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    Default Re: What is Clif High smoking? (Anatoly Fomenko's theory of the "New Chronology")

    He also keeps talking about the start of the Sci fi world, we shall see...in just 10 days
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    Like Bill I have thought that since we each are born from parents (with parents etc.), they would surely have told us SOMETHING concerning the true history if so different. But there are no oral histories in my own family at all really so maybe???? I just don't know. However I think revisionists have an agenda that clouds their POV. The revisionists want to write history their way also.

    What interests me is that rather than compression of everything into a 1000 years, the more likely issue is the advanced age of our underpinnings. Also, the "dark ages" applies IMO only to Europe really. There was sophistication and science and culture dating WAY BACK and known for thousands of years (millions???) until rediscovered. Examples abound

    The latest I watched


    THE MAIN GRIPE FOR ME:
    IMO but backed by evidence of stupidity, cupidity and willingness to hurt others despite its certain blowback
    We are possibly on a trajectory to lose the future.......

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    When I did my DNA trial years ago well ahead of the curve due to never knowing much of my paternal side of the family at all they went back seven generations and made offers continually to go back even further if I wished to pay for it. So suppose you went back ten or fifteen generations!? Isn't this proof by itself that Cliff is off? And for that matter so is the Fomenko.
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
    Your claim about just "one person, or three people living simultaneously" is a myth. The simple fact that the University of Bologna was teaching astronomy and mathematics, which contradicts the assumption that during that time span only a few mathematicians were working in isolation.
    Yes, that would make perfect sense on every other thread in Avalon but not this one. But we are talking about the world of Anatoly Formenko and his New Chronology where all historical texts before 1620 were rewritten by Benedictine and Jesuit monks. And while I've only read 20 of the 4,000 pages of his new chronology, I was just making my best effort to re-align history in the same manner which he might have done it.

    However, if you want to debunk Formenko's history, 15th century math and science might be a good place to start. You would have to look at primary sources, at the physical manuscripts produced before 1620 and ascertain whether they were real or fraudulent. You would have to look about how dependent the work of one was on another. You would have to look at documents where they corresponded to each other or wrote about each other.

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    Default Re: What is Clif High smoking? (Anatoly Fomenko's theory of the "New Chronology")

    From what I have observed, history is relived over and over by each successive generation. Each make the same mistakes, gather information haphazardly, and stumble upon discoveries that accidentally lead to useful technology. The tech is then captured, exploited and sold at inflated prices. There is no goal and no guiding force of reason. It is just people living meaningless lives and wishing the unimportant were important - and pretending it is.

    It is embarrassing how we live these lives, and how little useful anything comes from each generation. Just more mouths, more lives, more triviality.

    And into this mix comes the next monkey wrench. Our history is shorter by 1054 years! I say it is still too long to claim significance for any one generation.

    We are farmed, we are lab experiments, we are genetic dead ends - take your pick. We are a species without a future, why do we think we deserve a past?

    Until we take hold of the reigns of our species' trajectory and consciously direct it we have no claim to a history or a future.

    The history as espoused is our masters' invention to hide the obviousness of our plight: that we are not in control of our lives.

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    Default Re: What is Clif High smoking? (Anatoly Fomenko's theory of the "New Chronology")

    As an aside Sanskrit written and spoken is many thousand years old --one of the most precise complex languages.
    I suspect it came from an advanced civilization--pre ice age--certainly not invented by hunter gatherers.

    I quite like statements made by spiritual "teachers" This one by Nasargadatta.
    Any concept--notion you come up with he would say "Thats not it"

    ACIM "Whenever you take up a position know you are identifying with an illusion"

    We can come up will all kinds of clever theories but no matter how well presented and logical, this does not make it true.
    Think this applies to this thread opening post and some others.
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    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
    When I did my DNA trial years ago well ahead of the curve due to never knowing much of my paternal side of the family at all they went back seven generations and made offers continually to go back even further if I wished to pay for it. So suppose you went back ten or fifteen generations!? Isn't this proof by itself that Cliff is off?
    That info by itself wouldn't be proof, but DNA could be used as proof if you had, with complete certainty, the DNA of a historical figure and could find it in you own DNA. For example, if you were the descendant of Thucydides, a Greek General, and we also had what was unquestionably his DNA and compared it to your DNA, and if the technology could tell us how many generation have elapsed (not sure if it currently can) we might be able to place that person historically. According to our consensual history, Thucydides died around 400 B.C., which would put him back about 120 generations. But by Formenko's history, Thucydides lived in the Eleventh or Twelfth Century A.D. (between 1001 AD and 1200 A.D.) which would only put him back about 45 generations.

    However, I don't think remains from a graveyard can provide reliable data because who knows who is really buried there. A lot of us aren't even sure if the grave of John F. Kennedy in Arlington Cemetery really contains his remains, and that grave isn't just half a century old and has been under continuous surveillance.

