good possibility

    I remember having an image of a "gross triangle" kind of "beamed into" my head while I was awake. It was red and blue horizontal stripes, and floating in space. It pointed upward like a pyramid and there was an asshole at the top of it. It was some kind of mechanical contraption, and the implication that came with it was that it was a "device of doom"

    My thoughts tried to get me to draw it and I refused, saying "I will not draw gross diagrams!!!"

    I don't know if it was a vision, a premonition, or just crap - but it was very real to me.

    EDIT: Oh yeah, let's not forget my slightly insane post about everything is triangles (link)
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    Default Re: Significance of triangle symbolism in abduction scenarios and marks left on abductees?

    Several years ago I started finding small triangular scars on my legs. I photoed the one that's been with me the longest and it appears at the bottom of this post (thanks Franny!).

    So, I was noticing these marks and then one morning I woke up to a very sharp pain in my left leg. I went through the day as usual, but the next night I awoke to excruciating pain in the same leg. To my utter astonishment I was looking at bluish Gray 'alien' leaning over my left leg. It squealed when it saw I was looking at it, and leaned forward and I blacked out. I awoke the next morning with a sore leg but I remember nothing else of significance for that day.

    These triangular marks appear on my legs as scars and even appeared as a chalk mark on my pajamas.

    A year or more later I woke one morning with a grease mark across the top of my right foot, like I had dragged it across a vehicle doorway. This was like axle grease. There was also a grease stain in my bedsheets where my foot had been. This incident I surmise to be evidence of a milab, tho I am not certain the Gray I saw previously was from a milab (probably not).

    Although I did not see any ufo's at, or around the times of these incidents, I have seen ufo's on several occasions. The most dramatic was on a camping trip earlier this summer where I saw a rectangular object with odd front and back lights fly by us over a lake, making no noise, at about 11pm (after dark).

    I don't know what these jerks are upto with these abductions, but I don't think they are upto any good. I like to point to the research of Avalon's Truman Cash who has free pdf's on his exhaustive work on abductions and the alien agenda. I think that those of us who are abductees, or think they could be one, are best to be very careful with how we act or behave, and always use our best judgement to make our own independent decisions and assessments of things. If we stay self-aware we can likely mitigate a lot of the crap these jerks are trying to foist on us. Anyway, sorry to hear you are suffering from these events, but stay brave and independent minded, and work from the heart chakra and you'll most likely be fine.

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    I think the triangles are less symbolic, and more indicative of the nature of the tools or appliances being used by those others during these experiences.
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    Default Re: Significance of triangle symbolism in abduction scenarios and marks left on abductees?

    i too have had triangles and other marks, infact a series of events unfolded in 2012 which luckily i took photos of. i'm new here so i'm just figuring out how to add photos.

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    Sorry to hear of these experiences but you're not alone. I have lots of unexplainable dots, scars, blotches, sort of 'scoop marks', on various parts of the body. I've seen the triangles, made up of red dots, and perfect circles too. One clear instance I recall coincided with an abduction/visitation that occurred when I was still up, dressed and fully conscious - although it was after dark. I have no words to adequately convey how shocking that was. If I had any doubt at the time as to my sanity (were these experiences real or not?) that experience ended it.

    I don't recall what happened during the abduction, only 'their' arrival, which as I said happened while I still awake. Mind blowing. But afterwards, I noticed I'd been marked. It involved the purple outline of a half-rectangle on my upper arm, filled with dots and dashes. It was highly pronounced, slightly inflamed too, almost like a fresh tattoo. It would not wash off, but vanished completely by itself within 24 hours.

    An associated question. Ever had any nosebleeds? I mean, profuse, inexplicable bleeding from particularly one nostril?
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    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    I think the triangles are less symbolic, and more indicative of the nature of the tools or appliances being used by those others during these experiences.
    Just to add, I agree with PurpleLama. Under examinations or 'procedures', whatever they are, I've witnessed first hand some of the instruments they use. One was very much like a pen, silver in colour, with a light at the end. I believe the marks that are left on the body are merely a result of the shape and nature of the tools they use.
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    Astral projector Dr. Bruce Goldberg says triangles are the trademark of humans from the future. He has positive associations with them.

