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    Default Has anyone actually seen a Thunderbird?

    A Thunderbird is a legendary enormous bird — which (like Bigfoot!) many consider very hard to believe can possibly be real. And there are all kinds of good reasons for that.

    But here are some well-known photos, quite easy to find. There are many more.











    And a number of contemporary accounts, cited in this interesting article.
    Does anyone reading this think they may have seen one? (I've spent a lot of time in mountains all over the world, and I never have.)

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    Default Re: Has anyone actually seen a Thunderbird?

    Not a Thunderbird exactly but Jordan Maxwell states that he has had a first hand sighting of a Pterodactyl.

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    Default Re: Has anyone actually seen a Thunderbird?

    I remember the Native American Shaman Red Elk who was on Coast 3 or 4 times said in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan there was/is a major breeding ground for these Thundetbirds. I've personally never seen nor heard of one being seen.

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    Default Re: Has anyone actually seen a Thunderbird?

    An interesting report from Alaska, just last year:
    Impossibly large bird spotted in Mendenhall Valley
    1 February, 2018

    According to several eyewitness reports, a bird with a wingspan nearly the width of Mendenhall Loop Road has been spotted in the Mendenhall Valley.

    The cryptozoological curiosity stems from a post in the popular Facebook page “Juneau Community Collective,” brought to the attention of the Empire by several readers. The Empire couldn’t track down a clear explanation of what the bird was, but we did talk to some bird experts and did a little digging on similar sightings from around Alaska.

    Here’s the original post, from eyewitness Tabitha Bauer:

    “Attn; I was just driving by the movie theater in the Valley and there was a huge black bird flying above the road. The wingspan had to be at-least 20 feet, it was almost as wide as the road. I have lived here all my life and have never seen anything like that, it freaked me out. It was not a raven or an eagle. This isn’t a joke. This thing was HUGE, almost the size of a small airplane. Did anyone else see it?”

    The sighting was backed up by several others in a long comment thread on the post. Some were poking fun at the idea of a thunderbird or pterodactyl in the valley, but others weren’t so skeptical.

    Bauer, recounting the sighting to the Empire a few days after spotting the bird, said it was “like an eagle, but five times as big.” She couldn’t think of any other way to describe the odd encounter.

    She spotted it around 4 p.m. on Jan. 16, what would have been dusk. Bauer was driving to the bank, alone in her car.

    “Right before the movie theater, I looked ahead of me and it was towards Superbear direction,” Bauer said, referencing the grocery store in the Mendenhall Mall and Gross Alaska Theatre’s Glacier Cinema.

    There was rain on her windshield, so she turned on her wipers to clear the view.

    That was when she saw a massive, jet-black bird with a short tail flying level with the treetops over Mendenhall Loop Road toward her. Bauer said the bird flapped its wings, soared a little higher, and flew at a fast clip over her car about 50 feet in the air.

    “I looked up and right at that point, there was a gigantic, huge black bird flying right above my truck. It was basically following the roadway along the treetops.

    “I slowed down to try to get a better look at it. It was heading toward the glacier, the wingspan was almost as wide as the road,” Bauer said, adding, “It was the biggest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. It was very concerning. I’ve never seen anything like that.”

    Bauer said that it definitely had feathers, but she couldn’t make out a beak.

    “The body of it itself had to have been six to eight feet,” Bauer said. “I know it sounds nuts — I’ve been getting a lot of crap on Facebook about it like I am crazy — but I wanted to post it in case anyone else had seen it.”

    Another woman, who asked that the Empire use only her first name, Diane, said she saw something very similar — this time perched, or attempting to perch, in a tree near her house late at night a few years ago.

    Diane went out to smoke a cigarette at her Lemon Creek home and noticed that all the birds in the area were excited.

    “All you heard was the whooshing sound in my tree. I went inside and grabbed a flashlight. It was so large, I couldn’t even get an outline of what type of bird it was,” Diane said.

    Diane noticed downed branches littered her yard in the morning.

    “That sounds crazy, but it was huge,” she said. “I don’t even go camping anymore.”

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    Both of these accounts sound similar to a national headline-making event in 2002, when a very large bird was spotted in Southcentral Alaska.

    A heavy equipment operator from Togiak spotted the bird then.

    “At first I thought it was one of those old-time Otter planes,” the Alaska Dispatch News (now the Anchorage Daily News) quoted Moses Coupchiak, 43, a heavy equipment operator from Togiak, as saying. “Instead of continuing toward me, it banked to the left, and that’s when I noticed it wasn’t a plane.”

    So what could this be? It’s debatable what the biggest bird in Alaska is, but one candidate is the black-footed albatross, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service raptor biologist Steve Lewis said. They can have a wingspan of 6-8 feet.

    But it’s highly unlikely an albatross would venture into the valley. Strong winds can sometimes blow an albatross inland, but they’re generally ocean-going birds that stick to the coast, Lewis said.

    “Over the water there’s a potential to see something that may have wings like an albatross, but wouldn’t be jet black and wouldn’t be over the valley at all,” Lewis said.

