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    Oh, the lower like bottom grade THC content plants that have the highest CBD that I like both the flavor and true relief from are Painkiller XL strain, and Fast Eddie strain. Both of these were bought local and have 6% THC which is basically not going to be even noticed by an old stoner from the 50's in two or three hits in the morning. The pain relief and nausea relief is truly remarkable. I also use the CBD drops which control upset stomach quite a bit and highly recommend them. Just in case anyone was wondering. You can add that to your study I guess. There are probably other strains I could try but that is the two local varieties they offered me based on my treatment plan which was mapped out by like five different specialists and none of them objected to the pot, most highly suggested I have it on hand and one flat out admitted they could not provide anything better.
    I have always thought that smoking it was the last thing we should use it for, therein lies the idea that CBD drops would be a good route...
    I never thought that. Honestly I don't know when that thought originated because historically it's been used in drinks, and smoked in small doses for asthma relief that is also quite immediate as well as ingested in other ways by various cultures. I don't know that pain relief was one of the uses but I don't know that it wasn't. I do know that Shaman in the Navajo villages I lived and worked in use it to settle their stomachs during Peyote ingestion ceremonies. Compared to other things I can use the smoke is more immediate relief both for nausea and for joint pain remarkably or I wouldn't use it. Compared to Motrin the joint pain relief is an added bonus because Motrin sometimes takes forty min. to kick in for me. I didn't see that joint pain relief coming from smoking but remarkably it has provided me with great relief particularly in my thumbs and my elbows.

    My routine doesn't cause any real issues for me six to ten tokes to finish three one hits a day isn't going to hurt anyone and its certainly not being noticed by my doctors. Anything, even water can be abused tho. Blaming a compulsive habit that is likely hereditary is looking for a needle in a haystack really. I don't see marijuana as strong enough to induce any of the things mentioned and it's simply not had any paranoia effect on me. I have witnessed the paranoia in friends but lets talk about that.

    In my experience, the paranoia I witnessed in every single friend I grew up with that smoked was simply because weed was illegal! They worried about being discovered and they worried someone would notice they were high or see their eyes! Remember their frantic searches for the Visine cause "MOM"s coming! That was the paranoia was that they'd be caught or noticed! The incense, the scented candles, the mirror dangled smelly things in the car? All about paranoia of being caught! Now that isn't even an issue for those same friends and they all still smoke and none of theme exhibit this paranoid feeling anymore it left with the license making them legal.
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    As an aside, I heard a cop refer to the mirror dangly things as a "felony forrest" so they seem to be some kind of a dead giveaway for our militarized police and an invitation to search you and your car.
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    There's another important ingredient and that is one's susceptibility to addiction. There are many opinions as to what goes into the generation of an addiction or the creation of an addictive personality. But one opinion that is held widespread is that usually once a person becomes addicted to something (or, as in my case, many many substances as well as many behaviors) it is extremely rare if not unheard of for seriously addicted substance abuser to one day learn to "control" their intake. In my case, I never learned to control it and had only one choice, risk another eventual psychosis or abstain completely. Since January of 2012 (save for a very stupid four day slip about 4 years ago), I have maintained perfect abstinence from all substances. My family and loved ones are grateful.
    Kudos, Sammy. If I may ask, is it a constant "battle" while abstaining? The stress of the constant vigilance appears to me to be so draining for so many. Have you discovered any tricks to make the cloud just dissipate?

    It always kind of annoys me when I am asked "Do you drink?" or "Do you smoke pot?" It's like a double bind question to me. No, I am not an abstainer, but yes, I will have a couple glasses of wine or tokes in a relaxed setting, by choice. Perhaps it is motive that determines the extremes, ie relaxation, expansion, social connection, or escapism. And what I pick up as the key that throws off the balance to the extremes is usually Pain (with a capital P!) Whether physical pain, mental pain, psychic pain, spiritual pain. And right now, there is a whole lotta pain in this world.

    PS - it is the pain I see that pains me. I try my best not to ever add to it.
    Every time the thought of smoking again crosses my mind, I think of where I am presently versus where I was when I was addicted.

    The thought leaves me instantaneously...

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    There's another important ingredient and that is one's susceptibility to addiction. There are many opinions as to what goes into the generation of an addiction or the creation of an addictive personality. But one opinion that is held widespread is that usually once a person becomes addicted to something (or, as in my case, many many substances as well as many behaviors) it is extremely rare if not unheard of for seriously addicted substance abuser to one day learn to "control" their intake. In my case, I never learned to control it and had only one choice, risk another eventual psychosis or abstain completely. Since January of 2012 (save for a very stupid four day slip about 4 years ago), I have maintained perfect abstinence from all substances. My family and loved ones are grateful.
    Kudos, Sammy. If I may ask, is it a constant "battle" while abstaining? The stress of the constant vigilance appears to me to be so draining for so many. Have you discovered any tricks to make the cloud just dissipate?

