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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quiet, quiet, secret, at some point and always the target that was previously agreed with the USA. A target that may be unknown to us. But it poses a real threat to the Usa and Israel. They are small pinpricks that are carried out by Israel. But even the smallest pinpricks are painful.

    I also think Iran will not be able to take legal revenge. Fighter jets that don't have any IDs ... that will be difficult and I don't think it's surprising. The United States doesn't respond, why should they? Israel can do whatever it wants since no one could hold Israel accountable. So leave it at once, it wouldn't work. So the Israelis can do anything they like.

    But what would happen if someone or a country was able to prove that Israel was behind an X attack? Then what would be? Would the countries that are anti-Israel join Iran? It seems that the Saudis as well as the UAE are slowly approaching Israel, but that is still not under wraps, or what do you think?
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    Tucker Carlson Literally Saved The World TWICE Now, Convincing Trump NO WAR:
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    For the record, the peace loving President of the United States Rejected the demand of the Iraqi people that we stop occupying their country.

    For the record, The peace loving trump had to be talked into peace by Tucker ****ing Carlson.

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    For the record, the peace loving President of the United States Rejected the demand of the Iraqi people that we stop occupying their country.

    For the record, The peace loving trump had to be talked into peace by Tucker ****ing Carlson.
    It's all part of the plan.


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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    wow gracy may
    that was mean

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    wow gracy may
    that was mean

    I believe that holding people in Guantanamo Bay without trial is mean.

    Separating families and holding them in cages at the border for seeking a better life is mean.

    Occupying two countries for almost 20 and 18 years respectively is mean.

    Wasting billions of dollars on war is mean.

    Signing an executive order limiting free speech ( saying anti BDS things are bad).

    Taking away food stamps from people is mean.

    Supporting all these aforementioned policies is mean

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    Trump reveals new details on imminent threat from Soleimani:
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    Quote Posted by Bluegreen (here)
    wow gracy may
    that was mean
    Why was that mean? Sarcastic? Yes, guilty as charged.

    Mean? Sorry Bluegreen I'm not seeing it considering all the master 5D chess player rhetoric for this pres that my post is based on. To me its no different than razzing the old meme that Barry O was a behind the scenes secret lightworker, just biding his time until it would be safe to expose his true self to the world.

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    Iranian protesters take to streets after Tehran admits Ukrainian plane was shot down unintentionally in fear of US aggression

    read here [link corrected, thank you, Gracy May]
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    There was chatter last June that China was sharing technology with Iran that was 'beyond American capabilities'.

    A series of articles recently have elaborated on what some of those technologies might be.

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    New Facts Change Everything, the Sickening Truth About Why Iran “Schooled” America by Gordon Duff

    ...

    ...It is also clear that Trump’s hubris in his wild threats against Iraq and his willingness to murder the foremost military leader in the war on terror is based on what American author and former CIA officer Robert David Steele calls the “Cult of West Point Class of 1986”and Politico calls the “West Point Mafia.”

    Steele postulates that this single class, a collection of “bad apples” as it were, has pushed Trump toward one failed endeavor after another. From Stratfor:

    “Since graduating from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1986, the careers of Mike Pompeo, Ulrich Brechbuhl, Brian Bulatao, Mark Esper, David Urban and Mark Green have periodically intersected. Now they have converged in the Trump administration.”

    These are the geniuses that told Trump Iran had only old Soviet “scud” type missiles, with liquid fuel, no guidance and poor reliability. Of course, none have actual military experience other than as “place holders” and “seat warmers.”

    Then the surprise came, Iran’s missiles rained down on al Asad Air Base, easily pushing past America’s Patriot missile defense system, “0” hit. Worse still, the highly advanced solid fuel missiles from Iraq hit within not yards but within 10 feet of targets, actually much closer than that.

    Similarly, when missiles plowed into the “consular” facilities, really weapons warehouses, at Erbil International Airport, in the Kurdish region of Northern Iraq, the US denied any hits claiming to have shot down two of three missiles and the other a “wide miss.”

    Then, as is so often the case, American military personnel billeted in the apartment buildings just south of the facility uploaded their video to YouTube.

    Three missiles, thee direct hits, dramatic explosions, which the Americans seemed to enjoy immensely.

    We now enter a new world, not just one with America “schooled” but with America’s actual role exposed, occupier, terrorist and thief.
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    Pepe Escobar has a source close to the Qatari royal family who gives a little detail on how the Patriot missile defense system can easily be bypassed.

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    Pepe Escobar Reports on Trump’s Intention to De-escalate Iran Conflict

    Jan. 8, 2020 (EIRNS)—Brazilian journalist Pepe Escobar, Asia Times’ geopolitical analyst, reports today in Consortium News on a response sent from a “top U.S. intel source” to whom Escobar had posed “a detailed question.” The source, he said, was close to the Qatari royal family, and responded that President Donald Trump sent a message to Tehran via the emir of Qatar that there would be de-escalation if Tehran came up with a “proportional response.” Escobar notes that Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif’s tweet following the missile attack this morning stated: “Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter.”

