The 2nd English Civil War

[sunwings]

Brexit:

What was promised is undeliverable and what is deliverable is undesirable.

There’s not much more to it.

I fully understand this theme that the EU is just Rothschilds, Nazi or NWO. However, there is a biting reality to leaving a system which has webbed its way into every facet of life. I have friends whose businesses will be closed overnight if Britain were to leave without a deal. And let us not forget about the Irish border! My grandparents had to leave Ireland because of the troubles and yet it is being treated with absolute disdain and disrespect.

I really hate to make this personal but our sitting prime minister once arranged to have a journalist beaten up for speaking the truth! He is a man who cannot even state how many biological children he has! So that brings us to today where he has decided to close down parliament for FIVE weeks, thus avoiding PMQ´s and any scrutiny to his plans. Why? Because Boris Johnson has lost 5 of his first 5 commons votes, the first PM in history to do so.

A civil war is not how I would describe it, a coup certainly does!

[greybeard]

Posted by sunwings (here)
Brexit:

What was promised is undeliverable and what is deliverable is undesirable.

There’s not much more to it.

I fully understand this theme that the EU is just Rothschilds, Nazi or NWO. However, there is a biting reality to leaving a system which has webbed its way into every facet of life. I have friends whose businesses will be closed overnight if Britain were to leave without a deal. And let us not forget about the Irish border! My grandparents had to leave Ireland because of the troubles and yet it is being treated with absolute disdain and disrespect.

I really hate to make this personal but our sitting prime minister once arranged to have a journalist beaten up for speaking the truth! He is a man who cannot even state how many biological children he has! So that brings us to today where he has decided to close down parliament for FIVE weeks, thus avoiding PMQ´s and any scrutiny to his plans. Why? Because Boris Johnson has lost 5 of his first 5 commons votes, the first PM in history to do so.

A civil war is not how I would describe it, a coup certainly does!

I can agree with a lot of your post sunwings.
The trouble is that people dont see beyond the promeses that Dictators make--fighting for freedom a common starting point.

People start to believe that the end justify the means and thats rarely true if ever.

The small businesses are the heart of the economy they employ the most people in total--small businesses are very vulnerable and with a dramatic instant exit many, as sunwings has pointed out, will go to the wall--employees loosing their jobs, less revenue in tax for all the things the Government is currently promising.
Where is that money coming from?
Well you the tax payer.
No free lunch ever.
Small business employers feel a responsibility to their staff--the staff is their business.

Its a reality check

Anything that is built on a false premise--milk and honey-- is doomed to fail.
The ones that support dictators are very often the first to be collateral damage---the end justify s the means--only it does not.

Chris

[Peter UK]

Posted by sunwings (here)

I really hate to make this personal but our sitting prime minister once arranged to have a journalist beaten up for speaking the truth! He is a man who cannot even state how many biological children he has! So that brings us to today where he has decided to close down parliament for FIVE weeks, thus avoiding PMQ´s and any scrutiny to his plans. Why? Because Boris Johnson has lost 5 of his first 5 commons votes, the first PM in history to do so.

A civil war is not how I would describe it, a coup certainly does!

AND YET the Conservative selection process voted him in by a landslide!

What does that tell us about the state of British politics at the moment?

[greybeard]

Posted by Peter UK (here)

Posted by sunwings (here)

I really hate to make this personal but our sitting prime minister once arranged to have a journalist beaten up for speaking the truth! He is a man who cannot even state how many biological children he has! So that brings us to today where he has decided to close down parliament for FIVE weeks, thus avoiding PMQ´s and any scrutiny to his plans. Why? Because Boris Johnson has lost 5 of his first 5 commons votes, the first PM in history to do so.

A civil war is not how I would describe it, a coup certainly does!

AND YET the Conservative selection process voted him in by a landslide!

What does that tell us about the state of British politics at the moment?

If your looking for an answer it may be found here---warning spiritual content.
Not saying im correct Chris

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1313400

[Matthew]

Some MP's are still talking sense on the subject:

Ivan Lewis MP explains why democracy is important.

"[Most MP's] have displayed an increasing contempt for our duty as democrats to respect and implement the [referendum] result. They lecture others about democracy, accountability and our national interest - yet they are hell bent on frustrating the will of the majority of the people as expressed in that referendum"

"It is many of the so called progressives in this house who are fuelling right-wing extremism by showing contempt for the result and the majority who voted to leave"

The MP for Bury South makes a great point: democracy has a practical function, and our MP's take the privilege of being voted in as our representative for granted

Fox News youtube
UK Parliament votes against early election in latest blow to Boris Johnson

Direct link to Ivan's speach: https://youtu.be/ghyYynaMJgM?t=2636

Here is the whole video

Ivan Lewis starts 44 minutes into the video and ends at 49 minutes

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ghyYynaMJgM

[greybeard]

To my mind the yes vote was based on a false premise ( We would all be better off)--the public were manipulated, fed all kind of information since proved to be some what short of the truth.
Yes some knew what they were voting for--exit deal or no deal.

I have no problem with leaving but I have a problem with the lies told, and avoidance of the consequences of a no-deal by the current Government.

The TUC has now come out in favour of remain.
They are for the working population and will have fully investigated the consequences of a no deal Brexit.

A no deal will lead to untold hardship for many according to the Government report.
Trade deals can not be established the day after a no deal exit--no deal means no deal--full tariff will apply to goods in and out of UK till deals are done and that will take quite some time.

Quite a few of MPs who are angry, are for exit but with a deal---shutting down
Parliament, I suspect, is to avoid question time.
Boris is not good at answering questions and in fact avoids answering them most of the time.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I think it is now time for those who have reached voting age, since the referendum, to be allowed a referendum--the end result will affect them the most.
There is a lot more information now regarding pros and cons of leaving.
A three box one would do.
1leave without a deal
2 leave with a deal
3 dont leave.
simple.

For sure the whole situation is madness.

Chris

[Matthew]

Posted by greybeard (here)
To my mind the yes vote was based on a false premise
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That will be the Kool-Aid*1. My suggestion: don't drink it

*1 Mainstream media fear porn etc

[Baby Steps]

Here is the image of the barrier around Green Park. Vehicle barrier with holes to insert a fence perhaps

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The following may explain a possible scenario where serious strife is engineered in order to facilitate a kind of martial law:

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[greybeard]

Once upon a time I would have said "No way Baby"
Now its all so surreal --anybody's guess where all this is going.
Chris