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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    I've been waiting for Pompeo's response. Many people here have probably already watched this, sharing to bring it into the conversation.

    Pompeo joins 'Fox & Friends' after US airstrike kills top Iranian general


    Pompeo is active, talking to other world leaders on this issue, sharing this on his Twitter feed.

    He repeatedly speaks to a "commitment to de-escalation".
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    Quote Posted by bearcow (here)
    The media is certainly making a big deal about the killing of a general, who was snooping around in a country other than his own, likely directing the insurgency against the US embassy. Why?

    Is this the chance the deep state was waiting for? To get an "A sum of all fears" scenario. It seems like they are setting it up that way.

    Allow, or aid an Iranian national to detonate a dirty nuke in an American city, then say to the world, if Trump hadn't been so reckless, none of this would have happened. Bank on Trump to come down hard on Iran, and say he is about to start world war 3, then push for impeachment under article 25 of the constitution, saying he is mentally unstable.

    lets hope not, but i wouldnt put it past them.
    That's the problem with this type of scenario. It is very easy to get backed into the corner with no "wining" move. 9 times out of 10 the losers of the non-winnable game are the lives of innocent people. I hope your scenario never plays out, but the scariest thing is, it is among the most plausible outcomes.
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quote Posted by edina (here)

    On a more serious note, I'm not ready to make up my mind in one direction or another, on this situation.

    I'm still in observer mode and gathering information.
    Although I'm hardly surprised by your take, I feel compelled to echo your words here. Very wise, Edina...

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    Trump's first public comments on US killing Iran's Soleimani
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    effectively they managed to paint a bullseye on every US official worldwide !

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    So here's my simple question: Has there actually been any evidence presented to back up this latest round of accusations as an excuse for this action, or is this just more of the same old "Iran bad guy, U.S. good guy here to save the day" type of rhetoric that serves as news and foreign policy these days?

    Surely we're not just going to take these people at their word.... Again?




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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    I found this comment on another internet site and thought this may give another window to look thru.............................................. . I'm not in favor of any war, but the statement "when good men do nothing, evil prevails " has always applied throughout history. Now everyone knows exactly where President Trump stands , agree with him or not.

    Iran Vows Revenge Amid Fears of 'Devastating War': Supreme Leader Promises 'Jihad' Against US for Killing Of Top General As Hezbollah Vows 'Worldwide Resistance' and ALL Americans Are Told Get Out of Iraq NOW – NOTE: Why does Iran think it's OK for them to kill our soldiers, our people and our allies in Iraq, but get their panties in a bunch when we return the favor? Soleimani, a formally declared terrorist by the U.S. govt. in 2005, was responsible for killing 17% of our soldiers in Iraq, (over 600 people), with Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFPs). Thousands more not killed lost limbs and eyes to these devices.

    Brett Velicovich is an American drone expert, former U.S. Army intelligence and special operations soldier who once tracked Soleimani. He revealed that Obama had numerous clear-cut opportunities to capture or kill Soleimani and chose not to. Astonishingly, rather than excise a cancer, he gave Iran $1.5 billion in cash, which allowed them further development of nuclear weapons. Instead of appeasement and turning a blind eye that Obama opted for, Trump took action.

    Iran started this latest round of hostilities when they killed an American contractor and wounded 4 others Dec. 27.

    As to yesterday's action that took out Soleimani, govt. agencies have intel that Soleimani's imminent plans were to kill more Americans, specifically U.S. diplomats. Civilians. What a pig.

    Iran may gripe and threaten in the wake of Soleimani's demise, but the only thing Middle Easterners understand and respect is strength – something Obama never had the will or courage to deliver. Velicovich stated that Iran may look at Soleimani's killing as an act of war, but they had already committed that act when they attacked the U.S. embassy, which is U.S. soil.

    What fallout comes next is impossible to predict so Democrats ought to sit down and shut up. They are sycophants, yappers-with-agendas and pencil-pushers, not military strategists. Most are worth about a wart on a toad, a parasitic lump of do-nothings. The President has the authority to conduct actions against acknowledged terrorists without Congressional participation. So they can stop the partisan rhetoric.

    Obama 'drew a red line' and when Iran crossed it, Obama went all squishy and spineless. Trump is a man of his word. Now our enemies and our allies – know without question – to take Trump's threats and promises seriously.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    An excellent analysis:


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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quote Posted by Frankie Pancakes (here)
    THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF ALL: The moment Trump approved the killing of this Iranian General, he got the approval from the shadow state to FINALLY purge Obama holdovers from his white house. That was not coincidence, Trump had this general killed as part of a deal to finally be allowed to do what all other presidents have been allowed to do on day one of their presidency. That proves he's still not in charge of even the basics.
    Sources please.