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    Interesting TomKat. I have a beautiful silver bracelet I bought in New Mexico. It had a beautiful piece of turquoise in the shape of a triangle. It was the only stone on the bracelet and quite prominent. The stone disintegrated overnight, a night which I don't remember, during the height of my very strange experiences.

    I have the bracelet, sans stone. I didn't lose the stone. It literally turned to powdery crumbles.

    I also have had, for as long as I remember, a scoop mark on my left shin. I have never been able to remember any injury which caused the scar.
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    My husband grew up near Mt. Shasta in the 50's and 60's. He has so many strange tales about the place from those years. He has several scoop marks scars on his legs (not triangles) from when he woke up with injuries in the middle of the night in those days, making him cry out for his parents. They would be bleeding, and they hurt. But they were not there when he went to bed, and he has no memory of how they got there.
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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Sorry to hear of these experiences but you're not alone. I have lots of unexplainable dots, scars, blotches, sort of 'scoop marks', on various parts of the body. I've seen the triangles, made up of red dots, and perfect circles too. One clear instance I recall coincided with an abduction/visitation that occurred when I was still up, dressed and fully conscious - although it was after dark. I have no words to adequately convey how shocking that was. If I had any doubt at the time as to my sanity (were these experiences real or not?) that experience ended it.

    I don't recall what happened during the abduction, only 'their' arrival, which as I said happened while I still awake. Mind blowing. But afterwards, I noticed I'd been marked. It involved the purple outline of a half-rectangle on my upper arm, filled with dots and dashes. It was highly pronounced, slightly inflamed too, almost like a fresh tattoo. It would not wash off, but vanished completely by itself within 24 hours.

    An associated question. Ever had any nosebleeds? I mean, profuse, inexplicable bleeding from particularly one nostril?
    Yes Star Mariner, I had years of bloody noses as a child, particularly at night. It was a 'royal pain' to wake up with a nostril filled with clotted blood. It was usually my left nostril. Not much of a problem these days though.

    Another problem I had as a child were nightmares of spiders. These would cause me to cry and wake the whole house.

    Never associated either of these phenomenon with the abduction problem but it does certainly seem to correlate.

    I don't know why I feel this, but I think love thru the heart chakra can defeat these creeps.

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    Quote Posted by Ayt (here)
    My husband grew up near Mt. Shasta in the 50's and 60's. He has so many strange tales about the place from those years. He has several scoop marks scars on his legs (not triangles) from when he woke up with injuries in the middle of the night in those days, making him cry out for his parents. They would be bleeding, and they hurt. But they were not there when he went to bed, and he has no memory of how they got there.
    Mt Shasta is an area I feel of significance, one that can't be ignored.

    When I first started to hear stories associated with Mt. Shasta and it's associated energies and apparent sacredness, my thoughts were something like, new age BS, but the stories haven't diminished and they get compellingly stronger from sources that aren't new age. It appears to have interdimensional significance.

    With that in mind, there is a very interesting story regarding Mt. Shasta told by Sebastien Martin on Project Camelot.

    Sebastien Martin - Starseed awakening

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    Links to another which may be interesting.


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    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    Yes Star Mariner, I had years of bloody noses as a child, particularly at night. It was a 'royal pain' to wake up with a nostril filled with clotted blood. It was usually my left nostril. Not much of a problem these days though.

    Another problem I had as a child were nightmares of spiders. These would cause me to cry and wake the whole house.

    Never associated either of these phenomenon with the abduction problem but it does certainly seem to correlate.
    OK.... that's a lot of correlations... (paranoia beginning to set in!). I had nose bleeds as a child too, and there was one in particular when I was only a little baby that seems half suspicious in hindsight. My mother found me in a pool of blood in my crib, and my folks got me to the hospital as fast as they could. Thankfully it turned out to be "only a nose bleed"...

