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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Steve Bannon talked at length with Simone Gao two days ago. Bannon is adamant that the situation is very far from being "under control' in China.

    It's a very strong interview, highly recommended. Bannon does NOT mince his words.

    There's not a single thing he says that I disagree with. And, once again, it really isn't impossible that the Chinese regime may fall.

    I'd SO celebrate that. (But then, I'd soon be very worried what might be coming next...)

    OFF TOPIC!!!

    At 40:45, Bannon said "one day, when China is free - it's not because the rest of the world came to free China - it's the Chinese People, Old Hundred Names, finally got a belly full of it and He threw off the bad guy and He's gonna have a vote".

    Baiyue (One Hundred Viet) whose ancestral land is now much of southern China used to address its people as One Hundred Surnames. Interesting that Bannon mentioned it. History tends to repeat.

    BACK TO TOPIC!

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Another prediction. (But a very tentative one.)

    6a) I now think we may be on a timeline, or hovering/flickering near one, in which Trump will not be re-elected this year. That changed for me this morning when I took a really deep (subjective) look.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    Another prediction. (But a very tentative one.)

    6a) I now think we may be on a timeline, or hovering/flickering near one, in which Trump will not be re-elected this year. That changed for me this morning when I took a really deep (subjective) look.
    Not that I have heard anything form NIH in the last 6 weeks that seemed proactive. Muzzling people is a scary sign. Will this be used to make him President for Life?


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    A very good article from the Australian site, Virology Down Under. Published on 23 February, five days ago.

    (British Prime Minister Harold Wilson once famously said: "A week is a long time in politics." It's a long time in epidemiology, too.)
    Past Time to Tell the Public: “It Will Probably Go Pandemic, and We Should All Prepare Now”
    23 Feb, 2020

    We are starting to hear from experts and officials who now believe a COVID-19 pandemic is more and more likely. They want to use the “P word,” and also start talking more about what communities and individuals can and should do to prepare. On February 22, Australian virologist Ian Mackay asked us for our thoughts on this phase of COVID-19 risk communication.

    Here is our response.

    Yes, it is past time to say “pandemic” – and to stop saying “stop”

    It’s a good time to think about how to use the “P word” (pandemic) in talking about COVID-19. Or rather, it is past time.

    It is important to help people understand that while you think – if you do think so – that this is going to be pandemic in terms of becoming very widespread, no one knows yet how much severe disease there will be around the world over short periods of time. “Will it be a mild, or moderate, or severe pandemic? Too soon to say, but at the moment, there are some tentative signs that….”

    The most crucial (and overdue) risk communication task for the next few days is to help people visualize their communities when “keeping it out” – containment – is no longer relevant. The P word is a good way to launch this message.

    But the P word alone won’t help the public understand what’s about to change: the end of most quarantines, travel restrictions, contact tracing, and other measures designed to keep “them” from infecting “us,” and the switch to measures like canceling mass events designed to keep us from infecting each other.

    We are near-certain that the desperate-sounding last-ditch containment messaging of recent days is contributing to a massive global misperception about the near-term future. The theme of WHO’s and many governments’ messages – that the “window of opportunity” to stop spread of the virus is closing – is like the famous cover page of Nevil Shute’s On the Beach: “There is still time … Brother.”

    For weeks we have been trying to get officials to talk early about the main goal of containment: to slow the spread of the virus, not to stop it. And to explain that containment efforts would eventually end. And to help people learn about “after containment.” This risk communication has not happened yet in most places.

    So here is one more pitch for openness about containment. Officials: Please read Containment as Signal, Swine Flu Risk Miscommunication, which we wrote in 2009.

    One horrible effect of this continued “stop the pandemic” daydream masquerading as a policy goal: It is driving counter-productive and outrage-inducing measures by many countries against travelers from other countries, even their own citizens back from other countries. But possibly more horrible: The messaging is driving resources toward “stopping,” and away from the main potential benefit of containment – slowing the spread of the pandemic and thereby buying a little more time to prepare for what’s coming.

    We hope that governments and healthcare institutions are using this time wisely. We know that ordinary citizens are not being asked to do so. In most countries – including our United States and your Australia – ordinary citizens have not been asked to prepare. Instead, they have been led to expect that their governments will keep the virus from their doors.

    Take the risk of scaring people

    Whenever we introduce the word “pandemic,” it’s important to validate that it’s a scary word – both to experts and to non-experts – because it justifiably contains the implication of something potentially really bad, and definitely really disruptive, for an unknown period of time. This implication is true and unavoidable, even if the overall pattern of disease ends up being mild, like the 2009-10 “swine flu” pandemic.

