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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    This article was on Medium and was taken down....

    Coronavirus Exposed, Part 1: Communist Coverup, or Pandemic Bioweapon of Mass Destruction?


    This is another medical person who is very thoroughly interpreting others' research



    more good advice



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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by syrwong (here)
    Another tragic event after pig pandemic, Wuhan coronavirus (Chicken flu):

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bird...-highly-2020-2

    https://www.rt.com/news/479871-china...m_campaign=RSS
    These two headlines are:

    A ‚highly pathogenic strain‘ of H5N1 bird flu has been reported in China’s Hunan province

    Clucking hell! New outbreak of BIRD FLU sees thousands of chickens culled in coronavirus-stricken China
    Too many coincidences ...

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Here is something to digest:

    https://medium.com/@realAdrianBond/c...n-229ad482c0d3

    So basically the Location of "Wuhan Institute of Virology" was moved on Google Maps as the 2019-nCoV was introduced to the world. Let that sink in.



    I should add. No Fear. Just be informed.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    People, I know, this will be a very unpopular post. The ‚energy‘ on this thread to me feels more and more like in the notorious tabloid papers. I get the impression everyone is looking for the worst predictions and possible scenarios, with a bit of potential paranoia mixed in. Almost no reliable facts are known. We don‘t know whether China is reporting correctly nor whether the MSM/alternative news in the West are manipulated into which direction, for which kind of outcome exactly, in this case. Considering the current geopolitical context (US/Nato-China-Russia) it could be anything.

    I am absolutely grateful for the amount of information and opinions collected here. I think the way how they are presented is as important as the info itself, if not more. There‘s an underlying feeling of hysteria, which worries me greatly. The alternative media has become more and more compromised by panic mongering and playing on fears. That‘s a big disappointment. And think: the real big dangers and threats to humanity are not allowed to be discussed in the public. Everything that gets a lot of attention publicly is for the major part distraction and entertainment. That‘s my opinion, at least.

    From the original Project Camelot interviews back then I‘ve always taken that whatever the deep state/black ops/hidden forces do, finally WE are in charge. We are responsible and the decisive element of how we create our world. I’m missing that.

    What kind of I N F O R M A T I O N do we spread? I n f o r m a t i o n creates reality. Stay grounded, breathe, please!
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    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    People, I know, this will be a very unpopular post. The ‚energy‘ on this thread to me feels more and more like in the notorious tabloid papers. I get the impression everyone is looking for the worst predictions and possible scenarios, with a bit of potential paranoia mixed in. Almost no reliable facts are known. We don‘t know whether China is reporting correctly nor whether the MSM/alternative news in the West are manipulated into which direction, for which kind of outcome exactly, in this case. Considering the current geopolitical context (US/Nato-China-Russia) it could be anything.

    I am absolutely grateful for the amount of information and opinions collected here. I think the way how they are presented is as important as the info itself, if not more. There‘s an underlying feeling of hysteria, which worries me greatly. The alternative media has become more and more compromised by panic mongering and playing on fears. That‘s a big disappointment. And think: the real big dangers and threats to humanity are not allowed to be discussed in the public. Everything that gets a lot of attention publicly is for the major part distraction and entertainment. That‘s my opinion, at least.

    From the original Project Camelot interviews back then I‘ve always taken that whatever the deep state/black ops/hidden forces do, finally WE are in charge. We are responsible and the decisive element of how we create our world. I’m missing that.

    What kind of I N F O R M A T I O N do we spread? I n f o r m a t i o n creates reality. Stay grounded, breathe, please!
    Totally agree with this post. Dont let yourself get sucked into the hysteria and fear about this or anything else. Thats just what THEY want. It feeds the negative powers. Try to trust in a good outcome of everything. Me myself im 100% convinced this is going to be fine, whatever happens and whatever my choices will be.

    If there is anything i learned from spiritual teachings is to try and have trust in the future, trust that you get to see where youre path leads.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Wow re Innocent Warrior's link to The Australian: well, that produced a paywall, and every other Australian newspaper too (I'd copied and pasted into Google a sentence from the article snip shared here.)

