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    Yes, I agree with you Mshika.

    What I am more concerned about is that Erdogan is now receiving support from the EU. Again, billions of euros are to flow into Turkey. Johnson, Macron and Merkel have already partially agreed to the plan. It is not a good thing and it is also not acceptable. Neither for the EU nor for the world, so Erdogan would put the money from the EU into his senseless war.
    And that ... would cost the lives of more innocent people and especially children. The most precious good we have is our naked life.

    Trump already knows why he ordered a partial withdrawal from Syria. The EU and thus the euro will weaken if the EU powers, France, Great Britain and Germany stuff their billions of Erdogan's throats. The doller is currently more stable than before. But the euro is weakening, so Erdogan will continue to pursue its illegal genocide in Syria. As Mashika mentioned, more innocent people will die because the West is pulling back its forces. Then Russia follows, at the end Erdogan is alone. Exactly what the USA wanted to achieve.

    The way is paved for war. Internal unrest in Iran, mass deaths, mass graves are being excavated. As the Washinton Post previously reported in the video of the Stat Qom, where mass graves are being excavated. The unrest in the country is now starting to be the optimal time for the USA to finally abolish the mullah regime. I am not pro-war, only the fanatical Islamists of mullahs have been ruling in Iran for 40 years. It should finally be over, that's enough.
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    ...the world is controlled and managed by cowards that could not outrun a normal angry person one street block but think they are mentally able to handle considering the death of hundred of thousands people as if they were chess pieces on an afternoon throw away game
    I tend to think that most people in charge of everything, even ordinary businesses, could not manage their way out of an open paper bag.

    The CIA is also quite capable of failing.

    Iraq has taken Al Qaim base at the Syrian border back from the U. S. and pulled off their own damaging attack against ISIS or Daesh. Syria is one of the remaining places where the virus doesn't seem to be doing anything. It will definitely slow things down as militaries do not want to catch it. The Syrian Army appears to be moving towards Jisr al Shugor, which has been one of the costliest and most major losses of the whole conflict. It is also the main residence of a militia from Turkestan.

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    ...the world is controlled and managed by cowards that could not outrun a normal angry person one street block but think they are mentally able to handle considering the death of hundred of thousands people as if they were chess pieces on an afternoon throw away game
    I tend to think that most people in charge of everything, even ordinary businesses, could not manage their way out of an open paper bag.

    The CIA is also quite capable of failing.

    Iraq has taken Al Qaim base at the Syrian border back from the U. S. and pulled off their own damaging attack against ISIS or Daesh. Syria is one of the remaining places where the virus doesn't seem to be doing anything. It will definitely slow things down as militaries do not want to catch it. The Syrian Army appears to be moving towards Jisr al Shugor, which has been one of the costliest and most major losses of the whole conflict. It is also the main residence of a militia from Turkestan.
    There was failure on Syria and effort to control and convert the country got successfully taken away, except for the oil as Trump said he had control over it. Next big thing will be either Venezuela or some countries in Africa. Since Bolivia is already under control and Mexico has handled the discovery of their giant lithium deposits outside of anyones view, we can only assume the next thing not under control are Venezuela and whatever countries in Africa have the required resources to sustain the future of the modern world. We are going to see plenty of death in "****w*ole" countries in the next few years, and ISIS will be there and people will be used as shields and tools and for sad/cringe pictures of what happens when fake demo-crazy is not in control.

    North Korea also has lots of unknown/untapped resources, but since they have some nuclear capabilities now they can't be easily touched as other countries, so they are half way out of the picture, for now.

    I was talking to my sister a few days ago, it's easy to see she has a different view of the entire world and how people act, she's 16 and she seems to be completely outside of reach of the mind controlling stupidity previous generations have

    The game is not so invisible anymore, it's easy to see how it plays and who are the players/who are the pieces that get moved around

    ETA: We are going to see some stuff going on around Kazakhstan in the next following years xe xe, there's some stuff there that has been ignored for a very long while and it will become important at some point, but this is after the existing resources are exhausted first
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    Thx Mashika for your contribution.
    As for North Korea, it's just a matter of crying out for help to the world. We die if you don't help us and you die if we don't get help. Because the nuclear threat is a fact, Pyongyang can deliver nuclear warheads to Iran at any time without the world noticing.

    But as far as Kazakhstan is concerned, we must not forget that this country, which is so inconspicuous, has caused a lot of turmoil worldwide. I remember 9.11 ... The deal Trump had with the Afghan Taliban broke due to the influence of Iran and their Islamists. Thus, the CIA is pulling the plans for the strategy of the USA and the Bush junior government from the dusty filing cabinets.

    If the Taliban defy Trump and thus the United States and the path that was opened after 9.11 is blocked again, what is left for the CIA apart from the raw opium that the United States largely collects. Without raw opium, some areas of the pharmaceutical industry worldwide would stand still or switch back to chemicals. So Afghanistan has nothing more that would be worthwhile for Trump. So there will probably be one of the first troubled countries in the Middle East. No matter what happens, the oil price drops, nobody really wants to invest anymore, so oil is offered so cheap that the US and the rich countries will grab it. Because that is exactly the intention, they were just waiting for this Covid-19-20-21 ... etc. etc. breaks out and thus also paralyzes the financial world. That's exactly what they did, that's what they call ala "ala Harry Potter".
    "Magic"

    Whatever the material of Kazakhstan in its natural resources, it must be enormous that there is also a risk of war.
    Kazakhstan is the world's first source of the following raw materials: chromium, vanadium, bismuth, fluorine. [8] Kazakhstan has one of the leading positions in the occurrence of uranium, iron, oil, natural gas, copper, coal, cobalt, tungsten, lead, zinc and molybdenum. Opals were also found in the uranium prospect.
    So what will the US do now? why the partial withdrawal from Syria? Everything gathers in Iraq, only for what? Is the next enemy Iran as the strongest power in this region in the Middle East? Except for the US and its allies, UK, Israel, Belgium, France, etc.

