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    Default The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    So this virus is being treated with the highest degree of attention, it is rapidly spreading to other countries but yet this has symptoms and deaths just like the ordinary flu. I believe last years flu here in the states killed 28,000 americans , so whats the urgency with this one? Anybody have any answers or hunches? I will say 2 years ago I caught something, I couldn't do anything for 2 weeks, kicked my butt big time including being winded just from walking 50 ft. WEe know this started in china last month but now looks like its picking up steam , they also know now it is getting transmitted human to human. East asia also has a very bad swine virus going around????

    Killer Chinese virus comes to the US: Patient infected with SARS-like coronavirus is reported in Washington state, CDC says

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...-CDC-says.html


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    THERE are fears the deadly coronavirus could become global with Chinese New Year sparking three BILLION trips.

    At least six people have died while 308 victims have been infected including more than 270 in Wuhan which is the epicentre of the outbreak.

    And with confirmed cases in Thailand, Japan and South Korea there are concerns that the upcoming Lunar New Year could spark a global pandemic.

    In fact, today it has been reported that the first case in the United States will be announced, according to federal sources.

    This Saturday marks the first day of the country’s New Year celebrations which is known as the "largest annual human migration in the world.”

    Hundreds of millions of Chinese people will return home via planes, trains, ferries and by car – sparking mass movement within China as well as from abroad.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/107905..._source=pushly


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.
    Pyrangello, those flu death numbers are wrong. CDC always publishes wrong death numbers. They assume flu, even though there are many other things that produce the same symptoms. When researchers have actually gone through the “flu” samples they’ve discovered very few were actually the flu. But flu is what they sell vaccines for so that’s what they hype. Remember the swine flu scare a few years back? They did the same thing there, hyped deaths as swine flu but they weren’t. Jon Rappaport over at Nomorefakenews.com has documented all this really well. Go there for more detail.

    As with any virus, the key is not to think about the virus so much but to think about your own interior terrain. A healthy immune system will defeat pretty much any virus. The other key is to know how to combat a virus naturally, using your body’s own defenses. My wife is a nurse practitioner and we NEVER ingest pharma drugs. There are several natural antibiotics, antifungals and antivirus products that work far better than anything you can get in a hospital (a couple threads on those around here, too). Learn and experiment with those and you’ll come to a point where you’ll not fear any virus and you’ll see these stories for what they are.

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    Exclamation Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    CONFIRMED -The First Case Of Coronovirus In The USA*6 Things You Need To Know:
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Let's understand that "coronavirus" is just a type of virus family, not a specific virus ... many of the "common colds" we get are caused by the corona virus, but more commonly the "rhinovirus".

    Corona viruses are not new - first discovered ~1960 as the cause of people suffering from common cold symptoms, although now we know that there are over 200 different viruses that can give us the "common cold" symptoms. So headlines like in the video above as "first case of coronovirus in USA" is misleading and simplistic media click baiting (in the video title, not the post).

    I believe there are seven known strains that currently can infect humans, many of them affect other mammals and livestock.

    We may be dealing with a new strain, or a highly mutated strain. This apparent "new strain" has been considered not easy to be transmitted from human to human. Let's not allow media to cause us to project our fear around this, as that fear will not serve, and ultimately make the situation much worse than it would otherwise.

    From my point of view, there's nothing to be alarmed about at all. Remember the US gets at least seven confirmed bubonic plague cases every year. I know of at least 5 cases people in the last few years here in Canada where people died from complications of an unknown respiratory illness, the doctors just say, well we know its not influenza. Weird viruses are everywhere ... like I said, there's over 200 known viruses we attribute the "common cold" to - which range in severity from "just like the worst flu ever" .. to "the sniffles". Weird viruses are everywhere ... all the time. if you weighed all the viruses and all the humans on earth, viruses would weigh more, and they can only be seen with an electron microscope - consider how many there are on earth altogether.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    So this virus is being treated with the highest degree of attention, it is rapidly spreading to other countries but yet this has symptoms and deaths just like the ordinary flu. I believe last years flu here in the states killed 28,000 americans
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    Health Canada says that about 8000 Canadians die from influenza. Actual confirmed cases in all of Canada for an entire year is closer to the 200 mark. Some of the models used to calculate how they get that "8000" number included counting deaths in winter months (it's Canada, lots of people die in the winter for all sorts of reasons not related to illness), then subtracting the deaths from previous summer months and the difference is "flu deaths" (sorry I don't have link to original investigation behind this - it was a CBC investigative journalist's report) -- but things like car accident fatalities in winter due to icy and snowy roads are counted as "flu deaths". Pretty accurate, right?