    I don't dream of spiders thank goodness, but I sure am horrified of them! Medium to large spider always makes me scream - it's like I cannot hold it in. It's so nonsensical it's almost funny...

    Funny thing about people who have spider phobias... we're not afraid of mice! Conversely, the people who are afraid of mice don't seem to mind the spiders at all!

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    woke up one morning in 2012 with this on my left arm, the marks didn't hurt and faded after a week.

    I've more images to post with detailed text if thats ok.

    btw i don't smoke, never have, this is a genuine unknown im hoping someone may know more about this.
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    Quote Posted by Peter UK (here)
    Quote Posted by Ayt (here)
    My husband grew up near Mt. Shasta in the 50's and 60's. He has so many strange tales about the place from those years. He has several scoop marks scars on his legs (not triangles) from when he woke up with injuries in the middle of the night in those days, making him cry out for his parents. They would be bleeding, and they hurt. But they were not there when he went to bed, and he has no memory of how they got there.
    Mt Shasta is an area I feel of significance, one that can't be ignored.

    When I first started to hear stories associated with Mt. Shasta and it's associated energies and apparent sacredness, my thoughts were something like, new age BS, but the stories haven't diminished and they get compellingly stronger from sources that aren't new age. It appears to have interdimensional significance.

    With that in mind, there is a very interesting story regarding Mt. Shasta told by Sebastien Martin on Project Camelot.
    Cathy O'Brien mentions some kind of deep state operation in Mt Shasta, quotes Merle Haggard as saying something about how fantastical the place is and hard to know what is what.

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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Quote Posted by Peter UK (here)
    Quote Posted by Ayt (here)
    My husband grew up near Mt. Shasta in the 50's and 60's. He has so many strange tales about the place from those years. He has several scoop marks scars on his legs (not triangles) from when he woke up with injuries in the middle of the night in those days, making him cry out for his parents. They would be bleeding, and they hurt. But they were not there when he went to bed, and he has no memory of how they got there.
    Mt Shasta is an area I feel of significance, one that can't be ignored.

    When I first started to hear stories associated with Mt. Shasta and it's associated energies and apparent sacredness, my thoughts were something like, new age BS, but the stories haven't diminished and they get compellingly stronger from sources that aren't new age. It appears to have interdimensional significance.

    With that in mind, there is a very interesting story regarding Mt. Shasta told by Sebastien Martin on Project Camelot.
    Cathy O'Brien mentions some kind of deep state operation in Mt Shasta, quotes Merle Haggard as saying something about how fantastical the place is and hard to know what is what.
    My husband's stories from mostly the 50's involve gov't ops, ufo's, a secret society, tales told by his Native American friends there, Bigfoot, the Shasta Lights (as they called them)... He keeps me fascinated hearing his childhood memories, for sure! Kids tended to not miss a trick in their young environments.
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    So many different angles to consider. I am just fascinated by everything that you are mentioning. Thank you all so much for sharing.

    Petra, I do feel it is creepy, or disturbing, because unless a contract is consciously remembered, I feel it is a violation of our rights...and is more so, if there isn't a contract involved and we are merely considered a crop or herd of sorts. It's bad enough our governments and militaries often treat us as such in terms of lack of transparency and disclosure to the public. When unseen factions are collaborating and potentially doing the same thing on a global scale, I think people need to know.
    I also find it disturbing how often the triangle is associated in visual media with Illuminati references attached to heinous situations and movie/music stars promoting a less-than-beneficial-to-humanity, spiritually depleting lifestyle or ethos. :-( There are so many negative verbal/visual connotations, that I feel driven to find something positive to balance it all...or at least to temper the perspective that I am led toward, regarding abduction phenomena, which is mostly negative.

