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    So much hurt and kind people and I wish we could support the people and the animals but destroy the government. Unfortuantely the thing we cannot get around is that the government is able to be what it is be cause enough people agree to enforce the rule.

    The unsung hero saving thousands of Wuhan's pets
    By Nicola Smith and Yiyin Zhong
    February 9, 2020 — 12.14pm


    Beijing: Lao Mao - known to his friends as Old Cat - has emerged as an unlikely hero of the public health emergency in Wuhan, the Chinese city that is the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak.

    The 43-year-old has braved rusty pipes and broken windows to gain access to people's homes, all in a good cause. Lao Mao and his six-strong animal rescue squad have saved at least 2000 household pets from starvation after their quarantined owners were unable to return to them.


    A cat in a Wuhan home after being saved by volunteers, who left food and water that can last a month.
    A cat in a Wuhan home after being saved by volunteers, who left food and water that can last a month. CREDIT:WUHAN PET LIFE ONLINE

    Lao Mao, a vet who runs the online pet community Wuhan Pet Life and whose real name is Shuai Lihua, believes some 20,000 animals were left at home without care when a tight quarantine was suddenly imposed on the city of 11 million on January 23.

    Many owners, who had already travelled outside Wuhan for the Lunar New Year, were caught on the back foot with no way to return to care for their animals because of extensive travel curbs.

    Lao Mao, who owns a pet hospital and has been organising animal rescue for 13 years, stepped in to help after frantic calls and messages on social media. more here

    latest info breaking down a study on viral illness symptoms

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    Dr. Campbell is now saying this is a pandemic and that the Chinese have officially stated that it transmits by aerosol. Not good news at all.

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    Hello! This is my first post, and it's pretty lengthy, so I'm sorry. LOL

    I have been following nCoV since it started. I'm a frequent poster in /r/Coronavirus and /r/China_Flu on reddit. The situation is concerning, to say the least, because we (the people) are being kept in the dark, in order to prevent panic (I've written about this several times on reddit and can cite sources if anyone is interested). What I found today was more concerning, and came only a day after Tedros (WHO) said, 'we may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg.' Add to that his look of utter confusion during today's conference, when asked what they thought about the new case definition (asymptomatic exclusion from counts), was less than reassuring.

    (this is posted on reddit as well, fyi)


    (Fixed the 2018-1019 duplicate date, it now says 2019-2020 on the right)

    Someone asked a question recently that piqued my curiosity - something along the lines of whether or not there was pneumonia cases logged somewhere.

    I decided to search all pneumonia related illnesses/deaths via local news outlets across the country.

    I came across the FluView site with this tracker and made a time-lapse gif comparing last year and this year.

    I also logged a bunch of articles+quotes regarding an uptick in ILI cases this year compared to last year. It's long, so I apologize.

    I am purposefully not posting my opinion at this point, as to allow people to draw their own conclusions. It is simply information that I've gathered.

    Influenza-Like Illness 2019-2020
    (ILI - Influenza Like Illness) The simple definition of influenza-like illness from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is an illness with a fever of 100 degrees or higher, along with either a cough or a sore throat that is not due to any other known cause.

    https://www.uwhealth.org/health-well...-illness/51692



    Dr. Gerald Bechamps, Vice-President of Medical Affairs for War Memorial Hospital and Hampshire Memorial Hospital, said that they’d seen an increase of patient cases with flu-like symptoms in the emergency room.

    War Memorial Hospital had a 4.1% percentage of influenza-like illness reported January 11 and Hampshire County Hospital had a 5.3% rate, Bechamps said. The whole nation was double or more than the 2.4% baseline measure. Influenza-like illness is defined as a fever of 100 degrees or more, cough and/or sore throat.

    https://www.morganmessenger.com/2020...ntion-vaccine/

    https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2019/12...tionwide-2019/



    Influenza-like illnesses continue widespread in most areas of the United States.