    It always kind of annoys me when I am asked "Do you drink?" or "Do you smoke pot?" It's like a double bind question to me. No, I am not an abstainer, but yes, I will have a couple glasses of wine or tokes in a relaxed setting, by choice. Perhaps it is motive that determines the extremes, ie relaxation, expansion, social connection, or escapism. And what I pick up as the key that throws off the balance to the extremes is usually Pain (with a capital P!) Whether physical pain, mental pain, psychic pain, spiritual pain. And right now, there is a whole lotta pain in this world.

    PS - it is the pain I see that pains me. I try my best not to ever add to it.
    Every time the thought of smoking again crosses my mind, I think of where I am presently versus where I was when I was addicted.

    The thought leaves me instantaneously...
    That is addiction which was something you were predisposed to before you met the plant. So again on these issues the plant can't take the ding for what genetics brought to the table here. You are the cause of your addiction not the plant. The plant just identified that potential in your make up. It's the exact thing alcoholics say about the thought of drinking again.

    I believe people drink for different reasons. Alcohol is the social lubricant. I was quite Asperger like as a child, very autistic leaning and smoking a little weed and a couple beers is all it took to make me 'normal' and suddenly I fit in. This was in my teens and my late teens at that but had it not been for that I don't know that I could have mustered the nerve to break out of my shell. It lowered my inhibitions enough to let me cut lose with life I never once felt like these things held me back. I have absolutely no regrets about any of either. So I hear and see key differences in my story from others here.

    My life is the same now as it was when I smoked. I've always been a 'micro-manager of time. Most dentists are as we live in 20 min. increments. :-) Seriously though the management of time is just one aspect of management. You have finance, all your necessities and car maintenance and so on for your house but I tend to plan and my wife too. As a result maybe our character or maybe education I don't know was the diff. but it has not changed or affected my relationships, or my situation. I really don't give it that kind of power over me.

    I make those decisions. We have no debt. I own everything, four cars, well three trucks and a jeep but they are mine and the house is mine, the lots and land I have is all mine I have no notes no bills other than electives. I've smoked with one long break in life from it totaling fifteen years leaving more than this for smoke time and I'm pretty sure if I had never smoked at all I'd still have developed prostate cancer and would have had to have had my prostate removed but I'm not so sure I'd have ever left home. I probably never would have went to school out of fear, and I never would have met my wife. When I look at my siblings all still at home having never tried pot even once I see what I'd be because I often wonder if that isn't the defining diff. between why I ended up as I did and they where they did since I mean, I'm the 'Stoner' in the family but yet when someone needs money who do they call? Clear throat here quite loudly~ What was that stereotype you called me again while you stand there asking for what was it? HELP? From me? The what was it you called me? Yeah there was some pay back. While I take full responsibility for where I am and the decisions I made to get here I often do think it was the plant that helped me to see it. To understand it and branch out. Then in my own time separate from the plant times smoking it I went about making it happen and went out and saw the world. My siblings are all close to mom, never having gone much of anywhere but other counties nearby. All but one never even left the state.

    Reading this it becomes obvious to me that more people than I realized are giving away their personal power to alcohol and this plant when they really don't have to. They just have forgotten their own strengths.
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    On Joe Rogan podcast #1109 with Matthew Walker, Professor of Neuroscience and Psychology at the University of California, they discuss the effects of marijuana on sleep. Apparently the REM stages of sleep are bypassed when falling asleep high, which can cause a re-bound effect later. Our brains need all stages of sleep and according to Walker, the lack of REM sleep can cause real problems in people who drink alcohol or consume marijuana before sleeping. Worth a listen.

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    Hello every one. As has been stated earlier, everyone is different.

    For me, eating it is my way. there is no inhaling, and coughing my ass off.

    I actually become more energetic when I use it. Also more alert.

    Parinoid too. But when I am parinoid, I am very alert to my surroundings. I can see things unfold, so to speak, before they actually do. therefore, I can avoid any negetive outcome.

    Just me.

    Respect all others reactions to mary jane.

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    Hi Sam, Thanks for sharing...I hear what a struggle this was for you. I understand how out of this world intense this state is...and experiencing it 10x is massive. I'd be curious to know your thoughts as to whether this would be different if we didn't live in such a harsh, unsupportive, and medicalized society. As I wrote about in Jump in the Blue, I was hospitalized with what the doctors labeled psychosis. I can only speak for myself, but I believe that if I had had wise people around me who understood the cosmic elements as well as the process, who could have held safe space for me and allowed me to go through the journey... i may have come out the otherside without need for medical intervention. I do not know because I was forceable strapped down and medicated...and when i awoke was back in normal reality.
    What are your thoughts on Paul Levi's work?
    Item by item… “I'd be curious to know your thoughts as to whether this would be different if we didn't live in such a harsh, unsupportive, and medicalized society.”
    I could write pages and pages on this very question. The short answer though is, “Of course.” But having said that, in my own experience, the emergence of the psychosis still would have happened. I am jumping ahead here a bit, but I am increasingly coming to the theoretical idea that long term heavy use of potent (high THC percentage) marijuana causes metabolic reactions that exacerbate and/or accelerate what eventually becomes a psychosis. Let me further clarify, I do not conclude THC causes this. I conclude that my form of ingestion (smoking it in a bong) and how that smoke and all the smoke brought into my system, eventually ignited the psychosis. The THC is the psychoactive compound that induced the shamanic journey experience. By combining the effects of “the high” with the reality of my life (a challenging one), it was easy for me to become addicted.

