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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    So, the Chinese brought in a mandatory vaccination law in December 2019...

    Quote According to the Law, China is to implement a state immunization program, and residents living within the territory of China are legally obligated to be vaccinated with immunization program vaccines, which are provided by the government free of charge. Local governments and parents or other guardians of children must ensure that children be vaccinated with the immunization program vaccines (art. 6).
    https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news...ne-law-passed/

    There seems to be some evidence that an experimental vaccine for Sars could be the cause of the apparent hyper-sensitivity of the Wuhan/Chinese populations to 2019-N CoV....

    Quote “The researchers created vaccines based on SARS-CoV S and SARS-CoV N by taking the genes coding for those proteins and inserting them into another type of virus particle that acted as a delivery vehicle. They injected mice with these vaccines and then tested whether the mice generated an immune response against the specific SARS proteins, which they did. The next step was to work out whether mice injected with the vaccines would be protected against later infection with SARS-CoV. The researchers found that mice injected with vaccine based on SARS-CoV S were protected against later infection with a standard SARS-CoV strain, both in the short term (eight weeks after vaccination) and the long term (54 weeks after vaccination). However, the vaccine based on SARS-CoV N did not seem to result in protection, and, worryingly, caused pathological changes in the lungs of mice following virus challenge.”
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22536382

    Quote "2019-nCoV antibodies against the N protein would likely recognize and bind the SARS-CoV N protein as well. N antibodies do not provide immunity to 2019-nCoV infection, but the cross reactivity with SARS-CoV N protein would allow a serum based assay to determine exposure to the novel CoV in asymptomatic cases."
    https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/12/2/135/htm

    So they discovered that re-infecting the vaccinated mice 54 weeks later caused pathological changes in the lungs......hmmmmmmm.

    Could this explain why we have only seen 4 out of the total 1800 deaths so far, occur outside China?

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)



    This is heartrending and scary unless people sleep like that and are just homeless....


    JUST THE HOMELESS ! (poor souls) My home city in UK looks like that at 7.30am when I'm on way in to work !
    ( BTW - at 27 secs in to video one of the "Bodies" moves his feet ! )
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by pueblo (here)
    So, the Chinese brought in a mandatory vaccination law in December 2019...

    Quote According to the Law, China is to implement a state immunization program, and residents living within the territory of China are legally obligated to be vaccinated with immunization program vaccines, which are provided by the government free of charge. Local governments and parents or other guardians of children must ensure that children be vaccinated with the immunization program vaccines (art. 6).
    https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news...ne-law-passed/

    There seems to be some evidence that an experimental vaccine for Sars could be the cause of the apparent hyper-sensitivity of the Wuhan/Chinese populations to 2019-N CoV....

    Quote “The researchers created vaccines based on SARS-CoV S and SARS-CoV N by taking the genes coding for those proteins and inserting them into another type of virus particle that acted as a delivery vehicle. They injected mice with these vaccines and then tested whether the mice generated an immune response against the specific SARS proteins, which they did. The next step was to work out whether mice injected with the vaccines would be protected against later infection with SARS-CoV. The researchers found that mice injected with vaccine based on SARS-CoV S were protected against later infection with a standard SARS-CoV strain, both in the short term (eight weeks after vaccination) and the long term (54 weeks after vaccination). However, the vaccine based on SARS-CoV N did not seem to result in protection, and, worryingly, caused pathological changes in the lungs of mice following virus challenge.”
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22536382

    Quote "2019-nCoV antibodies against the N protein would likely recognize and bind the SARS-CoV N protein as well. N antibodies do not provide immunity to 2019-nCoV infection, but the cross reactivity with SARS-CoV N protein would allow a serum based assay to determine exposure to the novel CoV in asymptomatic cases."
    https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/12/2/135/htm

    So they discovered that re-infecting the vaccinated mice 54 weeks later caused pathological changes in the lungs......hmmmmmmm.

    Could this explain why we have only seen 4 out of the total 1800 deaths so far, occur outside China?
    A really good post this and thank you.

    I am periodically very selectively adding content to the library and have now placed these three important documents in here:

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    They should be easy enough to find.

    I'm dithering a little as to whether to change the folder name to reflect Covid-19 nomenclature but in the grand scheme of things this is not ever so important right now.
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    I saw this today, and read it. If it is true, it is horrifying for those there. And wherever it possibly spreads to..

    I don't know how bad it truly is, but it doesn't look good, if there is any validity to the article.... You must scroll down. But the entire article is there.

    It is from a supposed whistleblower from inside the Chinese government, who claims he knows all about what this is, and how it happened... I am not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is worth a read... so I thought I would share it.. and see what you guys think. Seems sensationalized, but you never know?