    Escobar’s source otherwise said: “It is most unlikely Trump will escalate at this point, and this could provide him with the opportunity to leave the Middle East except for the Gulf States. Trump wants to get out. The fact that Israel would be hit next by Iran ... will probably cause them to pull back, and not order Trump to bomb Iran itself.

    “DEBKA-Mossad acknowledged that Iran’s offensive missiles cannot be defended against. Its secret is that it hugs the ground going underneath the radar screens. ... What is amazing is that Iraq has allowed U.S. troops into their country at all after seeing over a million of their people murdered by the U.S. if we include the 500,000 dead children....”

    The source also questioned why the Patriot missile defense systems on the U.S. bases were not used.

    Escobar added:

    “Judd Deere, the deputy press secretary of the White House, confirmed on Tuesday night what I had learned earlier from another source. The White House said Trump, in a phone call, thanked Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani for ‘Qatar’s partnership with the United States,’ and they discussed Iraq and Iran....

    “Details are still sparse, but there’s ultra-high level, back-room diplomacy going on, especially between Iran and Russia, with China discreet, but on full alert.”
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    Robert David Steele mentions some of the other capabilities the Iranians might possess, which most likely would've been provided by the Russians.

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    Robert Steele: Iran (Played by LtGen Paul Van Riper, USMC) Beat the **** Out of the USA in 2002 — Today They Are, If Anything, Vastly More Capable

    hen there is the whole matter of electromagnetic and satellite vulnerabily, as well as rear area headquarters (I can cripple MacDill AFB in one night, it will take them weeks if not months to recover — the forward area HQS in the Middle East are even more vulnerable).

    This is not a game. Electromagnetically the USA has been a loser since the 1980’s and that is not going to change anytime soon. Apart from military-related capabilities (satellites, exposed weapons and mobility electronics) it would be a simple matter for Iran to take down the USA’s “Just in Time” logistics system as well as financial, communications, and power systems. I and others have been sounding this alarm since 1990.

    Then of course you have those pesky bio-hazards which we are NOT ready for. These will be more about panic rather than death, but in extremis Iran is perfectly capable of wiping out both people and animals with a pandemic.

    Col Dr. Doug Macgregor has written the definitive book on how wars are won or lost decades before they are fought:

    Review: Margin of Victory – Five Battles that Changed the Face of Modern War

    And now, with a tip of the hat to Veterans Today, here is the kicker: a man I worked for, LtGen Paul Van Riper, playing Iran, destroyed — DESTROYED — the entire US military in a wargame in 2002 that was “rigged” before and after the fact to pretend the US military was “invincible”, but there is no denying the facts. Iran as played by LtGen Van Riper kicked our ass. Today, between supersonic missiles and electronmagnetic neutralization of US weapons systems (including premature self-destruction of US nuclear missiles), this is not a war we can win.

    Southfront: US Wargame shows Iran winning, beating all US forces with relative ease

    I believe that President Donald Trump has been lied to at every level (strategic, operational, tactical, and technical. I believe that the Secretaries of State and Defense, and the Director of the CIA, work for Israel and the Deep State and are in betrayal of the President and the public trust. I believe the President has no alternative but to fire all three of these individuals and negotiate a phased withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, respecting their sovereignty.
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    The 7 minute Southfront war simulation video from the linked article above:


    Quote US exercise kills 20,000 Americans, 19 ships during first 15 minutes

    The United States and Iran are balancing on the edge of a fully-fledged open military conflict, with many claiming that President Donald Trump had to respond militarily to the Iranian retaliatory missile strike on US military bases in Iraq. However, they have forgotten that in 2002 the Pentagon already ran a colossal wargame designed to simulate a war with Iran – and the US lost heavily.

    Millennium Challenge 2002 was a $235 million USD military exercise that involved elements of all the U.S. armed forces, with over 13,500 personnel engaging in the most realistic wargames held up until that time. Almost immediately following the invasion of Afghanistan and ahead of the 2003 launch of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the exercise was clearly meant to test the Pentagon’s new vision of waging war against a Middle Eastern enemy. The enemy that the OPFOR (opposition force) was modeled after was in fact the nation of Iran.
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    I think we all know how easy it was for the US to erase Soleymani. Everyone involved, all intelligence agencies knew exactly when the general would arrive, where he would arrive and when they would have to strike. Bong ..! Out and over, he's gone.

    Iran is surrounded by US military facilities on all of its borders. If the United States wanted to cut off the snake's head, and I mean the head, that would be an easy operation. Or don't you think? Technologically, they are far superior, that's a fact. So the US would have to send one or two stealth bombers flying from Iraq to Tehran. The right time would be on Friday prayer, when the head of the snake appears publicly. A rocket would be enough, ok let's take two to make sure it really works.

    The bombers would be on their way back before Tehran could react in the slightest. Sovereignty back and forth, national borders ... **** it. An act of, say, an hour, if any. So why don't they do it? What is so difficult or better asked, what is stopping you? A war ? The limits ? It's all just kid's **** or don't you think?