    I currently see the situation this way. It is increasing in tension and not a little, but the CIA is still lacking a good reason to attack Iran. That would be easy, very easy for the United States, if the United States wants it it will even take Iran in a short time.
    Iran is completely encircled by the US there is no way out. So if all countries attacked with the United States, Iran would be absolutely unable to defend itself.

    The Covid is playing into the hands of the United States and there are already enough deaths in Iran. The situation is very serious and above all unstable, more and more people will try to leave the country and join the refugees on the border with the EU.
    OK. I repeat it again so everyone can read. I am against any kind of war, brutality and murder.
    Nevertheless, I see no other option than to resort to this hideous solution. The US and its allies must attack Iran and remove the mullah regime. It is over, these "murderers, dictators, child molesters and pedophiles must finally be deposed". When Khomeini returned to Iran from his exile in Paris, he was given a little girl as a pastime for the old man. Her name was Batul and she was nine years old.

    No matter what Trump is up to, one thing is more important than anything else and that would be ... The United States must annihilate the regime in Iran. The money, all the billions of dollars that Khamenei has on his Swiss or Cayman, as well as the accounts of other leaders, must be frozen by the UN. That is a huge sum that exceeds my arithmetic skills. Then make sure that none of the mullahs can leave the country under no circumstances. The mullahs must be pulled out at the roots and there must not be a single root left. Then transport all mullahs directly to The Hague and put them all on trial. Only when that is over must a government be established that neither uses Islam as a government forum nor as a monarchy. Waliat, who lives in the USA and lies in the sun every day, has not done anything for 40 years, purely NIX NOTHING! ! !

    Democracy is not possible in Iran. So there has to be something that uses a mixture of democracy and social government. This is the only way to finally create peace in this region. And Israel would be the first to join.
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    Quote But as far as Kazakhstan is concerned, we must not forget that this country, which is so inconspicuous, has caused a lot of turmoil worldwide. I remember 9.11 ... The deal Trump had with the Afghan Taliban broke due to the influence of Iran and their Islamists. Thus, the CIA is pulling the plans for the strategy of the USA and the Bush junior government from the dusty filing cabinets.
    I'm confused about this, what did Kazakhstan had to do with 9/11? Or with causing turmoil worldwide? Wouldn't that be Afghanistan? Kazakhstan is not on the middle east and has no real/important relationships with Iraq, Iran and other countries in the middle east. Kazakhstan is next to Russia and China and it's mostly non existent in the power map of current world. This country used to be part of the Soviet Union so i don't get what you mean by the 9/11 issue and Iraq, as far as i know they had nothing to do with it?
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    Mashika, that's a good question.

    I will try to answer them for you. If you look at the map, Kazakhstan is in the former Soviet Union, that's right. But closer look is closer to Afghanistan. Before November 9, Bush senior had reached an agreement with the government in Kazakhstan that the United States would buy the natural resources and run the pipeline through Tajikistan to Afghanistan and then Pakistan to the warm water and thus the Indian Ocean. But the Taliban ruling at that time were against it.

    Because all other ways that would be possible would border on Iran or further into Russia. The Taliban were then instructed by the CIA. Bin Laden was the United States' secret CIA agent. Bush senior negotiated with the Osama family who did not want to interfere. So Osama was addressed directly to change the Taliban's mind so that the oil and mineral resources could make their way through Afghanistan. The Taliban refused to cooperate, so Osama was made the scapegoat. The reason for a war against Afghanistan was missing. Thus 9.11 came into the game.

    That gave Bush junior reason to attack Afghanistan without mercy. Osama became the scapegoat, fake videos and recordings were enough to just think of one thing in the United States. Revenge, revenge on Osama Bin Laden and thus the attack on Afghanistan, which then took place. Whoever remembers this, called Bush the axis of evil at the same time. Iraq, Iran, North Korea and thus he not only managed to distract from the real goal of the CIA and Bush. No, the other allies of the United States were also drawn into this war.

    Bush achieved what he wanted. Bin Laden was taken as a scapegoat for November 9th, Afghanistan, the oil flowed from Khazakhstan towards the Indian Ocean, Saddam Husseyn was abolished and the oil flowed towards the USA. All at the expense of the people who lost their lives at 9.11.

    Afghanistan in itself was not involved, they had just driven the Soviets out of their country and were certainly not keen to mess with the US, let alone go to war again. That is why the CIA implemented the plan under Bush on 9.11. Not to mention the fact that the Pentagon was not hit by an airplane, there was no evidence of this and no evidence was found. With such an explosion of several thousand liters of kerosene, the Pentagon would have suffered far more damage than just this small impact compared to an airplane is nothing. Because if such an explosion had taken place, the gas station across from the Pentagon would certainly not have remained intact, and that with several liters of gasoline in the tanks. But the gas station remained intact, even as far as the cameras could record what really happened.

    Yes of course you are right if you think Kazakhstan had nothing to do with it. Neither with 9.11 nor with Afghanistan. But that's the point, Bush wanted the natural resources above all oil and natural gas and much more like uranium from Kazakhstan. Only Osama Bin Laden was a leader of the Taliban and he hid exactly where the CIA wanted him, in the mountains of Afghanistan. But all of this also showed Russia that the United States had finally managed to fragment the former Soviet Union, and the United States had also achieved that.

