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    Senator Roberts of Australia reveals the manipulation of the climate change data, very important public release.


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    Not surprisingly, there is a strong case against his argument. This is from The Guardian, first published in 2016:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...science-denier


    Debunking Malcolm Roberts: the case against a climate science denier

    The One Nation senator dismisses the conventional scientific view of climate change. Here are the holes in his most commonly deployed arguments

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    One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts argues that all the major science organisations around the world have collaborated, manipulating climate data to suppress temperatures in the 1930s and 40s, thereby making today’s temperatures look unusual. Photograph: Phil Noble/Reuters

    The election of Malcolm Roberts as a One Nation senator has put Australia’s media in a difficult spot.

    In his first speech to Parliament on Tuesday, Roberts made many false claims about climate change. He said that climate change was a “scam” and implied that it was some sort of conspiracy between all the major international research agencies. “ ... there is no data proving human use of hydro-carbon fuels affects climate,” he said.

    Most news outlets had stopped covering the views of climate science deniers in regular reporting. There is a clear scientific consensus that the world is warming and that human carbon emissions have caused it, so reporting the views of a few non-experts who push fanciful theories with no credible evidence is seen as “false balance”.

    But journalists are in a different position when someone in an important office holds such views.
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    Discussing whether the Guardian would publish letters from climate change deniers, the readers’ editor wrote in 2013: “Sometimes the identity of a person expressing an opinion is as interesting as the thing being expressed. If a member of the royal family wrote a letter denying that climate change exists the Guardian would almost certainly run it.”

    Some have argued the media should ignore the views of Roberts. But as a senator his views may affect legislation and the terms of the debate that influence it. So those views are newsworthy, particularly in the early part of his term when many Australians will be becoming aware of him for the first time. Guardian Australia will report them when that is warranted on grounds of public policy debate.

    But to avoid repeatedly having to debunk Roberts’ views, we have produced a handy reference list of his main arguments, as outlined on the ABC’s Q&A program on 15 August. This list may be updated if he introduces new elements to back his claims.
    One Nation’s Pauline Hanson with fellow senator Malcolm Roberts
    One Nation’s Pauline Hanson with fellow senator Malcolm Roberts, who is a climate science denier. Photograph: Dan Peled/AAP
    The ‘pause’

    Another inconvenient fact, temperatures statistically have not been warming since 1995

    One main strategy used by climate change deniers is to argue that there is no trend in warming, or that the recent trend is not at all unusual.

    They often point to what has been called by some a “pause” in global warming – also sometimes called the “hiatus” or “slowdown”. They point to temperatures in 1998 (or sometimes a bit earlier) and say they were similar to today’s temperatures. They conclude that therefore global warming has stopped.

    If you look just at the temperatures in the graph below, ignoring the red trend line which is averaged over longer time periods, there doesn’t seem to be much warming.
    Global surface air and sea surface temperatures between 1998 and 2013
    Global surface air and sea surface temperatures between 1998 and 2013. Photograph: Nasa

    The most obvious thing wrong with this argument is that no climate scientist thinks global warming means temperatures will always increase at the same rate. The climate has many natural sources of “variability”, which push temperatures up and down over months, years and decades. Superimposed over global warming, that variability can speed up or slow down the warming trend we see.
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    Short periods of slower cooling are expected as a result of weather events such as La Niña.

    This probably happened between 1998 and about 2013 (although some scientists have controversially suggested it may not have happened at all). 1998 was a record hot year, and if you look only at the 15 years that followed, temperatures didn’t increase much.

    Of course, choosing a record hot year as your starting point is cheating – just as choosing a record cold year would be. When you zoom out and look at the longer-term picture, there is a clear trend. And since 2013, temperatures have skyrocketed, with 2014 and 2015 (and almost certainly 2016) each setting new records.
    Global surface air, and sea surface temperatures since 1880. Blue box indicates the small region used to suggest global warming had stopped.
    Global surface air and sea surface temperatures since 1880. The blue box indicates the small region used to suggest global warming had stopped. Photograph: NASA

    Understanding the precise causes of that short period of slower warming was of interest to scientists but it was not a challenge to the general picture that the globe was warming – and continued to warm – on larger timescales.
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    For what it’s worth, a lot of work suggested the “hiatus” was a result of an extended La Niña-like period in what is called the Pacific decadal oscillation, in which heat from the atmosphere was being stored just under the surface in the Pacific Ocean. That process now looks as though it has reversed, releasing the heat and causing a sharp temperature rise.
    ‘Manipulation’ of the data

    MALCOLM ROBERTS: Yeah, 1930s and 40s were warmer than the current decades … The original records are … first of all, that the data has been corrupted and we know that the 1930s were warmer than today.

