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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    The conclusion slide of the presentation paints a very dire picture of the Covid-19.


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Canadian Scientist At Center Of Chinese Bio-Espionage Probe Found Dead In Africa?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...nd-dead-africa

    ... Joseph P. Farrell's theories about this story

    ANOTHER BIO SCIENTIST DIES…
    https://gizadeathstar.com/2020/02/an...cientist-dies/

    and a link to a Corona virus COVID-19 Global Cases 'Operation Dashboard' which is one day behind but it does give a good overview
    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Linda Howe covers the current situation quite well in the first 10 minutes of her livestream this week (Weds 12 Feb).

    Bewilderingly, she's very much in the mainstream camp re medical solutions (and "global warming"! ), but her summary here is a good one. The clips she included of Chinese citizens being dragged away screaming to forced quarantine are very disturbing: straight out of a dystopian movie, but evidently all too real.


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    The clips she included of Chinese citizens being dragged away screaming to forced quarantine are very disturbing: straight out of a dystopian movie, but evidently all too real.
    I check in with this channel's videos. Often there are no subtitles but today there are. The situation in China is so difficult to comprehend EXCEPT in the context of a truly real epidemic?

    I listen to Robert scott Bell usually and he is with Jon Rappaport that there is just no "such thing".

    If there was a release of a bio warfare/vaccine type virus, some say it was accidental and a blowback for that kind of research. Some people have said an intentional plan was/is to stop the Hong Kong (and other) uprising? I have read it is to "black swan" the global economy? I have read it is to cull their own population of dissenting voices? However, those theories sound like blowing up one's house to get rid of rats and roaches?

    The footage of people being manhandled (and the channel has several others with the most heart wrenching scenes) is frightening and people are mad as hell....



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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The clips she included of Chinese citizens being dragged away screaming to forced quarantine are very disturbing: straight out of a dystopian movie, but evidently all too real.
    I check in with this channel's videos. Often there are no subtitles but today there are. The situation in China is so difficult to comprehend EXCEPT in the context of a truly real epidemic?

    I listen to Robert scott Bell usually and he is with Jon Rappapot that there is just no "such thing".

    If there was a release of a bip warfare/vaccine type virus, some say it was accidental and a blowback for that kind of research. Some people have said an intentional plan was/is to stop the Hong Kong (and other) uprising? I have read it is to "black swan" the global economy? I have read it is to cull their own population of dissenting voices? However, those theories sound like blowing up one's house to get rid of rats and roaches?

    The footage of people being manhandled (and the channel has several others with the most heart wrenching scenes) is frightening and people are mad as hell....

    What ever the reasons are, whether a natural or contrived occurrence, the controllers are taking note of the potential in a situation like this and will most definitely use it to advance their cause, which is to increase and fortify control of the masses. I see potentiality to enforce mass vaccination programs and to increase control and ease of creating martial law situations, possibly expanding what the parameters of martial law are. That is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

    From what I can see, if the pandemic spreads to the US it will take most people by surprise and they will be unprepared. Of course they will look to our bumbling, ineffective government for a quick fix and of course the solution will be greater control and most people will be grateful for it.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    This is interesting, and may be important.

    https://scmp.com/news/china/diplomac...navirus-corner

    How China-US mistrust pushed the WHO into a coronavirus corner
    • The health body suggested more than a dozen American names for an international team to help assess the outbreak
    • But there is still no official word on whether any US representatives will be part of the team
    Mistrust between Beijing and Washington has tainted US offers of help to contain a deadly coronavirus outbreak, forcing the World Health Organisation (WHO) into a political corner, analysts said.

    US officials said they first offered to send American specialists to China as part of a WHO mission in early January but despite Chinese President Xi Jinping’s calls to deepen international cooperation in the public health crisis, that offer had yet to be accepted.

    US officials said on Thursday that no American had been invited to China to take part, despite Americans accounting for 13 of the 25 names that the WHO submitted to China for the mission.

    On Friday, WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the final WHO team comprised of 12 international experts and 12 from China, and would begin its investigation into the spread of the outbreak and its severity this weekend.

    Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO health emergencies programme, said he believed the mission would include health officials from the US, without elaborating.

    Observers say growing strategic distrust between China and the US had influenced Beijing’s reaction to US offers of aid, with the Chinese foreign ministry earlier slamming the US for not providing “substantive assistance” and for having “inappropriately overreacted” with strict travel restrictions.