    But when the Allies were still there during the war against Afghanistan and then the news came the axis of evil. Saddam has been accused of hiding chemical weapons from the eyes of the world, which was not the case. But the world was clever from 9.11 the whole world was in shock what had happened. However, the CIA followed through on its plan, and so the attack on Iraq followed. Now that the world was in a mood for war and calling for revenge, the United States was already ready to attack Saddam Husseyn in the Persian Gulf, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

    Yes Kazakhstan had nothing to do with it. They only had a contract with the United States to sell their natural resources, and the United States was the strongest buyer. Why did ex-Secretary of State Collin Powell resign? He was well informed about 9/11, the war against Afghanistan and then the war against Iraq. Powell could no longer reconcile that with his conscience and resigned. Like other countries, the UK itself did not want to wage war against Iraq, neither did Poland, but it was too late. Bush dragged them all into his dirty CIA plans.

    The last question that remains is what is the CIA planning now before the election? Or will the choice only be a farce? Trump is already certain for the next term? I think that could be possible ...
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    the CIA is still lacking a good reason to attack Iran. That would be easy, very easy for the United States, if the United States wants it it will even take Iran in a short time.
    Iran is completely encircled by the US there is no way out. So if all countries attacked with the United States, Iran would be absolutely unable to defend itself.
    The CIA cannot attack anything.

    The U. S. military almost attacked Iran in the past few days; an F-18 was found in the airspace, warned/threatened, and it left. Trump says he aborted the mission due to a risk of civilian casualties. It was not supposed to be able to be found and warned.

    Yes, if the U. S. and allies came in full force, Iran could be obliterated. But the U. S. cannot go anywhere in such full force, and perhaps never again. If they, or countries, could, they would still be loath to take all the losses that would happen, it would cost them a lot.

    In the current state, if U. S. or countries were to try anything major on Iran, from some bases and aircraft carriers, all of those assets would be dust within a few hours.

    France is leaving Iraq, according to some other stories, due to the virus.

    The Saudi coalition is pummeled by it, which, perhaps, may give them an excuse to give up Yemen.

    It is in American aircraft carriers as well.

    After the calamity of this disease, then, to be sure, several countries in S. America and Africa, also Indonesia, will remain scenes of struggle, although we see Duterte is trying to steer the Philippines off the list of victims.

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    I have not written that the CIA could attest to Iran. All the CIA could do would be to cause unrest and, if necessary, elaborate the plans to have other countries allied with the US join an attack.

    If an F 18 can make a reconnaissance flight over strategic military facilities, what could an F 117 stealth plane do? No matter what but something has to happen. The situation in the Middle East is already escalating, see, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran.
    No matter what, but I wonder what the USA is good for if it is not the only superpower that could do something or not at all? ? ?

    @shaberon you have a link to the report that an F18 flew over Iran, I can not find anything.

    I don't think Iran has any really working bombers or jets except the F14 tomcat and even it lacks all corners. No updates for the Tomcats, no idea if there are any left after the long war against Saddam. What or how many fighter pilots or bombers Iran still has. They are all not really airworthy, you could say that they are glued together with Loctite and somehow stick.

    Ok, I see that an attack on Iran would have very bad consequences that we could not calculate, let alone imagine. Of course there would be the problem that Iran is quite large in area, as far as I know Iran has an area of ​​approximately 1.7 million km² and that is a lot of area. So it will not be so easy to capture Iran. Nevertheless, it is encircled by US bases.

    https://www.der-postillon.com/2019/05/usa-iran.html

    But all in all, wouldn't it be time for something to finally happen? After 40 years of murder, robbery and rape? Trump is afraid to attack Iran. Ok, but if Trump is not re-elected, hasn't Biden said in one of his appearances that he wants the sanctions that Trump has reactivated, possibly to get in touch with the Islamic Republic? So what? You don't really believe that Iran will abide by the IAEA rules and will not produce weapons-grade uranium. Even if Iran doesn't, there are enough other countries that would.

    Because for such things, the mullahs have enough money and financial means. Especially if the sanctions are lifted, the country will recover and very quickly. I mean from a certain sum or amount of money everyone can be bought, even engineers from western countries who are familiar with the construction of bombs and rockets.

    That being said, I don't think Biden or Sanders can win the election against Trump.
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    I have not written that the CIA could attest to Iran. All the CIA could do would be to cause unrest and, if necessary, elaborate the plans to have other countries allied with the US join an attack.

    If an F 18 can make a reconnaissance flight over strategic military facilities, what could an F 117 stealth plane do? No matter what but something has to happen. The situation in the Middle East is already escalating, see, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran.
    No matter what, but I wonder what the USA is good for if it is not the only superpower that could do something or not at all? ? ?

    @shaberon you have a link to the report that an F18 flew over Iran, I can not find anything.

    I don't think Iran has any really working bombers or jets except the F14 tomcat and even it lacks all corners. No updates for the Tomcats, no idea if there are any left after the long war against Saddam. What or how many fighter pilots or bombers Iran still has. They are all not really airworthy, you could say that they are glued together with Loctite and somehow stick.

    Ok, I see that an attack on Iran would have very bad consequences that we could not calculate, let alone imagine. Of course there would be the problem that Iran is quite large in area, as far as I know Iran has an area of ​​approximately 1.7 million km² and that is a lot of area. So it will not be so easy to capture Iran. Nevertheless, it is encircled by US bases.

    https://www.der-postillon.com/2019/05/usa-iran.html

    But all in all, wouldn't it be time for something to finally happen? After 40 years of murder, robbery and rape? Trump is afraid to attack Iran. Ok, but if Trump is not re-elected, hasn't Biden said in one of his appearances that he wants the sanctions that Trump has reactivated, possibly to get in touch with the Islamic Republic? So what? You don't really believe that Iran will abide by the IAEA rules and will not produce weapons-grade uranium. Even if Iran doesn't, there are enough other countries that would.

