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    If the Democratic party nominates Elizabeth Warren or any other socialist, Trump will win in a landslide. And that is my prediction. For a Democrat to win, their candidate must appeal to independent voters. A socialist turns off independent voters. It is hard to believe the Dems are being led down their particular road to perdition - by themselves.

    I fully agree with Bill Ryan in that the concern is for after the election. It is taking a long time to drain the swamp. It may very well take all 8 years of a Trump presidency to make a big dent in that undertaking. The rats are pushing back hard.

    When I observe Trump I always think of the team behind him. 10 people. 7 military and 3 civilians, one of whom is the President. These people are trying to take down the deep state. In the USA that begins with the CIA. They are trying to do what JFK tried and failed to do. Thankfully, they have the support of the NSA and others. The NSA is a huge key.

    Also, our daughter lives in Jersey City and works in Manhattan. She is imbued with the typical New York City holier than thou mindset whereby most city dwellers view Trump as a great pretender, a charlatan and a jerk. Nothing more. The books that will be written on the Trump presidency will be epic. That man saved the US?? Really?? But you kid.

    We live in an interesting time. So much happening. I only hope we come through it all and can smile after another ten years.
    Elizabeth Warren isn't a socialist, but Bernie Sanders is.
    There is no evidence that Trump is trying to take down the deep state. The only evidence is that they are trying to take HIM down, and he is hanging on valiantly.
    If the "even greater" recession hits before Nov 2020, then Trump will not win re-election.

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    I'm certainly not saying Prez Trump is the savior of all time, far from it. I thought it was pretty rotten to say things about Philadelphia that it was a disgrace, I really did . But then days later here comes the back story as always , The reason why he said that was that the federal govt had given that city 15 or 16 billion dollars in aid the year before via Elijah Cumming from congress. And the money just evaporated and nothing changed in that city to help the poor or the city. Thats 16,000 million dollars- where did it go?

    Were not privy to many back stories why Trump says what he says via our beloved (let me throw up media). He didn't take this job for the money or the fame and used his private jet for quite some time campaigning and paid for it himself. ALL the media were laughing day after day that no way he would get elected. He was a joke on wings. That is until the hard working class of america started taking note, not because its what we want to hear, its what we havn't heard from any previous leaders in a long long time that gravitated this to the top.

    I'll never forget that phrase from the last administration in mind " Fundamentally transform America" What the hell was wrong with America to begin with? Baseball, hot dogs or apple pie. Whats wrong with that, why did we need to change. For those 8 years America was banned from saying Merry Christmas and that just pissed people off as it was the one time of the year we can all just take a breather and be thankful and reflect almost like a vacation from society and we were vilified for saying the one thing that brought cheer to many. I think when Trump was at that one rally, I can't remember the city , He had Christmas trees all the way across the stage as a sign America is coming back and its ok to say Merry Christmas again. And now with Hispanic and African american unemployment at its lowest level ever and unemployment at a 50 year low. Trump doesn't need to say anything at all to get my vote, whats happening in america now speaks for itself without any words.

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    I thought long and hard before participating in this thread because it has the potential to disintegrate into an emergency room full of psychiatric patients with no doctors around. In an effort to make full disclosure my innermost fear is that I would be the most vocal and most severely damaged patient. That said: I thought what the hell.

    If all things stay the same then Trump should have a fairly easy time winning a second term. There is not a candidate on the opposing side of the aisle that has the charisma (debateable term but a fitting one) that Trump exhibits. I have never seen a person who connects with so many people. Trump's connection to the people that hate him is probably stronger than it is to the people that support him. The potential for a late entry dark horse candidate is ripe because the democrat field is weak at best.

    I think Trump has recently stepped over the line on the Syrian war issue. I think the vast majority of Americans supports Trump's effort to get out of the wars in the middle east. It is the media, career politicians (both sides), military and corporate entities making a killing (pun intended) off the war that are profoundly against the USA getting out of the middle east. This issue is one that could put Trump in peril. Only time will tell.

