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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Well, my strong reality (and personal experience from many regression sessions) is that we all have purposes (or 'missions') that tend to extend across multiple lifetimes.
    It is generally accepted in the astrological community today that the Nodes of the Moon represent the major key towards understanding your life as part of a continual thread, So the Nodes represent the cause and effect relationships by which you lead your life.

    It's through the Nodes that modern astrology is now able to make its first inroads into relating this divine science to the Hindu concept of reincarnation.

    The South Node is a symbolic past, but It is not symbolic of one past incarnation, rather a combination of events, ideas, attitudes and thoughts from every incarnation whose accumulated unresolved effects have created the current life. There is little we could do in the present life to alter greatly the balance of so many years of training and habits. For this reason we tends to rest on our South Node as the comfortable family of past in whose ways we are thoroughly familiar. For some the South Node can be limiting, while for others whose past foundations are firm and large it can be just the factor which brings the present life to a fruition of achievement.

    We constantly look to the future and rarely stop to examine the effects of all we have created until such effects loom ahead of us in our path. In fact an individual's most negative traits are those which for hundreds or thousands of years he has allowed to continue brewing within his soul. He keeps trying to piece together the fragments of his deeply-rooted past in the hope that they will form the foundation blocks of his future.

    The North Node is the symbol of the future. It represents a new experience as yet untried, maybe unthinkable before, as a "creative context". For the individual, this is the new cycle to which he is looking forward. There is Divine Providence in trying something new, and here the individual receives much help for his efforts. At the very deepest levels of his being he feels a sense of this direction.

    In fact, this Nodal position is like a treasure-filled reaping one benefit after another as each obstacle is turned into a stepping stone of future growth. Always man sees it in front of him like the proverbIal carrot used to make the donkey walk, yet every time he thinks he reaches it, its higher possibilities become visible to him, demanding still more footsteps, more tests and more of a desire to go forward.

    With each step closer he starts to feel better about himself, the life takes on new meaning as he experiences possibilities he had never considered. But man does not achieve his North Node until after rises to the highest karmic levels of his South Node.
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    @ ExomatrixTV, It seems to me that you have asked enough questions here to inspire an entire course in spirituality.
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    Is that Rachel? Hi Rachel.

    Weíre not allowed to come in remembering the purpose of life, and yet the purpose of life is obvious, itís right in front of us, we know it but donít realise we know it because we donít recognise it for what it is.
    Yes, this is Rachel, hi Caliban.

    We already know it and I suspect remembering it here is an effect of achieving a certain state, and when we remember it itís similar to remembering an event that happened in this lifetime that weíd since forgotten. Thereís that element of recall and recognition in the remembering, we see it and weíre left with no doubt or wondering.

    Quote When you say it's obvious, do you mean remembering that we're a part of everything and there's no division between us and the all and therefore nothing to fear?
    I donít know, I donít remember, but I suspect this is it or a huge part of it. By taking cues from my inner/higher self, the goal and process of harmonising and unifying the energy of the dual nature of myself as a human has emerged. Iím certain of this as the path for myself but is it a universal goal for humanity, is it the purpose of life, is the purpose of life contained within this? I donít know, itís like Iím a pilot flying a plane at night, I canít see the landscape, I just know which way Iím headed and have only the instruments in the cockpit to navigate. And the oneness is a primary element of the destination for me.

    Quote The amnesia thing is interesting. Our biology and nerves are caught up in that. We get nervous or jangled or anxious and that seems to set us back. We're not so sure for a bit about who we are and the purpose and meaning. The body and materiality, all the Stuff around us and the stuff that makes the stuff around us, keeps us forgetting.
    Iíve noticed this too. Itís like this place is programmed to incessantly work against our awareness, forcing us to go and draw from within.

    Quote Total faith. Can that break us thru? Slip us through?
    Faith, yep, I think this is part of it. Faith in myself, the creator, existence, humanity...it was hugely challenging for a time, but necessary to nail for the conviction and resolve required. But I feel strongly there are as many paths as there are individuals, that authenticity is necessary to ensure we each live the path we most desire, contained within that is the way for us.

    For me the way is about aligning my physical self with my higher/greater self (not really higher, but you know what I mean when I say that). Like I said, Iím flying blind but I have my heart and conscience to navigate with.

    I think awareness is the key though, without awareness weíre limited to acting on whatever desire is strongest in any given moment (fear also being a desire to avoid something) which is the result of a combination of genetics, environment, and experience.

    Without awareness weíre fated to live according to programming, not our life but the life of a will thatís effectively stronger than our own individual will. And awareness seems to be an effect from a level weíre mostly not conscious of, so I consider my role in that to be to listen, take notice, learn from experience, and incorporate it into the character of my physical self.

    With awareness we can reshape our own environment with focus, have more expansive experiences, and our genetics can encode accordingly. We can sculpt the character of our physical self to act on the desire we choose in each given moment this way.