    BRIAN COX, fellow Q&A panellist and physicist: What do you mean by corrupted? Corrupted? What do you mean corrupted?

    ROBERTS: Been manipulated.

    COX: By who?

    ROBERTS: By Nasa.

    COX: Nasa?

    ROBERTS: Yes.

    This is an example of two strategies in one. The first is to deny there is a warming trend, or that it is unusual, as in the “hiatus” claim.

    When scientists point out that the data contradicts the claim, climate change deniers sometimes resort to conspiracy theories. In this case, Roberts argues that all the major science organisations around the world have collaborated, manipulating climate data to suppress temperatures in the 30s and 40s, thereby making today’s temperatures look unusual.

    The weird thing here is that Roberts isn’t even getting the conspiracy theory right. The theory he is thinking of – which even most climate change deniers now reject – is not that global temperatures were higher in the 30s and 40s, but that specifically temperatures just in the US were higher than today.

    Climate scientists used to believe that was the case. Even then, they knew the world as a whole was warming, so the scientific discussion revolved around trying to explain the spatial variation – why temperatures in the US were different. It was in no way a challenge to the clear observation that global temperatures were rising sharply.

    The chart below is from a paper published in 1999 discussing this issue and comparing the known global temperature rises with the understanding of US temperatures at the time.
    Graphs from a 1999 Nasa paper comparing how scientists then interpreted US temperatures with global temperatures.
    Graphs from a 1999 Nasa paper comparing how scientists then interpreted US temperatures with global temperatures.

    The problem was, records going that far back are based on all sorts of measurements that are difficult to compare – some are taken at different times of day or at different altitudes. And many locations or times change over the period.
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    Figuring out how to put them all on the same scale involves complex calculations. More than 15 years ago, Nasa’s method of doing so resulted in the conclusion that US temperatures were unusually high in the 30s and 40s.

    Then Nasa expanded the data set it used to include information about ocean temperatures and corrected for the then well-documented “urban heat island” effect.

    The changes didn’t alter the trend much but did mean that the hottest year on record in the US became 1998 rather than 1934. As data and understanding improved, further adjustments were made by Nasa in 2011, which revealed more of a warming trend across the US.

    All the changes were discussed by Nasa at the time but more than a decade later climate deniers picked this up and claimed it was a conspiracy.

    There is no such thing as meaningful raw data when it comes to historical temperature records – they must be interpreted. With more data and better understanding, that interpretation will change. And since several different organisations around the world do their own interpretations of the data and agree on the outcome, confidence in their results can be high.

    In any case, Roberts’ claim that global temperatures were higher in the 30s and 40s is not even a conspiracy theory that is held by anyone. And the claim that Nasa secretly manipulated data to hide the fact that those decades were warmer than today in the US is plainly false.

    Even if temperatures in the US were higher then than they were recently – as scientists thought in 1999 – it wouldn’t change the global picture, which for a long time has clearly shown increasing temperatures.
    Trashing the models

    The models have already been proven wrong, hopelessly wrong.

    The truth is that climate models have been shown to work remarkably well.

    Models predict trends in climate, not particular events. So a few years – even up to a decade or so – that isn’t quite what a model predicted is not evidence the model is flawed.

    But the performance of climate models over the past few decades has been amazingly accurate.
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    The image below comes from the latest report of the UN’s intergovernmental panel on climate change. It shows how observations of temperatures have compared with climate models since 1990.
    The image below comes from the latest report of the UN’s intergovernmental panel on climate change. It shows how observations of temperatures have compared with climate models since 1990.