    The percentage of deaths from pneumonia and influenza-like illnesses is considered epidemic across the country, according to the latest statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    For the week ending Jan. 27, 4.71 percent of outpatient visits to reporting providers were for influenza-like illnesses. This percentage is above the national baseline of 2.2 percent, and all 10 regions of the country reported percentages above their specific regional baselines. The percentage of regional visits ranged from 2.8 to 13.0 percent.

    https://www.masslive.com/news/2018/0..._epidemic.html



    State by State Articles

    ARKANSAS
    January 23, 2002
    “Widespread” activity in the state was also reported by ADH to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in week three, noting the highest level influenza-like illness intensity of 10 out of 10.
    https://www.swtimes.com/news/2020012...ad-in-arkansas



    CALIFORNIA
    January 8, 2002
    For the week ending Jan. 4, 2020, the report shows the following:
    Emergency department visits for influenza-like illness: 9% of all visits (compared to 8% the previous week)
    https://www.countynewscenter.com/ele...ases-reported/



    INDIANA
    January 3, 2020
    As flu activity continues to rise across the nation, local health officials report emergency room visits for influenza-like illness in Marion County have reached the highest point in the past decade.

    In Marion County, the chief complaint of 6.16% of all emergency department visits in the week ending Dec. 28 was symptoms of a flu-like illness. The previous high over the past decade since the 2009 H1N1 epidemic had been 5.34% during the 2017-2018 flu season.
    https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...gh/2807066001/



    MASSACHUSETTS
    January 10, 2020
    The 2019-2020 influenza season in the Bay State was upgraded from low to moderate severity by the state Department of Public Health, with officials warning in their weekly flu report that flu-like illness activity increased from moderate to high, as of Jan. 3.
    https://www.boston.com/news/health/2...ason-2019-2020

    (The percentage of influenza-like illness visits for Massachusetts is higher than the previous two years in the same week.)
    https://www.mass.gov/doc/weekly-flu-...-2020/download



    MICHIGAN
    February 1, 2020
    War Memorial Hospital’s emergency room has seen an increase of patient cases with flu and flu-like illness symptoms, said Chris Parsons, Emergency Department Director.
    https://www.morganmessenger.com/2020...flu-hits-area/



    MINNESOTA
    December 18, 2019
    Influenza-like illnesses reported in Minnesota schools in mid-December have surpassed the four previous flu seasons for the same week, data from the Minnesota Department of Health shows.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...r-in-minnesota
    (I removed this as a link since it's usually blacklisted, but I did find a backup from the state of MN).
    https://www.health.state.mn.us/disea...hltccounty.pdf



    OHIO
    January 10, 2020
    All areas of the Mountain State are seeing elevated rates of health care visits for influenza-like illnesses, he added.
    https://www.weirtondailytimes.com/ne...ty-widespread/



    NEW MEXICO
    Dec. 23, 2019
    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported it is seeing "elevated levels of flu-like illness" across the country — with infection rates in New Mexico even higher than the nation's average. The Health Department has documented three flu deaths and 27 pneumonia deaths in three counties this season: Bernalillo, Rio Arriba and Santa Fe. The people who died were between 52 and 100 years old.
    https://www.lcsun-news.com/story/new...on/2734034001/



    NEVADA
    December 23, 2019
    So far Washoe County has had a less severe flu season than last year with only one flu related death.

    However, recently Washoe County reported a total of 243 patients with an influenza-like-illness for the week ending December 22.
    https://mynews4.com/news/local/washo...lu-update-2019



    PENNSYLVANIA
    January 8, 2020
    The Pennsylvania State Department says it’s officially a state epidemic, with the percent of outpatients with influenza-like illness exceeding the threshold.
    https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...d-2020-season/



    TENNESSEE
    January 7, 2020
    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there was a high activity level for Influenza-like illness in Tennessee during the last full week of 2019.
    https://www.wbir.com/article/news/he...e-7b3b7d8f8b8e

    “We are seeing an increase in influenza-like illness here in Jackson-Madison County, and we’ve seen that going up in the past few weeks,” said Mallory Cooke, spokesperson with the Jackson-Madison County Regional Health Department.
    https://www.wbbjtv.com/2020/01/06/te...9-2020-season/



    TEXAS
    December 18, 2019
    The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report the flu is widespread in Texas. Texas Department of State Health Services data show 6.35% of people who visited doctors’ offices in the state during the first week of December had flu-like symptoms. At this time last year, it was 4.15%.
    https://www.statesman.com/news/20191218/6-child-flu-deaths-reported-in-texas-as-season-starts-early




    UTAH
    December 30, 2019
    Utah County’s influenza-like illness activity rate has reached “high” levels, according to a report from the Utah Department of Health.
    https://www.heraldextra.com/news/loc...e86ffc1f9.html



    VIRGINIA
    December 19, 2020
    Also according to the report, the number of patients seen for “influenza-like illness” was highest in Hampton Roads compared to any other region in the state during the week of Dec. 7 — a trend previously seen later in the season, Colon said.
    https://wydaily.com/local-news/2019/...e-asking-this/
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Today's update from Chris Martenson:


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    These numbers are very interesting, from https://worldometers.info/coronavirus.



