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    Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about a new incredible discovery that plants (tobacco, tomato and cactus at least) scream producing loud high pitched noises when under stress!
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/507590v4.full

    Reader friendly version from Smithsonian Magazine

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    Cleve Backster, back in 1966, wired up his plants to a skin galvanometer. This is what he found.
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    The most memorable passages described the experiments of a former C.I.A. polygraph expert named Cleve Backster, who, in 1966, on a whim, hooked up a galvanometer to the leaf of a dracaena, a houseplant that he kept in his office.

    To his astonishment, Backster found that simply by imagining the dracaena being set on fire he could make it rouse the needle of the polygraph machine, registering a surge of electrical activity suggesting that the plant felt stress. “Could the plant have been reading his mind?” the authors ask. “Backster felt like running into the street and shouting to the world, ‘Plants can think!’ ”

    Backster and his collaborators went on to hook up polygraph machines to dozens of plants, including lettuces, onions, oranges, and bananas. He claimed that plants reacted to the thoughts (good or ill) of humans in close proximity and, in the case of humans familiar to them, over a great distance.

    In one experiment designed to test plant memory, Backster found that a plant that had witnessed the murder (by stomping) of another plant could pick out the killer from a lineup of six suspects, registering a surge of electrical activity when the murderer was brought before it.

    Backster’s plants also displayed a strong aversion to interspecies violence. Some had a stressful response when an egg was cracked in their presence, or when live shrimp were dropped into boiling water, an experiment that Backster wrote up for the International Journal of Parapsychology, in 1968.

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    https://theweek.com/articles/467913/...-have-feelings


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    "Science fiction writer and Church of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard developed a theory that plants share human emotions; in 1968, Life magazine ran a photo of Hubbard plugging crocodile clips into either side of a tomato, an experiment that Hubbard claimed as proof that "tomatoes scream when sliced."


    "Most provocative of all was a 1973 book titled The Secret Life of Plants, which featured the experiments of Cleve Backster, a polygraph specialist convinced that plants could read minds"

    His book came out in 1973 but apparently Backster was the first to conduct experiments with a polygraph meter back in 1966.

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    I first read about some of the phenomena above in "The Secret Life of Plants", published in 1973, written by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird.



    When I looked at Tompkins entry on Wikipedia, it states that he was an OSS officer working in Italy during WWII. And Cleve Backster, who experimented on plants, was an interrogation specialist for the CIA.

    I find it a little ironic that while a CIA man and an OSS man were studying plant consciousness, at the same time, the CIA was running the MK-ULTRA program studying human consciousness, in collaboration with former Nazi Germans brought to the U.S. by OSS officers through Operation Paperclip. Of course the CIA experiments were highly illegal and done covertly, while the plant consciousness experiments were publicized (and ridiculed). As someone who was forced into one of these consciousness experiment programs without permission or clear explanation of what it was, I feel some sympathy for the poor plants!

    Tompkins is also the author of "Secrets of the Great Pyramid" and "The Magic of Obelisks".

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    So we know plants communicate, even vocalize now, have memory, recognize predators, feel pain, etc...
    Sounds like they have consciousness.
    How does this impact being a vegan?

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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    So we know plants communicate, even vocalize now, have memory, recognize predators, feel pain, etc...
    Sounds like they have consciousness.
    How does this impact being a vegan?
    Plants pick up on feeling of human gratitude and this alleviates much of their stress (that was in one of the three videos, I think the last). Next time, thank them for their nutritiousness and deliciousness before you thrust them into your roasting oven or into boiling water!

    What upsets plants is cell death, so perhaps the most friendly diet to plant consciousness would be a raw food diet, where you are consuming living cells (not heated to more than 140 degrees Fahrenheit) into you living body. This also gives the cells new life, as they transfer from being part of the plant kingdom to the animal kingdom. Just think, next time you munch down on some lettuce, you are launching the consciousness ascension process for that leafy green!!!
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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    So we know plants communicate, even vocalize now, have memory, recognize predators, feel pain, etc...
    Sounds like they have consciousness.
    How does this impact being a vegan?
    Plants pick up on feeling of human gratitude and this alleviates much of their stress (that was in one of the three videos, I think the last). Next time, thank them for their nutritiousness and deliciousness before you thrust them into your roasting oven or into boiling water!

    What upsets plants is cell death, so perhaps the most friendly diet to plant consciousness would be a raw food diet, where you are consuming living cells (not heated to more than 140 degrees Fahrenheit) into you living body. This also gives the cells new life, as they transfer from being part of the plant kingdom to the animal kingdom. Just think, next time you munch down on some lettuce, you are launching the consciousness ascension process for that leafy green!!!


