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    Think this scenario:

    The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) was killed by Russian drones at Mexican airport.

    What does it mean to you?
    That's a very good analogy!
    Actually, this one better explains (from post 28)

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    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
    An excellent analysis:

    Bumping this. Yes, an excellent analysis it is.

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    and some more to consider/

    https://saraacarter.com/maryam-rajav...om-the-region/

    Qassem Soleimani was one of the most vicious criminals in Iran’s history. He was personally involved in the massacre of hundreds of thousands of people in the region and in driving millions of others from their homes. He was also the mastermind of the massacre of the Mujahedin-e Khalq (PMOI/MEK) in Camp Ashraf in Iraq, and of many other terrorist operations against the Iranian Resistance in that country, in Iran, and in other countries. With his elimination, the process of overthrowing the mullahs will be greatly expedited.

    Moreover, with the death of the criminal Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the head of Iranian regime’s proxy Bassij force in Iraq and a notorious murderer, whose crimes had been exposed by the Iranian Resistance since two decades ago, the time has come for the victory of the Iraqi people’s uprising and the liberation of Iraq from the Iranian regime’s occupation.

    Mrs. Rajavi added: While the prospects for the ruling theocracy’s overthrow is within reach, it is time for the regime’s armed forces to refrain from firing on the Iranian people, lay down their weapons and surrender. The armed forces’ patriotic personnel must join the people of Iran.

    Recalling the martyrdom of at least 1,500 children of the Iranian people and endless arrests during the November 2019 uprising, Mrs. Rajavi underscored: The international community, especially the European Union, must end the policy of appeasement and recognize the right of the Iranian people to resist and rise for freedom to replace popular sovereignty in place of the mullahs’ rule.

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    In the above RT video Scott Ritter says no, the guy wasn't a "terrorist," he was a "skilled combatant." They also spoke of him as being key in the fight against ISIS. So, this guy and his forces were fighting against ISIS and Al-Qaeda. Enemies of the U.S. And yet...what? What the hell is going on? Ah, Israel wanted this General dead for many years. And the PNAC crowd has wanted a war with Iran since before 9/11. And in terms of what this guy supposedly has done? What has Israel done in Gaza? What has the U.S. done for almost 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq? Devastation is devastation.

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    REMINDER: ‘According To The Washington Times Former President Obama Launched More Than 3,000 Strikes In Iraq And Syria without Congressional Authorization’



    While his Republican critics described Obama as “weak” on counter-terrorism and accused him of being “anti-war,” former Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, pushed back on this notion stating, “President Obama has authorized more military actions in Muslim countries than any previous president and that the most conservative estimate identifies more than 3,000 drone strike fatalities during his tenure, including much of Al Qaeda’s leadership. He is the first president since the Civil War to authorize the assassination of another American — Anwar ­al-Awlaki, himself.” Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic similarly defended Obama saying, “this president who has this reputation [of being weak] is the greatest terrorist hunter in the history of the American presidency. I mean, we just saw in the last week the 150 militants in Somalia wiped out by a U.S. strike. Who ordered that strike?”

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    President Obama's Super Aggressive Drone War In One Graphic

    Michael B Kelley Dec 14, 2013, 7:16 PM

    Earlier this week a U.S. drone mistakenly targeted a wedding convoy in Yemen, killing 14 people.

    It's not the first time U.S. hellfire missiles have struck a wedding party, and far from the only time civilians have been killed by U.S. drones in Yemen during the Obama administration.

    In total there have been upwards of 350 strikes targeting "suspected terrorists" so far under President Barack Obama — killing upwards of 4,000 people overall — compared to 52 strikes under George Bush.

    During the 2012 campaign, the commander-in-chief commented on the White House's aggressive targeted killing policies when he reportedly told aides that he's "really good at killing people."

    The claim is as indisputable as it is grim, the death-from-above mentality has set a dangerous precedent for the drone age.
    Here's a Reuters graphic of the recorded U.S. drone strikes under Bush and Obama:



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    While Obama praised the transparency of the response, secrecy still surrounds the vast majority of drone strikes that one senator estimated in 2013 had killed 4,700 people.