    Russian collusion, the Ukraine call, whistleblowers and even if the impeachment effort is successful it is nothing but background noise. Politicians have yet to understand that the American people are much more tuned in then they think.

    If Trump stays healthy and alive and if no other candidate enters the picture Trump will win in 2020.

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    I'm certainly not saying Prez Trump is the savior of all time, far from it. I thought it was pretty rotten to say things about Philadelphia that it was a disgrace, I really did . But then days later here comes the back story as always , The reason why he said that was that the federal govt had given that city 15 or 16 billion dollars in aid the year before via Elijah Cumming from congress. And the money just evaporated and nothing changed in that city to help the poor or the city. Thats 16,000 million dollars- where did it go?

    Were not privy to many back stories why Trump says what he says via our beloved (let me throw up media). He didn't take this job for the money or the fame and used his private jet for quite some time campaigning and paid for it himself. ALL the media were laughing day after day that no way he would get elected. He was a joke on wings. That is until the hard working class of america started taking note, not because its what we want to hear, its what we havn't heard from any previous leaders in a long long time that gravitated this to the top.

    I'll never forget that phrase from the last administration in mind " Fundamentally transform America" What the hell was wrong with America to begin with? Baseball, hot dogs or apple pie. Whats wrong with that, why did we need to change. For those 8 years America was banned from saying Merry Christmas and that just pissed people off as it was the one time of the year we can all just take a breather and be thankful and reflect almost like a vacation from society and we were vilified for saying the one thing that brought cheer to many. I think when Trump was at that one rally, I can't remember the city , He had Christmas trees all the way across the stage as a sign America is coming back and its ok to say Merry Christmas again. And now with Hispanic and African american unemployment at its lowest level ever and unemployment at a 50 year low. Trump doesn't need to say anything at all to get my vote, whats happening in america now speaks for itself without any words.
    Again, it baffles me that if the pres says it's ok to say Merry Christmas again it's your threshold for devotion. Baffling. There is no substance with this guy.
    Just pablum. Can someone throw me a bone?

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    Bernie Sanders
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    I'll never forget that phrase from the last administration in mind " Fundamentally transform America" What the hell was wrong with America to begin with? Baseball, hot dogs or apple pie. Whats wrong with that, why did we need to change.
    What's wrong with America? The narrative on this side of the ideological spectrum, which has fully pervaded and metastisized the University, Hollywood, the Media, and has been successfully inculcated into the minds of millions of people, is there is plenty wrong with America. America (hot dogs, baseball, Apple Pie and all) is utterly racist, sexist, and was founded by privileged White Male slave owners oppressing everybody else.

    This is utter nonsense, of course, but like anything, there is some degree of truth to any narrative that grows legs, so by spotlighting isolated elements of truth and distorting them into grotesque charlactctures, Hollywood, the University, and the Media readily weaponize and propagandize "the truth" so the well-meaning masses begin to believe.

    The modus operandi of radical leftist revolutionaries has always been to raze existing socio-political structures to the ground to replace them with newly-improved authoritarian power structures, dictating decree and policy, all for the greater good. 20th century history shows us this is a very bad idea, to the tune of genocide in the multi-millions....

    I'm all for social reform, justice for all, and egalitarian opportunity. But I'll take hot dogs, Baseball, and Apple pie, thank you, over mass genocide. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

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    I thought long and hard before participating in this thread because it has the potential to disintegrate into an emergency room full of psychiatric patients with no doctors around. In an effort to make full disclosure my innermost fear is that I would be the most vocal and most severely damaged patient. That said: I thought what the hell.

    If all things stay the same then Trump should have a fairly easy time winning a second term. There is not a candidate on the opposing side of the aisle that has the charisma (debateable term but a fitting one) that Trump exhibits. I have never seen a person who connects with so many people. Trump's connection to the people that hate him is probably stronger than it is to the people that support him. The potential for a late entry dark horse candidate is ripe because the democrat field is weak at best.