    Cui bono from these flu stat lies? Big Pharma. Big Pharma benefits most from creating fear of a pandemic - real, or of appearances only - it matters not to their profits.

    Edit: Don't underestimate placebo effect ... it can be weaponized.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...navirus-spread

    Quarantine of 11 million in china, I'm not worried as much as I think there's much that isn't being said. Theres a YouTube video on this link where they are spraying the town for the virus possibly. I know about the vaccinations slant, I don't get any of them . But go to this link , there talking quarantines in mexico, Australia, ect ect. I would say the prudent thing to do in the next few days is watch and feed info here on avalon and lets see if we can connect the dots or is this just a fire drill.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by pyrangello (here)
    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...navirus-spread
    ... I would say the prudent thing to do in the next few days is watch and feed info here on avalon and lets see if we can connect the dots or is this just a fire drill.
    Yeah ... when the information environment has reached a level where the entire ecology is based around strategically created and distributed information, it gets much more difficult to find reliable sources. But yes, I do agree - throwing stuff on the table is good, but also discernment is required somewhat for what we throw on the table. Energy flows where attention goes ... is that the saying? Or was it just a cat meme thread?
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Coronavirus Deaths Double Overnight To 17, Suspected Case Identified In St. Petersburg

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    We discovered quite a lot about the mechanics (and mathematics!) of epidemiology during the Swine Flu scare of 2009-10, and the later Ebola scare a few years ago. It's instructive to learn a little about how all this works.

    The paradox with something dangerous and infectious is that (e.g.) if some super-virus is super-fatal and strikes people down within 24 hours, then it's NOT such a risk to become an epidemic. Because, coarsely put, it kills the carrier before they have a chance to spread it around.

    What's far more of a problem is when someone isn't badly sick at all (or might not even have any symptoms) — but the bug they're carrying is still contagious. It's like a hidden, slow-burning fuse.

    Then the thing can spread around the globe within hours or days and like a wildfire, is REALLY hard to stop. That might be what's happening now with this particular virus.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...ert-operation/

    „...Epidemics are good for business. Pharmaceutical business, inducing fear business, shutting down travel business, diverting the public from key events business, surveillance and quarantine business, and so on.

    I’m sure, at some point, there will be THANK YOU, CHINA, BUSINESS, too. Thank you, China, for your rule by iron fist over the population. Your ability to stop anyone for any reason and test for “the virus” may have saved the planet from an extinction event. Freedom? Forget it. Public safety is the ace in the deck. It wins every time. Hell, we may need a good epidemic in the US, so we can exert more control over the unruly citizenry. The doctor is king. Do what he says. Always. How many vaccines are there now? Take all of them. Everyone must...“

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I believe the Coronavirus is nothing more than the "common cold". Is this another swine flu and avian flu scare, born of the world's flu incubator (China) again? Seems to be.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=coronaviru...ld&t=h_&ia=web


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    BOOOOM! CORONA VIRUS UPDATE ACCORDING TO MEX MEDIA

    Anything else is probable B.S. hype

    Diez en Punto, (by far the best newscast, perhaps in North America) stated that there have thus far been 446 cases of Coronavirus TOTAL in the ENTIRE world and that no one anywhere has died. This is proof of a scare psy op, and I can prove it.
    FACT: "Corona Virus" is what causes the common cold. Therefore, there are millions and millions and millions of cases, but for their "outbreak model" they are hoaxing people making them think this is something unique by stating low numbers and praying for people to be ROCK STUPID.

    Why trumpet 446 "confirmed cases" when there are obviously millions out there? Why trumpet 446 cases with zero dead? Why? Because it "showed up in China first", just like "swine flu" and H1N1? Here's a new education: All of the big scares have come out of China and all, (including coronavirus now) are proven hoaxes, hoax busted right here, on this site. QUESTION: WHY CHINA? Why is China ground zero for this crap? The social credit score? The one place where they can push it with instant penalization of dissenters? Probably something in that ball park.
    I am officially declaring the "corona virus" outbreak a HOAX. FACT: in the city where I sit, with a population of 1.5 million, there are at least 3, 000 cases of "corona virus" because it is SO DAMN COMMON. This is not an outbreak, it is a medical scare scam.

    A medical scare scam launched by a first year medical student or someone else who thinks "coronavirus" sounds spooky. YES. IT SOUNDS SPOOKY. Spookier than bird flu at least! Maybe that will work. NOT.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    What's far more of a problem is when someone isn't badly sick at all (or might not even have any symptoms) — but the bug they're carrying is still contagious. It's like a hidden, slow-burning fuse.

