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    We've had our share of "troubled youth" on Avalon. Here's a startling story:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...ion/ar-AAIq0O7

    The generation that sees everything as AWESOME and AMAZING is not so happy after all.

    I blame computers. From the beginning of the personal computer in the early 80s, computer-generated acknowledgment was always overly positive, with exclamation points! This generation was encouraged to be phony:
    "could I get some cream with my coffee?" "Sure." "Awesome! And this McDonald's coffee is amazing!"
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    Thanks for posting this, TomKat.

    "There are a few reasons behind the uptick, one of which is that young adults are more inclined to engage in risk-taking behaviors. However, the report also identified other structural factors at play - namely the many financial problems millennials are facing: student loan debt, healthcare, childcare, and an expensive housing market.

    These four costs are part of The Great American Affordability Crisis plaguing millennials that's putting them financially behind."

    Is the same downward trend in mental health affecting millennials in other countries?

    My younger sister, called me not too long ago and when I asked her what she was doing home during her usual work day, she replied," I'm taking a mental health day."

    A what??!? "You actually told your department that you needed a "mental health" day?!"

    In her line of work, to me, I would have thought admitting to mental health anything would be grounds for termination or separation.

    This is a whole new concept for me, the article explains a lot... I find my two younger sisters much less able to handle things that my generation, and those older than us, generally took in stride.

    Things seemed so different just a short time ago. It's very disturbing that our youth are faced with so much all at once, as though teetering on the brink of breaking. :-( The article mentions a shift in awareness but this is much more than that... it is definitely a wakeup call.
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    Quote Posted by arborealis (here)
    Thanks for posting this, TomKat.

    "These four costs are part of The Great American Affordability Crisis plaguing millennials that's putting them financially behind."

    Is the same downward trend in mental health affecting millennials in other countries?

    My younger sister, called me not too long ago and when I asked her what she was doing home during her usual work day, she replied," I'm taking a mental health day."

    A what??!? "You actually told your department that you needed a "mental health" day?!"

    In her line of work, to me, I would have thought admitting to mental health anything would be grounds for termination or separation.

    This is a whole new concept for me, the article explains a lot... I find my two younger sisters much less able to handle things that my generation, and those older than us, generally took in stride.

    Things seemed so different just a short time ago.
    Maybe we had our souls crushed at such an early age, we don't feel as much as we should.

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    maybe... but there is something more going on than just being more sympathetic and aware of mental health issues which the article mentions ...there's an increase in incidence along with awareness.
    I remember reading a few years ago about the new classifications for different illnesses- things that previously had never been considered illnesses and I wondered at the time how that would affect people...
    whether being told you are unwell and classified that way actually reinforces it instead of addressing and healing the problem.

    Increased awareness and support should be improving the numbers not witnessing an increase in suicides and illness. :-( I guess so many things are contributing to this...it's an onslaught
    against those who should be our happiest, healthiest and most vibrant members of society. This spells a crisis.
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    I think sometimes labeling an illness can really complicate a person’s
    Life at a young age….I am very aware there are true health problems out there.
    I think I can explain it better by sharing an experience.
    My little great granddaughter at the age of barely eighteen months could
    Not walk, but she did get around quickly scooting from room to room.
    Well someone had mentioned to her mother that she should be checked out
    By a doctor, so they took her out of town to a specialist, who in turn didn’t
    Even check her out, but labeled her as having “sensory processing disorder”,
    Which there are children that do have this complication, but to not even
    Examine her. She turned nineteen months today, and is walking .
    Sometimes we don’t all fit the mold right when society thinks we should, but
    In our own time. In fact….I had a niece who didn’t cut a tooth until she was two years old.
    Sometimes labeling someone can hinder their progress I think.

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    Tomkat... Maybe you are right about computers, because these days, everyone seems glued to their devices. There might, in addition to an element of emotional and intellectual superficiality that was spawned over the years, also be a matter of blue light exposure in conjunction with all of the chemicals we are bombarded with in food and environment, particularly things that would be immune disruptors and cause adrenal issues. When the adrenals or immune system are constantly bombarded, the body cannot handle additional stressors, be they physical or emotional. Things that, maybe, we were not exposed to or saturated with in previous generations. (?)
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    Quote Posted by Sadieblue (here)
    I think sometimes labeling an illness can really complicate a person’s
    Life at a young age….I am very aware there are true health problems out there.
    I think I can explain it better by sharing an experience.
    My little great granddaughter at the age of barely eighteen months could
    Not walk, but she did get around quickly scooting from room to room.
    Well someone had mentioned to her mother that she should be checked out
    By a doctor, so they took her out of town to a specialist, who in turn didn’t
    Even check her out, but labeled her as having “sensory processing disorder”,
    Which there are children that do have this complication, but to not even
    Examine her. She turned nineteen months today, and is walking .
    Sometimes we don’t all fit the mold right when society thinks we should, but
    In our own time. In fact….I had a niece who didn’t cut a tooth until she was two years old.
    Sometimes labeling someone can hinder their progress I think.
    Sadieblue,