    I think Trump has recently stepped over the line on the Syrian war issue. I think the vast majority of Americans supports Trump's effort to get out of the wars in the middle east. It is the media, career politicians (both sides), military and corporate entities making a killing (pun intended) off the war that are profoundly against the USA getting out of the middle east. This issue is one that could put Trump in peril. Only time will tell.

    Russian collusion, the Ukraine call, whistleblowers and even if the impeachment effort is successful it is nothing but background noise. Politicians have yet to understand that the American people are much more tuned in then they think.

    If Trump stays healthy and alive and if no other candidate enters the picture Trump will win in 2020.
    I fully echo this analysis. However, I'm a little skeptical the people will have any say over the 2020 election. I am hopeful my judgments are jaded, but it seems to me the PTB were smoking their own dope, so to speak, and truly believed Donald Trump would not win the 2016 election. They were taken off guard and did not ensure their candidate would win by any and all means necessary. They were so confident in the results, they let the election ride. Big mistake. As a result, they have been trying to stage a coup ever since.

    If these same powers cannot remove Donald Trump prior to 2020 election, either via impeachment or by assassination, why not just step up efforts to rig the damn election? It shouldn't be that hard to do. They can easily create the necessary smoke screen via the propaganda arm of the State, the MSM, so that none but the hyper aware would be the wiser.

    While I'd like to be wrong, I have utterly no confidence in the integrity and honesty of a system designed to deceive, manipulate, and control we plebs....

    Fair and honest elections? Really?

    In short, Trump may win in a landslide, but being declared the victor is a long shot...
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    I understand that Hillary Clinton will be throwing her hat into the ring soon. Boy, will that be fun to watch.

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    Again, it baffles me that if the pres says it's ok to say Merry Christmas again it's your threshold for devotion. Baffling. There is no substance with this guy.
    Just pablum. Can someone throw me a bone?
    It's actually very simple. There is substance. But not in the way you might suspect. This President is a populist, which means, for all intents and purposes--gasp--he reaches and resonates with millions of so-called "deplorables" who just don't want their way of life ripped out from underneath them. The left would argue their way of life is racist, exclusionary, sexist and requires reform; they would go so far to argue this way of life deserves to be ripped out in a radical fashion from underneath all those who embrace it. But it's more complicated than that. Political/Social transformation can be scary, especially if one doesn't understand the complex socio-political dynamic encroaching one's way of life. Accusations of "racism" and "sexism" are far too simplistic and mostly strawmen accusations and inaccurate. History is rife with examples of genocide, savagery, and the decimation of culture in a predatorial way whenever "social transformation" is on the table. The people may not intellectually understand this, but they do understand it. And they will fight to defend themselves.

    This demographic also understands they are being culled, which resonates to the core. They understand--or believe--their guy is fighting in a battle for their very survival.

    The leftist agenda entails dismantling American sociopolitical institutions (we can debate whether these institutions require reform--undoubtedly they do), which is an existential threat to the idea of freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness--all deeply rooted American ideals. So here you have a shoot-from-the hip populist who speaks the language of the people and vows to not only protect, but to restore the idea of freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Donald Trump is Andrew Jackson 2.0. He may not have "substance" to your way of thinking, but "believe me" (sorry I couldn't resist), he's most certainly reaching the masses.
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    Ad hominums are easy and cheap. But that is okay, because I too am a clown. So I therefore resonate with 45. Why? Because sometimes I play the fool to fool the fools who think they're fooling me. But I do enjoy laughing, whether at myself or others. With or at makes no difference. Life is too short. I also know what it is like to be lied about and blamed for things that have little or nothing to do with me. I have learned to be a 'long ball hitter'.

    I do also like Jordan Peterson. His message of be careful who you share your failures with and especially your successes with really got my ear. People hate you for having the guts to say or do what they never could or would. Really it's that they hate themselves and you make them look bad.