    Blinking flip. So, Australian mainstream newspaper sources are impossible to access [from the UK without having to subscribe] as well now? Whatever next

    Sorry about that, it gave me a view before it asked for a subscription, but that might just be for Australians. HERE'S an article containing similar information, it's an overview of the situation here in Australia. It's quite long so I'll just paste information about Dr Drew's warning here. You shouldn't have any problems accessing that link, but if you do and you'd like to read the full article just let me know and I'll add it in this post.

    "The coronavirus outbreak could rapidly get worse and become even deadlier as it continues to spread worldwide, a leading Australian virologist has warned.

    Professor Trevor Drew is the director of the CSRIO's Australian Animal Health Laboratory in regional Victoria, where fast-tracked efforts to develop a vaccine for the virus are now underway.

    Professor Drew said previous research in pigs showed how coronavirus could become more lethal over time.

    He told The Australian the contagion needs to be regarded as a 'cloud' of closely matched pathogens rather than one virus with the potential to become even deadlier in 'a 'high-host-density environment' such as China.

    'You may well find that more virulent viruses emerge from that cloud,' Professor Drew told the publication.

    'What I am thinking might be happening here is not that people have been infected for some time with this virus, but that it is finding a new niche rather more slowly and that could ultimately cause more of a problem than we have seen with other diseases because it is not so spectacular early on in its evolution.'

    Professor Drew said Chinese authorities have recognised the outbreak could be worse than the SARS epidemic in 2003.

    Professor Drew is leading the fast-tracked development of a coronavirus vaccine at the Australian Animal Health Laboratory, a high-containment facility in Geelong.

    It is the only physical containment laboratory of its kind in Australia and one of five in the world.

    Preclinical trials could be underway by March and a vaccine developed within four months.

    'Our role is to take the knowledge that we will be gaining from how this virus behaves and then creating the biological platforms that are necessary for developing and trialling vaccine candidates,' CSIRO Director of Health and Biosecurity Rob Grenfell told reporters on Friday."
    Never give up on your silly, silly dreams.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    This is a great point, I love you!

    however part of our mission to facilitate that change - to a society not under the influence of the sinister aspects of big pharma, is to miss no opportunity to point at the nasty things that are being done. These companies are increasingly recognized by the mainstream to be duplicitous, exploitative and unethical. The wider this view spreads, the quicker the demise of a paradigm of medicine that does not heal, will occur, hopefully.


    Earlier in this thread we saw reference to James Lyons Weiler's tentative conclusion that this particular virus has a sequence that has likely been inserted, NOT via any natural process. it was likely bio engineered.


    https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/01...s-wuhan-china/

    Now we know that virus infection produces permanent genetic changes in the host. Viral DNA is incorporated into host DNA in a kind of editing process

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...iruses/471702/

    I do not think that they would use a disease to edit humanity's DNA, if they wanted to catch everybody. But the same sequence will be in the vaccine.

    sorry for sounding like fear porn, but calling out evil is important
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    Quote Posted by bennycog (here)
    No Fear. Just be informed.
    Yes. As best we all can, that's what we try to do here.
    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    What kind of I N F O R M A T I O N do we spread? I n f o r m a t i o n creates reality. Stay grounded, breathe, please!
    And yes. It's all a balancing act.

    When I'm hiking in the remote high mountains, I always take a little aluminum emergency space blanket with me. Just in case. I've had it for 20 years, and never even opened the package it's sealed in. But I still always take it.

    And if the weather's bad, I stay at home. (Or, very occasionally, turn back if I've started out and realize I've made the wrong call that day.)

    But I still always go out to these beautiful places. It's all a risk-management exercise, and all of life is the same. All of life is about making the best choices we can, based on the best information we can find.

    Some people do that better than others. And sometimes, sheer bad luck plays a part in the game we're all playing. But that's all part of the fun and challenge and learning opportunity of being here together.

    There's a near-certain coronavirus case in Ecuador, and the poor man has multiple organ failure and is close to death. But that's not yet been confirmed or announced. If it gets loose here in this developing country, the chances of containing it are zero. (Just like it would be in West Africa.)

    On impulse, I looked online for face masks I could get delivered here from the US, and actually found some. There were only 7 packs left. (Buy now! it said.)

