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    Like Trump or not this speech is incredibly moving and significant. This is the kind of speech that got JFK killed. The whole world needs to see this. I honestly cried while watching, knowing what I do about all our illegal wars started with lies which have killed, maimed or displaced millions of human beings.
    I showed this video to my wife and she was amazed she hasn’t seen this all over social media and the MSM. My reply was that the corporations and globalists don’t want anyone seeing anything positive about Trump. Now you get to see at least one! Well, until it gets banned. I have seen the view numbers go down already!

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    So far too much of what you have just written screams clickbait.

    This feels very much like a marketing campaign.

    Can you please give a summary or something?

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    Bring em home to send them elsewhere?

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    Yes, that was quite moving.

    It felt like he had imagined having to watch one of his own children brought back knowing it would break his heart, displaying genuine empathy as a parent.

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    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)
    So far too much of what you have just written screams clickbait.

    This feels very much like a marketing campaign.

    Can you please give a summary or something?
    Watch the video. It will take about 3 minutes of your time. Much better than a summary.

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    Besides the corny violin in the background, here's the first thing that bothered me about, what I consider to be, a stirring piece of pure propaganda. Why don't we look at what our politicians are actually doing, and advocating for, rather than what they SAY they want and are doing?

    As a mother, I fully understand how bitterly painful it is to watch widows, and now fatherless children grieving over those flag draped coffin at Dover AFB, but what almost no one seems to ever give a flying flip about is how exponentially more of these personal tragedies are created over seas in foreign lands by this military and economic machine.

    Why do we not grieve for the suffering we cause around the world? Every. Single. Day...

    If Trump has such deep empathy for suffering and loss of human life, why did he override congress and the senate to continue aiding the Saudis in their pillaging of Yemen? How many hundreds of thousands have already suffered and died there, and continue to suffer and die there?

    It's as if they aren't Americans it just doesn't matter...



    Here was the grand finale from that video

    Quote We were supposed to be in Syria for 30 days, we've now been there for 10 years.
    Yet we're still there. We just backed off to let Turkey do their border corridor thing. We lost the battle (with the aid of ISIS) to topple Assad, so we're now resorting to strangling them with siege warfare (nicely called sanctions now). This makes the people suffer and die, not their governments. Why is he okay with this?

    We're also strangling Venezuela. This makes the people suffer and die, not their governments. Why is he okay with this?

    Quote We were supposed to be in Afghanistan for a short period of time, we're now going to be there for close to 19 years.
    Yet we're still there.

    We're still trying to strangle Russia and Iran, and we have them both encircled with our military. We're still entrenched in the Middle East, and all over the world for that matter, with no end in sight.

    Quote It's time to bring em home, it's time to bring em home.

    Bring our troops back home!
    Then why isn't he actually doing something about it???

    Trump, or any of them for that matter, can whisper sweet nothings in my ear all they want, but it's their actions I pay attention to.

    Don't tell me, don't try to make me cry with fluff and flag draped coffins, just show me Mr. President.

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    Default Re: Incredibly significant presidential statement

    I lost a son but not in the war. I can attest to all the emotions, the helplessness and wanting to hold your loved one for one last time.

    The greater message is: S-T-O-P it A-L-L. This need to hurt, maim, kill, control is absolute craziness.

    Thanks for posting it, Matt.
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    In the UK what gets me is the adverts for the forces--Born in ~~~~~made in the Army
    Be one of the boys--or girls
    Its like selling a video game
    Being sold a bill of goods.
    There should be a law against these miss-leading adverts

    They dont show inconvenient footage of legless soldiers--blown up by mines probably made in UK or USA originally.
    They dont show soldiers stressed out with what they have seen and done.

    A lot of fuss about tobacco--cancer kills.
    They should ban making armaments.
    One aircraft carrier costs billions two thousand sailors on board--one direct hit and its gone--madness.
    Protecting us against what?
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Besides the corny violin in the background, here's the first thing that bothered me about, what I consider to be, a stirring piece of pure propaganda. Why don't we look at what our politicians are actually doing, and advocating for, rather than what they SAY they want and are doing?