    In the world of U.S politics, who has been made a fool of every single time someone tried to make a fool of the POTUS since and even before election night 2016? Yes, even Stormy Daniels who has been told to pay $250,000 to 45 for his legal expenses. When they put the famous Trump recording all over MSM his popularity went up! Backfire after backfire.

    It is a really good tactic to let your opposition talk and talk and talk. They already look stupid before they open their mouths. But they then do and remove all doubt. It has been hilarious! We now have Boris in the UK and Scott Morrison in Aussie. All have a good sense of humour, therefore come across as authentic human beings. And we like that. We don't want NWO yes men and script kiddies. We want people who ROCK!!!

    Even the Ukraine elected a comedian. Exposing corruption has never been so entertaining. While the projection of themselves onto others is spell breaking for more and more people every single day. The meme smiths are working overtime. If you beat 'em ban 'em. But banning Carpe Donktem was a bit too obvious so they put his twitter back up. For now. They'll ban him again nearer election time.

    But flogging a dead horse/donkey/mule has never worked before. Pocahontas against Orange Man Bad already has me in stitches

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    There is no evidence that Trump is trying to take down the deep state. The only evidence is that they are trying to take HIM down, and he is hanging on valiantly.
    If the "even greater" recession hits before Nov 2020, then Trump will not win re-election.
    If Trump is not trying to take down the Deep State--but they are trying to take down him--what, in your estimation is Trump trying to do? And why is the Deep State hell-bent on taking him down?

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    based on what i know trump going to win 2020 due to TPTB the group that behind Putin and among other western countries..some called it israel-Obligarchy-Zionist.

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    im not sure how they curtailed the voting fraud in 2016 enough to get him elected in the first place.If they are once again able to do that I see trump wining in a 60/40 type Reagan over Mondale type landslide.

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    Again, it baffles me that if the pres says it's ok to say Merry Christmas again it's your threshold for devotion. Baffling. There is no substance with this guy.
    Just pablum. Can someone throw me a bone?
    It's actually very simple. There is substance. But not in the way you might suspect. This President is a populist, which means, for all intents and purposes--gasp--he reaches and resonates with millions of so-called "deplorables" who just don't want their way of life ripped out from underneath them. The left would argue their way of life is racist, exclusionary, sexist and requires reform; they would go so far to argue this way of life deserves to be ripped out in a radical fashion from underneath all those who embrace it. But it's more complicated than that. Political/Social transformation can be scary, especially if one doesn't understand the complex socio-political dynamic encroaching one's way of life. Accusations of "racism" and "sexism" are far too simplistic and mostly strawmen accusations and inaccurate. History is rife with examples of genocide, savagery, and the decimation of culture in a predatorial way whenever "social transformation" is on the table. The people may not intellectually understand this, but they do understand it. And they will fight to defend themselves.

    This demographic also understands they are being culled, which resonates to the core. They understand--or believe--their guy is fighting in a battle for their very survival.

    The leftist agenda entails dismantling American sociopolitical institutions (we can debate whether these institutions require reform--undoubtedly they do), which is an existential threat to the idea of freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness--all deeply rooted American ideals. So here you have a shoot-from-the hip populist who speaks the language of the people and vows to not only protect, but to restore the idea of freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Donald Trump is Andrew Jackson 2.0. He may not have "substance" to your way of thinking, but "believe me" (sorry I couldn't resist), he's most certainly reaching the masses.




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    The only current candidate on the Dem side that I find interesting is Tulsi Gabbard.

    But the MSM and DNC powers that be are ensuring she never gets any traction, so they won't have to obviously sabotage her later like they did Bernie last time.

    The CNN whistleblower yesterday reaffirmed that point of view, at least from their platform.