    Then the thing can spread around the globe within hours or days and like a wildfire, is REALLY hard to stop. That might be what's happening now with this particular virus.
    Quite right, the incubation period is said to be 7 days for the virus: 2019-nCoV but they only stop and examine people who has higher body temperature than normal at bus/train stations and airports because it's said to be most contagious.

    Now this has proved to be a failure so the whole city is now quarantined: https://www.foxnews.com/health/china...tbreak-reports

    Meanwhile, there is a shortage of medical resources, doctors and medical experts so people with symptoms has to wait hours to receive medical treatment, some of them gave up and went home. People are not getting help they need.
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    Is the new ‘deadly China virus’ a covert operation?
    by Jon Rappoport
    January 22, 2020

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...ert-operation/

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    "NEW VIRUS IN CHINA. WATCH OUT. SPREADING. ANIMALS TO HUMANS? PANDEMIC COMING UP? OBEY MEDICAL AUTHORITIES. ALL HANDS ON DECK. CENTERED IN WUHAN. CITY OF 11 MILLION. WILL THEY QUARANTINE AND SHUT DOWN HONG KONG? TRAVELERS WITH THE VIRUS GETTING THROUGH TO EUROPE AND AMERICA? WHAT’S THE NAME OF THE VIRUS? 2019-nCOV or nCoV2019. WHAT? THANK GOD THE CHINESE ARE UNDER A TIGHT DICTATORSHIP, THEY CAN CRACK DOWN AND QUARANTINE ANYBODY ON A WHIM. IF YOUR BODY TEMPERATURE IS ELEVATED ON A TEST, THEY STOP YOU? WOW. WE MAY NEED THAT IN THE USA, AS LONG AS THEY DON’T STOP ME. IMPEACHMENT? FORGET THAT, IT’S THE VIRUS.

    In the 19 years of this website, the one story I’ve researched and covered more than any other is the DEADLY VIRUS hustle. SARS, Swine Flu, Ebola, etc.

    Now, we have a new one. The possible maybe CORONAVIRUS from China.

    In each case of these could-be killers, we have an official warning. “This could be the big one.” Millions of people could fall ill and die. In each case, there are travelers. “People returning from X have the virus and they are spreading it.” In the case of SARS and Swine Flu, the patients’ symptoms were typical “flu” symptoms: fever, fatigue, cough, weakness. In other words, there was no reason to think the “new disease” was any different from ordinary traditional illness.

    The big and only difference is the claim that researchers have found a new virus as the cause of illness.

    But in each case, there are serious problems with that claim.

    First, only “official researchers” are involved with the “discovery” of the new virus. There is no confirmation from independent researchers. For example, in the case of SARS (2003), ten labs belonging to the World Health Organization (WHO) performed the “discovery” of that coronavirus. They were connected through closed circuit—no outsiders allowed.

    Eventually, a Canadian biologist working for WHO, Frank Plummer, told the press he was quite puzzled by what he was seeing: more and more SARS patients didn’t have the SARS virus at all. In fact, almost no new SARS patients had the virus. Well, when you stop and think about that ridiculous state of affairs, you realize you can’t say a person, with ordinary flu-like symptoms, is suffering from a new disease if he doesn’t have the cause of that disease. But the mainstream press took no notice of this and moved on.

    In the case of the Swine Flu “epidemic” (2009), the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) was reporting thousands of cases in America—but CBS star reporter Sharyl Attkisson found out that the CDC had, mysteriously, stopped counting cases. How could this be? She came up with the devastating answer. The overwhelming percentage of blood tests on Swine Flu patients were coming back from labs with no sign of the Swine Flu virus or any other flu virus. That story ran on the CBS News site, but as Attkisson told me in an interview, the bosses at CBS wouldn’t allow it on the national television news broadcast. Censored. And that was the end of the CBS exposure of the Swine Flu hoax. Yet, as I reported: about three weeks after CBS shut down the story, WebMD ran a piece in which the CDC estimated there were 22 MILLION cases of Swine Flu in the US. If your head is spinning, it should be.

    The second major problem with the announcement of a “new disease” or an epidemic is the absence of research on what we could call the “infection factor.” Let me explain. To even begin to say a particular germ is causing a particular disease, you have to prove the germ is present in a patient’s body IN GREAT NUMBERS. A few little viral particles floating around here and there are irrelevant. You need millions. So if an ignorant doctor or a researcher states, “Well, this patient has the coronavirus so he has the disease,” he’s falling far short of proving anything useful. Where are the tests proving the patient has millions of the virus in his body? Nowhere.