    The Stellar’s Eagle is another candidate. Like the black-footed albatross, those can have a wingspan of 6-8 feet. They generally don’t venture as far north as Juneau, but as recently as the 1990s they were consistently spotted only a few miles from Juneau on the Taku River, near Canada.

    A third, and more likely explanation is that the bird was an immature female bald eagle. Those are the largest birds that are frequently in the area, Lewis said. Young bald eagles have bigger feathers than older eagles, he explained, which aid them as they learn to fly and can make them look larger than they are.

    Female bald eagles are generally larger than their male counterparts, Lewis added. Their job in a mating pair is to defend the nest, so it helps to be big and imposing to scare off potential nest robbers.

    Bauer and Diane were both adamant about the size of the bird, so neither the albatross, Steller’s eagle or immature female bald eagle squares with their account. They’re both too small and the wrong colors.

    The Federal Aviation Administration didn’t return calls to this story, but since both eyewitnesses described seeing this thing flap its wings, it’s unlikely it was a glider or a large drone, by their accounts.

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    Default Re: Has anyone actually seen a Thunderbird?

    I'm still convinced of my own sighting one August evening in 2009.

    This thing was an off-white, sort of milky yellow-ish colour, and the wings, which were massive, were like leather, very pterodactyl-ish. It had a beak like that of a parrot, and when it stopped mid-air and looked at me....... It was hyper-real. It was without doubt one of the strangest things I've ever witnessed. Everything about the event was peculiar. Other animals were involved, it was their sounds of distress that first alerted me, 'time' behaved differently, my actions/re-actions were not how I'd normally react....... And then the psychology afterward, it was all very strange. Doubting myself, doubting what it was I'd seen....... Very strange.

    So yes, I'm a firm believer that there are, potentially, very large creatures out there, on land, sea and air, that are adept to keeping themselves from view and only being seen when they want to be seen.

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    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    I'm still convinced of my own sighting one August evening in 2009.

    This thing was an off-white, sort of milky yellow-ish colour, and the wings, which were massive, were like leather, very pterodactyl-ish. It had a beak like that of a parrot, and when it stopped mid-air and looked at me....... It was hyper-real. It was without doubt one of the strangest things I've ever witnessed. Everything about the event was peculiar. Other animals were involved, it was their sounds of distress that first alerted me, 'time' behaved differently, my actions/re-actions were not how I'd normally react....... And then the psychology afterward, it was all very strange. Doubting myself, doubting what it was I'd seen....... Very strange.

    So yes, I'm a firm believer that there are, potentially, very large creatures out there, on land, sea and air, that are adept to keeping themselves from view and only being seen when they want to be seen.
    Nothing to see here, move along

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    While getting a ride in an Uber last year in the Palm Springs area, the driver and I got talking about Contact in the Desert conference which was held nearby, so we quickly got onto ' unusual' topics and he told me he had recently seen, in broad daylight, a huge bird that he described as looking like a pterodactyl, his wife saw it too. They were gobsmacked, but later no one else seems to have seen it (wasn't reported on etc.) He was dead serious and sober.

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    Quote Posted by graciousb (here)
    While getting a ride in an Uber last year in the Palm Springs area, the driver and I got talking about Contact in the Desert conference which was held nearby, so we quickly got onto ' unusual' topics and he told me he had recently seen, in broad daylight, a huge bird that he described as looking like a pterodactyl, his wife saw it too. They were gobsmacked, but later no one else seems to have seen it (wasn't reported on etc.) He was dead serious and sober.
    It makes me wonder whether the concept of a Pterodactyl is broader and more readily accepted in the consciousness of humanity than a Thunderbird. If that was the case then it is entirely possible that some of these pterodactyl sightings are in fact thunderbirds but overlaid with the impression of being pterodactyls.

    However this would not rule out pterodactyls being witnessed which is pretty amazing!
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    Default Re: Has anyone actually seen a Thunderbird?

    Years ago I was given a book - almost like a kids encyclopedia of the weird called "Magic and Supernatural" - ( very odd book - with a pentagram on the hard cover under the jacket - spooked a few people that saw it !! )
    I was given it due to the fact it had a photograph of Salvador Dali in an animated pose in mid air by Philippe Halsman, called "Dalí Atomicus" and I was (and still am) a fan of Dali's technique and works.

    Heres the cover I just found



    If I remember rightly there was a picture of a "Thunderbird" in the book - possibly the one Bill posted at top that can't be attributed to anything.
    Wish i still had it - very interesting book as I remember.

    EDIT *

    Just found a youtube flick through of the book - not got time to look myself yet but a thunderbird pic is in here I'm sure.

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    People, credible people, professors even have reported in recent years seeing a real live pterodactyl in New Zealand. This was on a report in one of Gabi Plumm's videos on youtube I believe. It was aired in Australia also.
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    Seems as though it’s an illustration after all.

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    Default Re: Has anyone actually seen a Thunderbird?