    This is a very cool topic of conversation, thereís a whole lot more Iíd love to write about this but this post will be getting long. Iíll cut it short by ending with this - yes, I agree that faith is crucial, but I think thereís much more to it, and an authentic life is paramount. For me at least, the way can be boiled down to staying in and seeking the mystery of life, while objectively observing, learning, and incorporating what Iíve learned into my character. I figure that sooner or later Iíll have aligned my physical self enough to remember.
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    Jesus God and Life's Purpose

    A lot of answers here in line with this thread.


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    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    What purpose is served by the illusion of being separate from Source?
    For the purposes of higher learning perhaps

    Or karmic entanglements lifetime to lifetime that make a person's outlook so bleak they convince themselves there is no higher power

    Edit: I interpreted this question from an atheist perspective initially

    Maybe we're all here to bring more light into the world. As spiritually disconnected and hard as it is. This impairment we all have leaves us longing for something. Longing for our true homes with Creator as divine beings. Yet we are needed here. Were just beaten down from this world as this whole world has amnesia. Theres only a handful of active divine humans on this planet. On this free will planet.

    What if we're truly all high caliber spiritual beings using this setting for higher learning. And to help the divine cause that is humanity's continued existence on this planet
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    Let me add a simple analogy to this thread. In the airline industry simulators are used to present a planned situation to the pilot(s) in order to learn how s/he will react. Technicians do their very best to make the situation feel as real as possible, and it works fairly well. If the pilot in test has not accepted the situation as real, then the test results will be meaningless.

    Now, if in our real lives we were to know that it is an illusion, then we would not bother to react as planned. We might just sit there as the building burned down around us. The illusion must be real as possible. It must also last a lifetime. Hey! I know that life is an illusion, but when that truck is bearing down upon me I will forget the illusion and get the ---- out of the way. It's all too real!
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    Perhaps this experience is like getting totally involved in a movie and briefly forgetting that we are the audience, not on the screen. All the emotions, drama, joy and pain are experienced to some degree. But for what purpose? Why do we go see a movie (?) may offer a clue.

    From another perspective:
    We all are ghosts, wearing a meat suit, riding a fast moving rock hurtling through space.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    Another question:

    Why incarnate on a 3rd dimensional world and purse a mission while in complete amnesia?
    ...
    Part karmic ---if we disliked a certain culture--then guess what we get this time?
    Ha, Chris I tend to agree!! I think it's possible I might have been an alien who was disgusted by humans in a past life and now I am getting my comeuppance...

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    Perhaps this experience is like getting totally involved in a movie and briefly forgetting that we are the audience, not on the screen. All the emotions, drama, joy and pain are experienced to some degree. But for what purpose? Why do we go see a movie (?) may offer a clue.

    From another perspective:
    We all are ghosts, wearing a meat suit, riding a fast moving rock hurtling through space.
    Yes, a lot of the "masters" have used that analogy of play/movie to speak of our entanglement in this physical reality and the amnesia we get caught up in.

    Why do you go to a movie? For amusement and laughter; for a thrill of watching a hero fall from a building and save himself; to study human behavior and psychology. To see yourself, vicariously as hero or lover. But some, myself included, sometimes (often) go as an escape--an escape from daily bs, work, problems. But also, I've noticed, an escape from myself. From having to think about what I don't want to think about, about myself. (Too many abouts!)

    So if people come in for the forgetting that allows them to be terrified, to study duality and contrast, to laugh at the folly of "amnesiac" spirits, do they also come in to escape? From what? Boredom, perhaps, of being in a state of sameness (no matter how blissful) ? Could they also want to escape because they don't want to evolve spiritually, deal with lessons accrued from incarnating? And so they decide to take another body? That seems far-fetched but...who knows? Why do some kids quit high school when they've go so many resources available to them?

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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    Perhaps this experience is like getting totally involved in a movie and briefly forgetting that we are the audience, not on the screen. All the emotions, drama, joy and pain are experienced to some degree. But for what purpose? Why do we go see a movie (?) may offer a clue.

    From another perspective:
    We all are ghosts, wearing a meat suit, riding a fast moving rock hurtling through space.
    Yes, a lot of the "masters" have used that analogy of play/movie to speak of our entanglement in this physical reality and the amnesia we get caught up in.

    Why do you go to a movie? For amusement and laughter; for a thrill of watching a hero fall from a building and save himself; to study human behavior and psychology. To see yourself, vicariously as hero or lover. But some, myself included, sometimes (often) go as an escape--an escape from daily bs, work, problems. But also, I've noticed, an escape from myself. From having to think about what I don't want to think about, about myself. (Too many abouts!)