    Thank you, TomKat, for mentioning Dr. Bruce Goldberg.Fascinating! He has such a positive energetic attitude. I listened to an interview with him after reading what you wrote and he ironically mentioned the issues presented by a person claiming to have experienced a physical abduction while on an upper floor in busy NYC, and how it would more likely be possible interdimensionally, through the 5th dimension. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXVYxpYujk4 (@ 23:00)

    In reference to a humanity of the future using the triangle symbol, I was reading Morals and Dogma, in which is written about the triangle, "The union of the Monad and the Duad produces the Triad, signifying the world formed by the creative principle out of matter. Pythagoras represented the world by the right-angled triangle, in which the squares of the two shortest sides are equal, added together, to the square of the longest one; as the world, as formed, is equal to the creative cause, and matter clothed with form..;wherefore there are but three essential degrees among Masons; who venerate in the triangle, the most august mystery, that of the Sacred Triad, object of their homage and study...But three lines form, by their junction, the TRIANGLE, or the first figure regularly perfect; and this is why it has served and still serves to characterize The Eternal; Who, infinitely perfect in His nature, is, as Universal Creator, the first Being, and consequently the first Perfection...It is to be noted that the name of God in Latin and French ( Deus, Dieu), has for its initial the Delta or Greek Triangle. Such is the reason, among ancients and moderns, for the consecration of the Triangle, whose three sides are emblems of the three Kingdoms, or Nature, or God...The figure 3 symbolizes the Earth. It is a figure of the terrestrial bodies...Three also refers to harmony, friendship, peace, concord, and temperance; and was so highly esteemed among the Pythagoreans that they called it perfect harmony."

    I can only hope that humans of the future will have figured out how to live in true harmony.

    Thank you, Just Plain, for sharing about your UFO sighting and the triangle marks. How long has the one on your leg been there? I've seen strobe lights, shadow things and giant blue orbs, but never an alien in my room. Did you remember seeing the being right away, or did it take a while to recall? Was it difficult to accept? I think staying brave, self-aware and independent minded are some of the most important and effective advice/courses of action one can take, as well as working always from the heart.❤so true, thank you! seizing free will and choosing love!

    Must also mention, dreams of black spiders and their shiny eyes surrounding me, enclosing me in darkness, have been recurrent since I was two. It was my earliest nightmare. As an adult, I wanted to finally defy the deeply instilled fear, so when I see spiders in real life, I now go out of my way to touch, examine, thank them and if not deadly, pick them up. (no bites so far and no more dream, thankfully!!)

    When something frightening (paranormal?) was happening to my fiance, I felt a surge of commanding love and authority within myself well up and I demanded the creature/incident stop. It did. Almost instantly. I think we are at a tremendous disadvantage when we respond to these type of experiences in fear and submission, instead of with our own strength and authority. By panicking, we lose our opportunity for conscious objection, unhindered perception and the ability to defend our rights. I really do think that our fluctuations in energy and extreme emotions are vampirized on daily scale and particularly during abduction events.

    I also feel that it is important to be able to discuss these things with others ..at least for me, because it helps me remember certain aspects. It's like brainstorming...and I've been trying really hard to understand and organize my strange experiences in a chronological and rational sense- to remember as much as possible and put them into their true context. When I try to sort things out alone, I become physically ill ( nausea, sweats, fever, headache, migraines) and have to stop...It is so bizarre: almost a physical/spiritual/mental deterrent.
    When able to share and correlate with others, though, I feel this energetic outpouring and drive.
    Does anyone else get sick when you remember your experiences, or when you start to make sense of them?

    Roguemoon, I don't know what they are, but have had very similar type of bruises from out of nowhere. What other experiences unfolded for you during 2012, if you don't mind sharing?

    Purple llama, yes, probably! I've seen the silver glowing-tipped wand thing in a dream. I know exactly what Star Mariner is referencing. I saw it being held in front of the face of a cow that was peacefully resting, eyes open, under a tree. She looked dazed and I (also in an apparent daze) was quietly appreciating the curls on her white blaze while watching the wand moved closer to her nostrils, dead center between her eyes and right in front of me, as though I was taking part. About the moment that I started to question what was happening and my role in it, my conscience started screaming. I woke up to three loud knocks on the wall above me and my dogs going berserk. That dream has troubled me since.