    I found the above image on the internet, which is very close to the image of our tree. About a year ago, our Starfruit tree went through severe freezing nights. For about a month after that, we thought our starfruit tree had finally died, because there were no new leafs that sprang out. So one week, I spent several days placing my hands on the tree and gave it healing energy for about an hour a day for several days. On the fourth day, a new small cluster of leaves sprang out on a small stem. Over the next few days more clusters of leaves sprang out. Today, the tree is full of new branches, blossoming and producing tasty starfruits. I believe I was able to revive the tree that otherwise might have died. So I know that we can certainly impact plants and trees, and vice versa. Most starfruits tend to be on the sour side, but ours are rather sweet, almost as sweet as a Midsweet orange. We also have two very sweet naval orange tree.

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    So we know plants communicate, even vocalize now, have memory, recognize predators, feel pain, etc...
    Sounds like they have consciousness.
    How does this impact being a vegan?
    Plants pick up on feeling of human gratitude and this alleviates much of their stress (that was in one of the three videos, I think the last). Next time, thank them for their nutritiousness and deliciousness before you thrust them into your roasting oven or into boiling water!

    What upsets plants is cell death, so perhaps the most friendly diet to plant consciousness would be a raw food diet, where you are consuming living cells (not heated to more than 140 degrees Fahrenheit) into you living body. This also gives the cells new life, as they transfer from being part of the plant kingdom to the animal kingdom. Just think, next time you munch down on some lettuce, you are launching the consciousness ascension process for that leafy green!!!
    I agree but my point is that all these traits of plants we’re learning about, that I mentioned a couple of, seem to me signs of consciousness. Traits of survival imply they don’t consciously want to die. So whether you’re eating them raw or cooked wouldn’t seem to matter.
    My 24 year old son is eating a vegan diet and has for several months now. I ate vegan for about 7 years earlier in my life. I am not as strict anymore partly because it seems no matter what I ate it was something with consciousness. I wonder if others are viewing this as plant consciousness or maybe I’m stretching it a bit.

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    Some years ago when I was a college student I worked afternoons at a small local company that bought and sold capacitors of all types and sizes.

    It was noticed that inventory of the larger sizes showed a few were missing. An inquiry was started and suspicions were causing discomfort among the staff and a solution was sought.

    One of the owners, George, a very interesting man in his own right, knew the authors of the Secret Life of Plants and invited them to the company for a demonstration. When one of them arrived, I don't recall which, George spoke a bit about consciousness, humans and plants and introduced the author who also spoke about how and why he became interested in plants and consciousness.

    The author set up a polygraph and asked for a volunteer whom he then set up for questioning. He instructed him to answer several basic questions accurately, then to answer the next 5 questions and lie on one, his choice. It was easy to see which one was a lie of course. What had been a set of nice sine waves on the graph paper for all of the other questions turned into sharp spikes for the lie. The poor liar was embarrassed and turned red when caught lying about the color of his pajamas.

    Next he attached the galvanometer to a plant. He asked the plant how it felt about being watered and the person who had the plant on her desk and a few other questions. All questions produced nice, smooth sine waves on the graph paper. When he asked the plant how it felt about the lighter flame he had just produced the sine waves grew a bit tighter. When he asked how the plant felt about being burned as he moved the lighter towards the plant it produced sharp, fast spikes. As he put the lighter away the spikes moved back to tight waves and eventually sine waves again. All the during the demonstration he was speaking about the plant's response and pointing out the resulting graph results.

    George then spoke briefly about the missing items and asked the thief to come forward and gave a few options. The next day we learned who it was and that he had written a letter with an apology, that he was leaving and gave an explanation of why he had stolen the parts. He didn't actually know why, he was just fascinated by the shapes!

    It was a very interesting and humane way to catch a thief.

    Everyone was relieved, things got back to normal and everyone got back to work.

    Of course I had to buy the book. It was one of the books that was an early inspiration for me and had a big impact on my life.
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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    Traits of survival imply they don’t consciously want to die. So whether you’re eating them raw or cooked wouldn’t seem to matter.
    I was vegetarian (not vegan) for about 5 years, but am eating meat on 2 to 3 meals a week, so I am not preaching any type of diet for others here. Not sure if there is any way to live as a human being that doesn't impact the rest of the world without some negativity. Sometimes I say "let's try and minimize it" and others I say "Hey, look, fried chicken!" Never the less, I consciously consider (sometimes) not just how it died, but how it lived. Factory raised animals have no life while free range livestock probably had a much better quality of life, and wild, hunted animals, the best.

    A fried of mine, a fruitarian, insists that fruits, the part of a plant that is most exterior and will leave the rest of the plant behind, actually desire to merge with your body and are very happy to be eaten. I don't have any scientific evidence to back that one up though.

    Also, one other insight I have from a session of Quantum Healing Hypnosis (Delores Cannon) I had where I was regressed into another life (a previous life of "mine" ???) I was some very simple life form - a slime mold cell, or a plankton - not sure, my consciousness couldn't tell me about how the human world classified me - my big priority in the world was to find light and turn to it and receive nourishment from it. As some point I was damaged and felt that this would cause me death. I was completely content with that probability, felt no fear or anxiety, just accepted that was what was going to happen. This makes me wonder if simpler life forms are conscious of life and death, but more accepting of the process? Not sure a human can ever know the answer to this question.