    There are a lot of graphs floating around the climate denier corners of the internet that cherry-pick some of the observations and compare them with just some of the model simulations, and usually don’t include the shading to show the uncertainty in those projections.

    Between 1998 and 2013, the observed temperatures were towards the lower end of the models’ predictions. That is not surprising, and it doesn’t mean the models aren’t working – the temperature rise has still been within the expected range.

    But a paper last year showed the difference between prediction and observation has been exaggerated, since while models are all about surface air temperatures, the observations they were compared with have traditionally been a combination of air temperatures over land and sea surface temperatures, which are warming more slowly than the air above the seas.

    Correcting for that created a model that let scientists to compare apples with apples, which showed the difference between the simulation and observations shrank considerably. That can be seen in the image below, where in the lower panel the shaded area drops a bit lower, putting the observed temperatures closer to the centre of the modelled temperatures.

    The difference that was left was likely to be simply a result of natural variability, which caused warming to slow slightly and temporarily.
    Before (top) and after (bottom) adjusting the models so they projected temperatures in a way that could be compared like-for-like with observations.
    Before (top) and after (bottom) adjusting the models so they projected temperatures in a way that could be compared like-for-like with observations. Photograph: Schmidt et al. (2014)
    Historical distractions

    The latest warming cycle in the 17th century going into the 18th century was faster and greater than the latest warming …

    It’s not clear what Roberts is talking about here.

    In the northern hemisphere there was a period of relatively cold weather between about 1550 and 1800, known as the “little ice age”.

    No recent or even outdated studies suggest it was warmer around 1700 than it is today. One book from 1965 – one of the first works to suggest there was a “little ice age” – did suggest some rapid warming towards 1700 in the northern hemisphere as the world emerged from the cold period. But that was based on very limited data and, even in that work, temperatures were not thought to have risen to unusual heights. And newer work based on much more detailed records suggests any cool period at roughly that time was much less pronounced than previously thought.

    This statement highlights another strategy used by climate deniers. Making a spurious claim about temperature records attempts to put the onus of proof on the interlocutor. It is so unclear what Roberts is talking about that it is hard to make a case against him.
    ‘It’s basic’

    It is basic. The sun warms the earth’s surface. The surface, by contact, warms the moving, circulating atmosphere. That means the atmosphere cools the surface. How then can the atmosphere warm it? It cannot. That is why their computer models are wrong.

    It’s honestly just not clear where to start with this quote. Is he doubting that the sun can warm the atmosphere? If so, then why is the atmosphere not freezing? Is he arguing that because the earth’s surface is warmer than the air above it (which is true over land), that the atmosphere can’t warm?

    A few people on twitter attempted to understand what he meant by this:
    How should the media cover Roberts’ claims?

    Media outlets are drawn in two competing directions when deciding how to cover Robert’s false claims.

    On the one hand, it has become common practice not to report climate change denier views as a matter of course. And so editors might be drawn to ignore his claims. But as discussed above, his views could now have relevance and importance – not because they are potentially true, but because they could influence the workings of parliament.

    On the other hand there can be the opposite drive too. His views can be such good fodder for headlines, that there is a temptation to cover everything he says. But taking that path allows politicians to manipulate the media, driving them to say even more outrageous things to garner even more headlines.

    Roberts’ views should simply be reported when they are newsworthy, no more and no less. Of course this can be a tricky thing to judge, but newsrooms should be experienced at making such decisions.
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    @Fellow Aspirant "TheGuardian" ?

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    Climate Clash: Aussie Senator Malcolm Roberts Owns TV Physicist Brian Cox

    Mr Cox has a tendency to go in unprepared and is often thrown by the simplest of questions, frequently giving the impression that he doesn’t know as much as he pretends. For example, the classic moment when he argued with a student that E=mc2 was incorrect, a debate that appeared on youtube before it was swiftly removed. The link below illustrates another wonderful gaff by the esteemed prof where he makes a mistake so elementary that one of his first year students at Manchester uni (funny how he apparently only teaches first year) could have corrected him. http://motls.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/...ar-phases.html

    Cox is completely incompetent. He starts off with two graphs which means he must have selected and printed off “evidence” in preparation. He shows a temp. graph of the 20th c. and CO2 proxy what seems to cover at least the last four interglacials. He then says the question is : are they correlated?