    As a mother, I fully understand how bitterly painful it is to watch widows, and now fatherless children grieving over those flag draped coffin at Dover AFB, but what almost no one seems to ever give a flying flip about is how exponentially more of these personal tragedies are created over seas in foreign lands by this military and economic machine.

    Why do we not grieve for the suffering we cause around the world? Every. Single. Day...

    If Trump has such deep empathy for suffering and loss of human life, why did he override congress and the senate to continue aiding the Saudis in their pillaging of Yemen? How many hundreds of thousands have already suffered and died there, and continue to suffer and die there?

    It's as if they aren't Americans it just doesn't matter...



    Here was the grand finale from that video

    Quote We were supposed to be in Syria for 30 days, we've now been there for 10 years.
    Yet we're still there. We just backed off to let Turkey do their border corridor thing. We lost the battle (with the aid of ISIS) to topple Assad, so we're now resorting to strangling them with siege warfare (nicely called sanctions now). This makes the people suffer and die, not their governments. Why is he okay with this?

    We're also strangling Venezuela. This makes the people suffer and die, not their governments. Why is he okay with this?

    Quote We were supposed to be in Afghanistan for a short period of time, we're now going to be there for close to 19 years.
    Yet we're still there.

    We're still trying to strangle Russia and Iran, and we have them both encircled with our military. We're still entrenched in the Middle East, and all over the world for that matter, with no end in sight.

    Quote It's time to bring em home, it's time to bring em home.

    Bring our troops back home!
    Then why isn't he actually doing something about it???

    Trump, or any of them for that matter, can whisper sweet nothings in my ear all they want, but it's their actions I pay attention to.

    Don't tell me, don't try to make me cry with fluff and flag draped coffins, just show me Mr. President.
    Gracy May:
    Thank you for saying this pefectly! Unfortunately no one will listen because everytime I have posted an article about trump the naysayers come out in droves! The thread is taken over by political correctness. Truth can hurt which is probably why they call it Truth!!

    The truth is the tariffs are going to give ALL CONSUMERS in the USA a wake up call on January 1st, 2020. This is when trumps tariffs kick in for all consumer goods at 25% coming from China.
    Until now the tariffs have been mostly commercial products.
    A couple of days ago the administration postpones the tariff hike BUT it will still come eventually.
    All I hear is that the chinese are paying the tariffs. This is truly ridiculous. American people are paying the tariffs. Good luck with the prices not going. Everything comes from China.
    Didn't mean to change the subject BUT it's still about trump.
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    President Trump shows real empathy for the families of the fallen soldiers. He also shows an understanding of why these wars have been dragging on for two decades. I am quite certain that he knows that this stance puts him and his family in imminent danger. There has been a relentless crusade to destroy Trump and his supporters by entrenched politicians and the media and this is one of the fundamental reasons. He has consistently stated that one of his primary goals is to get the USA out of the wars in the middle east, this is precisely why the impeachment talk and action started on his first day in office. Of course, the other major reason is his posture on one world government.

    There is not a person on this planet that doesn't believe deep in their hearts that one day of war is one day too many. In our world today millions of people actually believe that 20 years of war is not enough. This thinking is beyond insanity by anyone's definition.

    It is exceedingly difficult if not impossible to remain open minded by about Trump given the ferocity of the attacks by both Republicans and Democrats supported and orchestrated by the mainstream media. For those that have made an honest effort, once you get past the flaws and the ego it is hard not to see that his "governance" is good for the USA and the world.
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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    Like Trump or not this speech is incredibly moving and significant. This is the kind of speech that got JFK killed. The whole world needs to see this. I honestly cried while watching, knowing what I do about all our illegal wars started with lies which have killed, maimed or displaced millions of human beings.
    I showed this video to my wife and she was amazed she hasn’t seen this all over social media and the MSM. My reply was that the corporations and globalists don’t want anyone seeing anything positive about Trump. Now you get to see at least one! Well, until it gets banned. I have seen the view numbers go down already!
    Seems like a campaign video. Or maybe a pre-campaign video?