    This was only the second time, following a presidential speech that year, that Obama has acknowledged killing innocents. These have included a 16-year-old boy with US citizenship.

    Critics have lambasted Obama for conducting a counter-terrorism war almost entirely in secret.

    The American Civil Liberties Union in March sued the Obama administration for disclosure of critical legal documents underpinning what the administration calls its “targeted killing” program – including the criteria for placement on a list permitting the US to kill people, including its own citizens, without trial.
    Giovanni Lo Porto, killed in US drone strike, was ‘incredibly loyal’ friend

    Obama’s admission regarding the deaths of Weinstein and Lo Porto is likely to intensify criticism of the president’s drone strikes, conducted by the CIA and the military’s Joint Special Operations Command. A recent analysis by human-rights group Reprieve estimated that US drone strikes intending to target 41 men had killed 1,147 people as of November.

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    In Speech, President Obama Talks Drone War Policy | The New York Times:

    Obama Jokes About Killing With Predator Drones

    Obama’s Drone War Kills 178 Children with “Surgical” Precision

    ACLU & CCR Lawsuit: American Boy Killed By U.S. Drone Strike

    Is it Legal for the U.S. to Kill a 16-year-old U.S. Citizen with a Drone?

    Watchdog groups are criticizing recently released numbers on the number of people killed by American drone strikes outside of war zones.

    An unprecedented report released Friday reveals the Obama administration has killed more than 2,300 so-called "enemy combatants." But critics say the report significantly undercounts the number of "non-combatant" deaths.

    The news came Friday afternoon right before the July Fourth weekend, with the president signing an executive order aimed at creating more transparency for the drone program that he expanded. But it's precisely that transparency that now has critics asking whether the administration is revealing enough, reports CBS News correspondent Jan Crawford.

    While the Obama administration says it has killed over 2,300 enemy combatants by counterterror strikes, it acknowledged the harsh reality that the once-secret drone program may have been involved in anywhere from 64 to 116 civilian deaths since 2009 in areas outside active war zones.

    "The president believes that our counterterrorism strategy is more effective when we're as transparent as possible," White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said.
    But critics say they aren't transparent enough and now it's the lack of precision in those numbers getting scrutiny.

    "We're going to be asking really hard questions about these numbers. They're incredibly low for the number of people killed who are civilians," said Naureen Shah of Amnesty International.

    Even the highest U.S. government estimates are significantly lower than death totals compiled by watchdog groups. One estimates a maximum of 801 civilian deaths.
    Critics say the report also does not designate the region where the deaths occurred.
    Since taking office, President Obama has significantly expanded the drone program. Earlier this year he acknowledged there have been unintended consequences.

    "There's no doubt that civilians were killed that shouldn't have been," Obama said.
    In this latest reform of the program, Mr. Obama signed an executive order meant to protect civilians and make the public disclosure of civilian deaths by drone routine.
    "It's a clear statement by the U.S. government that the protection of civilians is at the core of national interests, of legal obligations, and an ethical concern," said Federico Borello of the Center for Civilians in Conflict.

    The ODNI said it is open to revising its numbers on civilian deaths should new information come to light. They also said the discrepancy in numbers may be because they rely on information generally not available to the public and that some of those numbers may be "complicated" by misinformation spread by terrorist groups for propaganda purposes.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    He was such a powerful person in Iran even the Supreme Leader feared him apparently.
    A bit like the Rebel Alliance killing Darth Vader.

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    Ok, but there is something I would like to mention. Trump or whoever ordered their attack and the killing of Soleimani. Has achieved something that even the Islamic government was unable to do on its own. The attack and obliteration of Soleimani ensured that the Iranian people were brought closer to the faith again. It ensured that even those who were against the regime now stand with each other. Fanaticism has been rekindled and Trump should now put this in order.

    Whatever Iran's answer will be, how it will turn out, nobody can really say yet. But that's not important either, because the United States has no answer to that, and Trump certainly doesn't.

    As I see it there will be no war. The United States will not attack Iran. To do this, they must expect more attacks in and outside the United States.
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    Quote Posted by Iyakum (here)

    As I see it there will be no war. The United States will not attack Iran...
    I wish I had your confidence in this scenario...

