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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Well, if the mastermind of the Soleymani attack was on board and some CIA agents, ... it may well be that the United States wanted to get rid of them. But it may also be that they only wanted to get rid of the mastermind and that the agents were part of the collateral damage. Sorry, but that happens more and more often.
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    Would the U. S. terminate some of its own assets and make it look like an accident? Yes, that is possible. This is after a year of having dropped a record number of bombs there, in a situation described as constantly deteriorating.

    They say they have retrieved the bodies, which may have been a gift, nothing says they have taken over the crash site, but accessed by helicopter. Moon of Alabama suspects Taliban may be receiving upgraded anti-air from someone, which fuels speculation that this could have been an Iranian assassination on an American commander, which they specifically threatened only a few days ago. This is in close timing with a massive wipeout of the Saudis around Sanaa and another burst against Aramco and a few Saudi airports.

    The Iranian side basically says "there will be surprises" which include "retaliation on their level" which also recently have become an open pact with the Houthis.

    Or, it could just have been a complete malfunction of one of the rarest planes, there are or were only four of those with the same gear. It was able to make a distress call. It seems to me if the Taliban had really shot it, they would have shown off some shrapnel holes or something like that. It is a bit weird after this month's loss of four craft which were all helicopters, which is much more likely they have the means to hit.

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    Yes, of course the puppeteers do not shy away from murdering their own people. I think there are some examples.
    Let's get to the bodies that were supposed to be a gift. Only who can say who they were before they died? If one of them was the mastermind responsible for the murder of Soleymani ...

    Then it could mean that those who shot the helicopter are better informed than the US suspects. Or they were informed that the mastermind is on board so that the revenge of (no idea who) hits him. This could also be evidence that someone is deliberately forwarding explosive information to whoever.

    But we come to the last unanswered question or guess.
    Was the mastermind really on board the helicopter? If so, what had he lost in Afghanistan? This allows two possible assumptions. The first would be. What did the mastermind want in Afghanistan, was there planning something against the Taliban or Iran? The next: Is it only pinpricks from the USA that are thirsting for a possible candidate by the Democrats?

    Shaberon. Yes that's right. Why exactly one of the four rarest airplanes that are all equipped the same way? Why always equipment that has a high value of the US Army or Air Force?

    I mean in the 9/11 attack, the WTC Tower and the Pentagon were chosen as targets. I would like to mention that the attack on the Pentagon was never cleared up. No wreckage from the alleged plane, no or minimal damage to the Pentagon area. Everything has been classified as Top Secret and the outside world has never really learned what exactly attacked the Pentagon.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentag...estruction.jpg

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentag..._security4.jpg

    Only these two photos show nothing, nothing at all. It was an internal job and the commander George W. Bush, carried out by the CIA. But that is in the past, although it could be repeated by Trump or someone elected as the new President of the United States.

    So a'la Nixon, make me President of the United States and you will get your war in Vietnam. As mentioned by others, a lot of new weapons are unused in the US Army camps, new US Air Force jets and much more. The same applies to the UK and Russia. Only who will be the suffering country? The Middle East again? Or an African country. But I don't think so, because Iran has too much oil and new oil sources are being found. So let's see what happens. I am sure that Shaberon will keep us all informed. Thanks Shaberon.
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    Today, in the same place, are reports of an Afghan civilian liner crash, which, the Taliban say was a military chopper they shot.

    The major loss of the E-11 is a modified business jet which usually goes too high for MANPADs, so it could only be hit by something like a Buk or S-200 or better, and it seems a little too intact for that. It is actually high altitude, "way above" 40,000 feet. All four of these planes are for use in Afghanistan in order to comlink all the targeting equipment, due to the terrain, no other system works.

    Veterans Today and Moon of Alabama have a way of pushing stuff like the suggestion the French really shot the Russian spy plane. And so here, they are the ones saying that Russian personnel had knowledge about the passenger. So far, the Pentagon admits the loss of no less than a Lieutenant Colonel as well as a Captain. Why they have to identify a crew that they provided, is not very transparent. Although they only mention acquiring two bodies. Perhaps only two could be picked up in one piece. If the U. S. tries to say there were only two on board, it would not make sense, because it has multiple departments to transmit friendly and intercept hostile communications.