    I decided not to, and to leave them for someone else who might be more worried, or living closer to an outbreak.

    I had an email from someone yesterday, a simple message from a mother of three in the US with the subject "Scared". I replied, linking her to this thread — here, besides the occasional dramatic post, there's a lot of GOOD information from informed sources — and also the Flu Treatment and Prevention thread. That may become more important and valuable than this one.

    Avalon's mission has always been to balance all the "bad news" information that Project Camelot published. (I used to joke: "You thought it was bad, but wait till you hear THIS." ) Avalon's basic mission, distinct from Camelot's, was to try to answer the question: "Okay, so what can we DO about all this?"

    And so the forum became to a large extent about self-help, empowerment, and spiritual growth. But of course, we also have to offer good contextual information if we can... like the weather forecast for a planned day in the mountains. Just hoping for the best doesn't always cut it.


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Perfectly stated Bill. Anytime anything happens in the world , project Avalon Is one of the first places I go to. Lots of knowledgeable people here from all around the world , making every situation easier to understand what's really happening and how to deal with it.


    That being said I was over my buddy's last night who was born in China, he and his wife. They have been here 30 years and are American citizens now. HE is in contact with all his briother,sisters and parents in China within a few buttons on his phone thru text or videos. HE told me none of his family is sick and all is well. Was very glad to hear that.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I don't have anything more to contribute for now but wanted to give thanks to all the members posting information here, very much appreciated!

    I admit, I must have been feeling pretty anxious because I was so relieved when I read the news about the borders (it's challenging enough to trace even small numbers of cases after this much time, and I'm Zen compared to many others in South Brisbane). I've shifted from reading the news and social media to just checking government announcements and reading this thread because I've found it to be balanced and measured in it's energy and it's wonderful to have all the information gathered in one thread. All about perspective I suppose because I've found the stay calm posts to be more emotionally charged in comparison to the informative posts.

    It's intelligent and healthy to stay informed, it would be too late to respond effectively as a parent if I were to wait until we know for certain what this novel virus is, however, I do appreciate the reminders about staying calm.

    With the information that's available so far, I'm not feeling it, but I do hope for everyone, especially for the beautiful citizens of China, that the case turns out to be that Ernie can come back with, "I told you so!"

    Take care all. xo
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    Twitter account of ZeroHedge was permanently suspended for suggesting a scientist at Wuhan Virology should be questioned about the origin of the virus. Makes me wonder if this scientist is some kind of intelligence asset. You can be arrested for revealing the identity of a CIA agent. If he isn't an asset or agent, why the sensitivity over the revealing of information available publicly on the company's website?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/ot...-99/ar-BBZxpLs

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    This is my take away so far....I DON'T KNOW IF This is a wolf.

    Agreed! I don't know where this is going, but I do know that I can be prepared.

    The best thing IMO we can ALL do now is consider locating outside a major population center ASAP. It looks like cities are not the best place for healthy people anyway. There are many reasons to live in a smaller community but IMO the cards are showing that for lots of reasons we will be better off into the future outside urban/suburban areas.

    Learning I have consolidated in the last week is

    1. Practice NOT moving my hands above my shoulders unless I have deliberate reasons like brush my hair and teeth etc... and after hand washing.

    2. Be aware of touching surfaces and use bleach to wipe down fomites.

    3. Talk to others about what I know about viruses and spread awareness versus hysteria.

    4. Don't go around hugging and shaking hands (is it time to do the Bowing greeting?)

    5. Stock up on the supplements (Thanks for all the suggestions)

    6. Plan to have a bigger garden this spring.

    7. Think about how to completely isolate if needed.

    8. NEVER EVER EVER get a vaccine.

    Good things to keep in mind always.

    Questions I have are about the usefulness of masks (maybe they have too great a porosity?

    That's a good question. I have some on hand, but I plan on saving them for times when they're most necessary, like if you have to be on an airplane or in a clinic or something.
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by bennycog (here)
    No Fear. Just be informed.
    Yes. As best we all can, that's what we try to do here.
    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    What kind of I N F O R M A T I O N do we spread? I n f o r m a t i o n creates reality. Stay grounded, breathe, please!
    And yes. It's all a balancing act.