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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    I don't want to jinx it... but if the Iraq Parliament votes (noting that they are planning to do so tomorrow, Sunday) that US forces need to leave Iraq, and Trump seizes the opportunity and gets the US out, this may turn out a big win for those who wish for the US footprint in the middle east to be reduced.
    Iraq's Parliament calls for expulsion of U.S. troops
    Quote BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq’s Parliament called for the expulsion of U.S. troops from the country Sunday in reaction to the American drone attack that killed a top Iranian general.

    Lawmakers approved a resolution asking the Iraqi government to end the agreement under which Washington sent forces to Iraq more than four years ago to help in the fight against the Islamic State group.

    A pullout of the estimated 5,200 U.S. troops could cripple the fight against ISIS and allow its resurgence.

    The majority of about 180 legislators present in Parliament voted in favor of the resolution. It was backed by most Shiite members of parliament, who hold a majority of seats. Many Sunni and Kurdish legislators did not show up for the session, apparently because they oppose abolishing the deal.

    The vote came two days after a U.S. airstrike killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani at the Baghdad airport, dramatically increasing regional tensions and raising fears of war. Iran has vowed revenge.

    Meanwhile. amid Iran’s threats of vengeance, the U.S.-led military coalition in Iraq announced Sunday it is putting the fight against Islamic State militants on hold to focus on protecting its troops and bases. The coalition said it is suspending the training of Iraqi forces and other operations in support of the fight against ISIS.
    This has been qualified in that it is not the end of this decision-making process.

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    https://twitter.com/HanifJazayeri/st...28450194198528

    This may create some fear in some people.

    However, since this has been a planned (or strategized) action, I'm certain this possibility was considered before the action was taken.

    Still in observer mode ...
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    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    I don't want to jinx it... but if the Iraq Parliament votes (noting that they are planning to do so tomorrow, Sunday) that US forces need to leave Iraq, and Trump seizes the opportunity and gets the US out, this may turn out a big win for those who wish for the US footprint in the middle east to be reduced.
    Iraq's Parliament calls for expulsion of U.S. troops
    Quote BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq’s Parliament called for the expulsion of U.S. troops from the country Sunday in reaction to the American drone attack that killed a top Iranian general.

    Lawmakers approved a resolution asking the Iraqi government to end the agreement under which Washington sent forces to Iraq more than four years ago to help in the fight against the Islamic State group.

    A pullout of the estimated 5,200 U.S. troops could cripple the fight against ISIS and allow its resurgence.

    The majority of about 180 legislators present in Parliament voted in favor of the resolution. It was backed by most Shiite members of parliament, who hold a majority of seats. Many Sunni and Kurdish legislators did not show up for the session, apparently because they oppose abolishing the deal.

    The vote came two days after a U.S. airstrike killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani at the Baghdad airport, dramatically increasing regional tensions and raising fears of war. Iran has vowed revenge.

    Meanwhile. amid Iran’s threats of vengeance, the U.S.-led military coalition in Iraq announced Sunday it is putting the fight against Islamic State militants on hold to focus on protecting its troops and bases. The coalition said it is suspending the training of Iraqi forces and other operations in support of the fight against ISIS.
    This has been qualified in that it is not the end of this decision-making process.
    I would just add this perspective...read the comments following the tweet. God help the long-suffering Iraqi people, caught, as they are, in the middle of all of this...

    https://twitter.com/MPPregent/status...37121259216896
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quote Posted by ByTheNorthernSea (here)
    Quote Posted by Iyakum (here)

    As I see it there will be no war. The United States will not attack Iran...
    I wish I had your confidence in this scenario...

    Soleimani became too powerful and too troublesome for the regime in Iran. They had to get rid of it, so it was easy. Trump needed something to prove himself in the Middle East. Isn't it strange that he was killed by a drone or whatever? So many US Army troops stationed in Baghdad at the airport. They could have just arrested the general. To be able to create in The Hague and put before the court martial. But no, Trump had to set an example. The mullahs wanted to get rid of the general and the song is done. Both achieved what they wanted. It is all swept under the table slowly and quietly. There will be no war, no assassinations, nothing of the sort. Do you think about how often would US troops have had the opportunity to kill the general? Often enough, whether it's a drone, rocket, arrest or even Israeli operation. Why did you wait for so long? The time had to be right and now it was there, then they struck.
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    In the background of this, because there hasn't been a lot of news coverage on it.
    The communication channel between the US and Iran had not been fully closed.