    A Dutch court, or the Hague, just dropped a war crimes case against Netanyahu's upcoming election opponent from the Blue and White party. Switcheroo!


    Seems rather intact for a missile hit:

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    Ok, now the current situation in Europe, the EU has lost one of the largest and most powerful partners through the UK Brexit. Both financially and militarily. This opens up avenues, options that were not easy before the Brexit. That is my personal opinion, it does not have to be right ... but it could happen.

    40,000 feet is more than 12,000 meters high. A height in which passenger planes fly. So to hit an E-11 from the ground would be practically impossible. The E-11 reaches a speed of 800 km / h, if not more. I cannot imagine that the Taliban are so well equipped to successfully launch such a kill. As "Shaberon" already wrote, a Buk or S-200 or better would be necessary for such a shot. Which in turn means that something or someone else was involved.

    With the height and a hit of such accuracy, .. then the impact with the earth. No, certainly not, the plane is too well preserved for that. an S-200 works with a semi-active radar homing radar guidance system, possibly the most common type for air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles with a long range up to 160 km ... well who knows what really happened.
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    Those treated for injuries from Ain al Assad have increased to 64, although 39 are back to duty.

    Some type of sabotage may have affected the E-11. Again, it would be strange to just fall out of the sky. Maybe they should go back to the B-17, which could get home with one wing. It looks like the pilot tried to belly land the thing in flat snow, and maybe even did a decent job at it, aside from a fuel explosion.

    Due to the type of plane it was, if someone did launch a big surface-to-air-missile, it should have been detected, from which you would expect a retaliation destroying the launchers. Half of what the Taliban says is definitely worthless, some is not.

    Nothing more about the second crash; it would be rather odd for a civilian liner to go down in the same neighborhood just like that, and a military chopper that the Taliban possibly could hit, makes a bit more sense, to me at least.

    We have not heard any more about who set the Jeddah train station on fire, or hit the Iranian oil tanker with missiles. Ansarallah claims to have taken 800 sq km of territory around Sanaa, while killing no less than 3500 opponents. So far, it seems to me, they are more reliable than the Taliban, maybe not one hundred per cent, but a little closer.

    Apparently there was majority resistance in the military against Trump's assassination order, which was decided by a "very small group of seniors". Now the Congress is working against him on it. It really does seem to be international and domestic lunacy, even in banal terms like "political career". I am pretty sure this "small group" would be of "religious extremists" who apparently favor any kind of conflict with Iran, Syria, and Israel. It's not even a geo-political manipulation where they might be happy to give you 20% of your revenue, it's just about destruction.

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    Well, unfortunately it really is. The number of injured US soldiers increases every day. At the beginning it was 0, then it became 11, now 64 etc. etc. But now it continues up the spiral of violence. PressTV's report is about brain and head injuries caused by missile attacks ...? How is that possible if they were normal rockets? But don't we all know that already? Isn't it the same method that George W. Bush used or used as a pretext for the III Gulf War? Back then there was talk of chemical weapons, poison gas etc. etc. Well, what is the truth now? Is Iran now accused of launching rockets with possibly poison on the US facility?

    "Traumatic brain injuries" <---?
    The Pentagon has yet again raised the figure of soldiers wounded in Iran's retaliatory missile attack in Iraq earlier this month to 64, saying they have suffered “traumatic brain injuries”.
    What does that mean? Repetition of the III Gulf War? Or what exactly is it supposed to mean? That Iran has poison or chemical weapons? Is that what Trump or the Pentagon wants to sell to the world? The first plan didn't work, the murder of Soleymani. So is Plan B now in effect? Then the UK leaves the EU and everything repeats itself. Even the impeachment proceedings against Trump, where witnesses were not summoned or admitted.

    In the end the question to Trump. What are you planning now?