    I wonder if Chris Martenson is up to date with this. (I just emailed him, to be sure he's aware.)

    The significance here is that of cases which have reached an outcome (i.e. either recovered or died), 20% have died.

    Arguably, it's too early to conclude too much from this, as many times more than that are in 'mid-condition'. But of ALL those who have not yet 'reached an outcome', those who are 'serious or critical' are also nearly 20% (19%, in fact).

    That's a soberingly similar proportion. Even if half of those who are 'serious or critical' end up as fatalities, which seems not at all impossible, then that CFR (Case Fatality Rate) is 10%.

    It has to be possible that there are many who've been infected but not in the numbers at all, either because they're mild cases, or they've never been tested. (But many who have died were never tested, either.)

    It's all a forest of confusion. But what this strongly seems to suggest is that the CFR of this thing is a LOT higher than 1 or 2%.
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    This is an excellent video which came out several hours ago

    Coronavirus A Massive Psychological Warfare Operation

    And here is a comment to that video:
    Quote John K 2 hours ago (edited)
    The 5G system is a WiGig wireless network that operates in the 60GHz spectrum with a download speeds of up to 10 Gbps compared to the 4G download speed of 10 Mbps.

    However, the frequency of 60 GHz is the frequency at which oxygen molecules oscillate. At 60 GHz, 98% of the transmitted 5G energy will be absorbed by atmospheric oxygen which then alters the orbital properties of the electrons of the oxygen molecules. '"60GHz is the frequency of oxygen molecule absorption. Oxygen molecules have electrons that they share with each other, oxygen is a diatomic molecule. What we breathe are two oxygen molecules bonded together with the electrons that they share.” When the oxygen molecule is hit with 60GHz 5G waves, these waves affect the orbital resonance properties of those shared electrons. It is those shared electrons that bind to the hemoglobin in our blood.' When the oxygen is disrupted, it will no longer bind to the hemoglobin and myoglobin (oxygen carrying molecules) and therefore will not be able to carry oxygen to the cell's powerhouse 'mitochondria'. Without oxygen, the liver becomes congested and the body, and brain, begins to break down due to slow suffocation.

    Because the brain is the body organ most sensitive to the lack of oxygen, not getting enough oxygen to the brain will result in brain hypoxia. Brain hypoxia symptoms range from mild to severe.

    Mild symptoms include:
    cognitive disturbances
    temporary memory loss
    reduced ability to move your body
    difficulty paying attention
    difficulty making sound decisions

    Severe symptoms include:
    fainting
    seizure
    coma
    brain death

    Note: What do 5G and masks have in common, they both lead to oxygen deprivation!
    The masks play another role in restricting your breathing ability. You can't pull normal amount of air to fill your entire lungs. So you end up getting less oxygen because you're getting less air.

    Note: The spectrum for 4G starts from 700 MHz to 5 GHz frequency bands. "Compared to the frequencies below 5 GHz previously used by mobile devices, millimeter wave technology allows transmission on frequencies between 30 GHz and 300 GHz. These frequencies are called millimeter waves because they have wavelengths between 1 mm and 10 mm, while the wavelengths of the radio waves currently used by smartphones are mostly several dozen centimeters."

    Note: Health Effects of cumulative low intensity Radio Frequency radiation exposure include:
    DNA mutations
    Mitochondrial damage
    Tumors, cancer (children’s skulls receive more radiation)
    Heart palpitations
    Memory and cognitive problems
    Sperm changes and infertility
    Headaches, migraines, ringing of ears
    ADHD
    Anxiety
    Depression
    Heart Disease
    Type-2 Diabetes
    Radiofrequency/microwave (RF/MW) radiation affect the Schumann Resonance signals which are the mechanism through which melatonin production is activated.

    Note: The frequencies also affect the bodies ability to produce Vitamin D (Vitamin D deficiency causes cold and flu due to the weakening of the immune system. This is the reason why people are prone to cold and flu in the winter season).