    Validate also that some people may accuse you of fear-mongering. And respond that hiding your strong professional opinion about this pandemic-to-be would be immoral, or not in keeping with your commitment to transparency, or unforgivably unprofessional, or derelict in your duty to warn, or whatever feels truest in your heart.

    It may help to consider the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” fallacy. Feel free to say that “Jody Lanard and Peter Sandman say” that officials or experts – in this case YOU – are “darned if you do and damned if you don’t.” You’re only darned if you warn about something that turns out minor. But you’re damned, and rightly so, if you fail to warn about something that turns out serious.

    It’s simply not true, in principle or in practice, that you are damned if you do and damned if you don’t! Over-alarming risk messages are far more forgivable than over-reassuring ones.

    Push people to prepare, and guide their prep

    This is the most culpable neglected messaging in many countries at this point.

    The main readiness stuff we routinely see from official and expert sources is either “DON’T get ready!” (masks), or “Do what we’ve always told you to do!” (hand hygiene and non-mask respiratory etiquette).

    The general public, and many categories of civil society, are not actively being recruited to do anything different in the face of COVID-19 approaching.

    A fair number of health care workers and communication officers tell us their hospitals and healthcare systems are just barely communicating about COVID-19. They want to be involved in how to prepare for “business not as usual.” We’re guessing that many hospital managements are in fact preparing for COVID-19, but we worry that they’re doing it too quietly, without enough effort to prepare their staff.

    Lots of businesses, especially smaller ones, are doing off-the-cuff pre-pandemic planning. Several trade journals have articles about how specific industries should prepare for a likely pandemic. Around February 10, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention posted interim guidance for businesses. But we have seen almost nothing in mainstream media citing this guidance, or recommending business continuity strategies like urgent cross-training so that core functions won’t be derailed because certain key employees are out sick, for instance.

    Pandemic planning research suggests that employees are likeliest to say they will show up for work during a pandemic if three specs are met – if they think their family is reasonably safe; if they think their employer is being candid with them about the situation; and if they have a pandemic-specific job assignment in addition to or different from their routine “peacetime” assignment.

    Hardly any officials are telling civil society and the general public how to get ready for this pandemic.

    Even officials who say very alarming things about the prospects of a pandemic mostly focus on how their agencies are preparing, not on how the people they misperceive as “audience” should prepare. “Audience” is the wrong frame. We are all stakeholders, and we don’t just want to hear what officials are doing. We want to hear what we can do too.

    We want – and need – to hear advice like this:
    • Try to get a few extra months’ worth of prescription meds, if possible.
    • Think through now how we will take care of sick family members while trying not to get infected.
    • Cross-train key staff at work so one person’s absence won’t derail our organization’s ability to function.
    • Practice touching our faces less. So how about a face-counter app like the step-counters so many of us use?
    • Replace handshakes with elbow-bumps (the “Ebola handshake”).
    • Start building harm-reduction habits like pushing elevator buttons with a knuckle instead of a fingertip.
    There is so much for people to do, and to practice doing in advance.

    Preparedness is emotional too

    Suggesting things people can do to prepare for a possible hard time to come doesn’t just get them better prepared logistically. It also helps get them better prepared emotionally. It helps get them through the Oh My God (OMG) moment everyone needs to have, and needs to get through, preferably without being accused of hysteria.
    It is better to get through this OMG moment now rather than later.

    Offering people a list of preparedness steps to choose among means that those who are worried and feeling helpless can better bear their worry, and those who are beyond worry and deep into denial can better face their worry.

    Yet another benefit: The more people who are making preparedness efforts, the more connected to each other they feel. Pandemic preparedness should be a communitarian experience. When a colleague offers you an elbow bump instead of a handshake, your mind goes to those lists of preparedness recommendations you’ve been seeing, and you feel part of a community that’s getting ready together.

    This OMG realization that we have termed the “adjustment reaction” (see http://www.psandman.com/col/teachable.htm) is a step that is hard to skip on the way to the new normal. Going through it before a crisis is full-blown is more conducive to resilience, coping, and rational response than going through it mid-crisis. Officials make a mistake when they sugarcoat alarming information, postponing the public’s adjustment reaction in the vain hope that they can avoid it altogether.