    Thank you for sharing that. Very happy for your great grand daughter to surprise everyone and prove the doctor wrong. I feel like some doctors try to label everything
    even when nothing is wrong, and it can be tremendously hindering to confidence, wellbeing and individual development. :-) You so beautifully put it, "Sometimes we don’t
    all fit the mold right when society thinks we should, but In our own time. "

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    This is such a huge topic and that in itself is a reflection of how many things are affecting the kids these days. The internet brings so much into their lives so quickly.

    Then there is advertising and how that is playing at molding their lives. The PTB manipulating things to brainwash and program people's minds.

    Medicine - in particular vaccinations.

    Food.

    Phones.

    How will A.I. play with all of this? Imagine how things could go in China - I would not want to be a kid in public school with cameras judging every face I made. It will be interesting to see how those kids are affected. The parents are already greatly affected. If you look at houses for sale in North America and look at homes that are owned by Chinese investors you will see a house with a camera in almost every room and corner. This will affect a child if they are growing up knowing that they are always being watched and/or recorded.

    No wonder kids have mental health issues. And if they don't, they are probably going to pretend that they do to either get away and get a break or maybe they need attention from a human being and being sic is one of the only ways to get it.

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    I think much of the issues are embedded in that youth are promised the world with cheap promises of you can be anything you like in the world and not really learning anything of significant worth in school life to prepare you for the world at large or the way life is in the working world at all.
    Ignorant beyond belief of things to come and it hits them like a brick wall at a age where there is no longer any support to take care of it. Your of adult age and on your own to deal with it with no real skills of actual need in the world at large. You learnt much of nothing in school years and played around most of if it and suddenly you need to know it all just like that when your at work needing to handle finances and issues at large caused by peers and whatnot.

    I was kinda late to get into work life as I had it kinda comfy home and minimal costs but damn when I started working. I was kinda shocked at the people around. The 'Quality' was abysmal. I never thought this kind of behaviour I encountered was real life... I didn't even encounter this kind of level of folks in all my school years at all but rare glimpse of the bullies or bad people skipping school. I wasn't a target of their mischievous behaviour but had a try or two.

    To be had the workplace was in a rural place and low-wage for the whole industry and area as a whole. I was just needing any work I could get at the moment and this was my first place so I stuck around and dealt with it. I had the energy having been lazying around for so long.
    People were kinda impressed on the quality of my work and the the enthusiasm I put into it. I was on the level of the regulars in a months time basically and surpassed many in the amount of work I got done thereafter.
    As such there were people as then who would "utilize" me to do their work in various unethical ways. We had a chronic work skipper who would do minimal amount of work and find all kinds of excuses to change work or do something else of nothing in practicality of worth and I had to mostly jump in and take over.
    Well non the less he was the joker of the place and fit in as such but none liked his work ethics though.
    I stuck around a few years but finally had enough and quit not long ago as I had enough buffers to manage for a while as I calm down. I stayed longer than I had thought as no other work was found.

    Most were people younger than me at the place but even the individual older ones I found lacking in ethics and mannerism all the new people we got and left damn... I never thought this was so widespread with the lack of work ethics in the world. None were there because they liked it, only for the money and stability a stable workplace gives(full-time 40hours a week). But none wanted overtime as the work was so intensive and tiring after all. You were out energy from every damn day basically. The boss often blasted us for not wanting "free money" for overtime which was often needed because of understaffed for the amount of work required.
    Anyway most left as they found better paying easier work around. I left because it was just a damn utterly deplorable community with the workforce, pay was not increasing as I had hoped either and the new boss was disappointing in knowledge. I dread what future will be for the place. Even though we were "the best profitable" branch of the whole larger Company in the world in my time there.