    Note: The electromagnetic radiation in the microwave frequency range 'are absorbed by water, fats, sugars, and certain other molecules, whose consequent vibrations produce *heat*.' Similar to microwave ovens which generate radiation at a frequency of about 2.45GHz (the microwave energy is converted to thermal energy by causing water molecules to flip back and forth some 2.45 billion times a second...The 60 GHz used by the 5G system causes water molecules to flip back and forth 60 billion times a second!!!)

    Note: Main symptoms of Coronavirus: Shortness of breath, Coughing, Fever. They have also shown how people suddenly fall down with seizures which are the same symptoms caused by severe brain hypoxia.

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    I'm transcribing the video but it's now after 2am so it's not going to be completed tonight.
    Not quite halfway through yet

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    Quote Posted by King Arthur (here)
    This is an excellent video which came out several hours ago
    I listened for 8 minutes to the uninformed blockhead who made this 'excellent' video, and then just couldn't take any more.

    And please understand: while 5G may well play a role in weakening immune systems, people can't infect others with sicknesses caused by 5G exposure (or any other kind of radiation).

    Quote Posted by King Arthur (here)
    I'm transcribing the video but it's now after 2am so it's not going to be completed tonight.
    Seriously, I mean you no disrespect: but it's really not worth your time and trouble. We already know we can't trust governmental institutions or the media. But the virus is very real.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by King Arthur (here)
    This is an excellent video which came out several hours ago
    I listened for 8 minutes to the uninformed blockhead who made this 'excellent' video, and then just couldn't take any more.

    And please understand: while 5G may well play a role in weakening immune systems, people can't infect others with sicknesses caused by 5G (or any other kind of radiation) exposure.
    That's OK, Bill
    I've saved my partial transcript at https://pastebin.com/sEqB69kY in case you might have any inclination to see more.
    I'm going to bed now

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    Quote Posted by ne0ndistraction (here)
    Hello! This is my first post, and it's pretty lengthy, so I'm sorry. LOL

    I have been following nCoV since it started. I'm a frequent poster in /r/Coronavirus and /r/China_Flu on reddit. The situation is concerning, to say the least, because we (the people) are being kept in the dark, in order to prevent panic (I've written about this several times on reddit and can cite sources if anyone is interested). What I found today was more concerning, and came only a day after Tedros (WHO) said, 'we may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg.' Add to that his look of utter confusion during today's conference, when asked what they thought about the new case definition (asymptomatic exclusion from counts), was less than reassuring.
    Welcome to Avalon and thanks for your posts here and elsewhere. I looked at that video with the WHO and was appalled because I saw that info on Twitter before I saw it posted here this AM. They should have known before anyone else. IMO they should have been in touch with their good friends over there in China and having input because the definition change makes wonky sense if the goal is stopping the transmission.

    I have also been wondering about how we will be able to distinguish this virus from flu if it enters the US population (without widespread testing)? Is it already here?Can an epidemic spread while everyone is thinking it is just a bad flu season (serious but a known quantity)? I think yes. I have read anecdotes that say one must meet strict criteria to even be tested?

    I am gathering more questions.

    Is a mask any good at all for such small micron sizes as the virus?
    When will we see tests that screen wide segments of the population quickly?
    Is the viral spread in the Chinese Hospital and on the cruise ship showing nosocomial infection will be a major issue in hospitals?

    I was at a meeting today and because of the high number of call ins at work, we are going to need to show a doctors excuse. That kind of made me wonder about all kinds of work policies that will aid the spread of virus infections.

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    Medical advice is above my pay grade.
    But I found this information that may be helpful.


    Glutathione Against the Coronavirus



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    I am still unsure as to the pandemic status and I do know Jon Rappoport has a good track record. I have watched numerous videos that horrify me about what chinese people are doing to others. An excuse to implement an agenda ? An opportunity to cull dissidents and gather protesters and eliminate opposition is possible. Yes, it could be a false flag? I guess we will know in time if many in the West become ill. OR NOT? All of this makes me feel so wistful for the world I know is possible,

    Quote China “epidemic” cases with no coronavirus—what??
    by Jon Rappoport February 10, 2020


    During 30 years of investigating "epidemics," I've looked for causes that have nothing to do with the latest and greatest virus.