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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    Like Trump or not this speech is incredibly moving and significant. This is the kind of speech that got JFK killed. The whole world needs to see this. I honestly cried while watching, knowing what I do about all our illegal wars started with lies which have killed, maimed or displaced millions of human beings.
    I showed this video to my wife and she was amazed she hasn’t seen this all over social media and the MSM. My reply was that the corporations and globalists don’t want anyone seeing anything positive about Trump. Now you get to see at least one! Well, until it gets banned. I have seen the view numbers go down already!
    Seems like a campaign video. Or maybe a pre-campaign video?
    Either way, it would not be unreasonable for all of us to deem and conclude that he is sincere.

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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    This is the kind of speech that got JFK killed.
    Yes, It was .. and the most incredible (hidden true) is Trump sending this message to their suposed (zionist) allies, bankers and weapons manufacture owners.

    He choose a full moon in Libra, to rekindle the spark of (aries moon) love under the kindest lovely (libra Sun) sign

    If he persuades the people with all this energy, as a president, he will have to do whatever the people want, even if others want to insist on this thing of living waging war.

    Trump is smart .. and bold .. Even their worst detractors have to admit it.
    If they kill more one US president who wants to Stop the Wars, the world heros will enter into spontaneous convulsion.

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Seems like a campaign video. Or maybe a pre-campaign video?
    Indeed .. Why Not ?
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Why do we not grieve for the suffering we cause around the world? Every. Single. Day...

    If Trump has such deep empathy for suffering and loss of human life, why did he override congress and the senate to continue aiding the Saudis in their pillaging of Yemen? How many hundreds of thousands have already suffered and died there, and continue to suffer and die there?

    It's as if they aren't Americans it just doesn't matter...



    Yet we're still there. We just backed off to let Turkey do their border corridor thing. We lost the battle (with the aid of ISIS) to topple Assad, so we're now resorting to strangling them with siege warfare (nicely called sanctions now). This makes the people suffer and die, not their governments. Why is he okay with this?
    Interesting that as soon as Turkey opened fire, France and UK ban weapon sales to them, this doesn't usually happen anywhere else, as, for instance, the Saudis.

    "Backed off" is the right term, the U. S. retreated from a few small border posts near Turkey, whereas they are still invested in Syria and trying to impose cross-border control in Iraq where they are more heavily invested.

    If the standing army was drawn down to what it takes to prevent invasion by Canada and Mexico, that would be appropriate.

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    I've always felt that Trump is not a war-monger and this video, together with the fact that it's a long time since an American President didn't take his country to war during his first term of office, confirms that view of him.

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    Trump wants to bring some soldiers back before the election It gives him more boots on the ground to support him in an overt military overthrow. That's where the U.S. is going and the fundamentalist Christian military are using Trump as a Trojan horse--nothing more.

    They are preparing for civil war on American soil.

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    I've always felt that Trump is not a war-monger and this video, together with the fact that it's a long time since an American President didn't take his country to war during his first term of office, confirms that view of him.
    Really? Just give him a year and a couple of months. You aint seen nuthin' yet.

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    Get ready for your own Arab Spring, ushered in with sentimental crap like the video posted above. Look at the article below and understand that this is the typical pattern. The U.S. is going to have an American Spring, if the military gets their way. The firs thing they will do when they achieve complete and total power is suspend and then change the constitution.

    What Happened to the Arab Spring?

    Seven years ago spontaneous mass demonstrations across the Middle East swept away entrenched regimes in Tunisia and Egypt, shook the conservative rulers of the Gulf and sparked vicious civil wars in Libya, Yemen and Syria.

    Dictators were ousted, monarchies trembled for their thrones and promises of jobs, dignity and freedom brought cheering crowds of youthful Arabs on to the streets.

    Barely a trace of that heady exuberance remains today. In place of Hosni Mubarak, the ageing conservative in Cairo, Egypt is now ruled by a more ruthlessly repressive military dictator.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...spring-0lqkc6m

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    I agree with mpennery that whatever you think of Trump, what Trump describes in the video is significant.

    To give you all a heads up – this post is more about my view of the broader picture, rather than offering insight on Trump's plans, or those of his allies or controllers.
     