    Because for such things, the mullahs have enough money and financial means. Especially if the sanctions are lifted, the country will recover and very quickly. I mean from a certain sum or amount of money everyone can be bought, even engineers from western countries who are familiar with the construction of bombs and rockets.

    That being said, I don't think Biden or Sanders can win the election against Trump.
    All of your information about Iran comes from the people who want to destroy Iran - the US and Israelis. Zionism, really. You are fanning the flames of the propaganda. The USA, INC. does NOT give a sh!t about the people of Iran, and there is no justification to go and bomb the sh!t out of Iran, killing millions of innocent civilians in order to "save the citizens."

    You need to disengage your mind from the Zionist propaganda machine that has created your opinion. Zionism is expansionist, imperialist (in case you hadn't noticed Israel's slow genocide of Palestinians and theft of their homeland) and it is Zionist Israel that wants Iran destroyed. The propaganda has made it difficult for you to see who the aggressors are - and always have been. It ain't Iran.


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    @shaberon you have a link to the report that an F18 flew over Iran, I can not find anything.


    But all in all, wouldn't it be time for something to finally happen? After 40 years of murder, robbery and rape?
    Iran's report included a video of the plane being dismissed. It had to be put together from a story from some other site where Trump said he aborted the mission due to civilians; can't remember where that was.

    You are advocating that we remove a standing government? It is an act of war and needs congressional approval. I am going at this as more of a critic of our own regime. I am able to support reducing it without breaking the law. Iran does not need many fighter jets; missiles will do all the work. No one in the "axis of resistance" has much of an air force, but they have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of missiles. That is why aircraft carriers are obsolete, like floating cemeteries. Same for the thirty-five bases.

    It does not matter to me if they have enriched uranium. Again, we know of only one place that has really used nuclear weapons, twice, against civilians. The U. S. cannot project unilateral force like this any more, whether due to the risk, the high cost that has already broken the country, or that there is really no popular support for a war of any kind. We will always have a 15% minority who is happy to run proxies or do small-scale violence via the CIA in an attempt to white-knuckle their wealth, and this is the part that is hard to stop, since it is unelected and unaccountable for its actions, it is a form of dictatorship.

    France only had around 100 in Iraq. There are 5,000 Americans and 2,500 others, who are leaving Nineveh and Mosul, not leaving the country but "consolidating" at four bigger bases with Patriots.

    I do not know what the U. S. is good for as a superpower. Instead, it seems to me that the U. S., Israel, and Saudi Arabia will disintegrate, not really due to me trying to change their regimes, but, their internal and foreign policies are unsustainable, so they will just get worse and worse problems until they fold, which is more or less in progress now. In the long run, it should be purged of corporatism, real estate, and the medical system; or, at least, we had our revolution to prevent these things. And here, even Sharia law has certain advantages, like no such thing as mortgage. Most of the ancient cultures also practiced Jubilee, and, in the opinion of the corporate system, you better not know about this, they have done quite a bit to erase memories about societies getting a grip on "wage slavery".

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    Quote Posted by Iyakum (here)
    @shaberon you have a link to the report that an F18 flew over Iran, I can not find anything.


    But all in all, wouldn't it be time for something to finally happen? After 40 years of murder, robbery and rape?
    Iran's report included a video of the plane being dismissed. It had to be put together from a story from some other site where Trump said he aborted the mission due to civilians; can't remember where that was.

    You are advocating that we remove a standing government? It is an act of war and needs congressional approval. I am going at this as more of a critic of our own regime. I am able to support reducing it without breaking the law. Iran does not need many fighter jets; missiles will do all the work. No one in the "axis of resistance" has much of an air force, but they have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of missiles. That is why aircraft carriers are obsolete, like floating cemeteries. Same for the thirty-five bases.

    It does not matter to me if they have enriched uranium. Again, we know of only one place that has really used nuclear weapons, twice, against civilians. The U. S. cannot project unilateral force like this any more, whether due to the risk, the high cost that has already broken the country, or that there is really no popular support for a war of any kind. We will always have a 15% minority who is happy to run proxies or do small-scale violence via the CIA in an attempt to white-knuckle their wealth, and this is the part that is hard to stop, since it is unelected and unaccountable for its actions, it is a form of dictatorship.

    France only had around 100 in Iraq. There are 5,000 Americans and 2,500 others, who are leaving Nineveh and Mosul, not leaving the country but "consolidating" at four bigger bases with Patriots.

    I do not know what the U. S. is good for as a superpower. Instead, it seems to me that the U. S., Israel, and Saudi Arabia will disintegrate, not really due to me trying to change their regimes, but, their internal and foreign policies are unsustainable, so they will just get worse and worse problems until they fold, which is more or less in progress now. In the long run, it should be purged of corporatism, real estate, and the medical system; or, at least, we had our revolution to prevent these things. And here, even Sharia law has certain advantages, like no such thing as mortgage. Most of the ancient cultures also practiced Jubilee, and, in the opinion of the corporate system, you better not know about this, they have done quite a bit to erase memories about societies getting a grip on "wage slavery".
    People in the US has not realized most things good in life have already been taken from them, in the name of "safety" and plenty other excuses. For me, what they see as freedom is just suffocating rules on how to live your life, with no gain for you as a citizen. And let's not even talk about why you can die just by raising your hands in compliance with a cop while a second cop is telling you to NOT raise your hands..

    I have read about living off the grid on the US, it seems like a magical thing for most US citizens, getting away from the cities and producing your own food and stuff, it has gone in a way that it seems like a dream for lots of people, but in other countries (less free than the US) that's the norm! How can people not realize this?