    He seems to be inspired by Al Gore’s “Convenient Untruth” which misleads about the correlation but Cox did not even produce graphs of similar periods to offer for comparison. He clearly does not have the first idea about the climate record or the meaning of the word correlation.

    There is correlation on the scale of 100,000 years which his graph showed but it is not the one he wants to suggest. When Senator Roberts said that temperature caused CO2 rise Cox laughed, little realising his own ignorance.

    However, it seems that sen. Roberts is relying too much on unpublished ideas of Murray Salsby and may be under the impression that recent CO2 rise can be explained by temperature rise. Though that is certainly partially true, it is a highly contentious idea that is a major component of recent CO2 rise and he would be better avoiding making that claim.
    Sen. Roberts clearly knows a lot more about climate science than Cox does. One of the most informed opinions I have ever seen from a politician.

    Interesting that Cox initially describes his second graph as showing emissions, and then catches his mistake and changes it to concentrations.
    I hadn’t watched this – it provides ample evidence as to why watching this show is a waste of time. The format is outnumber a dissenter and then ambush them; never let them follow up a point; allow the designated ambusher to talk over the top and then curtail any points that look like they might score.

    M.Seward – thanks for identifying the graph. Dodgy as! As Roberts pointed out, it suppresses the 1998 temperature to elevate 2015. Do you have a link where a copy can be obtained?


    I have no liking for Roberts (his politics are nationalist and isolationist), but he was calm and had the better of Cox – though cognitive dissonance was on display in responses to it. Cox seemed ignorant of key points, like the ‘warm champagne’ effect of warming oceans producing CO2.
    And Pete at 11.13am:

    ‘Just suppose the climate scientists are wrong – the Earth will not suffer as a result. If the climate scientists are right, and the vast majority have believed if for many years, our comfortable lives are going to change for the worse and other less fortunate people will have no future at all. Why take such a massive risk?’
    As an IPCC expert reviewer on ‘key vulnerabilities’, I would have to say that is about the most ridiculous comment I have read on this blog. Read some economics – eg Richard Tol, and understand how your prescription further impoverishes those currently poor for the benefit of future generations who will be several times more wealthy.
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    WATCH the episode with special guest Senator Malcolm Roberts on "Climate Change" one segment at a time:

    01. My Take On Climate Change - First Five

    02. The Background to Climate Alarmism

    03. How Climate Actually Works

    04. Will The Real Climate Science Please Stand Up

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    Read 'Inconvenient Facts' by geologist Gregory Wrightstone if you want to see how data has been cherry picked and distorted by Global Warmists.

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    The troll attacks on those who speak out about the threat of climate change have focused on Greta, of late. Ever since she started getting people to get riled up about the destruction of our planet, she has been a target.

    Attack!!! For the Koch's!!!

    One of the trolls even made a veiled threat to her life as she embarked on her trans-Atlantic yacht voyage. Now that's rational.

    Here's an analysis of what the preposterously rich have wrought wrt this courageous young person, as carried by Teen Vogue:

    Attacks on Greta Thunberg Come from a Coordinated Network of Climate Change Deniers

    Protect Greta at all costs.

    By Mat Hope
    September 23, 2019
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    This piece originally appeared in DeSmog Blog. It is republished here as part of Covering Climate Now, a global collaboration of more than 250 news outlets to strengthen coverage of the climate story.

    “Freak yachting accidents do happen…”

    That was how British businessman, Trump ally, and Brexit bankroller Arron Banks responded to the news that Greta Thunberg, the Swedish teen who inspired the school climate strikes movement, was sailing to America to attend the UN Climate Action Summit. His scorn was not unique.

    Many people have already spilled thousands of words of commentary explaining how personal attacks on Greta — often lobbed by old white men, sometimes mocking her Aspergers — are unacceptable. But understanding where those attackers come from, ideologically and professionally, casts an important light on some of their dark statements.

    That’s because a large subsection of the commentariat driving the abuse of Greta is part of an established network of radical free-marketeer lobby groups — a network that has firm ties to the fossil fuel industry and funders of climate science denial.