    If already posted, please let me know, or ask a moderator to delete this post entirely as I have yet to read the whole thread, as there are so many pages!...

    https://ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2...navirus-crisis
    Many thanks, yes — this was posted a little earlier, and I replied. It's nonsense, and Robert Morningstar (a respected and seasoned UFO researcher) should know better. No "Chinese intelligence officer" would ever write like that.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    A few predictions and speculations from myself. (For what they're worth — maybe very little! )

    1) The markets have been climbing. Of course, that's because they're being propped up artificially to avoid panic. And big institutions, seeing this, are jumping on that bandwagon to invest, knowing they're rising.

    But at some point soon, this is going to fall out of the sky. Then everyone, already watching very carefully, will sell all at once and take their short-term profits. Then there'll be very sharp, large drops which may be unstoppable.

    2) The WHO will declare this a pandemic as soon as (1) the first non-Egypt African cases are reported, and also (2) the first South American cases. Then all formal definitions are met. They'll have no choice.

    3) At that point, the mainstream will make that a very major headline. (For almost the first time!) The WHO pandemic announcement and the market drops will all happen at pretty much the same time.

    4) Then, we'll see a bunch of feature TV programs, and major articles (Time, Newsweek, Fortune, etc), all looking into the medium-term future. Everyone will start talking about this.

    5) This is more speculative, but I do think the Chinese regime may fall. If so: no bad thing, at ALL.

    6) But the big impact will be the closure of the 'world's factory' on 1001 (or 100001) items we all take for granted as always readily available — including electronics, cars, household appliances, and almost everything made of plastic.

    7) And even more speculative: IF the Chinese regime really does have its back against the wall, and IF they suspect (or know) this is a biowarfare attack against them (which it may or may not be) — then, see this chilling Jeff Nyquist interview in post #756. — there may be a major global firefight coming.

    It'd argue this is extremely unlikely... but may not be totally impossible. If China really was going under, and the US had intended and engineered that, then China would just launch every weapon it had to make sure they're not going down alone. (Watch Joseph Farrell: I suspect he may agree that this could be theoretically possible.)

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    1) The markets have been climbing. Of course, that's because they're being propped up artificially to avoid panic. And big institutions, seeing this, are jumping on that bandwagon to invest, knowing they're rising.
    Correct, but the cracks are starting to show!

    The world's 3rd largest economy (Japan) shrank 6.3% between Oct - Dec 2019

    Quote Japan recession fears grow as GDP shrinks at 6.3% rate with COVID-19 hit to come
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.Xkv4pC2cZQI

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    It'd argue this is extremely unlikely... but may not be totally impossible. If China really was going under, and the US had intended and engineered that, then China would just launch every weapon it had to make sure they're not going down alone. (Watch Joseph Farrell: I suspect he may agree that this could be theoretically possible.)
    This is unlikely if the whole top tier regime catches it as well... they'd be too weak to launch those weapons. Heard on the ground people have already nicknamed the virus Xi's Disease.
    Last edited by spade; 18th February 2020 at 15:25.

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    I’m not too troubled by the actual threat the virus poses - do read my post on the Anglo Saxon Mission thread - however, the geopolitical ramifications of this are immense for both the East and the West.

    I import commercial and residential furniture from China, and right now, the factories I work with aren’t even open. I don’t trust the date they’ve provided me as to when they’ll reopen, well, for obvious reasons...

    I’m shifting to Vietnam for production going forward, not just because of the virus, but because of 25% tariffs, and I’m sure others are in the same situation as me. Many, many others.

    This coupled with the fact the Chinese government is on shaky ground with their citizens’ trust from recent events - I think the true cost of this virus may be the fact it destabilizes a world power. Long games only work if you have enough pieces to play, and I do wonder how China’s economy will fair after this whole thing settles down. If the import business starts to slow, this could truly cripple China’s robust prowess and reach economically - at least for a while.

    Resources are great, but it’s the processing of said resources that yields power to the geography where that is occurring. Just ask Russia

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    In the meantime... a healthy 8 hours of sleep per night, sufficient blood levels of Vitamin D (20 nanograms/milliliter to 50 ng/mL), and proper management of distress will do wonders for the immune system

    And the occasional dip in icy cold water!!

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    I’m not too troubled by the actual threat the virus poses - do read my post on the Anglo Saxon Mission thread - however, the geopolitical ramifications of this are immense for both the East and the West.

    I import commercial and residential furniture from China, and right now, the factories I work with aren’t even open. I don’t trust the date they’ve provided me as to when they’ll reopen, well, for obvious reasons...

    I’m shifting to Vietnam for production going forward.
    Yes. Not enough people are talking about this. (Yet!)