    “The perception that the US could be a substantive aid giver to China in this outbreak, I think that’s the issue for Beijing – the need for it to not portray the image of weakness and needing of help, especially to the Americans,” Adam Ni, co-editor of the China analysis newsletter China Neican, said.

    The coronavirus illness, now known as Covid-19, spread initially from the central Chinese city of Wuhan in December and has been detected in two dozen countries.

    According to official figures released on Saturday, there have been more than 66,000 confirmed infections and 1,523 deaths in mainland China, with more than 500 other confirmed cases across the globe.

    Beijing has taken unprecedented measures to try to contain the outbreak, including locking down entire cities and restricting travel for tens of millions. But it has also faced domestic and international backlash over shortages of medical staff and supplies as well as accusations of government missteps and cover-ups.

    Wang Zhengxu, a professor of Chinese politics at Fudan University in Shanghai, said Beijing did not see the US government as being sincere in offering support to China, and likely felt the US government’s proposal to send medical experts in was either too small to be meaningful or not as significant as a “more clear effort of international solidarity”.

    “The US government has been doing a lot of talking – of supporting China – but in actuality, its overall intention or strategy appears to be taking this opportunity to put more stress on China,” Wang said. “There has been quite a bit of undercutting China's anti-epidemic efforts.”

    But Ni said it was useful for Beijing to target the United States at a time when it was facing both domestic and international criticism over its handling of the coronavirus outbreak.

    However, that left the WHO, which has praised China’s response to the epidemic, in a bind.

    “The WHO is in some ways caught in the middle,” he said. “On the one hand it has to take international public health seriously and on the other hand, it has to do so in a way that appeases Beijing because I think it’s not going to be able to function effectively without Beijing’s cooperation in this outbreak.”

    Yanzhong Huang, senior fellow for global health at the Washington-based think tank Council on Foreign Relations, said WHO chief Tedros was also in a dilemma, between cautioning the international community not to overreact to the outbreak while endorsing “very drastic, sometimes draconian efforts” to contain the virus in China.

    “That almost sort of justifies other countries taking restrictive measures, for example cancelling flights,” Huang said. “You want to make sure the response is reasonable, not too invasive or intrusive, but in the meantime, we see these quarantine measures, lockdowns [in China] that are sort of invasive of people’s normal lives, so there is sort of a disconnect between the two.”

    Huang said that Beijing’s refusal to accept US experts was emblematic of the lack of trust between the two countries, and had politicised the US offer.

    “When its politicised, essentially they follow the logic of realpolitik, not the logic of coming to the need of fighting disease,” he said.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Thanks much Bill , were in a strange climate today. as I have said in my posts many times, no one believes anything anymore. so i share info with friends and they are like, well, its fake , or well, its easily faked or its a scam. crazy Bill , we are in peril if we can't believe or see the truth when it passes us.

    i simply err on the side of caution a cost benefit assessment. what does it take to protect yourself? 50-100 dollars in meds food ,supplies and some altered behavior . what is the cost without taking measures and protection if its real? your life .

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    “That almost sort of justifies other countries taking restrictive measures, for example cancelling flights,” Huang said. “You want to make sure the response is reasonable, not too invasive or intrusive, but in the meantime, we see these quarantine measures, lockdowns [in China] that are sort of invasive of people’s normal lives, so there is sort of a disconnect between the two.”

    Huang said that Beijing’s refusal to accept US experts was emblematic of the lack of trust between the two countries, and had politicised the US offer.

    “When its politicised, essentially they follow the logic of realpolitik, not the logic of coming to the need of fighting disease,” he said.
    I went to the article and read the comments. Here is one

    Quote This is unrelated to any mistrust issue or avoid being seen as asking US for help. China was more than happy to take Gilead's experimental drug and then patent the use for it for coronavirus. This unwavering refusal is very specific to not allowing the CDC to confirm what they already knew about this virus from Wuhan.
    This article may be from a pro CCP stance?
    the WHO has been described as generally pro CCP by some people I have read? But whatever, they were slow to respond?
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    Just adding this here FYI. There is some valuable info and he has a unique and strong POV. Yes, it is long.....


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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Just adding this here FYI. There is some valuable info and he has a unique and strong POV. Yes, it is long.....

    This is great. He's the guy who invented email, back in 1978.

    Then I did the math, and thought: Jeez, how old is this guy? He definitely doesn't look like he's beyond his 50s.

    So I looked him up, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai.

    He invented email as a 14 year old High School kid.

    Kudos. Listen carefully.... this man is very, very bright.