    Reuters reported the use of a Swiss Envoy to send a message to Iran and the use of a Swiss envoy to send a message back to the US.


    I'm also considering the relationship of all this with the Uranium 1 deal that was brokered that sold US uranium that tracked through Canada, then Europe (I'm now considering that it was moved through the Ukraine), to Russia, North Korea and Iran.

    Quote Note: Rosatom also built the Bushehr nuclear reactors in Iran and supplies Iran with uranium.
    Just considering a broader context.
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    What does history tell us about the re-election prospects for the incumbent “war-time” POTUS?

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quoting from that tweet:
    Quote Iran's ppl however are overjoyed at Soleimani's death. As the #IranProtests have shown, they long for an end to the mullahs' tyranny #FreeIran2020
    Something doesn't add up ... this is only in Ahwaz, southwest of Iran and the first leg of Solaimani’s funeral procession. These people are not "overjoyed" at Soleimani's death, just the opposite.


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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quote Posted by Iyakum (here)
    But no, Trump had to set an example. The mullahs wanted to get rid of the general and the song is done. Both achieved what they wanted.
    Do you think that Trump and "the mullahs" worked together to assassinate Soleimani? You are using an awkward kind of reasoning.

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    https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/01/...ntdown-to-war/

    Quote ...we also learn Prime Minister Abdul Mahdi, said that Soleimani was due to meet with him on Tuesday to discuss a Saudi offer to de-escalate tension in the area...
    From H. Makow's Twitter feed

    Quote "No More Threats" -Trump Warns Iran "52 Targets Will Be Hit Very Fast & Hard"

    Trump's "52" refers to Judaic/Talmudic/Kabbalah : 52 = Moshiach's arrival & Isaiah 52 "Zion" ruler & Ezra re-built Jerusalem Walls in 52 days

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    What does history tell us about the re-election prospects for the incumbent “war-time” POTUS?
    It's significantly high.

    I think that this was not a factor in the decision for this action.

    Trump is already projected to win by a landslide.

    And, while it may be an unpopular opinion, I'm think Trump genuinely doesn't want to start a war.

    In the Doug Wead interview with Jan Jekielek, Doug told a story of how Obama told Trump, "You will be a war President."

    The anti-war journalist Justin Raimondo (who sadly died this past summer) and who had co-founded antiwar.com, recounts a conversation where General Mattis insisted to Trump,

    Quote “‘Unfortunately, sir, you have no choice,’ Mattis told Trump, according to officials. ‘You will be a wartime president.’”
    Both of them stated this as fact, and as if Trump had no choice.

    The status quo elite, (DC Swamp) and the internationalist cabal, want war. It’s figures into their long term plans.

    These factions use their media proxies like a carrot and stick to manuever presidents into their bidding. (In addition to other tools in their manipulation toolkit.)

    We see this in action everyday. The most stark example of this is when Trump dropped the MOAB on Syria, while Xi Jinping and his delegation was here in the US at Mar-a-Lago.
    • Day before this action, over 90% negative media coverage on Trump.
    • After the bomb dropped over 95% positive coverage of Trump.
    • If you remember, everyone was calling him, “Presidential”.
    When he stated he still wanted to pull troops from Syria, BAM, 180 degree turn by the elite media proxies. And they haven’t let up since.

    If Trump wanted to be a "war president" he would have been one by now.

    The pressure to be one has been enormous.

    He does a very fine delicate dance to prevent himself from being manuevered into becoming a war president.

    This is one reason why I wanted to clarify for myself if he had been pushed into this action, or if it had been planned. Many special ops people and lower rank (and/or ex) intel still think he has been pushed, or tricked into action. I respectfully disagree with that assessment. But, I could be wrong.

    Trump is not afraid of war, but I think he doesn’t want war.

    I think he wants peace.

    Peace and prosperity.
    Last edited by edina; 5th January 2020 at 21:56.

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