    So to all readers, please, see the points I am making with regards to my own (and only my own) personal experience combined with my extensive research and some of the theories I have tied into the whole matter. What if (and this is my current view) I presented a unique combination of psychological vulnerability and physiological vulnerability whereby when I tried marijuana and then became immediately addicted, my form of ingestion and that which I ingested through that form set of a series of physiological/psychological/psychospiritual changes whereby that doorway to the dark forces flew wide open. Each psychosis always began with a change where I started having psychic experiences. In time, paranoia would emerge.

    When I would begin to experience an increase in the two, that’s when the psychosis experience would begin. The time it took for the first psychic experiences to become full blown psychosis was short in my youngest days – maybe a month or two. But as I got older, the time frame expanded. By the time I had my 8th experience (1989) it took several months and in fact, was one of the only two times I did not end up in a psychiatric facility).

    My tenth (and last experience) was the most important experience of them all. For one, I had not used marijuana in the form of wake and bake for eleven years. In addition, for the full two years prior I had not touched any other substance including alcohol. In fact, for five months prior to my re-entry into the use of marijuana, I was completely without any substance of any kind. Yet when I found myself once again trying marijuana (August of 2010 and one month short of my 53rd birthday), I started daily use which, within a few weeks became the daily, all day routine. Why did I do this? Because that mid-August day when I tried marijuana again, I went into an amazing state of what I call hyper-quantum synchronicity (psychic). That type of experience is so incredible and so beyond mundane, boring, waking state five sense reality, that I instantly went back to daily use. It took 15 months for the paranoia to begin. Once that began, it took less than two months for a full-blown psychosis to emerge.

    What is vitally important to me and why I created this thread must be re-emphasized. IMO we best not lose sight of how I have characterized the psychosis experience – essentially that it opens the door (or pushes the already open door even more open) to demonic intrusion. THAT is the reason I created this thread.

    “As I wrote about in Jump in the Blue, I was hospitalized with what the doctors labeled psychosis. I can only speak for myself, but I believe that if I had had wise people around me who understood the cosmic elements as well as the process, who could have held safe space for me and allowed me to go through the journey... i may have come out the otherside without need for medical intervention.”

    I agree 100%. Psychosis, however it comes about… whatever might be the underlying factors and/or causes, if understood to be what (at least to me) it seems to be… an opening of a doorway to higher zones within the Grand Reality - all maya, all illusion to some yet to those like myself who have experienced psychosis, especially dark psychosis, as much as I want to see it as maya, the fact of my experience suggests it as all too ‘real’ at the experiential levels of our being. Psychosis all too often leads to self harm and/or the harm of others. Yet there are those who experience states that seem much the same as the states where dark psychosis emerges whereby these states produce incredibly positive experiences.

    And so, my question has been, is it the state that is at fault? Or is it the state of affairs of one’s current reality experience and the state of affairs of one’s spiritual, mental, emotional well being at the time they enter these states that informs the experience? I would put my money on, “Yes.”

    Our world appears to me to be almost completely insane. My individual state was screwed up from my earliest memories and though I could point to circumstances that some would consider as the reason, but in all honesty, from the age of six years old onwards, I was a very disturbed kid. So by the time I had my first real psychotic break (age 19), I was ripe for the experience to be a dark one. And the treatment I found myself having to endure (the psyche facilities) had no clue how to deal with me. Interestingly, I was diagnosed bi-polar. But after I came down from the raging psychosis, the drug they used to bring me down was discontinued. And no other medication was used. I returned to the five-sense world but never forgot the details of the psychic experiences that filled the episode. As of that experience, I was convinced there was more to reality than the mundane, material, five-sense world, despite what mainstream science was so strongly pushing.

    “I do not know because I was forceably strapped down and medicated...and when i awoke was back in normal reality.”

    That’s sad to read. I was fortunate as they withdrew the “anti-psychosis” medication quickly and so I emerged slowly and thus had continued to experience psi. And the good thing for me was that I felt safe and so the paranoia went away. But also, as the days marched on, that psychic stuff all diminished and indeed I found myself once again in the five-sense world. But also, it felt like a prison and I never forgot the experience of an expanded reality. In fact, that was what always enticed me back into use.

    Lastly, What are your thoughts on Paul Levi's work? I understand the views he holds and why he holds them.

    This quote attributed to Levy seems to some his view and concerns up –

    “Wetiko psychosis is at the very root of humanity's inhumanity to itself in all its various forms. As a species, we need to step into and participate in our own spiritual and psychological evolution, which means that we must focus our attention on and contemplate this most important topic before this virulent madness destroys us.”

    He combines two words – Wetiko and psychosis. From my understanding, Wetiko (described here) - suggests a grander, collective psychosis albeit that it manifests within individuals. If ever something like this may actually be “truth” this may very well be it. This virus is a "mind virus" and the infection stems from "evil spirits" (demonic entities in my vernacular). When I consider the plethora of reported individual experiences of demonic intrusion while considering how many have gone unreported combined with my view as to the state of affairs on Earth today, it would be no surprise to me there’s accuracy in suggesting this is a virus of the mind in the whole planet is infected. And that what we are facing is a mass psychosis. And that this is a mass demonic invasion.