    Now we constantly hear about how these countries on the middle east are bad and stuff like that, plenty of reasons while at the same time we know but never hear who supports those groups that turn those countries into complete wastelands, while before they were doing fine in their own way. It is clear the entire narrative of how those countries ended up being "bad countries" is broken and damaged. And tons of people around the world are so naive and oblivious to reality it really causes a second part of humanity to be very very angry about this ignorance and silence.

    I had a friend named Binay, he was from Pakistan, he lived in Russia growing up and then moved away. Lost contact with him about 4 years ago. A few months ago i learned he died 3 year ago, he got beheaded by some ISIS people, he left behind 2 boys and one girl, and a wife. His parent is taking care of them, but he has diabetes and has already lost one leg to it. He has not much time left and then who knows what will happen to those kids, Syria is not a good place to be and every single person i have talked about it likes to pretend it all started out of nowhere, no mention at all of who supported ISIS or the "freedom fighters" who ended up being the same ISIS groups under other names. No mention at all of where the guns and money to cause all that death and destruction came from. And that makes me angry and somehow disappointed in humanity on America, because they don't care to know most times

    There was no need for that suffering, and there must be thousands and more in same situation, and they will never get any justice. There are always tons of ways to go around the main issue, right?
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    Hi Mashika,

    Many of us in the US did realize, but the majority probably not.

    I love your insight though.
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    People in the US has not realized most things good in life have already been taken from them, in the name of "safety" and plenty other excuses. For me, what they see as freedom is just suffocating rules on how to live your life, with no gain for you as a citizen. And let's not even talk about why you can die just by raising your hands in compliance with a cop while a second cop is telling you to NOT raise your hands..

    I have read about living off the grid on the US, it seems like a magical thing for most US citizens, getting away from the cities and producing your own food and stuff, it has gone in a way that it seems like a dream for lots of people, but in other countries (less free than the US) that's the norm! How can people not realize this?
    Spot on, and this came with what we call the Civil War, which should mean two sides fighting for control of the government, which is not what happened. It was more of a pro-empire war and after that, laws started changing, and each generation takes some loss and loses the memories and values. Now, it is some kind of artificial substitute, much like you have described.


    What I said earlier was mistaken, the same article has both statements that Iran threatened the F-18 and that the president stopped it.

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    First of all, I'm definitely not a person who supports the Zionist system, especially not what the US and the deep state are doing. I form my own opinion and I represent it, alas if I should sometimes be wrong or misjudge situations. But that doesn't mean that I listen to the propaganda from Israle or the USA. I read my previous posts that I am against such measures and also tried to explain how and what could have been the trigger for 9.11.

    I lived in Iran, witnessed the beginning of the revolution and the first Gulf War, and also fought. I was in political detention in Evin Prison for 30 months. I heard the little girls' voices in the next room where the women were gathered for questioning. I heard how young children were brutally treated, how women were abused when they went to the toilet. I was there, only I couldn't see it through the blindfold that everyone in evin prison has to wear. but I could hear the voices. a woman asked to be allowed to go to the toilet, she had to wash herself urgently.

    But the man who worked for the Revolutionary Guard did not let her go. he asked her why she had to go to the toilet? She replied that she had red alert. I think you can't explain it more clearly as a woman. The man just didn't let her go alone and didn't call a woman guard, no, he accompanied her. She came back crying. So please tell me, a government that allows and supports such things to remain in power? What does that have to do with propaganda from Israel and the USA?

    I know what Israel is up to with Palestine and what is going on there, if I did not know it I would not allow myself to take part in this discussion. But how long has this been going on with Israel and Palestine and Lebanon, how long? Since Moshe Dajan or Golda Meir? I mean the whole world is watching and nothing is happening. should the same thing happen to the mullahs' regime in Iran? What the mullahs in Iran do to people is ok, I mean should it go on like this? Then ok, then go ahead, I would like to hear a solution to this.

    I don't see a solution, there will surely be many deaths in the event of an attack. Is the Iranian government really a solid system? If so, why are people murdered by this regime every day? I'm not against the people, I don't want people to die Iranians. I just want this government to go, and that has nothing to do with warmongering. Rather so that people cannot defend themselves, whoever opens their mouths is killed. The mullahs and their followers rule with the politics of fear. Should it really go on like this, being constantly on the run, just living in fear?

    What has Iran lost in Syria or in Lebanon? While the people of Iran barely have anything to eat, the mullahs are at war. But I don't care, I don't live in Iran and that's a good thing. Let them do what they want, I have helped long enough when Iranians were in need. From now on, those who think I can listen to the propaganda of Israel can take care of it.
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    Iyacum, I misjudged you. You have real life experience that you are relying on.

    The president of the Unites States of America declared (even before the election in 2016) that he was not only pro-torture, he wanted to see torture get turned up, made more severe! The USA, Inc. military has numerous "black prisons" and "detainment centers" around the world, as well as well-known detainment centers such as Guantanamo. Torture goes on in all these places every day. Why not ask for a world superpower to bomb the USA? Israel is the epicenter of Middle East tensions, and has been ever since at least 1967 when they told the UN and the US and the world to STFU and stand down while they stole much of the remaining Palestine that was most desirable. Why not call for a superpower to bomb Israel?