    Greta first shot to prominence in Europe, and that’s where the earliest mudslinging emerged.

    Banks’ tweet was one of the most high-profile. He is among the most prominent funders of Brexit, with long-standing ties to the UK Independence Party and its former leader Nigel Farage. UKIP’s politician, Neil Hamilton, was one of the first to be called out for posting what was perceived by many as a bullying tweet directed at Greta, who is 16 years old.

    Farage has now set up a new outfit, the Brexit Party, also bankrolled by Banks. The party has 29 members in the European Parliament, many of them climate science deniers, thanks to winning 30 percent of the vote in May’s elections.

    While resisting calls to form an official alliance, the Brexit Party MEPs join other far-right populist parties in Brussels, including Marine Le Pen’s National Rally (formerly the Front National) and Alternative for Germany (AfD). All are united in their hatred for Greta. Two National Rally MPs recently boycotted her visit to France, and AfD representatives have made coordinated attacks on social media.

    Those aggressions were orchestrated by the European Institute for Climate and Energy (EIKE) — an organization known for co-sponsoring events with U.S. free-market think tank, the Heartland Institute.


    It’s perhaps unsurprising to find that many of the U.S. commentators verbally assaulting Greta also have ties to the Heartland Institute, given the organisation’s Big Oil funding and long-history of promoting climate science denial.

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    The institute’s website published a long blog post by one of its ‘policy experts’, Gregory Wrightstone, who attempted to refute many of Thunberg’s arguments for climate action. “It is time for her to go back to school to learn what she doesn’t know and to unlearn so much of what she has been taught,” he concluded.

    Many other critics of Greta in the U.S. are tied to another of Heartland’s funders, the Koch family, owners of the U.S.’s largest private energy company.

    Marc Morano, communications director of campaign group Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), and a regular speaker at Heartland Institute events, has a long history of spreading misinformation about climate change.

    He was also one of the loudest critics of Greta’s visit to the U.S., appearing on Ezra Levant’s Rebel Media to describe the young activist as “bait” to entrap critics of climate policy. Levant was an intern at the Charles Koch Foundation and later worked for the Koch-funded Fraser Institute.

    Morano’s arguments were echoed on CFACT’s website by Joe Bastardi, a meteorologist who worked for AccuWeather, a private forecasting company that in the 1990s was involved with the Global Climate Coalition (GCC) — a now-defunct fossil fuel industry front group that strongly opposed global greenhouse gas reduction policies.

    CFACT has received significant donations from oil companies including Exxon and Chevron, as well as oil billionaire Richard Scaife.

    One of Greta’s most prominent critics has been Steve Milloy, a self-styled “pioneer” fighting against “faulty scientific data used to advance special, and often hidden, agendas.” Milloy is, among other things, an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI).

    The CEI’s director of energy and environment, Myron Ebell, was part of of President Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency transition team, and is infamous for making regular media appearances spreading oft-debunked misinformation on climate change.

    CEI has raised millions of dollars in donations from the fossil fuel industry, including ExxonMobil, and the Koch family foundations.

    The Koch network’s influence isn’t confined to the U.S. media. One of the most vicious attacks on the teenage climate activist has come from Brendan O’Neill, editor of the Koch-funded website Spiked. He wrote of Greta:

    “This poor young woman increasingly looks and sounds like a cult member. The monotone voice. The look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. The explicit talk of the coming great ‘fire’ that will punish us for our eco-sins. There is something chilling and positively pre-modern about Ms Thunberg.”



    O’Neill’s comments were “proof” that O’Neill and many others who write on Spiked’s platform had “run out of ideas”, according to Guardian columnist Aditya Chakrabortty.

    One such regular contributor is James Delingpole, who now predominantly writes for the alt-right website Breitbart. One of his latest articles describes Greta as the “Patron Saint of the Age of Stupid”.

    Delingpole’s articles frequently cite the UK’s premier climate misinformation outlet, the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF). Like Breitbart, the Conservative Woman website, edited by GWPF-director Kathy Gyngell, also hosts multiple articles assailing Greta. Breitbart was formerly run by Steve Bannon, President Donald Trump’s former chief strategist.

    Which brings us back to Arron Banks.