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    I would like to clear up a slight confusion that may exist about the ongoing Coronavirus outbreak. We have been discussing the disease and the virus that caused it interchangeably. Technically speaking, Covid-19 is the official name of the disease caused by the virus: Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2. Here is an article that explains this.

    Coronavirus Has a Name: The Deadly Disease Is Covid-19

    The virus that causes it is SARS-CoV-2. (We didn't say they were good names.)


    The naming of viruses is a serious matter. How people describe a disease and the people who have it can create or perpetuate dangerous stigmas.PHOTOGRAPH: JEFF PACHOUD/GETTY IMAGES

    Integrated Systems Europe is the biggest audio-video trade show in the world, and this year’s iteration, happening right now in Amsterdam, was going pretty well for Norm Carson. He’s president of a specialty AV gear company in Tempe, Arizona—it makes a nice HDMI cable with lots of adaptor jacks at one end—and the conference seemed fine, if perhaps more sparsely attended than usual. And then, around midday Tuesday, Carson’s phone lit up. Call after call was streaming into his company’s headquarters. Because Carson’s company is called Covid, and as of Tuesday, so is the disease caused by that new coronavirus.

    Per the World Health Organization, the unwieldy, serial-number-like moniker 2019-nCoV is no more. The disease that has infected more than 40,000 people around the world and killed more than 1,000 is now officially called Covid-19—CoronaVirus Disease, 2019. And per the Coronavirus Study Group of the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (in a preprint, so not peer reviewed, but likely to be cleared), the microbe itself is now called Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2.
    . . .

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    Is The 2019-nCoV Bio-weapon 'The Black Swan Event' To Destroy Globalism?



    Exiled Chinese Billionaire Claims 1.5 Million Infected With Coronavirus, 50,000 Dead

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    i just came across this article. It was edited by Robert Morningstar.
    who knows its's veracity but the whole world is beeing fooled if true.
    if true, then we are all f***** d

    ----------------------------------
    Here is a highlight:

    understand that what I just said is difficult to believe, because you have been told that there have been only about 50,000 infections, and far fewer deaths.

    But these are the influenza infections that have been falsely passed off as the non-existent “coronavirus.” The Agent is far, far more contagious than that, and its fatality rate, unlike the “coronavirus”, is not 2%.

    No, its fatality rate is 100%. Nobody recovers from it. Everybody who contracts it dies.

    And a lot of people are contracting it.

    (Another excerpt)

    you really think that our Prime Minister would risk his life by going to Wuhan?

    All of this means that our government has become utterly paralysed and the functions of the state have been taken over by the military.

    It became clear to me that our efforts were pointless. Yes, the lockdowns, travel bans and targeted assassinations of rebellious journalists allowed us to hide the true situation in Wuhan; but I knew that this would not last.

    Once the mass deaths begin in the rest of the world — in our estimation, this should happen within the next week or so — everyone will know the truth. It will become clear that we cannot protect ourselves from the Agent.

    Surgical masks, hand sanitiser, gloves — nothing can stop it. Nothing except the special hazmat masks, but those cannot be produced in anything like sufficient quantities. You, an ordinary person, will never even receive one, let alone a sufficient number to see you through the coming holocaust.

    For those of you reading this, therefore, all I can suggest is that you keep your loved ones close to you. Hug them, tell them what they mean to you. Enjoy the time you have left with them. It is not typical in Chinese culture to express one’s feelings in this way, but I have learnt the importance of such gestures.

    I promised my wife that I would show this document to her before I posted it.

    Yet I broke my word.

    I hear her weep in loud, hoarse sobs in the bedroom, and the keyboard of my laptop is wet with my own tears. Not long ago, we received results of the regular tests that are part of our “priority medical treatment”, and we learnt that my son had been infected with the Agent.

    -----

    here is the article

    https://ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2...navirus-crisis

    FEBRUARY 13, 2020 ~ ROBERT MORNINGSTAR

    CORONA UNMASKED

    Chinese Intelligence Officer Reveals True Magnitude of China’s Fake “Coronavirus” Crisis


    By u/Wuhanvirusthrowaway

    Edited by 明亮晨星

    *******
    I am a senior Chinese military intelligence officer and I know the truth about the “coronavirus” outbreak. It is far worse than the media are telling you.