    From the article –

    “According to Native Americans, Wetiko is an evil spirit that invades human minds. It’s a “virus” of selfishness.”

    And

    “…we live in an era where most psycho-social phenomena proves the existence of a “virus” of selfishness.”

    Levy offers a solution, shadow work, a clearly effective path to take. It is one of the tools in my own arsenal. Emphasis, one of many. And I have a long, long way to go in this regard.

    My opinion with regards to solution is that it all must emanate from the individual yet, practitioners of "evil spirit removal" can certainly play a vital role, what is most greatly needed is a complete opening of the mind of the masses of humanity that what we are dealing with is an invasion of that which is not easily reconcilable to our five sense, material realm but ever so powerful as to its influence, its impact. And that we need to move away from argument between us as to whether or not demonic intrusion is "real" and for those who are open to the idea it is indeed "real" need to avoid argument as to whose religious paradigm is most right about the matter as this is an exact result of the very demonic intrusion.
    Thanks for your well considered reply Sammy. Your last paragraph really struck me. It is interesting because since that time I have become a Quantum Healing Hypnosis practitioner and I am constantly blown away at how in sessions clients enter a state that feels very similar to the world I entered during my 'psychotic break''. While each session is completely unique in terms of experience, there seems to be natural laws that are consistent. I was not raised with any religion and largely take the approach that I know nothing for certain so I am very open.

    As an example of these natural laws--- a client was walking through a forest in this state she felt very childlike and was kicking something along the path. She then noticed that her energy went down as she kicked this object...and she could see its energy diminishing as well. Then she stopped and began caressing the leaves of tree along the path. When she did this her energy immediately rose and she could feel the energy of the tree increasing as well, and her sense of connection to it increased. Afterwards she told me that she almost didn't vocalise this as it seemed so obvious... but when she had returned to everyday consciousness she realized it absolutely wasn't.

    Other basic things that come through include: an understanding that we are eternal beings, continually learning and growing; or that there are other non physical beings that interact with us at an unconscious level; that there is a level in which everything that unfolds appears perfect; that our perspective influences how reality unfolds around us.

    These are a few which I find so fascinating!

    Another interesting similarity is that people labeled psychotic often experience themselves as being godlike, this can also occur in sessions. Just last week I had a client in an online session who saw himself traveling through space as an orb. He said he felt like a deity and that this state felt extremely natural...much more so than being in his human form.

    Obviously a big difference between these two ways of experiencing the wider reality is that in the 'psychotic' state the person usually accesses this state of mind accidently, without a guide, and are unable to return to everyday consciousness at will. This will add an under current of fear to the experience, which I believe influences the content of the experience. In contrast people who are guided into this space only experience it in a specific timeframe, in a space that feels safe and supported...so the experiences tend to be very positive and healing.
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    Bumper crop this year! Some seeding...

    King Tut is my favorite.

    Since legalization, I get mine half price. Thanks Canada!

    Will never stop.

    My experience is exactly the opposite, Sammy. Without it I would have developed a psychosis.

    Even as it is, I can barely get through the day...life is way too long.
    Forget about it

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Bumper crop this year! Some seeding...

    King Tut is my favorite.

    Since legalization, I get mine half price. Thanks Canada!

    Will never stop.

    My experience is exactly the opposite, Sammy. Without it I would have developed a psychosis.

    Even as it is, I can barely get through the day...life is way too long.
    You have no idea how much I wish I didn't have this strange proclivity.

    I had to finally face up to my own personal reality. (Speaking to myself) - Accept what you never wanted to (it took ten events to finally draw the line).

    Accept the fact that when I smoked marijuana, I always sank into addiction.

    Accept the fact that always and without exception, I eventually became psychotic.

    Consider that what I experienced during psychosis could have been demonically directed attacks... I can't necessarily "know" it was, but I sure do put my money on it.

    And weigh the fact that so much of the good that has happened in my life since 2012 would likely never have come to pass if I had been stoned during the last seven years even if I avoided sinking back into another psychosis.

    Why did I create this thread? For someone else, that's why. A potential "other with the same proclivity." You can shut out the demon(s) my friend. If I could do it, anyone can.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    I think I need to get to the bottom line as to why I acted on the urge to create this thread.

    Being convinced my situation is likely rare and perhaps extremely rare, it is not unique.

    Whether the extremely dangerous levels of psychosis reached (dangerous certainly to myself, but in similar cases, dangerous to others... cases I could cite if asked) had opened me up to experiencing "compellings" upon which I acted and then opened me up to hearing clear, audible voices in my head telling me to act on the thoughts of self harm, were experiences generated by -

    demonic intrusion

    evil physical non-human enities

    evil "other dimensional" or "other vibrational" non-human entities

    block op, gang stalking operations involving other humans

    that which involves non of the above and is purely self generated delusions

    If, as it appears to be the case in my own case, this eventuality never comes to pass regardless of all my other life circumstances without my introduction of smoking marijuana into the mix, I think its wise that I stopped using marijuana and that I maintain a "zero usage" lifestyle.