    "An important day for the Polish Air Force": Poland's President Duda has signed a billion dollar deal with the United States. 32 fighter jets are to be delivered to Warsaw.

    Yes, a very important day for Poland. Poland was involved in the III Gulf War, active as far as I can remember.
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    related - (a "maybe")

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/polit...men/index.html

    Washington (CNN)The United States conducted a strike recently targeting Qassim al-Rimi, the leader of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the terror group's franchise based in Yemen that has repeatedly expressed interest in conducting attacks targeting the United States, a US official told CNN on Friday.

    The New York Times reported that three current or former American officials expressed confidence that Rimi had been killed in a January airstrike in Yemen.

    Asked about the report, the Pentagon would not elaborate on the situation.

    "While we are aware of the reports alleging the death of AQAP leader Qassim al-Rimi, the Department of Defense has nothing to offer on this matter," a US Defense Official told CNN.

    The US government through its Rewards for Justice program had offered up to a $10 million reward for information on him.
    Officials continue to assess whether Rimi was killed in the strike through a variety of methods including monitoring social media and messaging apps regarding chatter about his possible death.

    The CIA declined to comment on the report.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    In the end the question to Trump. What are you planning now?
    My guess would be the usual (which comes with few exceptions), and that is whatever his neocon handlers tell him needs doing.

    Hopefully Tucker still has him on speed dial....

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    PressTV's report is about brain and head injuries caused by missile attacks ...? How is that possible if they were normal rockets?
    Concussive shock is pretty serious. One of the Danish soldiers in the Saddam-era bunker said the metal doors bulged in noticeably.

    The Saker has a detailed analysis of the aftermath, but a better thing is really in the comments. There were a "handful of unconfirmed Katyusha hits" near another U. S. Iraqi air base today, and, well, that exact subject is in the comment, along with some pretty good insight about the specific types of damage that happened from the ballistics. They also say no less than the Jerusalem Post ran the story that the CIA mastermind really was killed. Part of the important statement is since you will never get an "on the level" story about the CIA's failures, and there is no single source who can really expose it, you have to learn to "see through it", or try.

    Farnews was kicked offline by the Treasury Department, but seems to be coming up here. I thought it was a bit better than PressTV; perhaps they noticed the same. Today, they quote the NY Times of a Nuremburg prosecutor warning us how dangerously illegal the assassination was, and the founder of the Congressional Brain Injury (Committee?) about how the "headaches" remark is a mockery.

    Europe is railing against Trump's tactics, and some others are not well pleased about Jerusalem, the new capital. Yes, they are pretty interested in Poland, along with Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine, as if they were the District of Columbia.

    Al Qaeda is not really involved in the main struggle in Yemen, but they do have a smallish territory there. That doesn't exactly give us the right to conduct extra-judicial killings. Maybe we should just call the White House the Office of the Assassin.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    At sea, one of the first consequences was the turnaround of a Russian warship that just left the Mediterranean.

    Since then, Turkey sends two warships to Tripoli, while Syria finds so many mercenaries have been transported to Libya, their battle is easier. Still costly, in fact, but easier.

    Japan has sent a destroyer towards the Gulf, which, if it used force over there, would violate Japan's constitution. It is just to protect Japanese vessels, and what from, is not clear.

    France is sending over 500 troops to the Sahel, making the total more than 5,000, which is pretty substantial for a non-American force projection. I can't think of anyone else who's doing that. They also seem to be against Turkey about Libya.

    Ansarallah's gift to the Saudi coalition:


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    Turkey has also made it easier for themselves to pour in reinforcements, and they have managed to have an armed conflict with Syria.

    Syria is trying to make it to Saraqib, and if they can get control of that last leg of highway from the green, that is complete control of Aleppo to Damascus which is their main artery that they have not had for years:






    It is working but there are losses, even Russians and Iranian Quds, in fact a close companion of Soleimani was killed at Aleppo. That is realistic because Iran does not really have thousands of forces there as Israel claims, but, there are some officers like that, which never has been a secret.