    Basically combine NEO-NAZI and racists working in tandem with immigrants who had lived in Sweden as long as some were old and newcomers from War countries the last few years.
    I could not find people to mingle with really but adapted as well as I could. In the end the ones I could get along with left the place after a couple years and the replacements were more of the kind you usually don't want to associate with in "normal life" unless you want to invite trouble. I could get along with most there in the end but damn the gossip and talk I had to hear. Everyone seemed to trust me so I heard all sides and in the end that kinda strained some relations as well in the end as I would not commit to their sides of the arguments.
    No wonder people get issues if the people they have to deal with are like this. Complaints was the norm from all kinds of things in life. I don't like to hear complaints the least of all damn things in life myself at all.
    Complete mismatch.

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    Well, it is "awesome" flipped around to be about some external object, rather than internal of a person.

    The cream? That's not cream, it may have some in it, but is mostly a chemistry lesson. In the U. S., I guess most taste buds are oriented to High Fructose Corn Syrup. Most of anything you can get is mostly made out of corn, thanks to subsidies.

    I am afraid most of the younger ones "never had a chance" since their whole environment was so artificial, mixed with some type of emotional excitement about how good the "approved thing" was. Here, we have lost whatever it was that makes "quality people" and descended to mass production cheaply.

    The "new problems", physical or mental, are so weak, it is hard to take them seriously. I wonder how many mental health days were taken by four-year-old Welsh kids spending sixteen hours in coal mines?

    There is probably an inverse relationship between "natural whole person" and "new shiny toys". Give you new disorders so you become dependent on treatment seems to be what happens around here.

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    Millenials are the most **** upon generation who ever lived. They have problems boomers can't begin to imagine. Some of them are rightly jaded and antagonistic to older generations for darned good reason. We look like complete freaking fools to them. We yang on about our spiritual journeys when many of them have survival issues to worry about.

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    Socialist School succeed in dumbing down the people all I can say.

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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    We've had our share of "troubled youth" on Avalon. Here's a startling story:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...ion/ar-AAIq0O7

    The generation that sees everything as AWESOME and AMAZING is not so happy after all.

    I blame computers. From the beginning of the personal computer in the early 80s, computer-generated acknowledgment was always overly positive, with exclamation points! This generation was encouraged to be phony:
    "could I get some cream with my coffee?" "Sure." "Awesome! And this McDonald's coffee is amazing!"
    This statistic doesn't surprise me at all. Millennials are the first generation to be mass-vaccinated. There are likely other environmental triggers, yes. But in my estimation this one factor alone likely contributes to a whole host of issues we know not what, nor will fully understand until millennials themselves enter into their old age and live through their entire life spans (which I would bet the farm will be shorter and sicklier than the generations before them).

    The generations before received two or three vaccinations, maybe four. Millennials received up to 50 shots and kids today are subject to 72 doses of neurotoxic injections before they turn eighteen years old. At the rate we are going with the incipience of compulsory medical procedures, the younger generations will likely continue taking vaccinations well into their twenties and thirties and forties.

    We already know vaccinations are directly linked a vast array of autoimmune diseases and varying degrees of autism on the autism disorder spectrum. Not being able to cope with life and other mental-health complications are conditions we may not officially recognize on the autism spectrum, but I would suggest these type of behavioral symptoms are but mild and non-diagnosed forms of autism caused by the onslaught of aluminum, mercury, and formaldehyde we are injecting into the bodies of our children.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the mortality of rate of millennials in their 50s and early 60s to be 10x the rate of their parents and grandparents.
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    Quote Posted by Sadieblue (here)
    I think sometimes labeling an illness can really complicate a person’s
    Life at a young age….I am very aware there are true health problems out there.
    I think I can explain it better by sharing an experience.
    My little great granddaughter at the age of barely eighteen months could
    Not walk, but she did get around quickly scooting from room to room.
    Well someone had mentioned to her mother that she should be checked out
    By a doctor, so they took her out of town to a specialist, who in turn didn’t
    Even check her out, but labeled her as having “sensory processing disorder”,
    Which there are children that do have this complication, but to not even
    Examine her. She turned nineteen months today, and is walking .
    Sometimes we don’t all fit the mold right when society thinks we should, but
    In our own time. In fact….I had a niece who didn’t cut a tooth until she was two years old.
    Sometimes labeling someone can hinder their progress I think.
    It's generally not a good idea to let your kid (or self) get diagnosed with any kind of mental disorder. It will follow them their whole life. The typical shrink has more problems than his patients, and there is the matter of projection.