    So if people come in for the forgetting that allows them to be terrified, to study duality and contrast, to laugh at the folly of "amnesiac" spirits, do they also come in to escape? From what? Boredom, perhaps, of being in a state of sameness (no matter how blissful) ? Could they also want to escape because they don't want to evolve spiritually, deal with lessons accrued from incarnating? And so they decide to take another body? That seems far-fetched but...who knows? Why do some kids quit high school when they've go so many resources available to them?
    From my observation of the differences between other people and myself, I'd say there is more plausibility in your above hypothesis than what most people would be willing to acknowledge, and that the refusal of most to accept this is what then leads to escapist excuses for reincarnation as the alleged soul trap on the moon, or some cosmic obligation to reincarnate in order to deal with unprocessed karma.


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    Oversoul, soul, high self, inner being.
    What are the differences, if any?


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    Drive for a while I will see how it feels."
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    I tend to use--mind --intellect-- Self
    Mind can be trained and the subconscious part takes to do with running the body and habit.
    Intellect makes the decisions which hopefully the mind carries out--but the subconscious part, it has a will of its own and has to be trained.
    The energy comes from Self which is awareness and probably the field of vast potential.
    These are just labels.
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    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    Oversoul, soul, high self, inner being.
    What are the differences, if any?
    It serves me to see it as a color spectrum, with no clear divisions at all, but just a gentle transition. With that image it gives me more access to accept all the "levels" of info without negating the importance of any. ie - physical, mental, astral, spirit levels, higher self, oversoul, and on up to (?) All part and parcel of the rainbow, so all important, all Go(o)d.
    "We're all bozos on this bus"

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    Quote Posted by wnlight (here)
    @ ExomatrixTV, It seems to me that you have asked enough questions here to inspire an entire course in spirituality.

    I was NOT alone in that of course

    §=[Post Update]=§

    What if the "higher self" are all (experiences & insights) in all parallel universes of you combined ... and are eventually all connected ... there has to be only 1 timeline that is a win-win for everybody in a Multiverse that can be of service to all timelines.


    §=[Post Update Edit Correction]=§ "I was NOT alone" (i forgot the 'not', sorry for that)
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

    What if the "higher self" are all (experiences & insights) in all parallel universes of you combined ... and are eventually all connected ... there has to be only 1 timeline that is a win-win for everybody in a Multiverse that can be of service to all timelines.
    Then we are closer to identifying with the Eternal Now which in one sense we may never have moved away from.
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    Just wondering
    "What purpose is served by the illusion of being separate from Source?"

    Because your "Ideas for self-reliant living during financially turbulent times"

    I'm just wondering

    Maybe it's not a purpose, maybe we always misunderstood the meaning of the Source?

    Science and mythology have fertilized each other. Religions existed before science, apparently. At least those animistic ones and they all went to a Source.
    All religions have a cosmogony, as it all began, that is, they establish without a right of appeal that there is a beginning to the universe (except for Hindus as far as I know, where the universe has a cyclical existence, without beginning and without end).
    May the religions of the world aim to erase the Source from our memory once lost?

    Starting from the most common premise, some scientific arguments have been sought and found for a beginning, but I doubt that a man can completely free himself from the feeling that something is inaccessible to reason itself, in man.Maybe just ignoring the frets of thoughts, the unconscious intentions, the kitchen of the mentalization of existence. That is, if in us there is something beyond reason, how can we think that the universe with its infinity is fully cognizable?
    Is our Reason our only Source and we delete it moment by moment?

    But,

    surely somewhere comes a purpose of someone, whom we serve without wishing by the fact that man has given various claims of master of the earth and bleacher of nature and he believes that the whole universe belongs to him and then he begins to measure it, to to lock it, to put some fences of property, in time and space such as our constellation, our galaxy, our solar system, our sun, our earth.
    How children and naive we are, when we are of the Earth, of the Sun, of the solar system and of the Universe itself which can be the Source itself right here right now.

    While speculating, maybe it was a knowledge gap in which scientists put everything in their power to destroy the idea of creative divinity, not that we had any idea of any creative divinity that deserves this name outside of the entire universe, but the idea to hide the story is indeed very embarrassing for a thirsty mind of knowledge especially because the Big-Bang theory is for me vulgarly it puts an arbitrary axiom from which assumptions leave and we arrive at some puzzles so physically removed untouchable for us to reach lastly the Divinity again, which is convenient for many unfortunately.

    It strikes me that until a certain moment our pride is nourished by knowledge, only at more knowledge it returns to normal dimensions and this idea has roots so deep that to doubt it means to throw yourself in the void, but does not we do it? Aren't we really the Source? I'm definitely throwing myself into the void.

    Inflation theory says that new universes are forming right now and then in reality we don't know if there is a beginning or we live virtually to learn but there is even sadder that we do not know whose beginning because already between the previous row and the one in which I write, I am yet only a human being and the universe must have moved on (so be it? Do I ask fair the Source with my kindness? Or did I give myself the answer I am already asking?)
    Every human is a question asked to the Spirit of the Universe,again and again,because every human is an endless row of humans and in all humans together dwelling the Great Human Spirit.

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