    It's one thing to change to a supplier in another country for things like furniture, fabrics or plastics. That's not so daunting.

    Electronics and similar complex components are a different matter, because the very materials to produce those items (and make them, such as highly sophisticated robotic factory lines) are ALSO made or sourced in China.

    One can't suddenly look in Vietnam or Cambodia for circuit boards, car parts (or truck/ bus/ heavy machinery/ airplane parts!), or medical supplies and modern equipment for hospitals.

    Dr Gary Ridenour
    has called this the "can of beans" principle. Meaning, consider how a can of beans gets to the supermarket shelf where you can actually buy the thing and take it home.
    • The beans have to be harvested, using farm machinery that needs spare parts and fuel, and experienced operators.
    • Then the beans have to be transported, in trucks that need spare parts and fuel, and experienced operators, to a factory.
    • That factory needs personnel, who can drive to work, assuming there's fuel in their cars, and they're not sick.
    • Meanwhile, the cans are made from iron, tin and carbon (usually), and those minerals have to be imported from elsewhere in the world, a long supply chain that starts with workers in Africa, Asia or South America using heavy machinery to dig the raw ore out of the ground.
    • And so on. (And on, and on, and on.) If any of those many dominoes are missing, or don't connect properly with all the others in the long line, then there are no more cans of beans.

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    Vietnamese are ethnically chinese as well.... i hope the virus doesnt shut them down too, for the past 10 years, many Chinese operations have been shifting their own operations to Vietnam... due to the lower labour costs and less governmental interference. this makes parts of Vietnam quite environmentally toxic as well unfortunately - just watched this fairly insightful episode

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    Many thanks... this is important.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    From Bill, here:
    "We're living in a dangerous world. That's simply a fact. If one really doesn't mind having a sleepless night, watch the video interview with Jeff Nyquist in post #756. OMG. There's a ton of pretty important stuff in there about Russian and Chinese military strategy that I'd never known. That really is scary (terrifying, even) — and might be all too real."
    The speech referred to in the linked video post #756 in the Avalon Library in a standalone folder, originally published online by Rense.com:

    Link: http://avalonlibrary.net/Speech_By_C...ion_(2005).pdf

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Have you seen the links below this video, they are all fear promoted headlines, starting with: Breaking....... i don’t know......??

    I mean at post nr 792

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    Quote Posted by James (here)
    I’m not too troubled by the actual threat the virus poses - do read my post on the Anglo Saxon Mission thread - however, the geopolitical ramifications of this are immense for both the East and the West.

    I import commercial and residential furniture from China, and right now, the factories I work with aren’t even open. I don’t trust the date they’ve provided me as to when they’ll reopen, well, for obvious reasons...

    I’m shifting to Vietnam for production going forward.
    Yes. Not enough people are talking about this. (Yet!)

    It's one thing to change to a supplier in another country for things like furniture, fabrics or plastics. That's not so daunting.

    Electronics and similar complex components are a different matter, because the very materials to produce those items (and make them, such as highly sophisticated robotic factory lines) are ALSO made or sourced in China.

    One can't suddenly look in Vietnam or Cambodia for circuit boards, car parts (or truck/ bus/ heavy machinery/ airplane parts!), or medical supplies and modern equipment for hospitals.

    Dr Gary Ridenour
    has called this the "can of beans" principle. Meaning, consider how a can of beans gets to the supermarket shelf where you can actually buy the thing and take it home.
    • The beans have to be harvested, using farm machinery that needs spare parts and fuel, and experienced operators.
    • Then the beans have to be transported, in trucks that need spare parts and fuel, and experienced operators, to a factory.
    • That factory needs personnel, who can drive to work, assuming there's fuel in their cars, and they're not sick.
    • Meanwhile, the cans are made from iron, tin and carbon (usually), and those minerals have to be imported from elsewhere in the world, a long supply chain that starts with workers in Africa, Asia or South America using heavy machinery to dig the raw ore out of the ground.
    • And so on. (And on, and on, and on.) If any of those many dominoes are missing, or don't connect properly with all the others in the long line, then there are no more cans of beans.

    I think many of us are going to be shocked at how the supply chain will be interrupted. To be honest, I had no idea that most of the ingredients in medication come from China. I went to the store today and stocked up on TP and paper towels. I have decided to get new tires for my car now rather than later. It's kind of challenging trying to figure out which supplies we will most likely find unavailable or in short supply. I have also been buying some non perishable food. I figure if I don't end up needing it I will just use it over time or donate it to a food bank

    It seems you can't just look at a product and immediately determine if China is involved in the process of making it in some way. I am now wondering about Dog food that is supposedly made in the US? I normally make my own dog food but I feel like having kibble as a back up will be good. Are the ingredients actually from China, do they just mix it together in the US (in my case, as I live in the US)?