    Not the zoological kind, but, just so Satanists can't take all the credit:






    Thunderbird Senya is a melting pot of military and lightning terms, but is also the vehicle of Soma or nectar of immortality. This becomes Garuda, i. e. Vishnu's bird, which is finite time, which attacks or kills the serpent of infinite time. The bird cannot ultimately win that contest, since the serpent is infinite and keeps coming back, any finite time cycle eventually dissipates. So it is more interesting to me that this was understood in some way across Asia, but, at least now, is venerated more for Soma purposes.

    In Buddhism, Garuda is a very powerful Yidam or meditational deity. It has several forms, applications, or rites, but in the Sakya school, multi-colored or Shabala Garuda, similar to the one in Kalachakra, is an extremely esoteric meditation which would be considered above or beyond Vajrayogini.

    The Kalachakra version bites a snake:






    Whereas the Sakya version holds a wish-fulfilling jewel in its right hand. This one is similar, also having snakes in its hair:





    I am not sure about an objective one, but the subjective one has been fine all along. It has an Asian if not world-wide myth, has everything to do with Tvastr and Indian lore about nectar, and, in our schools at least, is still being employed to a high degree of efficiency. Electricity is the prime mover of any material manifestation, it is the difference between a living and dead human body, most indications are that we are talking about "the most powerful thing". It is not the devil, or the creator, it is something more like "the way energy works", which can be used by a human as a weapon or as a healer.

    I haven't seen it, but I consider myself on a sort of pilgrimage that way. Even having pursued things like magic and yoga meditation for forty years, this is absolutely something I would not "tinker" with, and just try to gain an awareness of it.

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    Quote Posted by Wansen (here)
    Seems as though it’s an illustration after all.

    https://vividvisuals.co.uk/x5-fantas...y-chris-smith/


    That's a shame! (He's VERY good)

    ....but I wonder what they were actually holding?

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Wansen (here)
    Seems as though it’s an illustration after all.

    https://vividvisuals.co.uk/x5-fantas...y-chris-smith/
    That's a shame! (He's VERY good)

    ....but I wonder what they were actually holding?
    According to the creator, fruit-bat wings were used. The rest of the picture was a compilation of roughly 15-20 other images.
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    There are reports of pterodactyl sightings from all around the world. Here's a webpage specifically devoted to sightings of a smaller size pterodactyl often seen in Papua New Guinea. I personally haven't seen any. http://www.ropens.com

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    Default Re: Has anyone actually seen a Thunderbird?

    Hi their Bill n all.
    Interesting post Bill.

    I believe I have seen 3 in two occasions.
    Two where way off in the distance, relatively low height, they where slowly flying around each other as in courtship or just trying to gain more height in a thermal, up-draft.
    The distance away from me was quite away off but these two bird like creatures where massive.

    I say bird like creatures because they first reminded me of winged Sumerians



    Slow deliberate arm/wing movements.
    I did notice at times they seemed to hang in the air without action for longer than they should have without dropping height.

    The third one, months latter was very high above me and moving fast, not much time to observe.
    It did look more like a being with flapping wings than a bird though.

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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Hi their Bill n all.
    Interesting post Bill.

    I believe I have seen 3 in two occasions.
    Two where way off in the distance, relatively low height, they where slowly flying around each other as in courtship or just trying to gain more height in a thermal, up-draft.
    The distance away from me was quite away off but these two bird like creatures where massive.

    I say bird like creatures because they first reminded me of winged Sumerians



    Slow deliberate arm/wing movements.
    Quote I did notice at times they seemed to hang in the air without action for longer than they should have without dropping height.
    Thank you Sunny-side-Up.

    That is EXACTLY what happened during my sighting. It rose-up from behind a thicket, flapped it's wings once and came to a stop, mid-air, directly at my head-height (which was about 25' as I had my head out of a first-floor window). The distance it travelled with that one wing flap was about 80', I remember thinking it was too far to travel on one flap of its wings......... When it came to a stop, which lasted about 3 seconds, it turned it's head and looked directly at me, that's when time/space around me went....... I dunno, don't have the words to explain it really....... Funny. It was still looking at me as it flapped it's wings again and it was gone, completely silently too.

    Just very, very strange.

    What I've written here about it, (also on another thread way back a time ago) is the most I've ever talked about it. I mean, how could you bring this up in convo without anyone thinking that you're a fruit-loop?

    When I read post's like yours Sunny, I do a little wry-smile, and a little nod of the head.


    Thanks for that.
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    One of the amazing things about starting a thread like this asking some unusual question which hasn't necessarily been broached before, is just how many experiences lay unspoken awaiting the opportunity to be voiced. Many experiences are explored and voiced of course but the sheer variety of hitherto unknowns amongst members is something that shouldnt amaze us here at Avalon and yet frequently does. Testimony to a rich membership!

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    In think that the american indians called the loud crafts that their "gods" came down in thunderbirds, since they had no better word for it.

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    They tell you the thunderbird got it's name from preceding storm fronts feeding on the insects high up being pushed in big clouds of them ahead of the storm. Since the birds showed up when the thunder did with the storms they called them Thunderbirds!
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