    I am a Chinese citizen in Wuhan who occupies — or perhaps occupied — a high-ranking position in military intelligence. I am also a member of the Chinese Communist Party. As a senior official near the top of the Party, I have access to a great deal of classified information and I have been involved in many top secret government projects. I have a doctorate from a leading university in a western country, which is why I am able to write my account in English

    I have information that I believe could lead to the overthrow of my government. It is also relevant to billions of people outside of China, all of whom are now in existential peril.

    surprise you to hear that if my identity were to be revealed, my life would be in grave danger, as would those of my wife and son. I ask you to respect the fact that I have stripped out of this account all facts that would make it easy to identify me.|

    By now you will be familiar with the recent outbreak of 2019-nCoV, also known as NCP, or simply “coronavirus”. You will have heard that it originated in Wuhan, an industrial city in China, and that it came from an animal — most likely a bat or a pangolin — that was sold in a wild animal market. You will have been told that it is an influenza-like illness that can in severe cases cause pneumonia, respiratory failure and death.

    Finally, you may have heard that although the disease is highly infectious, it is dangerous only to the elderly or to those who have a compromised immune system. The official lethality rate is approximately 2% or so.

    All of that is a bunch of lies concocted by the Chinese state with the tacit support of the U.S. deep state and its friends in the European Union, Russia and Australia, and spread by the docile media in all of those countries.

    Let me start by telling you that the world does not operate the way you think it does. Although countries like the US and China vie for global dominance, that competition is restricted to certain limited areas.

    In most ways, the two countries are more interested in cooperation so that they can stop other competing countries from gaining more power. They also have a shared interest in keeping real power out of the hands of their “ordinary” citizens. To this end, they have many different mechanisms by which they control the overwhelming majority of their media outlets. The Americans in particular have perfected the art of creating made-up “divisions” between their two main parties which are designed to hide the fact that both serve the same masters.

    (to see full article click on link above)
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    [B]Is The 2019-nCoV Bio-weapon 'The Black Swan Event' To Destroy Globalism?
    Difficult to speculate but it has the very real potential to at least awake the masses to the decennia long criminal activities of the vaccination industry and cause their bankruptcy. It is necessary to keep that outcome firmly in our creative minds !

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    [A great deal of implausible silliness from Robert Morningstar, who should know better.]
    Nope. That totally fails all my Spidey Sense tests. And logical ones, too.

    So easy for anyone at all to post something like that anonymously. Give me a break.

    And a highly educated Chinese senior military intelligence officer close to the CCP would never say "a bunch of lies." Their language would be a great deal more dignified and formal.

    This is a prankster, a very sick one.

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    Exclamation Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Del Bigtree On Coronavirus And The Coming MANDATORY Vaccination Program:



    Vaccines for the coronavirus are currently being developed by companies that are being funded by eugenicist Bill Gates in an effort to “control” the outbreak. But who are these companies and are their products tried, tested and true to be safe?

    In this video Dan Dicks of Press For Truth speaks with vaccines expert Del Bigtree about the science of the coronavirus and the vaccine manufacturing programs that are being introduced at the same time that laws are being passed that would force individuals to have to get vaccinated!

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    This is only a short video, under 5 mins. But like many others, it shows apparently very real scenes of apparently very real brutality — all filmed with a cellphone at close range.

    The police, or other authorities, must have been aware. I've asked this question earlier on the thread: how is this explained?

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I looked him up, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai.

    He invented email as a 14 year old High School kid.

    Kudos. Listen carefully.... this man is very, very bright.
    Thanks Bill.

    This Dr. Shiva is a very smart and brilliant knowledgeable guy.
    Incredible in his scope of endeavor in many areas.
    I'll keep an eye out for him in MA politics.

    Great to know he exists.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    While human right is a legit concept and human rights abuse is practised by all countries in all human history, the use of "abusing human right" as a crime a country can point to another as a pretext to interfere and invade is a new phenomenom. It is used so often, so pervasive and so naturally as if some rogue nations have no human rights at all and all is well in the "free part" of the world. We of the alternative community know that this is absoultely false. This can be called the weaponization of "human rights".

    The pervasiveness is so great that there is tendency to view everything in its terms. Imagine in the video the woman was suspected of having the virus and she tried to run away. Imagine that the men wanted to put her to quarantine and it was their duty to do so. They all believed this was the right thing because she might infect others. It was the woman who was guilty and not them. Why would they be camera shy? In a greater perspective, there was no human right issue of the use of force because the the public has the human right of survial too.

    Sadly calamity always brings tragedy, and in the world of survival human rights is very small. If the source of the virus is bioweaponry, we should concentrate on digging out the big culprit and less on the criticising the ordinary "villains" in videos. What is worse, is to see in these videos as the proof that China is a rogue or authoritarian/bad nation.

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