    There are a lot of examples of nations where the "leaders" end up to be crooks and do whatever they feel is necessary to control their populations and make themselves rich, and the USA has done nothing to help the citizens. There are a lot of examples where natural disasters have tremendously impacted populations, and the USA sends nothing or a token. Or, even worse, increases economic sanctions (John Perkins' revelation that this is a phase of war, undeclared "war"), like in Venezuela. Venezuela is fighting off a bioweapon (or a "bioweapons-grade" virus), it is estimated that 100,000 Venezuelans have died already due to US-imposed economic sanctions, and what does the USA do? Holds firm on sanctions (which State officials have admitted are aimed at citizens, not governments. -Again, another tactic John Perkins educated us about.) China, Russia, and Cuba sent medical supplies to Venezuela (probably in defiance of sanctions.) Who is the bad guy here?

    The US president (a military general) in 1960 coined the term "Military Industrial Complex" and warned the American people that the MIC were already having "undue influence." Since then, the MIC metastasized. Since then, almost all manufacturing jobs in the US were lost, due to corporations unwillingness to pay fair wages and keep pollution within sane parameters. What is left in the USA is the Military Industrial Complex (and a few other 'complexes' such as Intelligence/Security Complex, Big Pharma and Big Rockefeller/Allopathic Medicine Complex, Big Ag and Ag Chemical Complex), but 2/3rds of the US budget is for the Military Industrial Complex. So eternal war is the USA's economic stability. The USA needs to start wars to profit from wars. The USA is the VERY LAST country that should (pretend to) intervene in other countries affairs.

    US citizens have been manipulated using a variety of techniques, but (remember the 'babies in the incubators' fabrication), primarily with visceral imagery. "Chopping off heads!" "Raping!" "Gassing their own people!" These are the images that the militariist/war-profiteering think tanks have found to be the most effective memes to garner public acquiescence to their warmongering agenda. Or the mother of them all, "weapons of mass destruction!" I wish nobody had nukes, but Israel does, and again, they are the most aggressive, most destabilizing force in the Middle East. The ever-expanding "Greater Israel" project is not just a conspiracy theory, and Israel has already doubled in size stealing Palestinian territory and Syrian territory. Yet, Iran is the bad guy in the Middle East? I'm not for bombing anyone, but if I was, and I actually wanted peace in the Middle East, Israel would surrender all nukes, stop all aggression, and give back Palestinian land to Palestine - and if they would not, then send in UN forces into Israel, aimed at the Zionist mobsters that control Israel's government, not the Israeli citizens.

    You may have personal reasons to want a regime change in Iran, but calling on the USA and it's military toadies to destroy Iran and murder millions of Iranian civilians is a pretty poor way to help the citizens of Iran, and is in lockstep with the USA, INC. war-profiteering mobsters agenda.
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    So please tell me, a government that allows and supports such things to remain in power? What does that have to do with propaganda from Israel and the USA?
    There are a lot of prisons which are really severe like that. Most likely, originally, they all were, and it is only recently this may have changed, since various types of what we consider to be human rights never really started until the 19th century.

    Gaza is considered a prison, has all of 40 Intensive Care Units, and will probably be one of the worst virus infestations, thanks to conditions imposed on them.

    Iran may have some really harsh domestic policies: ok. As foreign affairs or international policies, I do not see them doing much that is all that destructive, unlike some of the countries that may have more tender treatment of their murderers. You wouldn't want to be a prisoner in Turkey, Singapore, Myanmar, Ghana, Uruguay, Kuwait, on and on, there is no shortage of authorities on the brutal side. But only one of those is trying to destroy something outside of itself, and, they are losing really bad in Libya.

    That is more or less how I view these things, in terms of what does a country do to other countries, and not really whether their internal laws or culture seem suitable to me personally.

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    Hey guys,

    before I answer I would like to mention that everything we are discussing here is just a discussion and I try to do my own part that it remains a friendly discussion and exchange. I have nothing against your opinion as you have nothing against mine. I just wanted to say that before answering and thanks to everyone involved in this somewhat difficult discussion. After all, some nationalities, cultures and perspectives meet here. Hoping that everyone has the same rights and acceptance - Thx @ll

    It is not easy to answer, because on the one hand all partners have had different experiences. My experiences are of a practical nature, almost only life experiences with which I have been able to successfully live my life.
    I do not want to say that I am very familiar with politics, especially US politics, only what I have learned is in line with Dennis Leahy's view. The fact that the president said in the 2016 elections he does not want to lower torture but rather increases it and that there is no plan to abolish Guantanamo. Now that's what the mullahs talked about when they took power in 1979. first there was a general amnesty, then the prisons, especially Evin and Chasr, filled up again with political prisoners. Who have been locked up for their opinion. Yes there were terrorist attacks that shouldn't have been.

    The mullahs' takeover was relatively easy. Suddenly, very many people were armed and shot at civilians. Anyone who realized that the future government was more towards captivity and terror was publicly executed on the street. A kind of terror broke out on the streets of the big cities. Blood flowed everywhere. It was also a very brutal revolution. On the one hand the Islamists, the military, the Mujaheddins, the left and the monarchists, who hadn't really been deposed yet. When the Islamists became aware that there were so many groups, they called for the violence of terror to begin. as the saying goes, "those who come to power with terror continue with terror when they are in power".

    Yes, it is true that the USA did not really help as the superpower, just how long it took for Clinton to intervene in ex Yugoslavia and put an end to the senseless murder. Also in Haiti or in other countries. Only where there is something to get as when Saddam invaded Kuwait and thus started the second Gulf War. But Bush senior could have disempowered Saddam at the time, but he didn't. That was strategically planned so that Bush junior could wage war and above all prove himself to everyone.

    It is correct what Dennis writes, there should be a superpower that will attack Israel and the United States. Only that doesn't exist, and the Israeli arsenal grows every day. I agree, only then I ask myself how could you allow countries like India and Pakistan to suddenly have nuclear weapons and build them? Nobody really intervened, not even when France tested its nuclear tests on the Muruoraatolle. France was allowed to do that, there were mass protests against it, only nothing has moved. Especially not the USA or the IAEA.