    Would anyone here disagree I shouldn't have stopped? Would anyone recommend I start smoking marijuana again?

    And so it is in the spirit of this particular post, feeling care and love for another who I have known only through cyber space... who might read this thread, might just find a way to free himself from this one particular ingredient of his daily life, remove it long enough to see if the evil aliens and their cohorts, black ops gang stalking CIA folks activities he feels are the source of his misery whereby he has concluded he is a targeted individual and can never escape the torment... that these experiences stop happening!

    And I must add this - perhaps he is (perhaps I am) a targeted individual, regardless of whatever may be the source... if, by removing that one single thing, smoking marijuana, gives me the ability to take the upper hand, to end the misery and constant torment, to change the direction of my life (as I did) where I find myself experiencing a life filled with an ability to be good in all sorts of practical ways for others, for my loved ones (whereas before I was a serious burden)... and good in ways like never before, for myself, why then, should I not consider finding a way to stop using marijuana (and I mean completely) and give it some time and see if perhaps the experience of being targeted goes away? (Like it did in my own case).

    I hope my friend finds this thread and reads it, especially this post.
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    Why did I create this thread? For someone else, that's why. A potential "other with the same proclivity." You can shut out the demon(s) my friend. If I could do it, anyone can.
    I agree with you. I was affraid to comment (before) but this post where you said (quoted), inclined me to talk a little bit about what I know.

    After life, If we was harrassed in life with addicted beings, (a type of vampirism), these energivore beings certainly will target you to make part of their group. Maybe this life its your time to go far away from them, because you know (by own experience) how evil is sucking energy from other, unaware about the harrasment.

    You are the first person I hear that implies the harassment of demons by marijuana, but I know this exist someway. It usually happens to traffickers who are also addicted, and need to traffic to support their own addiction, So, they live harassing others to buy the substance. The (ethical) law of attraction works in a sense that who harass others is harassed by others, So, what I think you are doing here, Its to Stop this vicious cycle from you, and giving a good example to help others Congratulations !

    I think the most worse substances that cause big problems to humans Is alcohol and cocaine, even because both are often consumed together. I know some persons that cannot live without drink alcohol, and after drink some doses, they saw another person, literally possessed. Regards that the eventual use of substances don't means be possessed, but the Excess and Sistematic use YES, even because its virtually a superhuman power, when an organism is able to absorb so much. That would be the a trigger to diagnose those who are seriously harassed by addicts.

    What they suck is vital energy, usually through the liver chakra. Then, they choose those who are addicted, in addition to supplying the substance already metabolized (energetically), the person provide vital energy which is their main need. But if you have a little of the substance they like, it's even better. So, its more easy to harass (vital energy) from who are addicted than who are not.

    So, the issue of being target by this reason can be seen not personal, and that's why if you stop the use, you stop to being harrased by demons, using the popular language. I apologize my bad english, but I'm trying to explain very complex (spiritual) phenomena, maybe one of the most evil and difficult to release. The energetic harrassment are not limited to addicts, but as I said, the addict turn that things more easy to happen, but absolutely not happen with everyone who consumes addictive substances. Everything is very relative.
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    What is vitally important to me and why I created this thread must be re-emphasized. IMO we best not lose sight of how I have characterized the psychosis experience – essentially that it opens the door (or pushes the already open door even more open) to demonic intrusion. THAT is the reason I created this thread.

    Psychosis, however it comes about… whatever might be the underlying factors and/or causes, if understood to be what (at least to me) it seems to be… an opening of a doorway to higher zones within the Grand Reality - all maya, all illusion to some yet to those like myself who have experienced psychosis, especially dark psychosis, as much as I want to see it as maya, the fact of my experience suggests it as all too ‘real’ at the experiential levels of our being. Psychosis all too often leads to self harm and/or the harm of others. Yet there are those who experience states that seem much the same as the states where dark psychosis emerges whereby these states produce incredibly positive experiences.

    The last sentence in particular is pretty much exactly what I am trying to say.

    With respect to Maya, it does not mean illusion as in nothing exists, it means like an illusion, a trick, or mirage.

    And then the altered state seems much more real and we wonder how it could still be under Maya.

    So if I had to find an English word for psychosis which could range anywhere from peaceful to criminally violent, I might try Intensity. The peaceful condition may "be insane" while obviously having no damaging behavior and instead being rather beneficial, but it is definitely more intense than ordinary waking consciousness.

    One can also be peaceful in a completely dark, silent setting, a cave. I personally love it. So there is a literal darkness that is actually fine, versus a sort of emotional darkness, which is undesirable.

    What Sammy is trying to say is difficult to express, but to me, this is one of the few areas where I can tell someone in their own experience has gone through pain but with a struggle for illumination that is reaching the bullseye. When you put that together with the attitude of responsibility instead of "demonizing", then you have something that is not just true but actually useful.

    In this sense, we have a power that I believe the average professional psychiatrist does not.

    It is a bit curious and different to me because in terms of a substance, I cannot relegate this to marijuana but would have to say LSD. Enough to know. I do not really like the Grateful Dead but some of it was from the leader of the band. That kind of thing. It's the same. It's sort of like a massive acceleration of something the body and mind can do on their own, which could take months or years of other stimuli, takes place in a few hours.