    Agreed!

    When I'm hiking in the remote high mountains, I always take a little aluminum emergency space blanket with me. Just in case. I've had it for 20 years, and never even opened the package it's sealed in. But I still always take it.

    And if the weather's bad, I stay at home. (Or, very occasionally, turn back if I've started out and realize I've made the wrong call that day.)

    But I still always go out to these beautiful places. It's all a risk-management exercise, and all of life is the same. All of life is about making the best choices we can, based on the best information we can find.

    Some people do that better than others. And sometimes, sheer bad luck plays a part in the game we're all playing. But that's all part of the fun and challenge and learning opportunity of being here together.

    So true! What a great illustration, thank you!

    There's a near-certain coronavirus case in Ecuador, and the poor man has multiple organ failure and is close to death. But that's not yet been confirmed or announced. If it gets loose here in this developing country, the chances of containing it are zero. (Just like it would be in West Africa.)

    On impulse, I looked online for face masks I could get delivered here from the US, and actually found some. There were only 7 packs left. (Buy now! it said.)

    I decided not to, and to leave them for someone else who might be more worried, or living closer to an outbreak.

    I had an email from someone yesterday, a simple message from a mother of three in the US with the subject "Scared". I replied, linking her to this thread — here, besides the occasional dramatic post, there's a lot of GOOD information from informed sources — and also the Flu Treatment and Prevention thread. That may become more important and valuable than this one.

    Oh my, my heart broke a little when I read that. Being a young parent right now is TERRIFYING. There is so much misinformation and outright lies it's hard to know what to do, but you have a little life that's all dependent on you.

    It does gets easier the more you do it, the older your kids get, and more you learn to trust your own instincts. I strongly believe that meditation is MUST for any parent... well, everyone, really, but parents with children still at home especially.


    Avalon's mission has always been to balance all the "bad news" information that Project Camelot published. (I used to joke: "You thought it was bad, but wait till you hear THIS." ) Avalon's basic mission, distinct from Camelot's, was to try to answer the question: "Okay, so what can we DO about all this?"

    And so the forum became to a large extent about self-help, empowerment, and spiritual growth. But of course, we also have to offer good contextual information if we can... like the weather forecast for a planned day in the mountains. Just hoping for the best doesn't always cut it.

    I love Avalon because of exactly this!!!
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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Twitter account of ZeroHedge was permanently suspended for suggesting a scientist at Wuhan Virology should be questioned about the origin of the virus. Makes me wonder if this scientist is some kind of intelligence asset. You can be arrested for revealing the identity of a CIA agent. If he isn't an asset or agent, why the sensitivity over the revealing of information available publicly on the company's website?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/ot...-99/ar-BBZxpLs
    Here's the published medical article. It's basically saying [in simple lay terms] that somehow, the HIV "delivery system" has found its way into the Wuhan coronavirus.

    https://biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...871v1.full.pdf


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    Very good, thanks. I'd been unaware of him (his name is Michael Gu), and he's clearly a good guy. I'll definitely follow him daily right now. Here's his site:

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    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    People, I know, this will be a very unpopular post. The ‚energy‘ on this thread to me feels more and more like in the notorious tabloid papers. I get the impression everyone is looking for the worst predictions and possible scenarios, with a bit of potential paranoia mixed in. Almost no reliable facts are known. We don‘t know whether China is reporting correctly nor whether the MSM/alternative news in the West are manipulated into which direction, for which kind of outcome exactly, in this case. Considering the current geopolitical context (US/Nato-China-Russia) it could be anything.

    I am absolutely grateful for the amount of information and opinions collected here. I think the way how they are presented is as important as the info itself, if not more. There‘s an underlying feeling of hysteria, which worries me greatly. The alternative media has become more and more compromised by panic mongering and playing on fears. That‘s a big disappointment. And think: the real big dangers and threats to humanity are not allowed to be discussed in the public. Everything that gets a lot of attention publicly is for the major part distraction and entertainment. That‘s my opinion, at least.

    From the original Project Camelot interviews back then I‘ve always taken that whatever the deep state/black ops/hidden forces do, finally WE are in charge. We are responsible and the decisive element of how we create our world. I’m missing that.

