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    Default How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    What is a CME? look here

    1) Water supply in Cites will be cut
    2) food supply will last few days
    3) TV, radio + Phone wont work
    4) Gas MAY be available for a SHORT while (a day or two at the most)
    5) Cars WILL operate, public transport will NOT

    Sluggish masses will be waiting for rescue 2-3 days I guess, until water runs out.
    So get where you plan to go within that time.

    NOW: where to go ??

    I vote for Spain, the north-western part.

    From Hamburg thats 2.5 Tkm or ca. 4 days. I use a motorcycle, if possible a diesel (easier to get fuel) and they use much less (about 2.5 l/100).
    One could just carry the fuel for the entire trip.

    I would be VERY VERY helpfull if a group could agree on a meeting point in the target area. It will have among other advantages a powerful psychological effect to reach there thru adverse conditions. "Emissaries" of the group could also store certain provisions there to help thru the initial period.
    All for small cash. At the moment land in Spain is very cheap because Spain has a crisis much like the USA.
    This setup could be very small (a rented cottage) or large (a few acres with a building).

    I would consider it as insurance to invest in such a plan. in the "worst case" nothing happens and I own a piece of spain ...
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    Default Re: How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    The Swami is flying with you Sir.....

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    Default Re: How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    Quote Posted by samvado (here)
    What is a CME? look here

    1) Water supply in Cites will be cut
    2) food supply will last few days
    3) TV, radio + Phone wont work
    4) Gas MAY be available for a SHORT while (a day or two at the most)
    5) Cars WILL operate, public transport will NOT

    Sluggish masses will be waiting for rescuer 2-3 days I guess, until water runs out.
    So get where you plan to go within that time.

    NOW: where to go ??

    I vote for Spain, the north-western part.

    From Hamburg thats 2.5 Tkm or ca. 4 days. I use a motorcycle, if possible a diesel (easier to get fuel) and they use much less (about 2.5 l/100).
    One could just carry the fuel for the entire trip.

    (more soon, gotta go for a bit)
    I vote for the Northern Alps/Austria
    With a cave nearby, off touristic interests
    Will take a diesel transporter with:
    Bikes inside
    Food for a year
    Solar panels/LEDs/rechageable batteries
    Medical supply, MMS
    Tents, sleeping bags, iron pots etc. just all the stuff you can imagine


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    Well I dont give a ****, as long as we have a safehaven.

    Maybe its wise to make inventarisations off what each individual allready has collected.....???

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    Default Re: How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    Quote Posted by bashi (here)
    I vote for the Northern Alps/Austria
    With a cave nearby, off touristic interests
    Will take a diesel transporter with:
    Bikes inside
    Food for a year
    Solar panels/LEDs/rechageable batteries
    Medical supply, MMS
    Tents, sleeping bags, iron pots etc. just all the stuff you can imagine
    Much speaks for Austria, not the least the language :-)
    clean water too, friendly people and much shorter trip to get there

    BUT

    should the weather change , which is also due, it will be very cold very soon. and even now you have only one vegetation period per year in nature. in spain you have 3.
    also: a lot of people live in the surrounding area, especially to the east, who may want what you have and have weapons (ex-war-zone) (same in spain but not nearly as much)
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    Default Re: How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    For those who might need to know:

    I am in the italian alps, 2km from the swiss border, 600km above sea level, town population 1,200 (not touristic at all although it is on a main road into switzerland) and am well prepared to live without electricity (mentally, at least). I do still have some wrinkles to iron out but the place is livable. This area is also pretty calm for EQ's.
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    600km above sea level,.
    you're in a mothership ??????

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    Quote Posted by MorningSong (here)

    I am in the italian alps, 2km from the swiss border, 600km above sea level, town population 1,200 (not touristic at all although it is on a main road into switzerland) and am well prepared to live without electricity (mentally, at least). I do still have some wrinkles to iron out but the place is livable. This area is also pretty calm for EQ's.
    Hi there, well, in Swizerland literally everbody has a gun. meant for self-defense but who knows. 2 km is NOT a safe distance if you have what they want.
    and the swiss have ALLWAYS been isolationistic during crisis to the point of being paranoid in the past. They didnt even let the jews in during the second world war full well knowing what was going to happen to them. So you have a paranoid misantropic neighbor, armed to the teeth. Congrats. Not my cup of tea ;-)

    and how is it earthquake safe? the entire alps are not safe. how far to the vesuv?
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    Default Re: How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    Great thread Sam. Wish I could join you guys, but my household includes elderly parents and adult children, plus I live on an island.
    I hope you guys make it ! Patrick Gerald did say that the mountains in Spain are a safe place .
    Why do you say that cars will work ? I've read everywhere that the batteries will be fried.
    Can you please explain.
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    Default Re: How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    Opps......sorry for the typo...hehehe...it would be nice, though, wouldn't it...on a mothership, that is...

    @Sam:
    I guess you'd just have to know exactly where I am to judge.... but, about the Swiss, most are not gun toters...my brother-in-law does his yearly military service with the fire brigade....toting fire hoses...

    I must be here for a reason. I could have gone back home (USA) many times, but I'm still here.
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    Quote Posted by samvado (here)
    you're in a mothership ??????
    Mwahahahaha

    I heard the Sierra Nevada un Spain would be a sagehaven
    http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&sourc...382568&t=p&z=7

    I'm in contact with somebody who will go there shortly, this place
    http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&sourc...191284&t=p&z=8

    As far as I understood she will be on a camping there. It could be a good place to camp out and work from. It pretty close to the mountains. She told there were caves overthere.