    The third major problem with the announcement of a “new disease” or an epidemic is the “test factor.” What test is being run on a patient to prove he has the “new virus” in his body? Most of the time, it is an antibody test. Stay with me here, this is important. Prior to 1984, it was generally recognized that a positive antibody test was a good outcome. In short, it indicated that the patient’s immune system had come in contact with a germ and successfully defeated it. But then, for several reasons, this science was turned on its head. A positive antibody test, from that time on, was evidence that the patient currently had the disease in question. Boom. Now, disease numbers could easily be inflated. And they were. And they are.

    Automatically assuming that the announcement of a possible epidemic is accurate—well, it’s a major mistake, to say the least.

    The CDC and WHO are operated by virus hunters. Running a new virus up the flagpole is their stock in trade. They rush to an area where an “outbreak” has been announced, and they roll up their sleeves and look for the virus. They pay no attention to environmental factors, such as contaminated water supplies or toxic chemicals or malnutrition or lack of basic sanitation.


    Epidemics are good for business. Pharmaceutical business, inducing fear business, shutting down travel business, diverting the public from key events business, surveillance and quarantine business, and so on.

    I’m sure, at some point, there will be THANK YOU, CHINA, BUSINESS, too. Thank you, China, for your rule by iron fist over the population. Your ability to stop anyone for any reason and test for “the virus” may have saved the planet from an extinction event. Freedom? Forget it. Public safety is the ace in the deck. It wins every time. Hell, we may need a good epidemic in the US, so we can exert more control over the unruly citizenry. The doctor is king. Do what he says. Always. How many vaccines are there now? Take all of them. Everyone must.

    Nineteen years ago, when I started this website, I told you that, of all the cartels in this world, the most important and powerful one, long-term, was the medical cartel. Nothing since that time has changed my mind."
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

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    Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Let's face it, the common cold has slowly mutated over the last 30 years to become "the flu." If you aren't stressed and get 8 hours sleep, you won't catch it, or it will be mild, like the common cold of decades past. If you do catch it, it could become bronchitis or pneumonia. In any case, have some 10:1 oregano oil on hand, which will knock it out. Here's an inexpensive source:
    https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swan...0-mg-120-sgels
    I am 100% sure that Oil of oregano is the best antibiotic/antiviral you can have in the medicine cabinet.

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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.
    What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.
    In hoc signo vinces / In this sign thou shalt conquer

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    Quote Posted by BMJ (here)
    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.
    What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.
    Does anyone remember the 1976 swine flu scare? I remember well how they were hyping that one. Everyone was encouraged to get the vaccine. I was young and working in downtown Harrisburg, PA, and I would take a bus to work and back from where I lived (near 3-mile-island) At the bus-stop one day after work, there were nurses on the city streets, giving out flu shots for free to everyone at the bus-stop or passing by. We all just lined up and took the shot. In retrospect, I do wonder what that 1976 swine flu shot AND 3-mile-island did to me! haha Oh well, water under the bridge at this point.
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    Quote Posted by Ayt (here)
    Quote Posted by BMJ (here)
    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.
    What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.
    Does anyone remember the 1976 swine flu scare? I remember well how they were hyping that one. Everyone was encouraged to get the vaccine. I was young and working in downtown Harrisburg, PA, and I would take a bus to work and back from where I lived (near 3-mile-island) At the bus-stop one day after work, there were nurses on the city streets, giving out flu shots for free to everyone at the bus-stop or passing by. We all just lined up and took the shot. In retrospect, I do wonder what that 1976 swine flu shot AND 3-mile-island did to me! haha Oh well, water under the bridge at this point.
    I was in Los Angeles, and I don't recall if they called it swine flu, but a LOT of people came down with a bad flu, myself included.

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    Quote Posted by BMJ (here)
    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    We have to be careful with these things because I can remember multiple times where they’ve hyped some scary virus as a way to scare people into more vaccinations.
    What comes to mind is the 2009 fake swine flu epidemic that was being pedalled by WHO and our governments at the time.
    The 2009 scare seemed more artificial than this one. In 2009 they were gearing up for it before it really started, as if they created it themselves or had some kind of heads up. This on seems to be rolling out more naturally.

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    According to Peter Hurford as below it takes much more than five years to develop a vaccine for a new virus

    https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/...-a-new-vaccine

    However luckily the corona virus has already been patented and vaccines are in the pipeline so no need to worry unduly

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US7220852



    ‘So let me get this straight about this virus

    It’s “new” yet it was lab created and patented in 2015 (in development since 03’)

    The patent expired (today) on the day the first case is announced in the US

    The patent also tells us the CDC helped make this! “This invention was made by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, an agency of the United States Government. Therefore, the U.S. Government has certain rights in this invention.”

    And now magically a vaccine is in the works for it already? Yet the patent in 2015 already references a vaccine for it.

    But what do I know I’m just a conspiracy theorist.

    Chris kirckof.’
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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