    Bannon played a key role in the early days of the Brexit campaign spearheaded by Banks and Farage. Bannon was also a director of Cambridge Analytica, the political consultancy embroiled in a scandal over the use of big data during the Brexit referendum and which was involved with Banks and Farage’s Leave.EU group.

    The Brexit Party is at the forefront of efforts to lobby for the UK to leave the European Union with no deal on October 31. That eventuality would possibly open the door for mass deregulation of the UK’s markets, a shredding of the UK’s environmental protections, and a fire sale of national assets for favoured U.S. companies — causes close to the hearts of all the groups behind the individuals attacking Greta.

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    Anyone who is critical towards Greta Thunberg and her Father & Mother (and her helper most likely payed by Soros) "must" all be Trolls! (not!) and assuming they must be is just an lame excuse NOT to consider anything that is said/shared etc.! Nothing new, as most have their reasons to do what they do!

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    My talk with Dr Tim Ball about his work exposing the climate change hoax and corruption.
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    Re: "Anyone who is critical towards Greta Thunberg and her Father & Mother (and her helper most likely payed by Soros) "must" all be Trolls! (not!) and assuming they must be is just an lame excuse NOT to consider anything that is said/shared etc.! Nothing new, as most have their reasons to do what they do!"

    I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings, Exo. I fear that you are putting words into my mouth. (Into my typing?) If you're inferring that from my post, then you're in error.

    I do think it's necessary and important to point out, as I did, that the campaign against Thundberg is heavily funded by the fossil fuel industry; it's not just a battle being fought on behalf of Soros-funded organizations. The Kochs are but one of the cabal seeking to discredit the idea of climate change, and they are very effective at funding people and institutions that are very good at muddying the waters with seemingly accurate information. This information is put into the minds of those on the right who fear Agenda 21, George Soros, et al, in a manner that allows a certain plausibility. The result is that those who fear Soros, for whatever reason, are recruited to do the work of the Kochs (et al) by attacking people like Greta Thundberg. The trolls are those who then go on to make irrational, ad hominem attacks on those targeted by the Kochs. It's the trolls who confabulate connections that do not exist in reality, and threaten physical harm to those who would diasgree with them.

    So no, not all who oppose Greta are trolls; the trolls are the ones who make disrespectful, disparaging, ignorant comments about others, and threaten them with violence.

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    An explanation of how and with whom (Murray Strong) Agenda 21 originated:


    Ding, Dong – The Godfather Of Global Warming Is Dead!
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    "Paris, COP21 Climate Summit – One of the most dangerous men of the Twentieth Century has just died: and the weird thing is, hardly anyone noticed.

    His name was Maurice Strong (picture above, on the right), Canadian billionaire, diplomat and UN apparatchik, and though you may not have heard of him, he probably did more to make your world a more expensive, inconvenient, overregulated, hectored, bullied, lied-to, sclerotic, undemocratic place than anyone post Hitler, Stalin and (his personal friend) Mao.

    He’s the reason, for example, that most of the world’s leaders, 40,000 delegates and their attendant carbon mega-footprint descended here on Paris yesterday in order to talk about magical fairy dust for two weeks and then charge you $1.5 trillion (that’s per year, by the way) for the privilege.

    He’s the reason that “climate change” is now so heavily embedded within our system of global governance that it is now almost literally impossible for any politician or anyone else whose career depends on the state to admit that’s it not a problem and to argue that there are more important issues in the world, like maybe the terrorism that killed over 130 innocent people just the other week now, where was it?- oh yeah, here in Paris where for some bizarre reason all the delegates are talking about carbon emissions instead…

    He was the father of the mother of all climate summits: the one in Rio in 1992 that spawned a million and one bastard offspring, like the one in Paris now.

    He was the main instigator of the blueprint for arguably the most sinister and insidious assault on liberty and free markets: Agenda 21.

    If you had met him – if you’d even noticed him – you would have probably quite liked him:

    One of the most remarkable things about Strong was how unremarkable he was in person. Somebody once said that you wouldn’t pick him out of a crowd of two.

    Nevertheless, he was an avuncular and likeable figure, even to those who disagreed strongly with his world view, as I did. I interviewed him numerous times over a 20-year period, and found that he took scarcely-concealed delight in explaining his often Machiavellian political manoeuvrings.