    Specific pandemic preparedness messages

    Below are links to specific preparedness messaging we drafted for a possible H5N1 pandemic. The links are all from our 2007 website column What to Say When a Pandemic Looks Imminent: Messaging for WHO Phases Four and Five. Each item is in two parts – a draft message (a summary sentence followed by a few paragraphs of elaboration), then a risk communication discussion of why we think it’s an appropriate pre-pandemic message. Because these were written with H5N1 in mind, the pandemic they contemplate is more severe and less likely than the one we contemplate today. So some changes may be called for – but frankly, in our judgment, not many.
    One of the scariest messaging failures in the developed world is not telling people vividly about what the end of containment will look like, for instance the end of contact-tracing and most quarantines.

    The FAQs on the Singapore Ministry of Health webpage (https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/faqs) can serve as a model that other developed countries can adapt to start talking to their publics about this now, to reduce the shock and anger when governments stop trying to contain all identified cases.

    What’s working for us

    We’d like to share with you some of our recent everyday life experiences in talking about pandemic preparedness with people who perceive us as a bit knowledgeable about what may be on the horizon. Some of this overlaps with the more generic comments above.

    1. We’ve found it useful to tell friends and family to try to get ahead on their medical prescriptions if they can, in case of very predictable supply chain disruptions, and so they won’t have to go out to the pharmacy at a time when there may be long lines of sick people. This helps them in a practical sense, but it also makes them visualize – often for the first time – how a pandemic may impact them in their everyday lives, even if they don’t actually catch COVID-19. It simultaneously gives them a small “Oh my God” moment (an emotional rehearsal about the future) – and something to do about it right away to help them get through the adjustment reaction.

    2. We also recommend that people might want to slowly (so no one will accuse them of panic-buying) start to stock up on enough non-perishable food to last their households through several weeks of social distancing at home during an intense wave of transmission in their community. This too seems to get through emotionally, as well as being useful logistically.

    3. Three other recommendations that we feel have gone over well with our friends and acquaintances:
    • Suggesting practical organizational things they and their organizations can do to get ready, such as cross-training to mitigate absenteeism.
    • Suggesting that people make plans for childcare when they are sick, or when their child is sick.
    4. And the example we like the best, because it gives every single person an immediate action that they can take over and over: Right now, today, start practicing not touching your face when you are out and about! You probably won’t be able to do it perfectly, but you can greatly reduce the frequency of potential self-inoculation. You can even institute a buddy system, where friends and colleagues are asked to remind each other when someone scratches her eyelid or rubs his nose. As we noted earlier, someone should develop a face-touching app – instead of a step-counting app to encourage you to walk more, how about an app to encourage you to auto-inoculate less! And track your progress, and compete with your friends, even!

    The last message on our list – to practice and try to form a new habit – has several immediate and longer-term benefits.

    Having something genuinely useful to do can bind anxiety or reduce apathy. You feel less helpless and less passive.

    And you can see yourself improving.

    And you can work on your new habit alone, and also in a pro-social communitarian way. Others can help you do it, and you can help them.

    And it yields real harm reduction! It is arguably the endpoint of what washing your hands is for, and it helps when you can’t wash your hands out in the world.

    Like all good pandemic preparedness recommendations, it helps you rehearse emotionally, as well as logistically.

    The bottom line

    Every single official we know is having multiple “Oh my God” moments, as new COVID-19 developments occur and new findings emerge. OMG – there is a fair amount of transmission by infected people with mild or subclinical cases! OMG – there is a high viral load early on in nasal and pharyngeal samples! OMG – the Diamond Princess, how can that have been allowed to happen! And on and on.

    Officials help each other through those moments. They go home and tell their families and friends, sharing the OMG sensation. And then what do they tell the public? That they understand that “people are concerned” (as if they themselves weren’t alarmed), but “the risk is low and there’s nothing you need to do now.”

    Ian, it sounds like you want to argue on behalf of preparedness. Encouraging all stakeholders to prepare logistically should start now, if not sooner. And you are in a position not just to encourage logistical preparedness, but also to encourage government sources and other experts like yourself to do the same. Perhaps even more important, in our judgment: You can try to encourage emotional preparedness, and try to encourage other official and expert sources to encourage emotional preparedness – guiding people’s OMG adjustment reactions instead of trying to stamp them out.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    On the front line in Wuhan

    Another doctor “on the move” after giving snap interview to another undercover BBC reporter. Read between the lines, I guess, don’t take all you hear and read for granted.
    The truth will eventually get through and out. What we are seeing is surreal in more than one way. This may be the first and only time any of these people- medical personnel especially who are supposed to be fully loyal to the state apparatus- found a way and reason to speak openly and internationally.