    What kind of I N F O R M A T I O N do we spread? I n f o r m a t i o n creates reality. Stay grounded, breathe, please!
    I think the energy here isn't tabloid. My personal quest is to understand and master reality manifestation. In my daily life, I realize how well I have managed to create a satisfying experience. Seriously, I do not understand yet how this collective experience is managed. It would never be my intention to deliberately harm others and WAR makes no sense. Greed makes no sense. Withholding vital information in order to maintain control makes no sense. Hierarchies, racism, castes systems, authoritarianism make no sense....

    BUT I SEE THEM? It is seriously a daily WTF question about why these absolutely expired paradigms (all based on fear) still are managing the collective view?

    The major issue I am standing up to shout down is the way secrecy is valued. I see in this episode the willingness to sacrifice a whole city, state, country, world to "save face". I see people in Frankenstein Suits creating opportunities to destroy the life and health of a future generation for fear and greed. Avarice and POWER and PRESTIGE have no place in my New World.

    SO< the kind of information I see being posted is meaningful to me here because

    1. It asserts that we have the RIGHT and responsibility to learn and dessimintate information transparently.
    2. This may bring down the paradigms of WAR/
    3. We can take charge of our persoanal space.
    4. IMO we deserve to QUESTION any collective event and we WILL attempt to unravel the lies.

    In the big context, I am aware that this life is an absolute wink of the eye. I am certain LIFE is eternal and don't fear the thought. HOWEVER, I am not at all thinking after I leave the experience it blinks out (like a TV set turned off).

    MY OPINION is that we are as responsible to the future as "could be" and MUST insert into the present those values we love. I LOVE FREEDOM and I INTEND that all the systems of coercion and psychopathic disregard be dssolved by a flood of love for life and truth.

    Getting off the thread is a really good idea though and clean the house. Blessings!

    Innocent Warrior posted this from Australia

    Quote Professor Drew said Chinese authorities have recognised the outbreak could be worse than the SARS epidemic in 2003.

    Professor Drew is leading the fast-tracked development of a coronavirus vaccine at the Australian Animal Health Laboratory, a high-containment facility in Geelong.

    It is the only physical containment laboratory of its kind in Australia and one of five in the world.

    Preclinical trials could be underway by March and a vaccine developed within four months.

    'Our role is to take the knowledge that we will be gaining from how this virus behaves and then creating the biological platforms that are necessary for developing and trialling vaccine candidates,' CSIRO Director of Health and Biosecurity Rob Grenfell told reporters on Friday."
    I am going to say NONONONONONO to vaccination because to me the cutting edge is seeking an organic timeline of OUR 3D SUPER NATURAL manifestation. We have an innately powerful body with NO NEED for augmentation, no DEFECTS in its design.

    OUR volition, and conscious relationship is the pathway to more degrees of physical freedom? IMO vaccination is the action MOST antithetical to an INTENTION of Sovereign individual power. It says... I am a victim of circumstance and must depend on some other method to live.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    The British are coming! The British are coming! and guess what, they did.

    Id rather err on the side of caution. So I appreciate everyones input here. If it all turns out to be a more minimal event with little consequence, then fine, all the better. Its not like anyone is advocating spending lots of money on cures. I wrote down Bill Ryans protocol and a few other suggestions, and all is a small amount of money .

    But if they are burning bodies and this has an HIV component with a 2 week incubation period and airborne , than going to be very hard to stop. So best to be aware and have good immune system and sanitary habits

    A prayer for all and lets hope this gets put in the dust bin of sensational news events soon.

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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Twitter account of ZeroHedge was permanently suspended for suggesting a scientist at Wuhan Virology should be questioned about the origin of the virus. Makes me wonder if this scientist is some kind of intelligence asset. You can be arrested for revealing the identity of a CIA agent. If he isn't an asset or agent, why the sensitivity over the revealing of information available publicly on the company's website?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/ot...-99/ar-BBZxpLs
    Some people don't get it. That's not "revealing of information" because the info was publicly available anyway -- it's a personal defamation.