    I’ve known people who’ve been in an army.  Some are relatives.  But I have never known the kind of grief addressed in that video.  For a mother, or father, or partner to see their child or their loved one returned to them in a box.  That gut-wrenching feeling of grief, and of not being able to touch them or speak to them one last time.  And underneath it all, perhaps buried deep because they daren’t even speak the thought to themselves, the question of whether that person dear to them died for a mission, a war, that was not even what he or she had been told it was; that perhaps their death was not necessary to defend something good or true; that perhaps their child, spouse or sibling was just a casualty of someone else’s greed, psychosis, or negligence. 
     
    Politicians promote war, or speak against it, often for their own personal agenda.  So the video didn’t move me in regard to Trump.  It moved me in the sense that it is a relief to hear the truth about war spoken by anyone.  To state it clearer than Trump did... War is death, torture, mutilation and destruction.  It is a symptom of a dark influence, and of cultures that have not evolved.  Not all soldiers are honourable, but all soldiers who have seen combat have suffered, perhaps worse than they even realise at first.  And some soldiers, I believe, will be among some of the bravest souls you could ever meet.  Whoever they may be, they are at the mercy of someone else’s agenda.
     
    Many have written of how the Gulf war and Iraq war were largely about oil.  (Invasions ‘led’ by Senior and Junior of the Bush dynasty.)  How is that still happening?  We live in a world where clean, advanced energy solutions, beyond solar, wind, hydro and geothermal, are being suppressed.  How many are even aware of that, and hold it in mind?

    One moment Saddam Hussein was not a big enough problem for the West, the next he was an evil dictator that the whole world needed saving from.  I recall, as a child, seeing the onslaught of images of his ‘powerful’ armed forces on the news, in the build up to justify war.  I recall being shocked at how, hours or days after the invasion, I was bombarded by those same propagandist news channels with fast images of Western fighter jets and guided missiles decimating the enemy.  The contrast was palpable.  Having been told to fear, I then was supposed to be impressed by how much better ‘our’ machinery was than the enemy’s.  I recall asking my father, an Iraqi, where he had lived in relation to the images on the television screen.  He looked numb, and uttered something about it basically being the area of Baghdad being bombed in the footage.  

    As horrific a person as the Iraqi President may have been, does anyone really believe that those Western political and business powers, who sent soldiers to war against him, aren’t just as if not more evil in nature?  I don’t believe they removed him to save Iraqis or defend the world from so-called “weapons of mass destruction” - weapons which Bush Jr flippantly joked about not finding :

    https://youtu.be/T5YgJx8VGRA

    Those who instigated and profited most from those wars were safe in their millionaire or billionaire homes, whilst Iraqis and soldiers were covered in blood, and grief.

    I recall meeting a young Iraqi man, a waiter in London, who was here studying biochemistry. He had fair skin and kind eyes. He told me how his father had been one of the Iraqis persuaded by U.S. forces to rise up and overthrow Saddam. When the U.S. retreated, his family was abandoned, so his father paid the price with his life for being a traitor. I recall meeting young European journalists who had been to Iraq. They could barely speak of it. They were changed by it. I recall also, spending a short time with a British soldier who had done several tours in Iraq. You could feel the trauma pouring out of him, how he struggled to keep it wrapped inside. He seemed a decent man. Strong, but nervous. Wrestling between his love for his son, who he raised alone since his wife left him, and the residual anger / confusion in his system. He told me how he takes life one day at a time. Still recovering. I could feel his pain. How he was still forced to put out fires that well up from inside.
     
    Hilary Clinton famously said with a jovial tone “We came.  We saw.  He died” when speaking about Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. Some say Gaddafi was brought down because he was standing up to international (including IMF) pressures, and wanted a gold-backed African currency; that prior to 2011 Libya had achieved economic independence, with its own water, food, and its own state-owned bank.  Thanks to the invasion of Libya, the resultant destabilisation has caused countless deaths and an increase in slave trading, and according to various commentators including Julian Assange (who I personally find to be, to some extent, a mysterious character) opened the floodgates to more illegal immigration into Europe, something which is hugely profitable for human traffickers. 