    As for bloody noses, I have never had one. In 2012, though, I got up one morning with immense burning inside my nose. I kept touching the side of my nose and wincing with pain throughout the day, but it wasn't until I was driving across state lines the next afternoon that I finally cocked my head back and looked in the mirror. It was driving me crazy. There was a 1/3 inch perfectly circular, gaping hole in the left-side on the septum of my nose. I showed it to a few people for confirmation of what I was seeing and then for some reason, never actually did anything more about it. It healed and I can't really see if it left a scar.

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    So many different angles to consider. I am just fascinated by everything that you are mentioning. Thank you all so much for sharing.

    Thank you, Just Plain, for sharing about your UFO sighting and the triangle marks. How long has the one on your leg been there? I've seen strobe lights, shadow things and giant blue orbs, but never an alien in my room. Did you remember seeing the being right away, or did it take a while to recall? Was it difficult to accept? I think staying brave, self-aware and independent minded are some of the most important and effective advice/courses of action one can take, as well as working always from the heart.❤so true, thank you! seizing free will and choosing love!

    Must also mention, dreams of black spiders and their shiny eyes surrounding me, enclosing me in darkness, have been recurrent since I was two. It was my earliest nightmare. As an adult, I wanted to finally defy the deeply instilled fear, so when I see spiders in real life, I now go out of my way to touch, examine, thank them and if not deadly, pick them up. (no bites so far and no more dream, thankfully!!)

    When something frightening (paranormal?) was happening to my fiance, I felt a surge of commanding love and authority within myself well up and I demanded the creature/incident stop. It did. Almost instantly. I think we are at a tremendous disadvantage when we respond to these type of experiences in fear and submission, instead of with our own strength and authority. By panicking, we lose our opportunity for conscious objection, unhindered perception and the ability to defend our rights. I really do think that our fluctuations in energy and extreme emotions are vampirized on daily scale and particularly during abduction events.

    I also feel that it is important to be able to discuss these things with others ..at least for me, because it helps me remember certain aspects. It's like brainstorming...and I've been trying really hard to understand and organize my strange experiences in a chronological and rational sense- to remember as much as possible and put them into their true context. When I try to sort things out alone, I become physically ill ( nausea, sweats, fever, headache, migraines) and have to stop...It is so bizarre: almost a physical/spiritual/mental deterrent.
    When able to share and correlate with others, though, I feel this energetic outpouring and drive.
    Does anyone else get sick when you remember your experiences, or when you start to make sense of them?
    Hi Arby, I have had that scar for more than 2 years, perhaps 3. I should make it clear that when I saw the bluish Gray I was not on my bed, I was on a slab (so I had been abducted to somewhere else). I remembered the event right away, the next morning. I think I was in a bit of shock but that wore off as the morning progressed, since it was a 'normal' morning as if nothing had happened. It wasn't that difficult to accept because I think I had been aware that this crap had been going on for a while, I guess, however, I was quite surprised that I actually remembered seeing this creature because it's so unusual, just like it was surprising to see the Ufo that was so clearly and undeniably 'abnormal'.

    Yes, love through the heart is the release from these creeps, as you found in dealing with spiders. I think it's obvious that your difficulties in analysing your experiences by yourself is a sign of subconscious implanted blockages left by those creeps to prevent you from resolving their intrusions for yourself.

    You are correct, we are being vampired every day. The negative or unconstructive thoughts that we have are usually from 'archonic' evil sources that feed on our anguish. These forces, called 'inorganic parasites' by Carlos Casteneda, work independently, and I believe in co-ordination, with these alien creeps, all part of the regime to suppress humanity. I believe they have the wealthy psychopathic human 'elites' on earth under their mind control. Not inspiring, but it helps to understand in order to forgive.

    Love and willful independence will guide us through this mess. You sound like you have been managing your problems reasonably well, Arby. Keep it up!

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