    One may question if he’s still a tool of regime propaganda but on the other hand and from my own experience, most people with high iqs and academic qualifications are aware and proud of their oath and service to humanity and if granted free platform they will speak the truth. Clearly also, everyone in there are already risking lives for each other since all have been exposed to the virus so there isn’t much to lose.

    We don’t get to hear from any of these “normal people in China” sharing their opinions, usually which makes them all even more estranged to the rest of the world.

    The beautiful feature about it is: they’re not even inch different than anyone else. Just enstranged and politically under control but not really bent or broken.

    It all may be something else too, for sure. But if you have been through many
    or some critical life events, you know that reality is sometimes, stranger than fiction.

    No, history does not evolve following straight logical vector. Neither it can be understood through single kind of mentality and language environment following straight vector.
    That’s where everyone bumps their nose to a wall eventually before finding the hind stairs to the next floor. So called Chinese, English, Israeli, Japanese or German mentality (fit any singular mentality of human kind) will lead you to a wall eventually before you will find the staircase or break your head against a wall.
    Think your gene swimming pool is big enough to get to a wall ? My, you desperately long to get there even if your papa mama and government never recommended

    It’s a huge eye opener but dangerous one as well.

    There is so much we will never get chance to explore on this “timeline”. Number of viruses already spread among human population contributing to other diseases like cancer and many discrete conditions is far bigger than explored or admitted.

    It’s important to find natural cures but returning to state of purity is more important.


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Bill , regarding re election of Trump. Yesterday for the first time, this hit me as well. I all along thought Trump is a shoe in. But now, not so sure. The Dems are really pushing a political angle to this virus . Politics is dirty and they are raising the bar. Schumer talking big talk as if he or anyone would have any better idea what to do and how to stop this virus. And since nothing has worked , Russia collusion, Ukraine, impeachment, nothing, they are jumping ship and putting all into the virus angle. They will do anything to get rid of this guy. Almost makes me think they engineered this virus ! lol
    Truth doesn't matter. Perception does, and if they keep chanting it , that Trump allowed this to happen etc then they can create doubt , and its up for grabs. And thats a play directly from Trumps playbook. Create doubt and alter public perception, pro wrestling style

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    They will do anything to get rid of this guy. Almost makes me think they engineered this virus ! lol
    Well, if this was a Tom Clancy novel, imagine a high-level scenario to eliminate the threats from
    1. China.
    2. Iran.
    3. Trump.
    And at the same time, to promote
    1. Compulsory vaccinations.
    2. US gun control (in the event of large scale quarantines).
    3. Higher-level personal surveillance and tracking of movements.
    4. Censoring non-mainstream media.
    5. The NWO global police state.

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    Quote Posted by spade (here)
    One of the main ways the Spanish Flu was stopped was simply self-isolation, just stop travelling, stop visiting other people, commerce carefully, avoid congregating.... apparently San Francisco was the only successful town to avoid mass deaths due to this stringent and draconian observance. A lot of you can easily do this, but for some of us in denser cities and urban environments - it's much harder.
    The million dollar question is.. when is your last trip to the supermarket, before you hole up? When the virus has entered your country, your town or your neighborhood?

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    Quote Posted by Antagenet (here)
    The million dollar question is.. when is your last trip to the supermarket, before you hole up? When the virus has entered your country, your town or your neighborhood?
    This is highly speculative, but the good question deserves a little thought.

    One possible answer for at least ONE major supermarket trip for those in the US could be at the end of next week, or the middle of the week after, when real US test results start to come in — and everyone starts to freak out big time. That's when Mr and Mrs Joe and Jane Everyman may start forming lines at Costco... and you may not want to be at the end of that line.
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    They will do anything to get rid of this guy. Almost makes me think they engineered this virus ! lol
    Well, if this was a Tom Clancy novel, imagine a high-level scenario to eliminate the threats from
    1. China.
    2. Iran.
    3. Trump.
    And at the same time, to promote
    1. Compulsory vaccinations.
    2. US gun control (in the event of large scale quarantines).
    3. Higher-level personal surveillance and tracking of movements.
    4. Censoring non-mainstream media.
    5. The NWO global police state.
    All you are missing is the "Alien Invasion" or "Planet X".
    That would put the world on notice.