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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the mortality of rate of millennials in their 50s and early 60s to be 10x the rate of their parents and grandparents.
    That would be an ideal situation for the govt. Let them die off while still working rather than collecting retirement benefits. Let's face it, once you stop paying income tax and start collecting retirement, the govt wants you dead. Especially if you're not voting the correct way.

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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the mortality of rate of millennials in their 50s and early 60s to be 10x the rate of their parents and grandparents.
    Life Expectancy is already going down in the US, probably for a combination of many reasons. But vaccines must certainly be a biggie.

    Quote CDC Data Show U.S. Life Expectancy Continues to Decline
    "The latest CDC data show that the U.S. life expectancy has declined over the past few years," said CDC Director Robert Redfield, M.D., in a Nov. 29 statement.
    CDC Data Show U.S. Life Expectancy Continues to Decline
    "We're all bozos on this bus"

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    I don't think there's one singular cause but I bet a lot of our (millennial's) mental health issues is due to gaming and electronic addiction.

    There are 2 types of millennials; folks like me who grew up pre internet craze and the others who grew up at a time where everyone had a PC in the house with internet connection. Electronics addiction is relatively new and not fully understood or taken seriously. It absolutely is real and can be a problem. I thank god I grew up playing football with friends, riding bikes, going camping and having a blast while doing it.

    For the baby boomers I'd ask you what did you do when yall were kids and on summer break from school? How many channels were on TV at the time? What video game consoles did you have? How much time did you stay inside and what time did you go to bed?

    My generation is where the shift towards staying inside really started to happen. Modern games can be incredibly immersive, it would be very easy to blow through 6 hours playing 1 game. The problem here is the games are just too damn fun. This is why folks get addicted to drugs. You know why cocaine is addictive? Because it's just so much fun, it makes your problems go away and your celebrations greater.

    Also like a drug, gaming can take you to lows. A youtube search of folks freaking out while gaming will come up with endless results of people yelling at the top of their lungs, throwing controllers and punching monitors. Good and bad emotions, think of what that is doing to ones mind while that person is just sitting inside putting themselves through that experience. Constant highs and lows and there is no real reward.

    Online gaming is especially sketchy. There are kids playing with adults and they talk crap to each other. I don't play online games anymore but back when I did years ago I had to protect a kid from being bullied. He communicating in game by typing instead of using his mic cause he was scared the other folks would make fun of him for having a high voice.

    Millenials I'm not even worried about, it's the next generation. They are so screwed. I was walking my dog last week and a kid was screaming at his mom cause she took his cell phone away from him.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: we should all have to go primitive camping at least once a year as a sort of detox. There's nothing to do when the sun goes down, either stare at the fire (which gets boring) or go to sleep.
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    My understanding is the main statistical factor in decline of U. S. life expectancy is opioids.

    When I was young, there was no such thing as a synthetic opioid. I can't remember the name of the movie, but they showed us something narrated by Bill Cosby that showed what "the real thing" can do to you, and that thwarted any curiosity I never had.

    72 vaccinations now? I didn't realize it had run that far. I guess these are the ones that mainly don't work, but are cross-contaminated with at least twenty-six things that aren't healthy at all. That stuff really needs to take a back seat to ordinary sanitation and washing your hands.

    Especially during the summer, everyone used to live outside. Nobody locked their doors, it was "small town" and everybody knew everybody. I used to walk wherever I wanted and start talking to anybody, even adults. I'm sure you'd go straight to jail if you let this happen any more. It is creepy how the land has been cleansed of people.

    I am not that old and we had the early pcs, gaming consoles, and cable tv, and I spent about a year drowning in the stuff until I realized it was not at all what I wanted, and I kicked it to the curb. I thought I might get away from it these days by entering a "no phones" workplace, but, the people who are supposed to get you in trouble for doing it, are stuck on their phones the same way. If it is quiet, I can stand there and watch every human being nose down into the damn thing.

    Since everything has been going exactly backwards while I have been alive, nothing is really a surprise, you get unending war backed by unstoppable debts, increased by more medical expenses whose main aim is to grab your property. It is an insane man-made situation, understandably difficult to pull through with a sound mind. I can somewhat understand how my parents' generation was swindled by patriotic propaganda and a devout admiration for "the system", but this seems inexcusable now. It is a failure.