    There probably won't ever be any updates to the E-11 since they claim to have destroyed the wreckage, however even Time has picked up on the fact that officials were so slow as to basically have no "response" to the "disinformation" about CIA personnel, and still they don't even deny it, all they do is talk about military losses.

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    There are those less hesitant to mention the CIA, Iran is about to execute one. Interestingly, right before the assassination, Netherlands and Denmark both arrested Saudi-based anti-Iranian spies.

    Syria is proceeding in Idlib despite Turkish reinforcements, and, it is surmised Russia may have shot some American drones. They shoot jihadi drones all the time that come in from the desert; this pair came from the Mediterranean, at the same time an American P-8 was making its closest pass ever. If so, it is considered an attempt to get them to turn on their S-400 systems.

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    On Iraqi television, a local resistance leader says Soleimani provided him with documents concerning Iraqi government leadership working for the CIA with snipers and so forth. Their business is mainly violence, including random Katyusha shots.

    Syria has gained Saraqib, which, apparently Turkey considers a form of aggression. Israel definitely does not like it and attacked Damascus at the same time.

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    Iraq is arguing that the December 27 attack on U. S. forces--the pretext for assassinating Soleimani--was done by ISIS at American discretion. The standard view that is emerging is that ISIS mainly operates as oil bandits at American discretion. This is not too surprising since it all started when an Iraqi army basically stepped out of their way and let them loot the banks.

    Israel's attack on Damascus injured some soldiers, but mainly obliterated a rental car lot which, presumably, was near the airport, since Russia is making noise about the missiles being fired when a civilian Airbus wanted to land and was diverted to the Russian base. They are like a monkey, they do this pretty much every time some takfiri gang gets wiped. Then they try to tuck their own planes back behind some civilian flight.

    As to whether Russia may have shot American drones, the MQ4 Triton drone that Iran took down, extracted the programming from, and can now switch off from thousands of kilometers, was likewise flying in the swath of a P-8.

    Syria has all of the highway linking Aleppo to Latakkia, there is only a weak pocket of resistance left in the whole area, which is crumbling fast. They also appear to be surrounding Turkish posts.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    a genuine bad guy got got. whats the problem? are you the guys who complain about epstein getting got? did you whine about rockerfeller getting got? i don't get it...

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    Quote Posted by stal (here)
    whats the problem?
    Here, it is being under a foreign occupier called the federal government, which in turn steals from us, and lies about its activities. Since these activities are the largest and most destructive in the modern world, I'll call it a serious problem. Much like a former drone operator says. The internal affairs of Iran, Syria, or anywhere else, are not our business.

    In that brief interview, you find a guy with a twinge of conscience being hazed by people who adore violence. I suppose the underlying root problem is that the majority of the human race are violent thieves. This has aspects that are difficult to see, but, Zionism should be pretty obvious.

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    In today's math, 64 is 109 when counting Trump headaches. It makes more than thirty who have not returned to duty.

    Iraq says the U. S. has started withdrawing from fifteen minor bases, and trying to hang on to Ain al Assad and Erbil. They likely are mostly moving to northeastern Syria, as there is not a whole lot Syria can actually do about it until Idlib is finished; convoys and new bases are already showing up there.

    They still haven't come up with anything that shows Iraqi Hezbollah did the Dec. 27 attack, which, from the circumstances of positions, seems unlikely.

    It appears to me that this behavior is believed by no one, no longer agreed to by most of Europe, and capable of failure.

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    Iraq has launched new attacks against ISIS in the Syria border region--refusing any assistance from Americans. The U. S. has indeed sent massive construction equipment from Ain Al Assad in Iraq over to Syria. In Qamishli, Syria, they are now being stopped by villagers who opened fire on them with light weapons and a few molotov cocktails. A couple APCs had to be towed away. This was not even a military action, it is National Defense Force and locals giving their opinion on U. S. driving wherever it wants. Russia stabilized the conflict.

    Meanwhile, India and Iran are finding their trade flow starting to work better without use of the dollar.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    hint; high level djinn worshippers and their subservient 'terrorist' cells are being tracked down and neutralised. some of them were on 'our' side.

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