    Yes, in order to really achieve peace in the Middle Easter or Middle East, Israel would first have to surrender all nuclear weapons. Only that will never happen, even if the UN intervenes.
    And yes, I have personal reasons for a change of power in Iran, but that doesn't mean it has to be that way. Only when I think of the situation in Iran every time does I feel sick. It is exactly what Dennie Lehaye writes. A lot of civilians would die in an attack by the United States. But they also die that way, not in such an amount and the number if there is war, but still.

    Well I withdraw my call, I see that this call does not fit and is not appropriate. Then what? Let's put it this way, I see from my personal reasons that I mentioned or called that the USA and Israel attack Iran and thus initiate a change of power. Ok, erased erased from my brain.

    I know there are prisons in other countries, especially in the United States, that we don't even know exist. I know the conditions of a prison in Istanbul, where I was able to enjoy the hospitality of the Turks for a very short time. I don't know how it is today, but in my time the prison was in Sirkeci. The entrance portal or rather the small door that leads into the prison made of stone and wood. In Turkish it said "Burda Allah Yok" which means there is no God here. I was lucky not to have spent more than three days, only I know how they treat people and I also know their torture. I don't want to know what it's like in countries that shaberon has listed.

    Well, there is no way to help the civilian population. Not while the mullahs are in power. Then it is so, they wanted the revolution against the Shah and got it. Which doesn't mean I think Shah Pahlavi was good for the country. Because he wasn't, under his dictatorship there were enough deaths and enough people who simply disappeared in prisons. As I wrote in the last posting. I've been helping as long as I can. If at some point the Iranians decide to start a white revolution, then they should do it. Through this discussion and based on my life experience, I have learned enough and also had to take enough. Now it is up to the people of Iran to decide what they want and what is not, what is good for them and what is not. I no longer intervene when it comes to help or support for Iranians. I can't and don't want to do anything in this direction anymore.

    Over and out...
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    Here is how close we are to the scenario:

    By withdrawing from vulnerable bases in Iraq, the U. S. military, by consolidating, is preparing for a destructive campaign against Iranian paramilitaries--aside from the fact these have not really been proven to have done the attacks, and "threats" come from sessions of Iraq's Parliament.

    The primary culprits behind this potential military escalation are top officials, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Robert C. O’Brien, the national security adviser.

    Therefor the Pentagon is responding to pressure from appointed officials.

    So far, the orders given seem to be to plan and prepare. Most of the military usually does not want to do this stuff, does not believe it will work, and will probably have worse consequences. The Iranian forces are invited guests, why would someone think attacking them is a good idea?

    If the Mid-East calls its shots, there will be no peace until America and Israel are gone: the first by simply leaving, and, the second, by being "wiped off the map", which means the state apparatus is dissolved. So it is not really even against the government--not in the sense of removing one and installing another. It means changing the borders back to something like 1967, erasing and re-writing the laws from zero. It does not necessarily mean violence. It could be done with enough popular support from Israelis.

    My view at home is that the Federal entity is undesirable, and it would be better to have lone states and a few regional blocs. So I am already in favor of forms of erasure.

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    Hey guys,

    before I answer I would like to mention that everything we are discussing here is just a discussion and I try to do my own part that it remains a friendly discussion and exchange. I have nothing against your opinion as you have nothing against mine. I just wanted to say that before answering and thanks to everyone involved in this somewhat difficult discussion. After all, some nationalities, cultures and perspectives meet here. Hoping that everyone has the same rights and acceptance - Thx @ll

    It is not easy to answer, because on the one hand all partners have had different experiences. My experiences are of a practical nature, almost only life experiences with which I have been able to successfully live my life.
    I do not want to say that I am very familiar with politics, especially US politics, only what I have learned is in line with Dennis Leahy's view. The fact that the president said in the 2016 elections he does not want to lower torture but rather increases it and that there is no plan to abolish Guantanamo. Now that's what the mullahs talked about when they took power in 1979. first there was a general amnesty, then the prisons, especially Evin and Chasr, filled up again with political prisoners. Who have been locked up for their opinion. Yes there were terrorist attacks that shouldn't have been.

    The mullahs' takeover was relatively easy. Suddenly, very many people were armed and shot at civilians. Anyone who realized that the future government was more towards captivity and terror was publicly executed on the street. A kind of terror broke out on the streets of the big cities. Blood flowed everywhere. It was also a very brutal revolution. On the one hand the Islamists, the military, the Mujaheddins, the left and the monarchists, who hadn't really been deposed yet. When the Islamists became aware that there were so many groups, they called for the violence of terror to begin. as the saying goes, "those who come to power with terror continue with terror when they are in power".

    Yes, it is true that the USA did not really help as the superpower, just how long it took for Clinton to intervene in ex Yugoslavia and put an end to the senseless murder. Also in Haiti or in other countries. Only where there is something to get as when Saddam invaded Kuwait and thus started the second Gulf War. But Bush senior could have disempowered Saddam at the time, but he didn't. That was strategically planned so that Bush junior could wage war and above all prove himself to everyone.

    It is correct what Dennis writes, there should be a superpower that will attack Israel and the United States. Only that doesn't exist, and the Israeli arsenal grows every day. I agree, only then I ask myself how could you allow countries like India and Pakistan to suddenly have nuclear weapons and build them? Nobody really intervened, not even when France tested its nuclear tests on the Muruoraatolle. France was allowed to do that, there were mass protests against it, only nothing has moved. Especially not the USA or the IAEA.