    Quote A Pro-Trump Blog Doxed A Chinese Scientist It Falsely Accused Of Creating The Coronavirus As A Bioweapon

    The scientist's name, photo, email, and a telephone number are being spread across American social media.

    A popular pro-Trump website has released the personal information of a scientist from Wuhan, China, falsely accusing them of creating the coronavirus as a bioweapon, in a plot it said is the real-life version of the video game Resident Evil.

    On Wednesday, far-right news site Zero Hedge claimed without evidence that a scientist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology created the strain of the virus that has led the World Health Organization to declare a global health emergency.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ist-it-falsely

    It gets even worse:

    Quote The rumors and lies about the Wuhan Institute of Virology dovetail with a popular meme about how the institute’s logo is similar to that of the Umbrella Corporation, the shady agency responsible for making the virus that starts the zombie apocalypse in the Resident Evil video game franchise. The logo that inspired the meme isn’t actually from Wuhan Institute of Virology, but actually belongs to Shanghai Ruilan Bao Hu San Biotech Limited, located in Shanghai, 500 miles away.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ist-it-falsely

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    There have been several social media references to the 2011 Matt Damon film Contagion. I saw it years ago, but didn't enjoy it quite as much as the 1995 Dustin Hoffman film Outbreak.

    So I thought it might be instructive to watch Contagion again, and I've just started in. OMG. Not an exact match, of course (the virus in the movie has a higher fatality rate) but there's a whole bunch of parallels.

    Here it is: the download is available for 7 days.
    This star-studded movie has no sound track and is delivered in a deadpan, documentary style. I wonder if its main intent was propaganda.

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    Quote Posted by syrwong (here)
    More Chinese are believing they are suffering from a bioweapon attack, though I believe they are still a small minority. Articles like this is circulating in the social medias. This one is machine translated except for the highlighted important parts which is translated by me.


    [I]Forwarding: There is one not been refuted. No one has refuted the rumor in the biochemical test (gene strategy) in the United States! I am extremely afraid that the World Military Games will be held in Wuhan from October 18 to October 27, 2019, with 369 US soldiers participating. Before that, the United States had already tightened its visa for going to the United States. Judging from the longest incubation period of the virus, the first pneumonia patient was found on December 3. Pushed backward by one month, it is November 3. The patient was delayed in several hospitals for several days. The virus was transmitted to people on October,30, around the conclusion of the military games.

    Judging from the current epidemic, the first batch of patients are concentrated in the vicinity of the Seafood City, which is located in the urban area and is not far from the US hotels of the Military Games.

    --- snip ---
    Very interesting! This article is in line with other scientific publications:
    • the Wuhan seafood market was not the origin of the virus --
      "The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” (Lucey)
    • the first human infection took place approximately between Oct. 30, 2019, and Nov. 29

    Quote DNA sleuths read the coronavirus genome, tracing its origins and looking for dangerous mutations

    --- snip ---

    Given what’s known about the pace at which viral genomes mutate, if nCoV had been circulating in humans since significantly before the first case was reported on Dec. 8, the 24 genomes would differ more. Applying ballpark rates of viral evolution, Rambaut estimates that the Adam (or Eve) virus from which all others are descended first appeared no earlier than Oct. 30, 2019, and no later than Nov. 29.

    --- snip ---
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/24/...and-mutations/


    FYI: Daniel Lucey is an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.

    Quote Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

    --- snip ---

    Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019—if not earlier—because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan—and perhaps elsewhere—before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” Lucey asserts.

    --- snip ---
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ading-globally

    See also: UPDATE Wuhan coronavirus – 2019-nCoV Q&A #6: An evidence-based hypothesis

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    I have not heard this yet but I always must hear David Icke's take...



    Definitely hygiene practices, state of nutrition, underlying immune competence and POPULATION DENSITY are all significant factors in morbidity and mortality. Also emotional state, belief, and general state of mind are extremely important.

    The people dying ARE having cytokine storm symptoms (underlying inflammatory state of the body) and most seem to be older (with other underlying health issues).

    People STILL IMO need to look at how we MUST respond ourselves to the whole ENCHILADA, government control, viral illness and our approach to "health" offerings in general. This nurse has sensible comments here:

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