    But as I argue in Watermelons – which gave a lot of space to Strong – it’s a big mistake to expect that supervillains will always have scars down the side of their face and fluffy white cat on their lap.

    Strong’s true evil lay in the effects of his acts, not in his (claimed) good intentions.

    Then again, the mask did occasionally slip.

    In his 2000 autobiography Where Are We Going? he projected that by 2031 two thirds of the world’s population might have been wiped out. This, he chillingly described as:

    “A glimmer of hope for the future of our species and its potential for regeneration.”

    See: it’s perfectly OK to fantasize about the deaths of maybe 5 billion people – as long as you show at the end that you really care: you’re thinking about the future of humanity.


    Strong sincerely believed all this Malthusian stuff and that was the problem. It became our problem because unfortunately – see that charm, above – he was such a skilled operator, with an endless appetite for labyrinthine bureaucracy and the will to embed it in the system.

    The United Nations, which he joined early in 1947 as a lowly assistant pass officer in the Identification Unit of the Security Section in New York, was his perfect playground.

    It was where, he quickly realized, he could achieve his dream of a world of global governance by a self-appointed elite. And the best way to go about this, he understood, was by manipulating and exploiting international concern about the environment.

    Strong was never shy of admitting what he was about:

    “Our concept of ballot box democracy may need to be modified to produce strong governments capable of making difficult decisions, particularly in terms of safeguarding the global environment.”

    Or, as he put it when he’d wormed his way through the system to the position of Secretary-General of the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development in 1991:

    Current lifestyle and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning and surburban housing – are not sustainable. A shift is necessary which will require a vast strengthening of the multilateral system, including the United Nations.

    This was the purpose of the Rio Earth Summit – and on the non-binding but secretly deadly agreement Strong managed to gull 179 sovereign nations into signing: Agenda 21.


    If you don’t know about Agenda 21, you should. This final quote from Strong will give you an idea how illiberal and undemocratic it is – a blueprint for one-world government by an unelected bureaucracy of technocrats, enabled by diehard progressive activists.

    The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental co-operation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of global environmental security.

    Now perhaps you understand why the people in the world most saddened by Maurice Strong’s death are currently all at Le Bourget on the outskirts of Paris at COP21, plotting the new world order.

    “We thank Maurice Strong for his visionary impetus to our understanding of sustainability. We will miss you,” said Christina Figueres, the head of the UNFCC, which is in charge of the Paris conference.

    The rest of us, once familiar with what Maurice Strong did, may not feel quite so teary-eyed.

    De mortuis nil nisi bonum, they say. But I think we can make an exception for this particular totalitarian control freak."

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    "Lord Monckton explains the ideas involved with making Agenda 21 the UN process that removes the rights and management or the worlds resources and freedoms
    Disguised as a sustainable developement Agenda, it pressures councils and governments to sign over management to centralised unelected faceless UN bureaucrats."
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    "Agenda 21[1] is a non-binding action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[2] It is a product of the Earth Summit (UN Conference on Environment and Development) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992. It is an action agenda for the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world that can be executed at local, national, and global levels.[citation needed]

    The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st century. It has been affirmed and had a few modifications at subsequent UN conferences. Its aim is achieving global sustainable development. One major objective of the Agenda 21 initiative is that every local government should draw its own local Agenda 21. Since 2015, Sustainable Development Goals are included in the Agenda 2030.[citation needed] "

    How did it morph into a plan for global control by the Globalists if it's non-binding?

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    See post #14 for the answer
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    "Agenda 21[1] is a non-binding action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[2] It is a product of the Earth Summit (UN Conference on Environment and Development) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992. It is an action agenda for the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world that can be executed at local, national, and global levels.[citation needed]

    The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st century. It has been affirmed and had a few modifications at subsequent UN conferences. Its aim is achieving global sustainable development. One major objective of the Agenda 21 initiative is that every local government should draw its own local Agenda 21. Since 2015, Sustainable Development Goals are included in the Agenda 2030.[citation needed] "

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    So that's you interviewing Dr. Ball, John?
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