    In other words, what else could be causing the symptoms of the illness?

    In the current "coronavirus epidemic," the one condition that has been emphasized is: pneumonia.

    Standard medical texts will tell you that viruses, bacteria, and fungi can cause pneumonia. Add to that, heavily polluted toxic air (as in Wuhan and other Chinese cities). Add in extreme malnutrition. YOU DON'T NEED A CORONAVIRUS TO EXPLAIN CASES OF PNEUMONIA IN CHINA.

    All right. So how many deaths from pneumonia occurred in China well before the "appearance of the coronavirus?"

    Estimates vary. Here is one, based on an analysis of studies: 2.8 million to 17 million deaths per year. Source: "Pneumonia Incidence and Mortality in Mainland China: Systematic Review of Chinese and English Literature, 1985-2008" (PLoS one, 2010).

    Notice the dates---1985-2008, long before the supposed coronavirus showed up. Before 5G technology, before a biowar research lab ramped up in Wuhan.

    2.8 million to 17 million deaths. No need for a mysterious virus.

    The wide variance in these death numbers is the result of trying to integrate Chinese language and English language studies, the huge expanse of territory in China, the huge population, and possible attempts, within China, to conceal true statistics.

    What does all this tell us? It tells us that now, there is a gigantic pool of people with pneumonia, in China, who can be falsely labeled "deaths from the coronavirus."

    And that's not all. There are other categories of illness that can be merged with pneumonia, in the rush to diagnose people with the coronavirus. I'm talking about "lower lung infections" and "influenza." The mortality numbers leap even higher.

    You might rightly ask, "So why hasn't pneumonia, all by itself, been labeled an epidemic in China in past years? Why hasn't the World Health Organization, at the very least, declared a state of emergency for China based on pneumonia?"

    You can bet your bottom dollar that, if the "coronavirus epidemic" was said to reach 2 million deaths in China, the entire planet would be locked down tight, and no one anywhere would leave home. Both atheists and end-times prophets would be shouting that the extinction of all human life was upon us. Persons in high places would be meeting and saying the only solution was to nuke Earth and start over.

    Let's consider, for a moment, how easy it would be to label pneumonia outside China with the coronavirus tag. As in, "the virus is spreading everywhere." Here is a quote: "[Globally] About 200 million cases of viral community-acquired pneumonia occur every year---100 million in children and 100 million in adults." Lancet, volume 377, ISSUE 9773, P1264-1275, April 09, 2011.

    But wait, you say. Pneumonia is only called "coronavirus" if the patient is tested and the virus is discovered. Otherwise, it's just ordinary pneumonia. ---Sorry, it's not that simple.

    First of all, in the pressure of an announced epidemic, all sorts of people who have elevated temperature and general flu-like symptoms will be called coronavirus cases. Metrics people will use computer models to estimate numbers of cases. And even when the most widely used diagnostic tests are done---those tests have serious flaws.

    An antibody test, at best, only indicates the patient has come in contact with the virus. It says nothing about whether he is going to become ill. In fact, before 1984, a positive-reading antibody test was generally taken to mean the patient was in good shape. His immune system had defeated the germ in question. But then, after 1984, the science was turned on its head---and a positive test was falsely taken to mean the patient was ill or would soon become ill.

    The so-called PCR test (which has many procedural problems and requires expert technicians who will not make mistakes) takes a tiny, tiny sample of what might be a virus from a patient, and blows it up many, many times so it can be observed. However, in order for this virus to actually cause illness, millions and millions of virus particles must be present in the patient's body. The PCR test says nothing reliable about quantity of virus in a person.

    Therefore, even when these tests are done on suspected cases of the coronavirus, they do not result in accurate knowledge about illness and disease.

    If you're beginning to think it's easy to declare an epidemic and broadcast propaganda about it, you're right. Take a conventional set of symptoms present in people all over the world, claim a new virus is causing them, and you're off and running. You can report 500 or 1000 deaths from this virus and people will believe whatever you say or do next. They won't realize that this set of symptoms has been present in millions and millions of people, for decades or centuries, without the new virus. They won't realize millions of people have already died without the "new virus."