    Yes, in order to really achieve peace in the Middle Easter or Middle East, Israel would first have to surrender all nuclear weapons. Only that will never happen, even if the UN intervenes.
    And yes, I have personal reasons for a change of power in Iran, but that doesn't mean it has to be that way. Only when I think of the situation in Iran every time does I feel sick. It is exactly what Dennie Lehaye writes. A lot of civilians would die in an attack by the United States. But they also die that way, not in such an amount and the number if there is war, but still.

    Well I withdraw my call, I see that this call does not fit and is not appropriate. Then what? Let's put it this way, I see from my personal reasons that I mentioned or called that the USA and Israel attack Iran and thus initiate a change of power. Ok, erased erased from my brain.

    I know there are prisons in other countries, especially in the United States, that we don't even know exist. I know the conditions of a prison in Istanbul, where I was able to enjoy the hospitality of the Turks for a very short time. I don't know how it is today, but in my time the prison was in Sirkeci. The entrance portal or rather the small door that leads into the prison made of stone and wood. In Turkish it said "Burda Allah Yok" which means there is no God here. I was lucky not to have spent more than three days, only I know how they treat people and I also know their torture. I don't want to know what it's like in countries that shaberon has listed.

    Well, there is no way to help the civilian population. Not while the mullahs are in power. Then it is so, they wanted the revolution against the Shah and got it. Which doesn't mean I think Shah Pahlavi was good for the country. Because he wasn't, under his dictatorship there were enough deaths and enough people who simply disappeared in prisons. As I wrote in the last posting. I've been helping as long as I can. If at some point the Iranians decide to start a white revolution, then they should do it. Through this discussion and based on my life experience, I have learned enough and also had to take enough. Now it is up to the people of Iran to decide what they want and what is not, what is good for them and what is not. I no longer intervene when it comes to help or support for Iranians. I can't and don't want to do anything in this direction anymore.

    Over and out...
    I guess i can just say that thinking US intervention will somehow make things better than the current reality is a mistake. Look at Haiti for example, we don't hear news about it at all because the tremendous suffering was caused by an exact same scenario as the one you describe in Iran, so all the suffering is hidden away from the world and Haiti is considered a "democratic and free" country, but not at all in reality

    Bolivia is another case, indigenous people are being killed and silenced badly, abused in ways we don't hear about because the coup leaders were sent and setup with money and support by the US, the country was doing fine in their own way. Now you won't hear about the suffering of those people because the coup leaders are supported by the US and are extremely racists against indigenous people, the Bolivian army has free pass to kill any indigenous people for any reason and they abuse that power, it was given to them by the new leadership and who is going to know what happens if those people got their voices completely removed?

    I don't think Iran would be different, it would be a dream for the US gov to take down the current "regime" (it's always a regime if it doesn't align with the US goals), but the new installed government would probably be worse, it just will not be attacked or considered bad in anyway because it aligns with US goals in the region, and if millions die no one will know and history will repeat again, causing more jihadists and war, that's just not the road to real freedom and real democracy, and neither is the will of the people as in Bolivia, Venezuela, Haiti and tons of other countries that got their lives completely destroyed "in the name of"

    In Syria, it was said way too many times that it was the fight of the people to free the country from Assad, but once territories and towns were being freed from ISIS and the fake freedom fighters, people would be happy and show support for the Syrian army, why? And if it was the people who were wanting to remove the official gov, where are they now? How come people run away from the freedom fighters controlled zones in thousands and into Syrian official government controlled zones? How come they run to Russian army soldiers happy to see them? It was all lies in the end, it wasn't the will of the people, they got it way worse but things are getting better a bit for them now, and you won't hear much about it on main stream media of course, it's hard to backtrack and say "we were wrong"

    Oh and Libya but everyone knows about that one, is like the best and worse example of what happens when "freedom and democracy" are forcefully introduced, pure hell. People went from having some kind stable modern life to becoming slaves and basically living in caves. How is that "good"? But we don't hear about it also anywhere, it has been silenced for the most part

    But what do i know, i'm just talking from what i've seen so far, i read a list of countries that got intervened by the US and those were like 50 or so and all of them went from mostly ok to hell holes in the following years after being "liberated". I believe history proves this is the wrong way to fix things, just saying
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    No, U. S. intervention is rarely helpful, and it would be the first big lie to say it is a democracy, or, really, the original U. S. was aimed at preventing democracy, whereas the cult of "citizenship" that we have now is a form of it. In other words, preventing the spread of democracy sounds like a better or at least alternate path to peace and prosperity. This is not even supposed to be a "republic", but the use of "a republican form of government", not a democracy whatsoever. It should secure endowed rights, charge tariffs, and that's about it. None of the European revolutions followed this model--Thomas Paine terrified all those governments into the conclusion that an "American style" revolution was unacceptable. When it started in France, it may well have been similar, but got taken over and pushed in a different direction. None of those new republics allow you to be anything besides "citizen subject". Whether this is better for the population than monarchy, I am not sure, but as far as I know, the longest outbreak of peace for about 40 years was due to an Emperor (Franz-Josef), and not by iron-fisted oppression.


    Saudi Arabia intercepted two missiles over Riyadh the other day; two are not usually a problem, but now they have taken the largest attack yet:

    “the joint military operation of the missile force and the Air Force managed to target a number of sensitive targets in the capital of the Saudi enemy, Riyadh, with Zulfiqar missiles, and a number of Samad-3 aircraft.”

    “The major military operation also targeted a number of economic and military targets in Jizan, Najran and Asir, with a large number of Badr missiles and 2K bombers.”

    That is only a prelude to what is about to happen.

    The whole wave of ordinance they sent probably cost about as much as a single Patriot missile, which, to its credit, has around a 60% success rate, somewhere around the efficiency of Soviet-era equipment.

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