    I had some marijuana while I was in a self-induced psychosis recently, and I couldn't feel it. Acid is like that. One guy told me he started smoking cigars just so he would be able to tell he was smoking anything.

    So yeah I understand what psychosis is like from a drug or non-drug perspective, and I would probably call it Intensity compared to regular life, and the good or bad is just different versions of the same thing. Like when people have told me about aphorism or the feeling of ants crawling all over the body while the room is on fire, and, I'm pretty sure that was like me, except they lost control of it. I can understand that if it goes wrong you could really turn in to a rubber room loony. I've been so close to both that and to doing some extremely bad things that I think it is both true and important to "use as directed".

    On the other hand, it is much, much easier to learn about it by slipping into the insanity or the unpleasant emotions and watch the control go away. Much more common. If we think we know what we are talking about, and try to intercede with someone about whether they are possessed, I don't know how it would go. But if there are examples of "it happened to me", if I can admit to being just as screwed up but finding an effective way to handle it, could this be more reliable than the opinion of someone who does not really know what they are talking about?

    Wetiko is an alternate of Wendigo which is like Jersey Devil or lycanthrope, and yes, if you start going under the plunge anywhere around the east coast and into the midwest, you are getting this. It may be something like a different flavor of what in Japan may be called Suicide Demon. Something like a living mental illness that attaches itself to weak people and if it takes over enough then they become beast. Maybe it is the same out west. I do not know too much about them or it specifically.

    Well, I suppose there are other things capable of doing the act of possession, so I should just say it continues to spread, along with other dangers.

    Yes, a year of downcycle followed by paranoia can put you on your knees before it.

    It "is" a demonic invasion, sort of in the way that a volcanic eruption is a lava invasion and so forth. In this case, if it has no target, it can't do anything. It is "energy looking for mental illness" like an electrical socket is looking for an appliance.

    "When consciousness is in the hold of any external object, it is in the grip of a demon." -- Yeshe Tsogyal

    What is she saying...it's some kind of mirror that shows the inner self which is something the ordinary person should not get too close of a look at, because it is very cloudy with demons. We are surrounded, we are subject to their influence regularly, and if we succumb, they will just take us. She is saying we need to change the relationship with the outer world since there is no "other". Nothing out there to make our consciousness twist. Anger is baseless and desire has no root.

    One must sacrifice the ego.

    One can struggle to do so for one's own, but, that of another person, when wrapped with something non-human and maybe non-intelligent, can be difficult to impossible.

    I have had a couple chicks "protect" me from stalkers of their own, by staying away. At least two. How many is that? One of each. In the first case, I am thinking probably, Wendigo-esque insanity, and in the other, probably Golden Dawn or O. T. O. or something. The first one for instance tied the girl to a tree in the middle of nowhere, raped her, and left her there. You could get killed or anything. This stuff is for real. And yet I understand what motivates them. At times I really do feel anguish that is so extreme I start wanting to go for it. The only real difference between me and a stalker or anyone like that is that I never act it out and keep it in control until it goes away. I can say I definitely feel the Wendigo trying to get in. But I adhere to the North Pole so to speak.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    What Sammy is trying to say is difficult to express, but to me, this is one of the few areas where I can tell someone in their own experience has gone through pain but with a struggle for illumination that is reaching the bullseye. When you put that together with the attitude of responsibility instead of "demonizing", then you have something that is not just true but actually useful.

    In this sense, we have a power that I believe the average professional psychiatrist does not.
    absolutely wiseful !!

    I apologize (staff Mods and members) to post sequentially here, but the whole contents deserve be careful appreciated.

    I also add that psychiatrist it's not the best professional option to search a good solution, because a psychiatrist will probably medicate with neuro inhibitors, and these almost cases its not "neurosis". A good psychologist and good therapy should solve the problem much better, because If stop treatment with a neuro inhibitor, the problem returns and there are still side effects that these drugs cause in the body. So, would be virtually exchanging one addiction for another. Only the doctor and the drug manufacturer make profit out of it.

    Here (my country) we have a popular saying that goes -- Who have good friends, never need a psychologist, neither therapy !!
    We use this jargon to induce a friend to pay the bar bill while he tells his problems and we analyze, sincerely. It's a joke, indeed, but works !
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    People all have 'cannabinoid receptors', and judging by name alone, sounds to me like those are intended to be receptive to cannabis. Not trying to condone cannabis use - I just find it telling that we have these receptors at all. Same thing with 'cancer cells'. I mean, WTF do we even need those for.

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    Quote Posted by rogparan (here)

    Here (my country) we have a popular saying that goes -- Who have good friends, never need a psychologist, neither therapy !!
    We use this jargon to induce a friend to pay the bar bill while he tells his problems and we analyze, sincerely. It's a joke, indeed, but works !

    Yes, exactly, and I have a feeling that you know because you do it.

    Here, we manufacture the disease by isolating and wearing down individuals until they no longer have a network of trust. That is why I think the degree of neurotic delusions in this country is unheard of in most other places. For "all we have", there is a strange dedication towards ignorance and mental illness, which then allows "experts" to gain an unusual degree of power.