    Global epidemics solely based on germ-pronouncements, without environmental investigations (contaminated water supplies, open sewage, hunger, starvation, poverty, toxic chemicals, etc.), are industries. They're business ventures. They're operations launched to control populations and force them to take vaccines. They're launched and sustained by professional liars, who've refined the old skills of snake oil salesmen through the use of "science," in order to hypnotize the unwary. And when the vaccine of the moment---as in the Swine Flu epidemic duds of 1976 and 2009---turns out to be quite damaging, the snake oil pros say, "Well, every vaccine can cause rare problems, but all in all, they curb pandemics. We must inject them."

    If you automatically buy that one, you believe pigs can jump over the moon on the backs of cows.

    Highly educated people do tend to believe pigs can jump over the moon, when it comes to so-called epidemics. They think, "I admire complex issues. Epidemics and viruses are very complex, and only the well-trained and sophisticated professionals can assess them. Therefore, these pros know what they're doing. I reject THE SIMPLE."

    But THE SIMPLE is what these people need to know about. Otherwise, it's still pigs, the moon, cows, and jumping.

    "But...but...but this situation in China is NEW and UNPRECEDENTED, as of 2019. It's never happened before. And the lockdowns and the quarantines...So there must be a new explanation, the coronavirus."

    If necessary, read this article again. The pneumonia-situation is not new. And the lockdowns and quarantines were theatrically laid on AFTER the blaring trumpet announcements of the "epidemic."

    It's still over the moon.

    Addendum: If, as some are claiming, the number of people dying in Wuhan, or other Chinese cities, is suddenly escalating at a furious pace---if this is really true---then look to the environment first: the production of far more polluted air, or the presence of a poisonous chemical.

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    I’d really love to believe jon’s take, because it would really give me reassurance that such a plague would not envelope my country and my family, however, why are some seizing up and dying on the spot and others without masks are perfectly ok? And how about the original doctor who reported on this and later died? Why are they spraying the streets with claimed disinfectants? The critical pneumonic cases in other countries are also on the rise...

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    IFirst of all, in the pressure of an announced epidemic, all sorts of people who have elevated temperature and general flu-like symptoms will be called coronavirus cases.
    I suspect it may be exactly the other way round: those with elevated temperature and general flu-like symptoms are often being labeled as having flu or pneumonia — at least in China — and are not being tested if kits (of any kind) are unavailable.

    It seems to be there's no reason why the Chinese would be crashing their own very valuable economy unless the authorities totally knew there was a serious problem. Many have pointed out that if there's one thing the Chinese regime really does care about, it's money.

    As I wrote earlier in response to one of Jon's pieces, I have an immense respect for him: but I do think he has this all very wrong.

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote Posted by ne0ndistraction (here)
    Hello! This is my first post, and it's pretty lengthy, so I'm sorry. LOL

    [...]

    Add to that his look of utter confusion during today's conference, when asked what they thought about the new case definition (asymptomatic exclusion from counts), was less than reassuring.
    Welcome to Avalon and thanks for your posts here and elsewhere. I looked at that video with the WHO and was appalled because I saw that info on Twitter before I saw it posted here this AM. They should have known before anyone else. IMO they should have been in touch with their good friends over there in China and having input because the definition change makes wonky sense if the goal is stopping the transmission.
    Not so fast. What if the "new case definition (asymptomatic exclusion from counts)" is caused by a mistranslation? Everybody seems to assume that the news report about the changed case definition is correct -- including me. Many people have accused China of cheating and manipulating the numbers. But there is an information war besides a dangerous epidemic, therefore The utter confusion at the WHO makes me cautious.

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    Quote Posted by ne0ndistraction (here)
    Hello! This is my first post, and it's pretty lengthy, so I'm sorry. LOL

    I have been following nCoV since it started. I'm a frequent poster in /r/Coronavirus and /r/China_Flu on reddit. The situation is concerning, to say the least, because we (the people) are being kept in the dark, in order to prevent panic (I've written about this several times on reddit and can cite sources if anyone is interested). What I found today was more concerning, and came only a day after Tedros (WHO) said, 'we may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg.' Add to that his look of utter confusion during today's conference, when asked what they thought about the new case definition (asymptomatic exclusion from counts), was less than reassuring.
    From one newbie to another: welcome!

    I've watched the flu, too. It started off strong and didn't let up. Basically, it just kept going until the entire US was blanketed in widespread influenza. Currently, CDC shows 48 out of 50 states with widespread flu cases. Oregon and Hawaii(!) have regional cases. D.C. has localized.