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    Default Re: Scientists Heard Plants Produce Loud Screams When Damaged!

    Do plants read minds or are they aware of there inviroment from other,perhaps undiscovered sence.

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    The Secret Life of Plants (1:35:00)

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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    So we know plants communicate, even vocalize now, have memory, recognize predators, feel pain, etc...
    Sounds like they have consciousness.
    How does this impact being a vegan?
    ...
    Next time, thank them for their nutritiousness and deliciousness before you thrust them into your roasting oven or into boiling water!
    More importantly, this should be done for all animals consumed.


    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    What upsets plants is cell death, so perhaps the most friendly diet to plant consciousness would be a raw food diet, where you are consuming living cells (not heated to more than 140 degrees Fahrenheit) into you living body. This also gives the cells new life, as they transfer from being part of the plant kingdom to the animal kingdom. Just think, next time you munch down on some lettuce, you are launching the consciousness ascension process for that leafy green!!!
    A human body doesn't "incorporate" any whole plant cells into its body. While we might not be killing the cells before we put them in our mouths, be assured that the chewing and the digestive agents (acids, enzymes) slowly break down (kill) all those plant cells until they are all nothing but dead goo, with the remnants pulled apart molecule by molecule and reconstructed into things your body wants to make out of it. The same it does with anything you put in your stomach. Maybe a quick cooking death is better for the plants "suffering"?
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    Quote Posted by samildamach (here)
    Do plants read minds or are they aware of there environment from other,perhaps undiscovered sence.

    no, but they can sense intent (which is more logical to do! ... but ... still there so little they can do anything about it). Maybe there is an Universal Empathy Law that all sensitive sentient life-forms can detect if they want to tune in to that Field! By doing so you become more connected with all that is ... Kind a "May the Force be with you" idea.




    "undiscovered science" indeed
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    How can we talk with Mother Earth?

    How do you talk with Mother Earth?

    Do you know how to talk with Mother Earth?


    We all talk about the earth all the time, but that’s something different. I mean talking directly to her.

    There’s a lot of talk about taking care of the environment, stopping pollution, growing organic food, preserving forests, etc.

    But again, that’s just talking about her.

    It’s like talking about someone who’s right in the same room with you while you otherwise ignore them. Sort of rude, isn’t it?


    Why should we talk with the Earth?

    The Earth we live on is alive.


    1. Introduce your children to her: In the opening pages of The Wind Is My Mother, Bear Heart describes how a mother will take her newborn outside and introduce it to the elements: the four directions, Mother Earth, the sun, the breeze, water, fire, moon and stars.

    To the Earth she said:

    “Dear Mother and Grandmother Earth, one day this child will walk, play and run on you. I will try to teach him to have respect for you as he grows up. Wherever he may go, please be there supporting him and taking care of him.”

    Teach your children: “Let your every step be as a prayer.”

    A Native American friend of mine takes her 7-year old child into the garden each morning to greet the trees, plants and grasses. That is a child who will grow up loving and caring for the Earth.


    2. Dance: your feet bless the Earth with joy when you dance. Native American dances are considered blessings to the Earth. Joy always brings blessings and good health. Dancing on the Earth transmits that joy to her.

    3. Make offerings and say thank you: “Even today, in our respect for the land, if Native people are going to take something from it, be it herbs, a stone or Earth itself, we always give an offering, usually tobacco, in return. Then we very gently take that herb or stone — because this is the face of our Mother Earth that we’re marring — and we pray that we will use it in a good manner.” Bear Heart

    source and full text :: https://www.mollylarkin.com/talk-with-mother-earth/

    .................................................. ..........



    I am reading a book again about this at the time. The connection native americans have to nature and how they respect and care for mother earth. To thank nature and mother earth for everything we receive from her is a very necessary and important part of it.

    I believe all or most of us have to learn how to get better connected to nature and mother earth again and to show respect to everything which is offered to us by her
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    Quote My 24 year old son is eating a vegan diet and has for several months now. I ate vegan for about 7 years earlier in my life. I am not as strict anymore partly because it seems no matter what I ate it was something with consciousness. I wonder if others are viewing this as plant consciousness or maybe I’m stretching it a bit.

    Matt
    Matt, I hear you

    The entire diet debate , vegan vrs meat thing always seems to me to be rooted in more human ego issues at the end of the day. who's better than who etc, because as this is bandied about, we are walking on , sitting on, crushing and cutting grass, stepping on ants, aphids , killing spiders, bees nests, using bug spray, cutting flowers etc and the list goes on. It is impossible to leave the house and return home without being the cause of some living things pain and loss in a sense . All is interconnected and all is conscious . The entire issue in my mind is, where is your heart and soul? Are you awake and aware, conscious to these realities and thankful, grateful and appreciative . Or are you indifferent and uncaring, selfish and disconnected to all other life be it rock, plant, animal or fellow human?
    For me it comes down to who are ? and only you the individual can know that .

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