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    I have to confess, I haven't read the whole thing myself as yet, and didn't realize it's 41 pages long, but even if you don't read the whole thing, it's worth taking a look at.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)

    (I urge everyone to read the article J.R. is recommending at https://www.vigiliae.org/virus-link-to-5g/ It is very long, with lots of hyperlinks, but necessary reading. )
    This has now been placed in the library for digestion, for anyone interested. As onawah has pointed out, above, it is very long (goes to 41 pages as a consequence of its layout ) and covers quite a bit of ground.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...)_Jan_2020.pdf
    Each breath a gift...
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    I watched this video from Dr John Bergman today. I haven't watched him before. I find it good that he also mentions the potential socio-political implications of whats happening:


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I've been keeping a tab on the media's response to COVID-19 here in the States. One thing I've noticed over the past couple days is their perpetual marginalization of the threat of the virus spreading to the States has been swiftly replaced with one of the virus becoming "background noise" among the usually suspects that sweep through the country each year during influenza season.

    It's very strange, because outside of a few sources, the media likes to take an opposing point of view to anything Donald Trump states. For example, when he tightened restrictions on travel due to the virus spreading quickly, it was portrayed as a draconian effort. Now that he's allocated funding for the virus and put Mike Pence as point man, the message has gone to "oh, gee, it's going to spread everywhere anyway, but no big deal, it's just a stuffy nose and cough..."

    This is all quite troubling, because most folks here in the States, or anywhere for that matter, get their info from the typical three-letter soapboxes whether online or via TV. So with this constant ping-ponging of opinions, it leaves them confused and frustrated, and when someone is confused and frustrated, they're likely to respond with unjust fear instead of sensible/productive action.

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    I have been assisting in the ordering of a machine from a Chinese factory in Luohe, a city about two hundred miles north of Wuhan. The factory sales rep was emailed five days ago when they were supposed to return to work after the Chinese New Year. This factory rep has always answered emails within two days in the past and has been very helpful.

    So far there has been no communication from this sales rep or other factory person. We have no idea now whether we will be able to get the machine which was paid for and was supposed to be ready to ship by now. I am sure that there are a lot of other people and companies having the same problem.

    So I think whatever is happening in China (coupled with articles on ZeroHedge and other sources), it appears to be quite serious.

    I will update this post as the situation develops.
    UPDATE: We finally got an email from the sales rep we have been dealing with at the Chinese machinery factory:
    "Sorry to reply you late.

    Because the China special time, we extend our holiday, plant to back office on 10th this month. When we start work, we will arrange the goods as soon as possible.

    Sorry the special time cause inconvenience for you.
    "
    I wonder if they are required by the government to use the euphemism "special time" to refer to whatever is going on in China.
    UPDATE: We received another email from the sales rep from the Chinese factory:
    "Thank you, we believe that the special time will be over soon.

    Our factory will start to work on 18th this month, then we will arrange the machine and parts as soon as quickly."
    We were told right before the Chinese New Year holiday in mid-January that the factory would get started with our order on February 1st. This email today reveals that the euphemism "special time" was not in reference to the Chinese New Year but to the current viral outbreak in China.
    Update: We have been informed by the sales rep for the factory that is custom building our machine that they have finished it except for an electrical plug that we can get in the US at Home Depot (for example). The factory is not in the Hubei province; it is about 200 miles north of Wuhan.

    We were told five days ago that they don't have that particular plug and that the factory that makes those plugs has not gone back to work yet.

    The next question is will it be shipped soon and do we need to disinfect the machine when we receive it? It has to go through US Customs when entering the US, so I'm wondering if Customs will be disinfecting everything coming into the US.
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    World-famous Celebrity makes shocking statement about the Flu And the Coronavirus
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    February 28, 2020
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...about-the-flu/

    "After a prominent celebrity went public with the following statement on national television, I tried to contact him for a follow-up. No luck so far. He does seem to urge people to take the flu shot, but his other remarks are potentially explosive, if you fill in a few blanks and glean the implications. Here is his statement:

    “I want you to understand something that shocked me when I saw it. I spoke with Dr. Fauci on this and I was really amazed, and I think most people are amazed to hear it. The [ordinary] flu in our country kills from 25,000 people to 69,000 people a year. That was shocking to me. So far, if you look at what we [in the US] have with the 15 people [diagnosed with the coronavirus] and they’re recovering, one is pretty sick, but hopefully we’ll [he’ll] recover. But the others are in great shape. But think of that. 25,000 to 69,000 [ordinary flu deaths annually]. Over the last 10 years, we’ve lost 360,000. These are people that have died from the flu, from what we call the flu…”

    He seems to be pointing a big fat accusatory finger at US public health agencies, like the CDC, as he says, Look, all these deaths from ordinary flu every single year, like clockwork, and you don’t declare THAT an epidemic or an emergency, so why are you issuing stern warnings when 15 people in the US have been diagnosed with the coronavirus; imagine the reaction if we had 35,000 deaths year after year from the coronavirus in the US; you would go nuts; what’s wrong with you people?