    The US was not afraid to kill Soleymani in Iraq. Why should they shy away from cutting off the head of the head? Even if they react, Tehran cannot do anything, but absolutely nothing. Iran is surrounded on all sides.

    Let's play it all through. If the United States attacks Tehran directly and Tehran wants to react to it ... But Tehran cannot react to it. It is not possible, all countries around Iran are occupied by the United States with military facilities. Who should Iran attack first and, above all, who would not be informed of an attack? It would rain bombs and rockets like a storm. But the big question is, why or what is preventing the US from doing so? An agreement with Tehran that we don't know about?

    They show no qualms about the attack on Afghanistan and Iraq. But why now? Why this constant cat and mouse game? I mean 40 years since Islam ruined Iran. What about the people who constantly have to live under fear, death and captivity?

    the only thing that occurs to me why Trump is hesitating is the elections. He needs a powerful argument to be re-elected. Trump would have enough time to stir up fear among the people of the United States. How Bush did it.
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    wow gracy may
    that was mean

    I believe that holding people in Guantanamo Bay without trial is mean.

    Separating families and holding them in cages at the border for seeking a better life is mean.

    Occupying two countries for almost 20 and 18 years respectively is mean.

    Wasting billions of dollars on war is mean.

    Signing an executive order limiting free speech ( saying anti BDS things are bad).

    Taking away food stamps from people is mean.

    Supporting all these aforementioned policies is mean
    Are you then criticizing ALL U.S. presidents including Obama, Bush, etc? Or is just Trump?

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Iayakum I believe the U.S. does not have access to air space in Iran the way they do in Iraq. However, your point is still very valid. If they wanted to get rid of the problem, they could.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quote Posted by Iyakum (here)
    the only thing that occurs to me why Trump is hesitating [attacking Iran] is the elections. He needs a powerful argument to be re-elected. Trump would have enough time to stir up fear among the people of the United States. How Bush did it.
    I don't believe that Trump needs a powerful argument to be reelected.

    Trump has been crystal clear before he was elected that he does not believe that the United States should not be in the middle east and that his goal is to end the wars not expand them. It would be a far more powerful reelection tool for Trump to get the USA out of the wars that Bush started and Obama expanded.

    It is not very hard to understand Trump on all issues. I don't necessarily agree with all his policies but I find his straightforwardness and honesty refreshing. The problem is that most people don't actually listen to Trump they listen to the mainstream media interpreting his words. Hence the constant claims of fake, false and misleading press coverage.

    I am not defending or condemning Trump, just giving you the view from my perspective.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Attacking Iran directly is not possible. They are under the protection of Russia. Attacking Iran directly is the same as declaring war on Russia.

    I think few know the history of Islam, I know I don't, and the fact that Islam is divided in two between the Shiites and the Sunnis. The greatest distortion of Islam is the form upheld by Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism. Saudi - The House of Saud is a great family of long lineage that captured an entire massive country long ago. Sunnis are the majority, with Iran being almost completely Sunni. These two branches of Islam have been warring since their inception.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Iran is certainly NOT completely Sunni. The individuals running the government are Shia. But please understand the general population is mostly secular if not borderline atheist. They are so desperate for FREEDOM from this insanity they are willing to allow Zionism to win. I understand it is a very confusing time right now with so much information coming all at once. But that was always the plan. This guy Adam Green seems to be breaking it down very well. Take a listen. And by the way, Ahmadinejad DID NOT say that Israel should be wiped off the map. The proper translation would have been "Zionism needs to be erased from the pages of history" - I am not defending the man nor his actions but his words have been forever twisted and repeated over and over again very unfairly.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    It was pointed out to me, and I verified it with good old google and wiki, Iran is primarily a Sunni state. Sorry about the confusion.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Iran is Shia

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Iran is Shia
    I had always remembered that Iran is supposed to be almost completely Shi'a. This had a great deal to do with the Iran / Iraq war (Iraq under Hussien means the Sunni were in charge despite Sunni being a minority in Iraq)

    Not that I trust Wikipedia but on something like this, it could probably be trusted - Islam in Iran

    Quote Iran's population is about 82,000,000 people,[2] and Islam is the religion of 99.4% of Iranians. [3] Nearly 90% of Iranian Muslims are Shi'a and about 10% are Sunni. Most Sunnis in Iran are Kurds, Achomis, Turkmens, and Baluchs, living in the northwest, northeast, south, and southeast.[1] Almost all of Iranian Shi'as are Twelvers.
    The CIA Factbook has an even greater percentage as Shi'a (90 - 95%)

    Quote Religions:
    Muslim (official) 99.4% (Shia 90-95%, Sunni 5-10%), other (includes Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian) 0.3%, unspecified 0.4% (2011 est.)
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    I don't believe that Iran could successfully take on the USA. The b2 bomber, the f22 + f35 fighters would make short order of Iran's defenses and offensive capabilities.

    The real prospect that deters the USA from attacking is the collateral damage of such an action. Iran could probably inflict enough harm to its neighbours that the human and asset losses would be large. So, the sane position is restraint unless absolutely necessary.

    This same truth applies to North Korea, China and Russia. The USA could take them all, but at what cost?

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