    In fact I intimidate a lot of people who are uncomfortable with the "subconscious surge" of how I suppose I flush madness to the surface or into the field of awareness. It seems to me they are really uneasy about something about themselves and don't want me to know. Others understand, and, I've been given a pretty big basket of secrets and dirty laundry, and in those cases where I helped someone get through it, that is what I have actually done with my life. Nothing else seems to matter the same way.

    And then some of what is behind some of these terrible secrets is the Wendigo and right now I am forced to deal with it in some way again. It tried to take me and came quite close and almost had me and I sort of hit it with Thor's hammer. Or I did that to another human brain.

    The aftermath of clearing it away from my aura is that later it goes back to another person, and so I am still surrounded, you see.

    I promised the host I wouldn't smash it any more and I need a new tactic yesterday. This is no beer as a social drug. Way past that point. All I know how to do is fight. This is a predicament.

    I might just say you have Lung and put up Wind Horse but I don't know if there is even a chance.

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    But it may not be complicated in growing cannabis in cycle, cheers

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    But it may not be complicated in growing cannabis in cycle, cheers
    Apologies, but your post has nothing to do with this thread.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: Marijuana - a most complicated matter

    Allow me to interject a few thoughts into this discussion.

    First, if smoking cannabis sometimes triggers bad things to happen within you, don't ever smoke cannabis again. Don't mistake anything that I write for a recommendation to smoke cannabis - it isn't. I decided to add to this thread due to "errors and omissions" noted in several posts.

    On the eve of legislation legalizing cannabis in the US, it's kinda sad to see this discussion of a proclivity to break into a state of psychosis when smoking cannabis, wrapped in decades old - obviously very effective - propaganda.

    "Marijuana" is a weaponized nickname for cannabis, like "wacky tobacky" or "devil's lettuce" or "dope." Sharp Avalonians know that propaganda/narrative control is the primary psychological manipulation tool of the Ruling Class, and the US-centric Empire exploded into the science of manipulation by propaganda with Bernays work merely the catalyst. Aware of the historical to present manipulation of perspective by casting cannabis as "marijuana", none of us should ever use the word "marijuana" again. There is no such plant in scientific literature. The plant in question is the genus "Cannabis", with "sativa", "indica", and "ruderalis" as the three existing species of the cannabis genus (and thousands of varieties combining the genetics of the species.)

    Cannabis is not addictive. The word "addiction" has a specific scientific meaning, and there are no compounds in cannabis that even come close to meeting the criteria for addiction. Chronic nose-picking, chronic hair-twirling, and chronic masturbation are also not addictions. Behavioral patterns are not addictions (even though addictions include behavioral patterns.)
    "Marijuana Induced Psychosis

    ...how could the circumstances I described above be conclusive that the psychosis was induced by marijuana usage? Studies. That’s how. And there has been more and more studies that are increasingly conclusive that people who have a predisposition to developing psychosis significantly increase the risk psychosis develops by usage of marijuana....

    ...

    So again, to pro marijuana folks, don’t get defensive based on what I wrote above. It's simply facts. But I have more facts that may be appreciated more.

    The percentage of the population that have this proclivity is at most, about 5%.
    "
    You have given a sense that there are numerous studies linking cannabis use to psychosis. Even if it was true, it is deceptive to mention any scientific study done on cannabis or cannabinoids (maybe with the exception of Raphael Mechoulam in Israel, who thumbed his nose at the US/UN restrictions on studying cannabis) over the past decades, because researchers had to declare what they were studying to try to get a permit. No permits were given to researchers unless the research was to prove a negative property of cannabis. There is a scientific dearth of study of cannabinoids in humans, and, for example, cannabis oil caregivers have to cite a rat study for data on blood-brain barrier regulation of cannabinoids, in fighting brain cancer.

    I do not doubt that someone predisposed to bouts of psychosis might be triggered into that state by cannabis consumption. Or sugar consumption. Or low blood sugar. Or dehydration. Or a burst of adrenaline. Or lack of sleep. Or radiation/frequencies. ... If someone is in the fortunate position of knowing what triggers such episodes, that person can - and should - avoid that trigger.

    (I'll throw in an aside here, and mention that the modern Western medical phrase "evidence-based medicine" is a euphemism for, "backed-up by a pharmaceutical study of a synthetic pharmacological substance conducted by a prominent commercial pharmaceutical corporation." Always bear in mind that this is the pharmaceutical industry trying to establish the Rockefeller-founded petrochemical-medicine industry as the sole authority on medical substances.)

    In 1985, something amazing happened in Western medicine: a new system was discovered within the human body! You know, like "skeletal", and "muscular", and "vascular" and "endocrine" - a whole new system was discovered! I'll bet it wasn't on the cover of your newspaper, or even on the cover of the scientific publications of the day. Astoundingly, the new system discovered was quickly understood to actually be the top-level "super-regulatory" system of the human body, regulating other regulatory systems! The system discovered was named the endocannabinoid system. ("endo-" means within the body; "phyto-" means from plants; endo + cannabinoid = endocannabinoid. phyto + cannabinoid = phytocannabinoid) Phyto-cannabinoids are cannabinoids, such as THCa and CBDa, from plants. Endo-cannabinoids are cannabinoids made by the human body.