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    The BBC Panorama did a documentary on Yellow Stone Volcano--I posted it somewhere some time ago.
    Anyway DNA in females mutates and they were able to calculate that due to greatly reduced gene pool (bottle necks)there has be quite a few mass near extinctions of the human race--we are no talking about a few thousand years but for hundreds of thousands years the human race has been here and not as envisaged by Darwin.
    Edgar Cayce material worth a look --pre Atlantis.
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    Default Re: What is Clif High smoking? (Anatoly Fomenko's theory of the "New Chronology")

    And who is behind this conspiracy of history??? Well who else - - - THE JESUITS !!!

    Formenko refers to the conventional accepted version of chronology in History as "Scalagerian" after Joseph Justus Scaliger (1540 – 1609) a French historian who spent the last 14 years of his life in Holland. Before Scaliger, the chronology of Ancient history was based on Greek and Roman history. Scaliger compared the events of these histories to Babylonian, Egyptian, Hebrew, and Persian history to show what events were happening concurrently. Because Scaliger was Protestant and his work challenged the status quo, his work was fiercely contested by Roman Catholics, and especially the Jesuits. But he was invited and eventually persuaded to work at the University of Leiden in the Netherlands, where the Reformation was in full swing and where he work was well received.


    He died in 1609. Eighteen years later, in 1627, Denis Pétau (1583 – 1652) published Opus de doctrina temporum, a revised, abridged, improved version of Scaliger's work. Pétau was also known as Dionysius Petavius, and was a French Jesuit. The very order that ridiculed Scaliger's work had now co-opted and given very little credit to its originator.


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    This pdf from Danel’s website Conscious hugs covers a lot of topics including current miscaluctlaitons of historical dates and times. Daniel is a major advocate for Dewey Larson’s Reciprocal System
    and it is on the basis of this theory he comes to his conclusions

    Included in this paper,:
    1) geochronological time lines,
    2) Atlantean civilization,
    3) how solar systems form and that we have stellar evolution backwards
    4) there was never any planet that made the asteroid belt, disproving Velikovsky’s rogue planet theories and pointing out Sitchin may have had the wrong solar system.

    5) In regard to radio carbon dating what scientists believe dates back millions of years, is in fact only 1,000s of years

    6) Our current, 365-day calendar represents the way rotations and orbits occur now, but was this always the case? In order to be that static, rotation or orbit could not have changed over the millennia. The mass of the sun, Earth and moon would have to remain constant, despite all the meteoric dust they accumulate every day, and the internal structures would also have to remain constant—indicating that nothing much is going on inside the cores... not a very logical conclusion, given the observations. It makes far more sense that the lengths of the day, month and year have probably changed throughout our history.

    7) mankind was created by “God” or “gods” around 3761 BC, which we are incorrectly dating as 50,000 BCE.


    http://www.conscioushugs.com/wp-cont...I-Daniel-1.pdf

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    Quote Posted by leavesoftrees (here)
    This pdf from Danel’s website Conscious hugs covers a lot of topics including current miscaluctlaitons of historical dates and times. Daniel is a major advocate for Dewey Larson’s Reciprocal System
    and it is on the basis of this theory he comes to his conclusions

    Included in this paper,:
    1) geochronological time lines,
    2) Atlantean civilization,
    3) how solar systems form and that we have stellar evolution backwards
    4) there was never any planet that made the asteroid belt, disproving Velikovsky’s rogue planet theories and pointing out Sitchin may have had the wrong solar system.

    5) In regard to radio carbon dating what scientists believe dates back millions of years, is in fact only 1,000s of years

    6) Our current, 365-day calendar represents the way rotations and orbits occur now, but was this always the case? In order to be that static, rotation or orbit could not have changed over the millennia. The mass of the sun, Earth and moon would have to remain constant, despite all the meteoric dust they accumulate every day, and the internal structures would also have to remain constant—indicating that nothing much is going on inside the cores... not a very logical conclusion, given the observations. It makes far more sense that the lengths of the day, month and year have probably changed throughout our history.

    7) mankind was created by “God” or “gods” around 3761 BC, which we are incorrectly dating as 50,000 BCE.

    http://www.conscioushugs.com/wp-cont...I-Daniel-1.pdf

    Interesting trivia here: this is the same 'Daniel' as David Wilcock's insider contact who said he worked on the Montauk Project. No breach of confidentiality here, because
    1. David never personally revealed his identity, while
    2. It's actually pretty easy to figure out who he is (and also his real name).

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    Default Re: What is Clif High smoking? (Anatoly Fomenko's theory of the "New Chronology")

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    Interesting trivia here: this is the same 'Daniel' as David Wilcock's insider contact who said he worked on the Montauk Project. No breach of confidentiality here, because
    1. David never personally revealed his identity, while
    2. It's actually pretty easy to figure out who he is (and also his real name).
    I decided not to mention his real name, nor his many aliases - but as you say not hard to figure out. He has been seriously ill with cancer, but seems to have turned the corner over the last month

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