    Why was President Obama awarded a Nobel ‘Peace Prize’ less than a year after his inauguration, reportedly days after announcing a military "surge" in Afghanistan?  Afghanistan, reportedly “the world's leading illicit opium producer since 2001”, its opium poppy harvest producing “more than 90% of illicit heroin globally, and more than 95% of the European supply.” (wikipedia.)  What is really taking place there?

    I don't claim to know. I read articles and more articles, and still don't feel I know.

    Banks, oil companies, traffickers, politicians with shares in lucrative businesses.  The age old question: who benefits?
     
    I’m reminded of numerous quotes from General Smedley Butler, a United States Marine Corps major general, apparently the highest rank authorized at that time, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. He was the author of War is a Racket, and wrote :
     
    "War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes." (wikipedia)

    His views on the subject are summarized in the following passage from the November 1935 issue of the socialist magazine Common Sense:

    “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer; a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
    ” (wikipedia)

    The racket goes back through the centuries.

    May God bless the true warriors, who risk their lives to protect life, and who work to bring genuine justice and actual peace. And may God help those who are so blind they place little to no value on life, which is sacred, who send soldiers to kill innocent people and decimate land.

    There is a quote, possibly paraphrased, attributed to the scientist Albert Einstein : “The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service.” Once you're in, the punishment for going against orders – if you dare to disagree - can be severe. But until we shift as a race, and eliminate poverty, there will always be nefarious creatures playing on the poor, and the proud, offering them security, a tribe and a sense of honour in the armed forces. You're one of the 'unlucky' ones, a statistic, if you are murdered, paralysed or emotionally wrecked in the process of serving in a game you didn't choose, or fully understand. And the victims of your army's power, just collateral damage. Maybe, the only real choice you have is whether to go in with your eyes open, or be shocked at how you may be destroyed by the outcome if you commit unaware. One of the walking wounded. Or walking dead.

    The question for me isn't so much what Trump thinks. He appears to me (as many other presidents and world leaders do) a front of house manager for a much larger machine. One whose controllers were in play before he took office, and will likely still be manipulating the world after. But if he is truly against war, then may good forces strengthen his ability to prevent or to end it.

    Some crave the game of war. Seeking it, like misguided children or possessed criminals. But at some point, collectively as a race on this planet, we will have had enough. I wish for that day, and still pray, from the heart, visualising it becoming a reality. All things are possible, including peace and freedom from tyranny. If we really, deeply wish for that and mould our lives in alignment with it.

    Apologies for the length of this post. It could have been much longer. The topic deserves it (as do the casualties of countless wars.) But perhaps not from me. I just found that video moving in a way that is far bigger than Trump's motives.

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    Quote Posted by Melinda (here)
    I agree with mpennery that whatever you think of Trump, what Trump describes in the video is significant.

    https://youtu.be/T5YgJx8VGRA

    Apologies for the length of this post. It could have been much longer. The topic deserves it (as do the casualties of countless wars.) But perhaps not from me. I just found that video moving in a way that is far bigger than Trump's motives.
    Hugs, Melinda.
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    If we take away the frills of the video, that is to say the music, the flags, the imagery, we are left with one president, one parent, one speech. The sentiment of the video is still present which is how traumatic it is to have to experience the return of a loved son or daughter under those circumstances, whether there is a comprehension of the reasons why or otherwise.

    A lot of people quite genuinely will have an idea of what could be done, what should be done, what they would like to see done but politics in the world is unfortunately in many respects borne out of pragmatism.

    A couple of questions rhetorical in nature come to mind.

    Since when did a U.S. president ever run the country?

    Since when was a U.S. president ever free of a controlling agenda and controllers?

    U.S. presidents will have an awareness to either a greater or lesser degree.

    Unless of course the president in office has a complete identification with that agenda and controllers.

    The important question seems to be which individual can be best suited to working within and outside that agenda, without quickly being ousted or even worse assassinated, while at the same time moving both the country and the world inexorably, incrementally forward.

    That, it seems to me is the pragmatic question which then becomes the candidate of choice.
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