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    There is no evidence that Trump is trying to take down the deep state. The only evidence is that they are trying to take HIM down, and he is hanging on valiantly.
    If the "even greater" recession hits before Nov 2020, then Trump will not win re-election.
    If Trump is not trying to take down the Deep State--but they are trying to take down him--what, in your estimation is Trump trying to do? And why is the Deep State hell-bent on taking him down?
    They are probably trying to take him down because he was not approved, is not in their script, has not agreed to their script, etc. I suspect the powers that be have a very tight timeline and script for everything, such as when to allow free energy, etc. And they are running behind. Don't forget, Hillary was hell-bent on starting a war with Russia over Ukraine. That was in the script. Now the deep state is in deep sh*t because they didn't get that done, and they have "people" to answer to.

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    I thought long and hard before participating in this thread because it has the potential to disintegrate into an emergency room full of psychiatric patients with no doctors around. In an effort to make full disclosure my innermost fear is that I would be the most vocal and most severely damaged patient. That said: I thought what the hell.

    If all things stay the same then Trump should have a fairly easy time winning a second term. There is not a candidate on the opposing side of the aisle that has the charisma (debateable term but a fitting one) that Trump exhibits. I have never seen a person who connects with so many people. Trump's connection to the people that hate him is probably stronger than it is to the people that support him. The potential for a late entry dark horse candidate is ripe because the democrat field is weak at best.

    I think Trump has recently stepped over the line on the Syrian war issue. I think the vast majority of Americans supports Trump's effort to get out of the wars in the middle east. It is the media, career politicians (both sides), military and corporate entities making a killing (pun intended) off the war that are profoundly against the USA getting out of the middle east. This issue is one that could put Trump in peril. Only time will tell.

    Russian collusion, the Ukraine call, whistleblowers and even if the impeachment effort is successful it is nothing but background noise. Politicians have yet to understand that the American people are much more tuned in then they think.

    If Trump stays healthy and alive and if no other candidate enters the picture Trump will win in 2020.
    I fully echo this analysis. However, I'm a little skeptical the people will have any say over the 2020 election. I am hopeful my judgments are jaded, but it seems to me the PTB were smoking their own dope, so to speak, and truly believed Donald Trump would not win the 2016 election. They were taken off guard and did not ensure their candidate would win by any and all means necessary. They were so confident in the results, they let the election ride. Big mistake. As a result, they have been trying to stage a coup ever since.

    If these same powers cannot remove Donald Trump prior to 2020 election, either via impeachment or by assassination, why not just step up efforts to rig the damn election? It shouldn't be that hard to do. They can easily create the necessary smoke screen via the propaganda arm of the State, the MSM, so that none but the hyper aware would be the wiser.

    While I'd like to be wrong, I have utterly no confidence in the integrity and honesty of a system designed to deceive, manipulate, and control we plebs....

    Fair and honest elections? Really?

    In short, Trump may win in a landslide, but being declared the victor is a long shot...
    When Patrick Buchanan won the New Hampshire primary back in the 90s, we only had CNN. He won another state, maybe S Carolina. Everyone was watching Arizona where he was expected to win and would then be unstoppable. But when the results were coming in, CNN cut away for a 2-hour interview with George Bush Sr, about nothing at all, really. Afterwards, it was announced that, due to absentee ballots, Forbes Jr. had won. So yes, they can rig an election.

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    When Patrick Buchanan won the New Hampshire primary back in the 90s, we only had CNN. He won another state, maybe S Carolina. Everyone was watching Arizona where he was expected to win and would then be unstoppable. But when the results were coming in, CNN cut away for a 2-hour interview with George Bush Sr, about nothing at all, really. Afterwards, it was announced that, due to absentee ballots, Forbes Jr. had won. So yes, they can rig an election.
    The very same thing happened in the 2012 New Hampshire primary with Ron Paul. They weren't even going to let him win one state. And then in the Iowa Caucus, which is much harder to rig, Romney somehow won the caucus by a "secret" vote count proctored by pro-Romney establishment Republicans.

    Had Paul won those two states he could have easily won the nomination.
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    Someone with integrity, compassion and wisdom.

    Just joking! It's the US presidential elections after all.

    I'm pretty sure Trump will win, like it we or not.
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