    I dont know whether it is EQ-resistant, but the Sierra Nevada are pretty old mountains ....

    End of this week I'll hear if my contract (work) will be ended or not.
    I'm planning to sell my house and buy an old Landrover or Mitsubitsu Landcruiser, these cars will hold pretty long. The rest of the money I want to invest in other stuff.
    Already got some waterfilters, I can distil water to make collodial silver, got the equipment to do it. Got me a small amount of MMS1.

    I'm working in the supplying of fishingvessels. I can buy stuff fairly cheap, like dry batteries, generators, shackles, chains, fishingnets ropes, (MMS2? > I think we have bucket of 10 kg's in store right ow. Have to check if its the right stuff. Its Calcium Hypochlorite but I dont know if theres any additives in it, I'm no chemist. Have made a couple of photo's and will put them in a thread this evening.) solarequipment, etc.
    I'm in contact with farmers where I live. I could arrange an amount of wheatseeds.
    I'm in contact with logistics guys so transportation cant be to diffucult to arrange.
    Got me a very small unsinkable boat (Carolina Skiff) on a trailer. Dont know if its handy to take something like that....??

    I got loads of fishing equipment (rods, hooks, lines, lead, reels, etc.). I can make/braid fishingnet. Got me a box of gaintraps and food for a year.....

    So far till now, your opinions please.........
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    Default Re: How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    @Bashi:

    What kind and what amount of diodes do we need. I know the basic principles of electronics.
    I bought me an old Lister 1 cil. dieselengine. I need to overhaul it. Wanted to equip it with a PMG (permanent magnet generator). Havent had the time to do it yet.

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    Patrick Gerald did say that the mountains in Spain are a safe place .
    who is he?

    Quote Why do you say that cars will work ? I've read everywhere that the batteries will be fried.
    Can you please explain.
    according to Bashi, our expert, the CME scenario will not fry anything that isnt attached to long cables.
    and electronics because they are very very sensible.

    so cars should be ok, the older ones anyway.
    get a diesel, it runs totally without electricity if its an old one without injection (dunno what its called in english, its wirbelkammer in german)
    also: after the CME regular gas will slowly run out, diesel can always be substituted by plant oils.
    also: you can slavage it from trucks that are left to rot. they have huge tanks, ships too and finaly the oil you burn in your heater (if you heat with oil) - all that lets your diesel car run.

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    error error
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    error error
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    I heard the Sierra Nevada un Spain would be a sagehaven

    I'm in contact with somebody who will go there shortly, this place
    IMO both places are too densly populated and a bit too low for my taste.

    I was thinking more along these lines:

    http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=42.768...z=14&t=h&hl=de

    Its near the "Jacobs trail" - the famous pilgrim path thru spain.

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    Default Re: How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    So, how to proceed?

    I suggest:

    1) Make the idea known that a CME is a likely scenario (how? where? languages?)
    2) Explain the "route to relative safety"
    3) explain for what other scenarios this may also (partially) help, e.g. a monetary meltdown, the galactic superwave, the next iceage, vitam-D3 deficiency etc. pp.
    4) explain IT WILL BE FUN
    5) Collect money to purchase small piece of land with booth or small house
    6) Discuss best means of transportation, e.g. diesel-cycles (from india - enfield taurus)
    7) set up the target facility (stock seeds and spares)
    8) get everybody a hard-copy map how-to-get-there
    9) discuss what everybody should bring (minimum required)
    10) anjoy life until event-x hits us and/or spend your vacation at 7)

    just my 2 cents ...

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    Quote Posted by samvado (here)
    IMO both places are too densly populated and a bit too low for my taste.

    I was thinking more along these lines:

    http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=42.768...z=14&t=h&hl=de

    Its near the "Jacobs trail" - the famous pilgrim path thru spain.
    Cool with me, others....?

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    Quote Posted by samvado (here)
    who is he?



    according to Bashi, our expert, the CME scenario will not fry anything that isnt attached to long cables.
    and electronics because they are very very sensible.

    so cars should be ok, the older ones anyway.
    get a diesel, it runs totally without electricity if its an old one without injection (dunno what its called in english, its wirbelkammer in german)
    also: after the CME regular gas will slowly run out, diesel can always be substituted by plant oils.
    also: you can slavage it from trucks that are left to rot. they have huge tanks, ships too and finaly the oil you burn in your heater (if you heat with oil) - all that lets your diesel car run.
    We need sunflowerseeds and hempseeds.....

    Oil we can make with this machine

    http://www.piteba.com/

    I am a mecanic (ships to 3000 Kw) so converting dieselengines to PVO (pure vegetable oil) shouldn't be a problem......

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    Default Re: How to prepare for a CME in the European theatre

    Quote Posted by MorningSong (here)
    For those who might need to know:

    I am in the italian alps, 2km from the swiss border, 600km above sea level, town population 1,200 (not touristic at all although it is on a main road into switzerland) and am well prepared to live without electricity (mentally, at least). I do still have some wrinkles to iron out but the place is livable. This area is also pretty calm for EQ's.
    Sounds good to me. Are you living in Italy or Switzerland?

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