    Here in Georgia, we've had at least 2 school districts shut down schools because of illness. That was before the holiday break, which is before "peak" flu season.

    So yeah, the flu really is bad this year!

    What I found interesting in the 330 cases CDC has tested for ncov, only 12 have shown positive. The remaining 318 were negative! 68 cases are still pending, but apparently one more has been shown as positive but the CDC only updates once per day.

    Going by anecdotal reports, unless you're showing symptoms, the CDC isn't testing. So if true, that means that those 318 people were sick with something else.

    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    I am still unsure as to the pandemic status and I do know Jon Rappoport has a good track record. I have watched numerous videos that horrify me about what chinese people are doing to others. An excuse to implement an agenda ? An opportunity to cull dissidents and gather protesters and eliminate opposition is possible. Yes, it could be a false flag? I guess we will know in time if many in the West become ill. OR NOT? All of this makes me feel so wistful for the world I know is possible,
    Quote Posted by spade (here)
    I’d really love to believe jon’s take, because it would really give me reassurance that such a plague would not envelope my country and my family, however, why are some seizing up and dying on the spot and others without masks are perfectly ok? And how about the original doctor who reported on this and later died? Why are they spraying the streets with claimed disinfectants? The critical pneumonic cases in other countries are also on the rise...
    I agree with Spade: something is going on. Their response indicates they are dealing with something highly contagious, so I don't agree with Jon's opinion that it's pollution or contamination that's causing this. If it was localized to just the Hubai province, maybe, but it's spread all over China and they've locked down how many cities and how many millions of people now?

    I'm still trying to figure out why the US is not showing the rise in cases like I would expect at this point. Quite a few countries surrounding China are seeing a rise in cases, as expected. (I feel sorry for those people on that cruise ship! It's like sitting in a petri dish!) Outside of Asia, the UK is the only one that's had a significant rise in cases, and that could just be a blip.

    I'm seriously considering that this virus is targeting Asians. Maybe because of genetics. Maybe other factors are causing them to be susceptible, like the things Jon Rappoport is talking about. All those things he talks about could easily make one more susceptible to a virus and contribute to the outbreak without actually causing it.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    As I wrote earlier in response to one of Jon's pieces, I have an immense respect for him: but I do think he has this all very wrong.
    I tend to agree with that. Rappoport over the years has brilliantly taken down the lies of the vaccination industry. It can happen with great man, philosophers or scientists alike, that a new element enters the equation that changes the whole situation, and they refuse to see it. That new element here are the indications that there was tampering with a virus with strong suspicion that it is a bio-weapon. Nothing new you may say? But many here know we are in an evolutionary step towards the truth of our existence, and it is not surprising that so much evil comes to the surface for the many to be seen ( not for the few informed ). As we lost our pristine spiritual state gradually and since eons ago, we have a new chance to not make the same mistakes and to learn.

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    4 Best UV Light Sanitizers for Chemical Free Cleaning

    High UV destroys probably all viruses and bacteria that is most of them in natural environments but would be all under the correct frequency.

    I don’t know much about breeding reptiles but people who do I’ve heard use UV lamps to disinfect terrariums too, since they harbour humidity and exactly because of risk from viral infections and the rest.

    Wonder the know-how and use of home/room UV lamps for disinfection was suppressed under the “safety risk” injunction but they seem to be available again
    and cost of the lamp or its operation is not that huge.

    It can be even shared among households since individual home would probably need it just for a day in a month to disinfect 12 rooms.

    It works best as preventative measure and is very efficient especially in cold winter months with little sunlight but it can be used even while someone are already infected. While the UV light can’t “magically” stop the already started process it can kill large viral colonies together and prevent them from spreading further.
    ( unlike some kids imagine viruses and bacteria have mostly very little power when in small numbers, alone and isolated:they instead spread in colonies ..)
    It can kill even the most virulent strands that would infect other family members and reduce symptoms faster.

    Of course they use UV light in some hospitals to sterilise instruments and rooms but thorough application of the UV light spectrum to disinfect and decontaminate humans is probably, still, in research at the moment.

    Not sure if UV lamps are available in China or what capacity


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    The UV lamps used with reptiles is mainly to help them produce natural Vitamins D in their skins so they don't get osteomalacia. Reptiles need the sun just as much as we do...

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