    You can see why I wanted to follow up with him. All sorts of issues to explore and discuss.

    Of course, as I’ve shown in these pages many times, he’s dead wrong about how many people can be confirmed as annual flu deaths in the US. That number is really miniscule. Nevertheless, his point stands: if national public health agencies CLAIM that 35,000 people a year die of ordinary flu, why don’t they call that an epidemic? And why do they call 15 “coronavirus cases” in the US an emergency?

    I wanted to sort all this out with him, but it looks like I won’t be able to.

    His name is Donald Trump, and he made his comments Wednesday night during his address to the nation.

    The press made very little mention of this, except to disparage him for daring to compare ordinary pedestrian flu to the white-hot coronavirus situation. What is ordinary about the claim that 360,000 Americans per decade die of the flu? That’s a puzzle, isn’t it? I just called my doctor. He told me to take two Thorazine, go to bed, and think about it again in the morning."

    Each breath a gift...
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    COVID - 19 Friday update 28 Feb


    COVID – 19 News, Friday 28th Feb 2020 50 countries WHO More new cases in the rest of the world than in China Decisive moment, can still be maintained, not a pandemic Virus has pandemic potential Calling on countries to be prepared With the right measures this virus can be contained South Korea 427 diagnosed on Friday 2, 337 confirmed cases Widespread community spread 13 deaths 29 days since Jan 20th Money made available 50 countries restricting entry Drive through testing, test results in 2 days Japan 226 cases All schools closed from next week Iran Vice president and 4 MPs Deputy health minister infected 270 confirmed cases 28 deaths 8 deaths due to coronavirus in just one shift in Kamkar Hospital in Tehran ? Use of steroids Schools and universities closed Events cancelled Friday prayers cancelled in 23 cities Religious authorities encourage people to visit shrines in Qom, (healing powers) More reports about infection in prisons located in Karaj and Tehran. NZ One case from Iran Italy 655 confirmed cases 5 deaths on Thursday ? Super spreader found, Italian who had not been to China. Feeling ill since 14 Feb, diagnosed 20 Feb. Sent home from hospital with flu meds. Pope being tested Unknown cases seeding other areas and countries Israel Traveller from Italy, one confirmed infected US 60 confirmed cases Cases with no epidemiological link to China Tenerife Jet 2 Airline refusing to fly people home unless they test negative (Spain 25) Saudi Banned all religious pilgrims Banned people from infected countries HK Dog tested ‘weak positive’, dog not sick, dogs not infectious China 327 new cases on Thursday 44 deaths on Thursday Henan province, (96 million) 1, 200 confirmed cases 150 active cases now 0 new cases for 3 days Community is still closed Supermarket in community Not allowed to leave the community without an emergency Infection risk is now low Schools and universities may open in one month.


    Here in the Netherlands someone that works in the hospital is tested positive: Our government: - We don't need to check her co-workers because they don't have symptoms. - It cannot be transmitted through surfaces - Masks are useless So there aren't any right measures.
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    This series of talks with Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity are good regarding the potential/probable economic consequences of what's happening. There will be a "what to do to prepare" video coming as well:




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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    update: And how far will TPTB go to make vaccinations mandatory, the perfect weapon to kill off as many people as possible as quickly as possible?
    Vaccination and cytokine storm
    https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1467299#i1

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Yesterday there was a good interview with Dr John Campbell on Dr Paul Cottrell's channel. The Paul Cottrell channel is apparently one of the main channels people are watching for info on the virus as well as Peak Prosperity, Dr John Campbell and the channel Bill Ryan mentioned Box...something (sorry forgotten the name).


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    I watched this video from Dr John Bergman today. I haven't watched him before. I find it good that he also mentions the potential socio-political implications of whats happening:


    BUMP. I admire Dr. Bergman so much and this is a wonderful balanced approach as to why and what is happening here. Well worth the 13 minutes to listen to this. Highly recommended.

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