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    Celebrities "FREAK OUT" Over Iran, Rose McGowan BEGS Iran For Forgiveness In INSANE Virtue Signal:
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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Only the most ignorant and unsophisticated will try to kill an idea by killing a man.

    history shows that the opposite occurs

    Turning a dogged soldier into a heroic martyr will lionize his ideas , whatever their merit.

    On what planet would such an escalation be considered a way to SAVE life?
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Pompeo is active, talking to other world leaders on this issue, sharing this on his Twitter feed.

    He repeatedly speaks to a "commitment to de-escalation".
    Did he speak about "commitment to de-escalation"??
    It sounds like Orwellian doublespeak:

    Quote New Wave Of Airstrikes Hits Iraqi Capital, Kills Several PMU Personnel (Photos)

    Several airstrikes targeted early on January 4 three vehicles of the Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) near al-Taji camp north of the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.

    A source in the Iraqi military told the Reuters News Agency that two of the three vehicles were found burned. Six burned corpses were also found in the airstrikes’ site.

    Initial reports claimed that the airstrikes killed senior commanders of the PMU, including Shibil al-Zaydi, Hamid al-Jazrawi and Ra’d al-Kwrawi.

    These claims were denied by the PMU, which revealed in an official statement that the airstrikes targeted one of its medical units. The Iraqi Shi’ite coalition didn’t provide any additional details.

    According to several Iraqi sources, the airstrikes were carried out by U.S. warplanes. This is yet to be confirmed.
    https://southfront.org/new-wave-of-a...sonnel-photos/

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    I don't want to jinx it... but if the Iraq Parliament votes (noting that they are planning to do so tomorrow, Sunday) that US forces need to leave Iraq, and Trump seizes the opportunity and gets the US out, this may turn out a big win for those who wish for the US footprint in the middle east to be reduced.
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    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Pompeo is active, talking to other world leaders on this issue, sharing this on his Twitter feed.

    He repeatedly speaks to a "commitment to de-escalation".
    Did he speak about "commitment to de-escalation"??
    It sounds like Orwellian doublespeak:
    Indeed it does, 2+2=5 right? While I'm waiting for any evidence to come forth backing the usual U.S. claims and excuses for open aggression, how does openly assassinating a leading military official = "de-escalation"?

    Really, omg like this?

    Quote We took action last night to stop a war
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ar-iran-093149

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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    I don't want to jinx it... but if the Iraq Parliament votes (noting that they are planning to do so tomorrow) that US forces need to leave Iraq, and Trump seizes the opportunity and gets the US out, this may turn out a big win for those who wish for the US footprint in the middle east to be reduced.
    This is the most spicy take I have seen so far in this thread.


    Trump 14d chessed the Iraqi people into voting for the US to leave, which means that up until this point they very badly wanted us to be in their country, by attacking an Iranian Government Official, Who was in Iraq as an adviser in an official capacity, because he as Commander in Chief he has absolutely zero authority to withdraw without the consent of the Iraqi people.

    Trump is so pro peace that he uses drone strikes on a countries to trick their people into convincing us to stop occupying them.

    I knew the takes in here would be spicy once the Q anon right showed up, but this is truly a special piece of thinking.
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    So here's my simple question: Has there actually been any evidence presented to back up this latest round of accusations as an excuse for this action, or is this just more of the same old "Iran bad guy, U.S. good guy here to save the day" type of rhetoric that serves as news and foreign policy these days?

    Surely we're not just going to take these people at their word.... Again?



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    Trump seems to be in full support of the Israeli agenda, and Israel has been looking for any way to initiate a war with Iran. Of course, it will be done courtesy of the US taxpayer if it happens. I hope I am wrong here.

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    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)
    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    I don't want to jinx it... but if the Iraq Parliament votes (noting that they are planning to do so tomorrow) that US forces need to leave Iraq, and Trump seizes the opportunity and gets the US out, this may turn out a big win for those who wish for the US footprint in the middle east to be reduced.
    This is the most spicy take I have seen so far in this thread.


    Trump 14d chessed the Iraqi people into voting for the US to leave, which means that up until this point they very badly wanted us to be in their country, by attacking an Iranian Government Official, Who was in Iraq as an adviser in an official capacity, because he as Commander in Chief he has absolutely zero authority to withdraw without the consent of the Iraqi people.

    Trump is so pro peace that he uses drone strikes on a countries to trick their people into convincing us to stop occupying them.