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    We're living in a dangerous world. That's simply a fact.
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    A few predictions and speculations from myself . . . . .
    Bill, I‘m convinced now of what I‘ve been suspecting for quite a while: I’m on a totally different timeline than you, meanwhile, though still close enough to talk to you via the net Just saying . . .
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    A few predictions and speculations from myself . . . . .
    Bill, I‘m convinced now of which I‘ve suspected for quite a while: I’m on a totally different timeline than you, meanwhile, though still close enough to talk to you via the net Just saying . . .
    I understand!

    When I plan to go hiking in the mountains, I check the weather forecast. I never hope for bad weather! But I always need to know what it's likely to be, so I can make the best, safe decisions.

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    I’m not too troubled by the actual threat the virus poses - do read my post on the Anglo Saxon Mission thread - however, the geopolitical ramifications of this are immense for both the East and the West.

    I import commercial and residential furniture from China, and right now, the factories I work with aren’t even open. I don’t trust the date they’ve provided me as to when they’ll reopen, well, for obvious reasons...

    I’m shifting to Vietnam for production going forward.
    Yes. Not enough people are talking about this. (Yet!)

    It's one thing to change to a supplier in another country for things like furniture, fabrics or plastics. That's not so daunting.

    Electronics and similar complex components are a different matter, because the very materials to produce those items (and make them, such as highly sophisticated robotic factory lines) are ALSO made or sourced in China.

    One can't suddenly look in Vietnam or Cambodia for circuit boards, car parts (or truck/ bus/ heavy machinery/ airplane parts!), or medical supplies and modern equipment for hospitals.

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    has called this the "can of beans" principle. Meaning, consider how a can of beans gets to the supermarket shelf where you can actually buy the thing and take it home.
    • The beans have to be harvested, using farm machinery that needs spare parts and fuel, and experienced operators.
    • Then the beans have to be transported, in trucks that need spare parts and fuel, and experienced operators, to a factory.
    • That factory needs personnel, who can drive to work, assuming there's fuel in their cars, and they're not sick.
    • Meanwhile, the cans are made from iron, tin and carbon (usually), and those minerals have to be imported from elsewhere in the world, a long supply chain that starts with workers in Africa, Asia or South America using heavy machinery to dig the raw ore out of the ground.
    • And so on. (And on, and on, and on.) If any of those many dominoes are missing, or don't connect properly with all the others in the long line, then there are no more cans of beans.

    I think many of us are going to be shocked at how the supply chain will be interrupted. To be honest, I had no idea that most of the ingredients in medication come from China. I went to the store today and stocked up on TP and paper towels. I have decided to get new tires for my car now rather than later. It's kind of challenging trying to figure out which supplies we will most likely find unavailable or in short supply. I have also been buying some non perishable food. I figure if I don't end up needing it I will just use it over time or donate it to a food bank

    It seems you can't just look at a product and immediately determine if China is involved in the process of making it in some way. I am now wondering about Dog food that is supposedly made in the US? I normally make my own dog food but I feel like having kibble as a back up will be good. Are the ingredients actually from China, do they just mix it together in the US (in my case, as I live in the US)?
    I hope you're not right on the med ingredients coming only from China - as it seems one of JS' recent posts said that most of his crop of medical drugs were made in Mexico, so hopefully the ingredient source was also Mexican derived, and depending on the right way of production (most ingredients of mainstream medical drugs are petrochemically and synthetically derived - just changing molecular sequences to produce a different drug). The meds he listed were azitromycina, cefalexina, cipro, clindamycin, dicloxicilin, metronizado and posipen.

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    I hope you're not right on the med ingredients coming only from China
    U.S. officials worried about Chinese control of American drug supply

    "Basically we've outsourced our entire industry to China," retired Brig. Gen. John Adams told NBC News. "That is a strategic vulnerability."

    (article continues here)

    A note: I'm just illustrating the point. I'm no fan of allopathic drugs! But when I had appendicitis a couple of years ago, I did have to go under anesthetic, and before that I needed a CAT scan and ultrasound (Doppler) scans. If that equipment hadn't been working, and the anesthetic wasn't available, I might not be here now.
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    The plot gets thicker--

    ...



    "This is beyond eerie. A 1981 thriller by Dean Koontz predicted the #Coronavirus nightmare, pinpointing it to supposedly biological weapons labs in China’s Wuhan"

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    This is an absolutely stunning find, frankstien. I'm truly "gobsmacked" by this. Thanks so much for posting this. The odds of this being simply clever writing by Koontz are about a google to one.


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