    So, our bodies make cannabinoids, we have receptors for those cannabinoids all over our bodies, and that endocannabinoid system is the high-level system in charge of regulating other regulatory systems. Endocannabinoids are neurotransmitters, "programmable messenger molecules." The first endocannabinoid discovered was called "anandamide", and (to cut to the chase), THC is a mimitic of anandamide. Again, the phytocannabinoid tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) mimics the main neurotransmitter in the endocannabinoid system. [conjecture]I believe this explains why cannabis is listed as helping with or curing disease in so many various systems throughout the body and so many different conditions: the THC molecule is seen as anandamide by the body, programmed for some task, and utilized as a neurotransmitter to affect some process. When a patient takes in phytocannabinoids, the body gets a flood of cannabinoids, and since they are generic/programmable for various maintenance and repair tasks, the body is able to send out more messenger molecules to address conditions more quickly.[/conjecture]

    Just as it is possible for the human body to have too little or too much of some substance produced by the body (serotonin and melatonin as examples) that affects brain/mental/emotional functioning, it seems logical that substances either produced by the body or plant-based substances that mimic their functionality can be in concentrations that are too low (see the work of Dr. Courtney Cox) or too high - and that could also affect brain/mental/emotional functioning.

    Underscoring that phytocannabinoids have triggered psychotic events and "citing" that a study showed that 5% of the population is subject to psychosis with cannabinoids leaves a false impression - since 100% of people have cannabinoids in our bodies at all times. It's a meaningless (and misleading or even false) claim without specifying thresholds and the chemical specifics of the substances taken, along with a baseline of the patients' endocannabinoid levels. Synthesized THC and over-refined cannabis products (like fractionally distilled THC) act completely differently from their natural and unrefined counterparts. (Cannabis contains over 100 different cannabinoids, terpines, flavones, plant waxes, chlorophyll, etc. Cannabis does not equal pharmaceutical or refined cannabis products.

    I'm of the opinion that no one should smoke anything, nor run into burning buildings or work in a coal mine or a woodshop without a particle mask or even a full respirator. However, there should not be any legislation at all regarding smoking anything, and instead the government should simply fill a role as a truthful, forthright presenter of information and recommendations. Cannabinoid medicine will be one of the 3 largest segments of new 21st century Western medicine, along with stem cells and physics (light and other frequency emitting, and magnetic) devices. Combustion (releasing carcinogenic toxins) is the worst way to deliver the medicine.

    I bothered to write all this up because of my studies of cannabis, and especially of its medical benefits. I also have no problem with those that take-in cannabis simply for the euphoria/fun of it, and note that the shelves in the pharmacy that hold all the mood-altering medicines are not labeled as "recreational." It's all medicinal, whether taken for mood or pain or sleep or cancer.

    The legalization of cannabis in the US will happen when the rich scumbags that rule the US from behind the curtain have everything in place to make billions of dollars from cannabis - and not one moment before. The proposed federal legislation nets the US federal government 5% tax on all sales of all cannabis products (other than "hemp" products, hemp being a nickname for cannabis that the US government hijacked and assigned to cannabis with less than 0.3% THCa/THC in the plant material.) So, with that oh-so-predictable mobster skimming off the top mentality, I believe that legalization is actually going to happen in the near future. The billionaires are ready to open the faucet of the cannabis cash stream, and the Mafioso-esque US government is set to get their cut.


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    From the perspective of someone who has been a consumer and proponent of live foods (whole, raw, sprouted, fermented, cultured) for much of my life, I've arrived at the conclusion that the application of high heat to anything that is to be consumed is in most cases destroying part of what makes it useful and valuable to the body.
    I used to smoke marijuana back in my younger days, and was witness to a lot of other people smoking it regularly, but I stopped once I started on a spiritual path--meditating, eating healthier, making better use of my time, etc. --because it felt to me more like smoking grass was dumbing me down and making me tired and lazy rather than giving inspiration, enjoyment or enlightenment of any kind.
    For those who smoke it in order to relax, to enjoy, to "open their minds", etc. I think it can be effective up to a point, but at some point, all too often, I think it can become a psychological crutch and begin to have the opposite effect.
    Whereas I have much higher hopes for cannabis products in their more natural state, such as full spectrum whole hemp extract.
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    I believe marijuana should be legal... stated in many of my posts. Legal or not, there are risks to smoking marijuana... and I haven't even touched dabs.

    I believe the public would benefit from knowing the risks. The corporations pushing legalization have a massively funded suppression campaign of the facts. Anyone here remember Big Tobacco?

    That's the bottom line and the heart of all my posts. People almost always believe what they want to believe and sometimes at their own peril. I know a member of this forum who I care for who, in my most sincere and humble opinion, could benefit from putting it down until their other significant issues no longer dominate their life... issues that Jerry Marzinsky confirmed to me just a few days ago can indeed be exacerbated by smoking marijuana. That was the whole purpose of the thread. Written by sharing my own experience and my solution.
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