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again: we should all have to go primitive camping at least once a year as a sort of detox. There's nothing to do when the sun goes down, either stare at the fire (which gets boring) or go to sleep.
    I do feel that the disconnect from nature plays a huge part in well-being, including physical, mental, and spiritual. Camping would be a good start, but once a year doesn't seem like nearly enough.
    But Strat - after the sun goes down there's still plenty to do! Singing, story-telling, jokes (or tokes ), reading a book by flashlight... just enjoying the stars. (I love staring at the fire, myself.)
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    Hello,

    I've been reading this thread since it opened and i have about to post several times but i backtracked so many times. Have to say that i did not want to turn this into an "Us vs them" scenario, or even worse "Me vs you" :/

    But i think there's some kind of disconnection between previous generation and current one, or "Generation Z" and younger "Millennials" (I don't love labels )

    I'm not feeling very comfortable addressing this, very honestly, so i would just like to point a few things and then let the conversation continue.

    So here are some point from my side, i guess i could say "from the other perspective" and i don't mean to disrespect anyone i'm just trying to voice my perspective of things ok guys?


    1. I'm expected to know everything, because i'm younger and "young people are smart and learn fast"
    2. If i get to work and do something better than the older guy, then i'm trying to make him/her look bad or showing off
    3. I have to learn at least 3 times the amount of stuff people from previous generations had to learn, to do the same job, and do it on the same amount of hours/months/years
    4. I'm expected to know it all because i am expected to be "professional" and point number 1
    5. But don't ever question the person with more experience because obviously you can't know more than someone with 20 years of experience "you kids think you know it all"
    6. If you answer a question with stuff the elders don't understand, you mostly get shutdown on your proposal, since they can't control it and its "going to get out of control" in my hands, because i'm young and inexperienced
    7. If a new project that requires modern technologies comes around and no elder knows or cares to learn about it, then it falls on the younglings, "because they are smart and learn faster and are better prepared"
    8. If said project fails then it's because of the younglings, because "they are too young and don't know how things work and are very unexperienced to take it on, we should have used older technologies we all understand and are well set and proven"

    I had an experience some weeks ago, basically trying to point out some issues with someone's opinion, it went something like this

    Me: "This may be wrong because of this reason"
    He: "Young lady, i know you have read a lot of books, but i am older than you, and i have read even more, when you were drinking your milk i was already reading more advanced books than you are right now. So go to sleep and let me handle this"

    That kind of attitude i have seen a lot in the past year, since i started 'working", it almost seems like i should expect it

    I'm not bitter no Just want to point out something that seems to be missing on this conversation but i believe someone mentioned a bit about it

    Basically, you are young so you are expected to deal with everything older people can't, but at the same time you are not capable because you are young.

    If you succeed, great! Keep working hard!
    If you fail, bad! You are young and dumb, maybe we made a mistake with you

    We are hired with a miserable salary but expected to act like we have 10+ years of experience. Any error is cause for possibly being let go, any success is just a normal day. Don't tell the kid she's smart, she may believe it, if she succeeds, let's just tell her she did fine, but if she fails, let's hit her with the entire misery we carry on our souls so she becomes like us

    LMAO

    Yes i know i'm taking things out of proportion, but the general message i want to say is this. There's a lot of expectations from people who also will constantly remind you that you can't be better or smarter because you must be dumber because you are just a kid and don't think your education is better than my experience

    So after all that rant The question would be

    Who would love to live a life like that? Would you not just say f*k it i don't need this, i need to go away from this toxicity?

    I think there's a big disconnection between each generation, starting from the fact that people don't realise that younger generations have to learn all the past generation's stuff plus the new stuff, adding a new layer on top of it while still being required to achieve more in the same amount of time and without any complaining or they are considered weak because "in my days..."

    It seems we are on a constant loop. I wonder if someday i will have grand children and i will tell them, i was 22 when A.I. really started to become smart!

    And they will say "Yeeeeeees grandma you said that before, i'll go to the moon now in my home built space scooter, see you in three days granny!"

    The thing is, i will probably bully them a lot, maybe causing them to not want to be around me or my "experienced self" much more than going to the store to pick up a can of soda

    Then i will think they are ill or not well mentally because i have my own set of rules about life they don't want to participate in (therefore they are weak/mentally unhealthy because i was able to live through all of it and they can't/will not suffer through it as i did)

    I'm not trying to antagonize anyone so please forgive if i'm seem rude or hateful, i'm just trying to show how it feels to be on this side and how it is mostly overlooked when considering causes of the "health" problem this thread is about
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