    I knew the takes in here would be spicy once the Q anon right showed up, but this is truly a special piece of thinking.
    I think you may not pay much attention to what Sammy has written in the past. He is not into Q Anon, so this assumption on your part is inaccurate.

    I think he is talking about a potential effect or outcome. (Not Trump playing whatever chess... lol )

    It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

    This is an opportunity for Iraq to take a stronger role in their own country.

    Personally, I would like to see that.

    And I think many people would like to see Iraq ask the US to leave.

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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Pompeo is active, talking to other world leaders on this issue, sharing this on his Twitter feed.

    He repeatedly speaks to a "commitment to de-escalation".
    Did he speak about "commitment to de-escalation"??
    It sounds like Orwellian doublespeak:

    Quote New Wave Of Airstrikes Hits Iraqi Capital, Kills Several PMU Personnel (Photos)

    Several airstrikes targeted early on January 4 three vehicles of the Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) near al-Taji camp north of the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.

    A source in the Iraqi military told the Reuters News Agency that two of the three vehicles were found burned. Six burned corpses were also found in the airstrikes’ site.

    Initial reports claimed that the airstrikes killed senior commanders of the PMU, including Shibil al-Zaydi, Hamid al-Jazrawi and Ra’d al-Kwrawi.

    These claims were denied by the PMU, which revealed in an official statement that the airstrikes targeted one of its medical units. The Iraqi Shi’ite coalition didn’t provide any additional details.

    According to several Iraqi sources, the airstrikes were carried out by U.S. warplanes. This is yet to be confirmed.
    https://southfront.org/new-wave-of-a...sonnel-photos/
    Yes, I'm watching this development, as well.

    I've also heard that Marines have arrested some of the people involved in the Embassy attack.

    I haven't been able to confirm that to my satisfaction. But, if so, they probably cleared that with the Iraqi government.

    There's a lot of noise happening around this situation. And a lot of efforts to agitate emotions in every direction.

    I'm keen to dig a bit deeper and draw out a wide range of potential understandings of the situation, rather than to jump to one conclusion, or another.

    As far as the fact that I made note that Pompeo was making a point of contacting world leaders and also tweeting about this, again with the continued emphasis on de-escalation.

    It could be double-speak, I can see how people would interpret it that way.
    Others are interpreting it as leadership.

    I took it a bit differently,

    At this point I've listened to Pompeo's remarks several times.

    He speaks to de-escalation in the context of four D's
    • Disrupt
    • Defend
    • Deter
    • and create the conditions for De-escalation
    .
    There is an equal emphasis on all four D's and he talks about de-escalation in terms of creating the conditions for de-escalation.

    This sounds like a strategy to me.

    I stumbled across an article that clarifies the meaning of this in terms of international political strategy.

    Quote The political scientist Robert Jervis once distinguished between the “spiral model” and the “deterrence model” of conflict. In the spiral model, hitting an opponent simply causes him to hit you back; escalation begets escalation. In the deterrence model, hitting an opponent hard enough leads him to back down; escalation, or simply a show of strength, can beget de-escalation.
    Trump’s Deadly Message to Iran’s Terrorist Regime by Eli Lake (Bloomberg)

    Admittedly, it's a gamble. A risk.

    I imagine that when Pompeo is talking to world leaders, he is understood in the light of this Deterrence model of de-escalation.

    Early on, I wanted to clarify for myself if the rocket attack at the airport was an independent rogue action and Trump was left holding the bag to figure out how to navigate through this, or if Trump had truly planned this action. Senator Lindsey Graham's comments that Trump had discussed the issue with him earlier, let me know that this was not a rogue action.

    A rogue action would mean one thing, a planned action would mean something else.

    It's also why I wanted to pay close attention to Pompeo's remarks.

    I'll be interested, too, to see what Mandy Bombard says about Pompeo's body language, if she choses to do an analysis on that.

    The whole Bloomberg article is useful to read, at least it has been for me.

    I'm also reading another article that is linked out of the Bloomberg article.


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    Default Re: The United States kills Quds Commander Qasem Soleimani

    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Early on, I wanted to clarify for myself if the rocket attack at the airport was an independent rogue action and Trump was left holding the bag to figure out how to navigate through this, or if Trump had truly planned this action. Senator Lindsey Graham's comments that Trump had discussed the issue with him earlier, let me know that this was not a rogue action.

    A rogue action would mean one thing, a planned action would mean something else.
    Other sources agree with your view: it was a planned action, not just a "target of opportunity" (second tweet below from Elijah J. Magnier)

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